#hw2 theory

[puhpandas]

after watching that theory video where Cassies dad as hw2 protag is talked about I'm hoping so hard for cassie hw2 protag like. with the unused vanny lines and hw2 and ruin being made together releasing back to back referencing eachother the narritave of introducing cassie and establishing her being left under the pizzaplex ties perfectly into hw2. shes still trapped underground with all the items she collected throughout ruin and a helpy screen and vanny originally spoke to her acting as being on her side and manipulating her into becoming the new vanny

not only is it perfect lore but it's also narratively satisfying. as a writer analyzing Cassies character shown in ruin genuinely is SO perfect for the elevator situation and vanny. like unbelievably perfect. cassies story is at its core about abandonment issues and friendship and both of those things would have been targeted if mimic cur the elevator.

it would be tricking cassie into thinking Gregory did it (cutting her off from her friendship and making her believe it was false, then serving the abandonment issues) and then taking advantage of her fragile state (probably mentally and physically) to offer her a new friend that wont leave her or abandon her: vanny

especially with prior knowledge of vanny where vanessa had to be mentally broken down and belittled for vanny to take over, it fits perfectly with that and literally couldnt have been designed better.

the dream is hw2s dlc actually using Vannys unused lines and fully jumping into that narritave of vanny!cassie, also revealing that Gregory didnt cut the elevator (self indulgent but also dream scenario is a black room void with Gregory and vanessa remodels showing Gregory's reaction to the elevator crash as an ending/secret) to really show everyone hey mimic and vanny did this and now theyre back in operations and its then set up that Gregory, who mimic and vanny have convinced cassie is the enemy, has to try and get through to her to tell her he didnt do it and attempt to strip down all of the manipulation and lies vanny and mimic have done to cassie

like this is just too perfect, and the way that they wrote it just feels too on purpose. like come on, "that mask suits you"??? and hw2 is a perfect place to show that story, since a story purely about manipulation having happened would be hard to make a campaign game out of lmao

I'm just. hoping for it so hard. I at least think that it feels leagues better than cassies dad dying as the whole plot. like what would he even do?? how would it progress the story?? I can't see any way it would, at least not at all in the way vanny!cassie would

not to mention the entire nature of princess quest 4. the princess aka the embodiment of vanessas trapped soul literally handed the player character the sword like passing down the torch, aka handing cassie the crown since shes now the trapped princess? makes literal perfect sense

I just cant see fnaf somehow making Cassies dad the princess lmao

also also, the candy cadet story about the woman and the young boy. it says the oven door closes at the end after the woman does NOT get revenge on the witch (vanessa killing vanny) and that probably means the oven door closes not on the woman and the boy but instead cassie. also makes narritave sense and the other story about the family and the meal also applies to this because of the "not doing something" theme

[catboygraystripe]

guys oh my god is the voltron freddy thing in hw2 trying to say all the missing children were combined into one (like sister location) how all the figurines of the animatronics that have dead kids inside them form the big voltron thing. ohh theorists please do something with this

[millenniumproductions]

Ever since I saw the "Carousel" level from the HW2 Demo Dawko played, I wondered why Steel Wool made MOONDROP of all the animatronics to be the threat. So... I've come up with a theory.

What if the Carousel was meant to be a part of the "Museum" attraction that Fazbear was going to do?

I mean, it has almost all of the past animatronics on it.

Did Moondrop become attached to it and didn't want to let anyone else on it?

Because if the level was anything to go by, maybe Moondrop had accidentally hurt one of the workers because he thought they were trying to break it instead of fixing it?

[chloesimaginationthings]

Vanessa made her suit for the FNAF mimic..

[achillean-knight]

Part 1 - Part 2 Here you go, the final part. This is for you, Anon's who requested the continuation of this JKHGDSHGS

[puhpandas]

some more evidence for gregory protag:

hes shown to control staff bots/hack them to see through them and talk through them in ruin with that rare voice line and... vanny mask ending shows us as a staff bot being glitchtrapped to give cassie the mask from its pov. meaning gregory could have been watching through its eyes

the player character in PQ4 standing at the arcade machine is blue

in PQ4 you can find a secret fnaf 1 bonnie mask with the caption 'this looks familiar'.... could mean dr rabbit

"what makes you so special" makes sense for staff bots. everybody is asking what makes this one staff bot so special. maybe its because Gregory is controlling it. hes the only one thats been shown to control a staff bot before

Sorry I'm not fact checking this and this isn't copium this is a genuine question but- what evidence is there against Gregory protag?

