#hw2 theory

[puhpandas]

after watching that theory video where Cassies dad as hw2 protag is talked about I'm hoping so hard for cassie hw2 protag like. with the unused vanny lines and hw2 and ruin being made together releasing back to back referencing eachother the narritave of introducing cassie and establishing her being left under the pizzaplex ties perfectly into hw2. shes still trapped underground with all the items she collected throughout ruin and a helpy screen and vanny originally spoke to her acting as being on her side and manipulating her into becoming the new vanny

not only is it perfect lore but it's also narratively satisfying. as a writer analyzing Cassies character shown in ruin genuinely is SO perfect for the elevator situation and vanny. like unbelievably perfect. cassies story is at its core about abandonment issues and friendship and both of those things would have been targeted if mimic cur the elevator.

it would be tricking cassie into thinking Gregory did it (cutting her off from her friendship and making her believe it was false, then serving the abandonment issues) and then taking advantage of her fragile state (probably mentally and physically) to offer her a new friend that wont leave her or abandon her: vanny

especially with prior knowledge of vanny where vanessa had to be mentally broken down and belittled for vanny to take over, it fits perfectly with that and literally couldnt have been designed better.

the dream is hw2s dlc actually using Vannys unused lines and fully jumping into that narritave of vanny!cassie, also revealing that Gregory didnt cut the elevator (self indulgent but also dream scenario is a black room void with Gregory and vanessa remodels showing Gregory's reaction to the elevator crash as an ending/secret) to really show everyone hey mimic and vanny did this and now theyre back in operations and its then set up that Gregory, who mimic and vanny have convinced cassie is the enemy, has to try and get through to her to tell her he didnt do it and attempt to strip down all of the manipulation and lies vanny and mimic have done to cassie

like this is just too perfect, and the way that they wrote it just feels too on purpose. like come on, "that mask suits you"??? and hw2 is a perfect place to show that story, since a story purely about manipulation having happened would be hard to make a campaign game out of lmao

I'm just. hoping for it so hard. I at least think that it feels leagues better than cassies dad dying as the whole plot. like what would he even do?? how would it progress the story?? I can't see any way it would, at least not at all in the way vanny!cassie would

not to mention the entire nature of princess quest 4. the princess aka the embodiment of vanessas trapped soul literally handed the player character the sword like passing down the torch, aka handing cassie the crown since shes now the trapped princess? makes literal perfect sense

I just cant see fnaf somehow making Cassies dad the princess lmao

also also, the candy cadet story about the woman and the young boy. it says the oven door closes at the end after the woman does NOT get revenge on the witch (vanessa killing vanny) and that probably means the oven door closes not on the woman and the boy but instead cassie. also makes narritave sense and the other story about the family and the meal also applies to this because of the "not doing something" theme

[catboygraystripe]

guys oh my god is the voltron freddy thing in hw2 trying to say all the missing children were combined into one (like sister location) how all the figurines of the animatronics that have dead kids inside them form the big voltron thing. ohh theorists please do something with this

[millenniumproductions]

Ever since I saw the "Carousel" level from the HW2 Demo Dawko played, I wondered why Steel Wool made MOONDROP of all the animatronics to be the threat. So... I've come up with a theory.

What if the Carousel was meant to be a part of the "Museum" attraction that Fazbear was going to do?

I mean, it has almost all of the past animatronics on it.

Did Moondrop become attached to it and didn't want to let anyone else on it?

Because if the level was anything to go by, maybe Moondrop had accidentally hurt one of the workers because he thought they were trying to break it instead of fixing it?

[achillean-knight]

Part 1 - Part 2 Here you go, the final part. This is for you, Anon's who requested the continuation of this JKHGDSHGS

[puhpandas]

some more evidence for gregory protag:

hes shown to control staff bots/hack them to see through them and talk through them in ruin with that rare voice line and... vanny mask ending shows us as a staff bot being glitchtrapped to give cassie the mask from its pov. meaning gregory could have been watching through its eyes

the player character in PQ4 standing at the arcade machine is blue

in PQ4 you can find a secret fnaf 1 bonnie mask with the caption 'this looks familiar'.... could mean dr rabbit

"what makes you so special" makes sense for staff bots. everybody is asking what makes this one staff bot so special. maybe its because Gregory is controlling it. hes the only one thats been shown to control a staff bot before

Sorry I'm not fact checking this and this isn't copium this is a genuine question but- what evidence is there against Gregory protag?

Just saying this cause like- the "what makes you so special" line would work really well with 'the wizards most favored apprentice', and getting the GGY achievement when getting the highscores, and also ig playing PQ4 since Gregory played the first three as well n all and the Princess trusted the protag with her sword really quickly, as if she knew them somehow and knew they were trustworthy.

