#i could see stranger for the lol machine herald as well

[danidoesathing]

I like to differentiate the Arcane versions of Jayce and Viktor from their League Counterparts by what TMA Entity they'd be an Avatar of. Like, Talis and Giopara wouldn't be Avatars of the same Entity, nor would Arcane Viktor and the Machine Herald.

Jayce Talis is a Buried Avatar. Not only is he literally buried in a cave for six months, but he's also buried by all of his regrets, Responsibilities, and the Expectations people have of him. Arcane Viktor is Flesh. He could easily be Stranger as well, and an argument could be made for Extinction or End, but I'd argue he'd be a Flesh Avatar specifically due to his self-loathing over his failing body, and the nature of his transformations-both his own, and those of his followers. (The Arcane's almost organic aesthetic ties into this very easily.) You could easily argue Web for both of them, but I think Buried and Flesh relate more strongly to both their arcs and their characterizations.

Jayce Giopara, meanwhile, is a Lonely Avatar. He has few friends and isn't happy with constantly being treated as the hero, despite his ego-yet he pushes everyone away with his personality and attitude. He helped exile away the one person he felt a genuine connection to, and despite everything that happened between them, he still yearns for that friendship despite them being opposed on an idealogical level. (This one is... Pretty self-explanatory, actually.) The Machine Herald is the most Extinction Avatar to ever Extinction Avatar, and I will hear no arguments otherwise.

(Extinction is also called Terrible Change, its fears often center around technology, robots, and transhumanism, a major component of Extinction is humanity either being replaced or changing to become Something Else, it has a heavy association with pollution and industry... Yeah, no, League Viktor's 4000 percent an Extinction Avatar.)

ooooh Buried and Lonely for those two are spot on. Talis spends most of s1 under this immense pressure, the burden of being the face of hextech, being half-pushed into a position of a councilor and taking on the weight of the city. and then in s2 he literally falls into a dirt pit and comes out a different person. Giopara with him constantly lashing out and driving people away. his own fame just being a reminder of how isolated he actually is. the one person he ever felt a genuine connection with he literally exiled from the city but he still keeps chasing it down just to feel something. oof

HOWEVER i will argue on Arcane Viktor's fear. like yes Flesh is good with the body horror and self loathing and all, and yeah he could fit like five separate fears (Web, Spiral, Corruption, etc) but that man is PEAK Extinction. The moment he comes back to life it's like. game over for that timeline. the only reason the world didn't end this time around is because Mage Viktor dropped the right rune that led to Ekko's last minute nuke-a-herald and buying time for Jayce to win with the power of love. his touch literally mutates everything he comes to contact with. machine herald has only ended one timeline as far as we're aware, but the arcane herald has ends literally every single timeline he's existed in EXCEPT for one. he's very extinction.

(one could also argue that the Extinction extends to Talis as well due to his necessary part in causing the apocalypse, but thats kind of a technicality and he's more Buried so)

[birgosaurus]

i keep having season 2 jayvik animatic ideas that i have ZERO TIME FOR

justice for saint mary by diablo swing orchestra .. literally just viktor’s villian arc in a song . .. but also …. it’s rlly long and hard to cut down

on the one hand i could animate the… “hear, the sound of violence, it’s a beat that makes us dance” part because i had an idea for a jayvik divorce era waltz scene… and fighting lmao. smth like that, i haven’t got anything concrete. a sort of metaphor, partially coinciding with how it’s used in the song; an old song, an old dance — intimate, something they know well by now — but also something that is fated to end horribly. machine herald vik, through their waltz, dipping jayce toward the end, his face totally unreadable behind his mask; “we shall repent what we’ve done in time.” Eurgrr frr he

god rhat small part would be so cool but like .. THE WHOLE SONg FITS. AND WORKS.

THE LAST 4 MINUTES WOULD WORK SO WELL FOR A PROPER FIGHT SCENE. having the juxtaposition of the calmer parts, “will i wait in your honour? save what’s left if it in vain? when it’s there for all to see?”..etc. and then the contrast of the rampant and relentlessly FURIOUS instrumental that ends the song. GOD.

viktor’s even heavily associated with violin in the arcane score , and jayce definitely gives a brass vibe; the brass and strings over the course of the song combat with each other to take the melody, mainly dominated by the strings — calculated, dignified, and withholding an underlying anger that‘s progressively integrated into a VIOLENT cacophony of combatting instruments and mechanical percussion — COME ON IT’S SO PERFECT FOR THE MACHINE HERALD AND LoL JAYCE

that or headlock by imogen heap …

“wear a different pair, just something out of step, throw a stranger and unexpected smile..” act 1 vik and jayce, their partnership, what they built together; then cutting to the chorus, post season 1

“you say too late to start, got your heart in a headlock.

i don’t believe any of it.”

…….. Man i Dude i i’m i i that song makes me feel so many thignns

even war! by zac callison i’ve had small ideas i have… thoughts… on s2…. that im yet to finish writing into a proper theory but. JAYCE. S2. declaring war on zaun. viktor and jayce inevitably just fjjejdjdjcjdjdjdjdjejdjdjkdkxkd

I WANT TO MAKE ALL OF THEM

BUT I CAN’T ANIMATE ALL THIS AANNDD WRITE THAT WHOLE ASS FIC IVE BEEN PLANNING, MY GOD