Just saying this cause like- the "what makes you so special" line would work really well with 'the wizards most favored apprentice', and getting the GGY achievement when getting the highscores, and also ig playing PQ4 since Gregory played the first three as well n all and the Princess trusted the protag with her sword really quickly, as if she knew them somehow and knew they were trustworthy.

[reluctanttrabbit]

something that still drives me insane since ruins anniversary is coming up

[balloonboyismyson]

OKAY OKAY OKAY I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT BEFORE, BUT I NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

Okay, so you know how in RUIN Cassie decommissions Roxy and then somehow Roxy comes back and saves her from the Mimic? Well, turns out that not only did Cassie not even come CLOSE to decommissioning Roxy, she also did not even hurt her!

How do we know this? Well, let us take a step back for a moment. When Cassie goes to the daycare and talks to Sun, he begs her to use her FazWrench to restart them and make he and Moon whole again.

On the back of their faceplate they have this socket that the FazWrench can plug into. It is located directly on their motherboard.

When she goes to do the same thing to Roxy, she plugs it into her eye instead.

When I first saw Roxy in RUIN, I was confused about her face. Clearly that is not what her endo looked like in Security Breach (shown below).

During this time, I had thought they just retconned her prior appearance. HOWEVER. After Help Wanted 2 was released, during Roxy's minigame she looks just like how she did in SB, albeit a bit more broken.

At the end of the Masked Minigame, she asks for the mask that is to your left. At this point, the mask is the only thing you can grab.

This mask is the one she is seen wearing in RUIN. It has been speculated that HW2 comes after Security Breach but before RUIN.

So, when Cassie uses the FazWrench to decommission Roxy, Cassie in actuality did literally nothing to her. The FazWrench went into her mask, but did not actually touch any part of Roxy's mechanics. It was a pure coincidence that Roxy malfunctioned at that moment. I mean, after everything she had been through AND that the poor bot had just gotten crushed, she probably needed a minute to turn off and on again.

[fairyfai]

DCAs Connections in Help Wanted 2 Update! (FNAF Theory)

Hello! :) I'm gonna be rambling about the DCA and its connection to the past (before the franchise took form) based on what was shown on the mural that we saw on the old factory.

Again, this is gonna be a ramble (it's gonna be going all over the place, so I may or may not sense (lol)) and most importantly, this is purely speculation (so please take this with a grain of salt!) ^^

Note: This is the first time I'm writing a theory, so bear with me (lol) & feel free to type your thoughts in the comments or rbs below (for civil (and fun!) discussions as we theorize together! :)

So, inside the mural (looking at the upper half) there was the blue rabbit (we can safely assume that it's some form of bonnie) and the golden bear (golden freddy or fredbear, at this point, we don't know which is it or if its something else entirely) but, just above the two, we can see a Sun and Moon motifs on either sides of them.

The Sun motif is positioned on the right, while the Moon motif is positioned on the left. Which makes me (and all of us) wonder, how are the two connected to this blue rabbit and the golden bear ?

To bring up what other theorist have said, many have speculated about a traveling circus back in the day, and from the looks of the bottom half of the mural in hw2's update, it clearly shows that many theorists were in the right direction.

As for Sun and Moon though, many of the dca fans already knew they these were theater boys (or old stage performers) from the way they're dress (seeing as they're jesters, so they've been used for the theater) so, we could likely see them performing with the rabbit and the bear, or separately (maybe on their own stage). Perhaps one (the bear, alongside Sun) would perform during the day, the other (the rabbit alongside Moon) at night (or it could flipflop throughout depending on show/audience). Again, either or, they're somehow connected to both the rabbit and bear within the mural.

However, if you think about them in a symbolic way, Sun and Moon could potentially represent Afton and Henry respectively. Since the two would be working together during that time (in sotm).

So, hear me out. Moon in a way could represent Afton. And what's he commonly associated with? Rabbits. And throughout sb, Moon is under the influence of Vanny, so I found it kinda funny that with this update, Moon is the one who's associated with rabbits (heck, he was in Bonnie Bowl as well, which made me wonder why he was seen there out of all places when you (the player) face him in hw2).

Also in hw2, in the claw machine ending, there are two slight altered endings the player gets. The first one being with Moon and his usual white eye, black pupil, and the second being, once the player obtains the bonnie mask, that Moon's pupils turn red.

Why? Does he now know the player (or the one who we play as)? How does he know the player? What connection does he have to the player, from the moment the player gets the mask?