[reluctanttrabbit]

something that still drives me insane since ruins anniversary is coming up

[balloonboyismyson]

OKAY OKAY OKAY I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT BEFORE, BUT I NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

Okay, so you know how in RUIN Cassie decommissions Roxy and then somehow Roxy comes back and saves her from the Mimic? Well, turns out that not only did Cassie not even come CLOSE to decommissioning Roxy, she also did not even hurt her!

How do we know this? Well, let us take a step back for a moment. When Cassie goes to the daycare and talks to Sun, he begs her to use her FazWrench to restart them and make he and Moon whole again.

On the back of their faceplate they have this socket that the FazWrench can plug into. It is located directly on their motherboard.

When she goes to do the same thing to Roxy, she plugs it into her eye instead.

When I first saw Roxy in RUIN, I was confused about her face. Clearly that is not what her endo looked like in Security Breach (shown below).

During this time, I had thought they just retconned her prior appearance. HOWEVER. After Help Wanted 2 was released, during Roxy's minigame she looks just like how she did in SB, albeit a bit more broken.

At the end of the Masked Minigame, she asks for the mask that is to your left. At this point, the mask is the only thing you can grab.

This mask is the one she is seen wearing in RUIN. It has been speculated that HW2 comes after Security Breach but before RUIN.

So, when Cassie uses the FazWrench to decommission Roxy, Cassie in actuality did literally nothing to her. The FazWrench went into her mask, but did not actually touch any part of Roxy's mechanics. It was a pure coincidence that Roxy malfunctioned at that moment. I mean, after everything she had been through AND that the poor bot had just gotten crushed, she probably needed a minute to turn off and on again.

[the-solar-system52]

I was listening to Sun's Help Wanted 2 voicelines again and noticed something interesting I wanna discuss (spoilers: Fazbear Entertainment is doing something shady again)

First, we need to clarify something. It pretty clear that our POV character in HW2 is an adult, and someone who works at Fazbear Entertainment. Once more, I think this minigame is supposed to be like a test simulation of how Sun would act around a child, which explains why we are a grown adult playing arts and crafts. And explains why there are no other children present. The player and Sun have to act out the situation of Arts and Crafts, as a test of some sorts, like employee training.

I think this is why Sun's personality is so inconsistent throughout the minigame. He will go from calling us his 'friend' to insulting us in a second. Sun isn't perfect, but I doubt this is how he would actually act around a child.

His personality is changing because some voicelines are him playing along with the role play, and pretending our POV character is a child. And the others are him going off-script and making jabs at Fazbear Entertainment by insulting us and our work.

This is also why he compliments our artwork and then proceeds to shred it. Because its not real, its just a role play, so there's no need to keep the artwork. I dont think he'd shred a real child's artwork. The player character probably isn't even offended by it.

No matter what DCA lore you believe, it always circles back to Sun being treated awfully by Fazbear Entertainment. Mainly, they refuse to properly fix the Moon problem and I think this explains some of Sun's weirdly out of character voicelines in this. His attitude probably stems from the fact our characters works for Fazbear Entertainment, and he has a huge grudge against the company and all who work there.

"Ha, I should turn off the lights myself."

"Do it again, and you're taking a nap."

Sun is absolutely terrified of the Moon and the dark. From all his other behaviours in other games, it doesn't make sense for him to joke about the lights going out and a child getting hurt. But if our POV character isn't a child, then it makes more sense. Since it's Fazbear Entertainment fault that Moon is so violent, he doesn't mind using some dark humour because he feels like the employee deserves it. Reaping what you sow, in a way. Sure our character is just an employee and doesn't make big decisions like that, but Sun doesn't know that and I don't really blame him for being distrusting to any adult human he meets.

A lot of people, mainly Moon fans, try to use that first line about the lights to reason that Sun isn't actually that scared of Moon. Because he can joke about it, which obviously means he would be willing to turn the lights off out of spite! And he isn't as afriad as we originally thought!

But if you listen past this line into other voicelines, you can see this obviously isn't true. At some point, Sun mentions that it will be naptime soon, and is obviously very scared. He pushes the player character to finish the art quicker and generally becomes more and more anxious and frustrated from that point onward. So it's clear he is still very afraid of Moon, and probably wouldn't be okay with our character getting murdered.

(Also, literally everything that happens in the hard mode of this level confirms this.)

Anyway, this is where it gets really interesting in context. Because when he mentions it's nearing naptime he says,

"Don't work in the dark, never work in the dark."

And then, after a second, adds

"You'll...hurt your eyes if you work in the dark."

This is obviously a cover-up as to the real reason you can't work in the dark, Moon. But it's not like this employee wouldn't already know about Moon.

(Probably my favourite peice of worldbuilding in SB is that Sun literally has a warning for Moon at the back of his head, so this cover-up isn't so the employee doesn't learn about Moon, because they obviously already have.)

But with the context that this is supposed to the employee acting out the role of a child, this made me realise something.

