#i am NOT normal about them

[epicthemusicalstuff]

I’ve known that it’s insane that we keep getting saga after saga in such a short period of time, but I was listening through epic (again, as one does) and it struck me that I am still not normal about any of the sagas, particularly the underworld and thunder sagas still- and now we have only two to go?!?

[morganmnemonic]

I can't stop thinking about the relationship between Jon and Helen as perhaps one of the most important ones in the entire show. They are narrative parallels for each other, and they both know it. They've both known it from the very start!

Helen walks into the Archives, paranoid, unsure of who to trust, and Jon sees himself in her. And he thinks "If i can help her, maybe there's hope for me too." Then he can't save her. The next time they meet, she's a monster. They're both monsters. There was never any other way their stories could have gone, their fates entwined from the very start.

And Helen answers his original thought with one of her own: "Maybe if we can help each other, there's hope for us both." But Jon looks at her and sees everything that he fears becoming, and so he turns her away, and refuses to accept that their stories are still one and the same.

Helen went to the last person who was ever kind to her, the only person who both knew her as a human and had the context to understand what she'd become, and he hated her. He hated her because he liked Helen, and told her that she couldn't be Helen.

So she stopped trying to be Helen, and embraced being a monster. Reveled in it even. Then Jon wakes up from a six month coma, more monster than person, and tries so hard to cling to the things that mattered to him when he was human. Even with no support, even with the entire archives staff against him, he chooses humanity and compassion over and over again.

And this is a direct threat to Helen's world view. Their stories are entwined. If Jon can continue to be a person even after everything he's been through, then she could have clung to her humanity too, if only she'd tried a little harder. And that terrifies her! She wants to conceptualize herself as someone who was completely overwhelmed by forces beyond her control, who never had a choice but to become a monster. She want's to be an innocent victim. But Jon argues with his actions that they'd both had choices.

And, Jon, in turn, holds out hope that she might make better choices until the very end.

This is the conflict between them for all of season 4 and 5. Jon wants to prove that they can both be decent people, and Helen wants to prove that they were never going to be anything but monsters. This is why she's so devoted to trying to goad Jon into enjoying his newfound godhood. She knows that they are the same, and wants that to mean that he has a spark of evil inside of him, and not that she was always capable of doing good.

When Jon kills her, she loses her life, but wins the argument. Helen is nothing but a dangerous monster who needs to be killed for the good of everyone, and in the moment he decides that, Jon dooms himself to the same fate. Their stories are one and the same. "If i can help her, maybe there's hope for me too." he thought. But he couldn't help her, refused to, even, in the one moment when it actually mattered. And thus, there was never hope for him.

[sneakertin]

doctor who(2023)/much ado about nothing(2011)

[zoluulife]

Is this or is this not fucking wedding vows?? Like hello ..?!?

[duskiily]

actually very sane and normal about them

[pipsaura]

a collection of rinkitay’s love language being physical touch because platonic intimacy is so special to me

[arkos404]

how to hold your scarab

[bronzeys]

oh. my. god.

pic: henr1ette.prv on tiktok

[piowasthere]

Tease

oh hey look it's those 2 fish i am not normal about wowzers

[ohprcr]

my wayward lamb, my guiding light

[the-cactus-taco]

I am completely normal about them

[lilianade-comics]

Ghost fire + spectral ice

[zoluulife]

“You think we’re soulmates in every univer-“

“YOU THINK WERE SOULMATES!!”

Type of couple

[awkwardtuatara]

You know how the sound creature in Scherzo wants the Doctor and Charley to sacrifice themselves for it because that's the only concept of love it's ever had? And the reason for that is because it's only ever heard Charley and the Doctor talk about love - it was literally born from their resentment, their love, every single sound they made? And from their words it learned emotion and desire, and the Doctor's first sacrifice of sound put reason to that emotion far, far too quickly; it learned from "Of course I loved you, I killed myself for you!" but it didn't understand what that meant. (I mean, did the Doctor?) Charley and the Doctor idolize the idea of one another, and Scherzo is the point where that falls apart, where they have to face the aftermath of the grand gestures they made in Neverland and Zagreus and they realize that their broken reality and broken selves aren't quite what they thought. The sound creature's concept of love is based entirely around self-sacrifice for some grander idea because that's how Charley wants it to be, that's the only way the Doctor understands it. And it learned from them far too well, even as its accelerated maturity meant it didn't understand anything.

[tropicalcleric]

scott: i'm a bisectional scott: bikesectional scott: bilateral ramona: it's okay, take your time scott: WALLACE

[damianbugs]

this could mean nothing but upon my reread of Superman: Last Son of Krypton i noticed how important physical contact, specifically hand holding, is to chris' character. one of the first major bonding moments between clark and chris is when clark tucks him into bed, and chris asks him not to leave.

there are key moments in the story when people make the realisation that this 'mysterious kryptonian' is also just a little boy, and i think this is it for clark. lois has a similar moment after the bus falls on chris and she sees him cry.

the next time they hold hands is when jor-el tells clark he has no recollection of the boy, meaning there's a good chance he can't have been from krypton — which should make him more suspicious. clark doesn't seem worried about it, if anything, he seems really sad that the boy, just like him, has landed on earth with no family.

then after lois and clark accept chris as their own and start to integrate chris kent into their lives, all three of them hold hands when entering the daily planet.

now before this i just thought it was a really lovely and sweet way to show how affectionate the kents are, until this cover showed ursa and zod.

it might look like they're holding hands, but it's important to remember they never taught chris how to fly (most likely because they didn't care to, or they didn't want to give him the agency to then try and leave/disobey them). so they're just holding him up in the air. in the later story we see that they literally just drag him around by the hand since they don't expect him to fly with them (also to make sure he doesn't escape).

a great deal different to how clark and lois hold him.

then in the final moments we see clark save chris by grabbing hold of his hand.

i just think it says a lot about how we're supposed to see superman in this situation, especially after the previous moments with zod and chris. obviously in this situation clark would have grabbed whatever part or chris he could to stop him from being sucked up by the portal, but something about it being the boy's hand seems important. especially since it gives way to the very last time they hold hands.

the first time chris held clarks hand, he reached out first and held on, not wanting the other to leave him. the last time, clark is the one desperately trying to hold onto chris as the boy leaves.

again, this could mean nothing. chris is their kid so of course clark and lois hold his hand as all parents do, but it just seems a little more deliberate in this case. to really highlight the life chris had, the one he could of have had, and the one he gave up for others.