So, I'm guessing Steel Wool may have trying to establish this connection for a while now (about Moon and rabbits now that we see the hw2 update) but may have been overlooked. Idk, who knows?

As for Sun, he could represent Henry, if Henry is the one commonly associated with bears (I think, correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I've been in the fnaf fandom). So, with Henry and Afton working together, it kind of parallels to Sun and Moon in a way. Light and dark, good and bad.

I don't know if Eclipse will show up in sotm (hopefully they do) but I'll put it anyway. Eclipse in a symbolic sense could represent Edwin, tying the two (Afton and Henry) together to build up their business, just how Eclipse keeps Sun and Moon together in order to function as a unit.

Anyway tl;dr - Sun and Moon (& Eclipse by extension) are very much ingrained with fnaf's past, we just have to put the pieces together to figure it out (like most theorists been doing i guess lol).

That's it! Just wanted to ramble. Again, take this with a grain of salt! :)

[amphiptere-art]

My favorite little piece of evidence about the Fall fest fire. It's small but it's interesting. The barn was on fire and spread down to the carousel.

This is from a horrorscoped video. Unfortunately he doesn't exactly say which level of carousel this happens in. So it could happen over each level, or trigger with each working ring in the one before the Jack-o-Moon one. Either way I find it interesting.

Again this ties into my theory that Jack-o-Moon is the only type of DCA that was present during Fall fest. The moon is simply a placeholder. And that Jack-o-Moon was caught in the fire while he was in the carousel. Probably perishing in that fire.

[wonderfull-star]

I decided to draw Bonnie bro(Jeremy?) being in Sister Location. I'm still thinking about that "new" big theory FuhNaff(YouTube channel) came out with. I loved the theory that Bonnie bro(Jeremy?) was in Sister Location before Michael!!! And this phrase in the Help Wanted2 from the Circus Baby: “I recognize you...” which directly refers to the Fnaf Sister Location itself where she already addresses to Michael when she first meets him saying: “I don’t recognize you…”. Remember how some people talked about who Circus Baby meant when she spoke of “him”? So... Most likely it was Bonnie bro!! Who is also theorized by many to be Cassie's father!

[puhpandas]

something I think is interesting is that SW designed Vanessa's uniform to be white like Vannys mask/costume

and Gregory's blue shirt is a very similar color to Bonnie's base color (if you ignore the filter) in the PQ mask (and the stripes on his shirt also work with Bonnie's underbelly color)

and the recent ruin cutout drawing with the ligher blue stripes matches even more

[redtoondevils]

My short take, on the Jack O Moon animatronic. The short take I think, that the Jack O Moon, is like Mew from pokemon. That he was the beta version of Moon.

And once used for Halloween theme festivals, and shows. Because, of the really classic texture that he's got. But then, was later replaced...And re moddled, to the formal Moon.

Then, I think the Sun and Moon model was inspired from the Jack O Moon model.

So, that's my small take on it.

[moldy-cheese-touch-rabbit]

Me explaining the FNAF lore to my old self while showing her the Princess Quest ending to Help Wanted 2 after I travel back in time to 2014 (her tiny 14-yr-old brain is retaining absolutely nothing)

[bonnies-bowling-alley]

I like to think Sun has less patience for the player in hw2 assuming they're an adult. Becuase he expects them to know better compared to how he is with kids? I feel like he has more patience towards children, even more so if he knows they have a learning disability and a lot more friendlier towards them than to Adults. And Given the fact that he probably wasn't exactly treated well by the staff [gestures at the state of his room, the lack of maintenance on his model, etc].

Hence why he is more agitated and sasses the player. I don't believe he would be this aggressive if we are playing as a kid especially with how he was in SB.

plus not to mention…we are playing in a simulation which appears to be post SB but PRE-Ruin perhaps?…so there is the possibility of exaggeration in the simulations part. Especially the simulation is based off of things the staff has to put up with…

[puhpandas]

THERES A BIG CHANCE THAT THE VOICELINES WERE SPECULATING ABOUT COULD LITERALLY BE VANNY REBELLING. SHE LITERALLY SQUISHED GLITCHTRAP IN THAT ENDING AND SHES BIGGER THAN HIM. THE VOICE LITERALLY SAYS ONLY A SMALL PIECE OF HIS CODE REMAINS. SHE HAD A TINY GLITCHTRAP THAT SHE SNUFFED OUT, AND SHE EVEN WAVED GOODBYE!! ARE WE GETTING ANTI HERO/HERO VANNY???

WAIT WHEN DO THESE SHOW UP IN GAME