Fazbear Entertainment doesn't allow Sun to talk about Moon.

Listen to the line again, and tell me you don't hear it! It sounds like he just remembered the employee was in the room and had to add the excuse on quickly so he didn't get in trouble.

He never calls Moon by name, and always uses some sort of riddle or metaphor to explain what is happening to him. At first I thought that was just how he talked, but maybe it's because he's just not allowed to tell people whats going on!

He omniously warns Gregory to keep the lights on, but doesn't tell him why. Even when Gregory gets closer to the security desk he only says "that area is off limits" and doesn't try to explain how dire the situation really is.

Hell, even when the lights are out and he has nothing left to lose, he doesn't say anything direct about Moon that would help Gregory.

Maybe part of the reason he banned Gregory from the daycare is because he felt he had no other option, it would be pretty hard for Gregory to stay if Sun couldn't explain what just happened.

And you could make the argument that he's just trying not to freak out Gregory, but what about a situation where he has no hope of not freaking someone out? Why doesn't he say anything about Moon then, if he once again, doesn't have anything left to lose.

When he meets Cassie he says

"I am trapped in a nap!"

And in Help Wanted 2 he says

"He'll wake up if the lights go out."

Both use sleep as a metaphor for not being in control of the body, even though I highly doubt Moon is actually unconscious during these moments, since Moon always seems to know where is his target is, so I'm guessing he has Sun's memories.

Again in Ruin, he instructed Cassie to turn on the generators, warned her when it wasn't safe, and even sang a creepy metaphor-ridden version of Daisy Bell! And yet he never mentions Moon by name??

He also never mentions Eclipse by name, and instead just asks Cassie to make them "whole".

And in Help Wanted 2, there was no reason he couldn't properly explain the situation to the employee in the hard mode, since they weren't in the role play anymore.

For whatever reason, Fazbear Entertainment has pretty much brainwashed him to never directly mention Moon. I think this was probably to keep up the false narrative they have made with the Moondrop Candy posters that Moon is a good guy. And Sun telling the kids, or other people, the truth about Moon would be bad for publicity.

I feel really bad for Sun though, that he couldn't properly warn anyone if the lights were about to go out, or talk about his problems at all.

What I'm really interested in is if he has just been told not to say anything OR is there something in his coding literally stopping him from saying Moon's name. Like, if he tried, he would just go mute and not be able to talk.

Although the latter is an interesting concept, I don't think it's true.

First of all, Moon mentions Sun by name in his Ruin voicelines and I wouldn't really make sense for this coding to only apply to Sun.

Second of all, even if his code prevents him from talking about Moon, if he was really determined to say something, he could just use substitute words, write, draw, or in any other way communicate what he wants to say and bypass the coding.

No, I think it's a little more psychological. It could be possible Fazbear Entertainment has simply just told him to keep his mouth shut, and since they have control over everything in the Pizzaplex, he's too afraid to go against them. I wouldn't put it past them to threaten to turn the lights off if he speaks up either. Or to scrap him.

Sun has always had an irrational attachment to rules, which would also be explained by Fazbear Entertainments threats. He is determined to keep things clean in the Daycare, but his room is an absolute mess. He doesn't bat an eye at Gregory trespassing in the Pizzaplex at night, but does care when he goes into an "off limits" area. His hypocritical and confusing take on rules can be explained by these not actually being his real opinions, but just paranoid habits brought on Fazbear Entertainment's treatment of him.

"You're gonna get us in trouble..."

As far as we know, he doesn't have any friendships with the other animatronics. And besides Moon's patrols, Sun never seems to leave the daycare. Dudes just a paranoid loser with no friends. (real) This isolation could've been encouraged by Fazbear Entertainment's threats.

In conclusion, fuck Fazbear Entertainment and I hope the next game involves a robot uprising of sorts.

Edit: I have no clue how forgot this, but thank you to @technowingsgs for reminding me of Sun's line,

"Not me! The OTHER me!"

This is probably the most egregious and direct example of Sun refusing to say Moon's name. Since he's trying to tell Cassie that she needs to reboot Moon, but can't get away with just using a pronoun, he actually resorts to using an alias. Which may point more to the theory that its his coding that stops him from mentioning Moon, since hes ok with using an alternative name, but I'm not sure. But it could be a combination of factors.

I mean, I doubt its just that Sun doesn't know Moon's name. If MY name was SUN and I saw merch littered around the pizzaplex of a dude that looked like THIS:

Wouldn't exactly take a genius to come up with a name.

Also! A lot of people were confused at this line and didn't know why Cassie couldn't just reboot Sun in his AR body. So I want to attempt to explain what I think!

It seems that, since Moon is controlling their real body, Sun's consciousness has been pushed into the AR World. And the thing about the AR World is that it isn't exactly real. MXES can't hurt you when you take the mask off, because he doesn't have a physical body, he's more of an ghost or hologram. You can walk through walls, use portals, and enter arcade machines. Overall, it's seems to be some sort of non-physical unreality.

So the reason Sun tells you to reboot Moon and not him, is because he's really talking about his physical body and his AR body. If you tried to reboot him with the Vanny mask on, it simply wouldn't work!

This because you have to stick the fazwrench into his head, flip a switch, and that somehow merges Sun and Moon's code together into Eclipse. Their code is no doubt stored in a circuit board of some sorts, maybe even the one that's visible at the back of their head. All of these things are physical changes, that rely on the materials and mechanics inside his physical body. So if you tried to reboot him in a non-physical plane, it wouldn't do anything! Since AR Sun is more of a projection of his consciousness, like a ghost, and isn't fully connected to his corporeal body. Thus, the fazwrench couldn't reach the necessary code inside his circuit boards. That's why he asked you to turn the lights on, so Moon would freeze up and you could safely reach him.

That, and the game would be too easy if you didn't have to turn on the generators to freeze Moon! Sorry if that segment was too technical, I waffled on a bit.

[amphiptere-art]

My favorite little piece of evidence about the Fall fest fire. It's small but it's interesting. The barn was on fire and spread down to the carousel.

This is from a horrorscoped video. Unfortunately he doesn't exactly say which level of carousel this happens in. So it could happen over each level, or trigger with each working ring in the one before the Jack-o-Moon one. Either way I find it interesting.

Again this ties into my theory that Jack-o-Moon is the only type of DCA that was present during Fall fest. The moon is simply a placeholder. And that Jack-o-Moon was caught in the fire while he was in the carousel. Probably perishing in that fire.

[trialserrors]

matpat is saying william is helpi. the world we live in

[wonderfull-star]

I decided to draw Bonnie bro(Jeremy?) being in Sister Location. I'm still thinking about that "new" big theory FuhNaff(YouTube channel) came out with. I loved the theory that Bonnie bro(Jeremy?) was in Sister Location before Michael!!! And this phrase in the Help Wanted2 from the Circus Baby: “I recognize you...” which directly refers to the Fnaf Sister Location itself where she already addresses to Michael when she first meets him saying: “I don’t recognize you…”. Remember how some people talked about who Circus Baby meant when she spoke of “him”? So... Most likely it was Bonnie bro!! Who is also theorized by many to be Cassie's father!

[puhpandas]

something I think is interesting is that SW designed Vanessa's uniform to be white like Vannys mask/costume

and Gregory's blue shirt is a very similar color to Bonnie's base color (if you ignore the filter) in the PQ mask (and the stripes on his shirt also work with Bonnie's underbelly color)

and the recent ruin cutout drawing with the ligher blue stripes matches even more

[redtoondevils]

My short take, on the Jack O Moon animatronic. The short take I think, that the Jack O Moon, is like Mew from pokemon. That he was the beta version of Moon.

And once used for Halloween theme festivals, and shows. Because, of the really classic texture that he's got. But then, was later replaced...And re moddled, to the formal Moon.

Then, I think the Sun and Moon model was inspired from the Jack O Moon model.

So, that's my small take on it.

[moldy-cheese-touch-rabbit]

Me explaining the FNAF lore to my old self while showing her the Princess Quest ending to Help Wanted 2 after I travel back in time to 2014 (her tiny 14-yr-old brain is retaining absolutely nothing)

[bonnies-bowling-alley]

I like to think Sun has less patience for the player in hw2 assuming they're an adult. Becuase he expects them to know better compared to how he is with kids? I feel like he has more patience towards children, even more so if he knows they have a learning disability and a lot more friendlier towards them than to Adults. And Given the fact that he probably wasn't exactly treated well by the staff [gestures at the state of his room, the lack of maintenance on his model, etc].

Hence why he is more agitated and sasses the player. I don't believe he would be this aggressive if we are playing as a kid especially with how he was in SB.

plus not to mention…we are playing in a simulation which appears to be post SB but PRE-Ruin perhaps?…so there is the possibility of exaggeration in the simulations part. Especially the simulation is based off of things the staff has to put up with…

[puhpandas]

THERES A BIG CHANCE THAT THE VOICELINES WERE SPECULATING ABOUT COULD LITERALLY BE VANNY REBELLING. SHE LITERALLY SQUISHED GLITCHTRAP IN THAT ENDING AND SHES BIGGER THAN HIM. THE VOICE LITERALLY SAYS ONLY A SMALL PIECE OF HIS CODE REMAINS. SHE HAD A TINY GLITCHTRAP THAT SHE SNUFFED OUT, AND SHE EVEN WAVED GOODBYE!! ARE WE GETTING ANTI HERO/HERO VANNY???

WAIT WHEN DO THESE SHOW UP IN GAME