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moonlitcelestial · 21 days ago

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Chapter 29

Beyond the Lens - Logbook Videographer!Reader x OT8 Ateez

W/C ~18,782

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Disclaimer: This story is purely a work of fiction. It is not meant to assume or mock anything about Ateez, Atiny, or anything relating to what I do not know about being a videographer. This story will follow several of the events that Ateez have done in the past year for Golden Hour Part 2, that being said I will not be able to include everything.

Contains she/her pronouns.

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General Warnings: cussing, conflict, angst, fluff, and obliviousness.

LONG Author's note (This might be a hot take but I feel it needs to be said so buckle up) Before I get into this completely by no means am I trying to demean anyone here, but it is becoming increasingly difficult for me to continue seeing all of the discourse within our fandom. Therefore, I felt that I should speak up for some of the people that can't or are choosing not to for various reasons; some of which are listed further into this note.

In light of all of the things that are going on with our Yeosangie I would like to say a few things; and these posts are how I reach the most people. First of all, I would like to say I have not been an Atiny long enough to form a cohesive factual opinion on all of the matters that are being brought to light.

I would however like to say that if you are truly upset about the line distribution, among other things, that it has been suggested to me (by someone that has been in the K-Pop scene for just about 15 years and has been an Atiny since their debut) that we email KQ so that they might be able to enact some changes in the future.

I would also like to say that bullying someone on social media, or in any shape or form, be it because they have a different opinion than you or if they did something you do not like, is not acceptable to me. I know that most everyone is beginning to beef with Eden (again), and by no means am I saying that he is innocent in this situation, but he does not deserve the absolute hate that he is receiving. We do not know all of the facts of the matter that led to this issue. Eden, however much of an ass he is, is still with KQ and working with our boys for a reason. They look up to him and that has been stated on a couple of occasions that I am aware of. Insulting him on behalf of Yeosang, while it may feel good in the moment, is not the way to go about getting things to change, as it hasn't in the past to my understanding.

We are Atiny, we are better than sending hate to someone who has helped our Ateez grow throughout the years. I know we are mad and upset, I am too, but I can only think of how the boys will be receiving of this. We, as Atiny, should be mature enough to not act like absolute fools and make it even harder for Ateez, and their team, when they are already most likely stressed enough as it is. There have been instances in other fandoms that I will bring to light that are, in my limited opinion, along the same lines of what might happen here if this continues. It was a complete madhouse within the Stray Kids fandom not too long ago that got bad enough that Stay got scolded by Chan because people were throwing a fit on their behalf. Or in another situation that it got bad enough that HE apologized for saying something true to his heart that should not have been construed the way it was. All of these things that are being said are in complete speculation on how people THINK Yeosang feels when we are not inside his head nor do we know what is actually going on.

Please, please, please also take into account that some of the people that are being somewhat quiet on this matter may not have been in this fandom for long enough to completely understand the situation, do not have enough knowledge to make a good opinion based in fact, or that they may not have the courage to be vocal about their opinions. So again, please consider that when posting the "I am disappointed in people that are being quiet" and 'What kind of Atiny are you if you don't speak up?' everyone has their own way of dealing with things and they might not be able to deal with it as you do.

The best we can do right now is email KQ and show him our support without tearing into other people, no matter how much you want to or how good it feels in the moment.

Feel free to unfollow me, block me, or what have you if you do not like the above statements because hate of any kind will not be tolerated in and on my blog. Stepping off my soap box now. On to the thing you are really here for. Let me know what you think ~Moonie

CHAPTER WARNINGS - Fun, highly suggestive and SPICY, mentions of a panic attack. Read at your own risk.

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“No Wooyo, I can't pack the children in my suitcases.”

“Why not? They could be our emotional support cats on the trip!” Wooyoung was absolutely adamant about attempting to talk you into bringing the giants on the North American leg of their tour. He had been arguing with you about this for the past several minutes and you could tell he wasn't going to stop anytime soon. For as much as he had ‘beef’ with Toothless he really was vying to be able to bring him to his hotel room ‘for San’ as if he hadn’t bonded with him in the slightest.

“Do you really want to have to worry about all four of them while we are staying in several different hotels? There’s no guarantee the hotels will allow cats and we couldn't give them the attention they need. Not to mention I’m not sure they would travel well in a plane.”

“But Y/n-nieee”

“Youngie I will hang up on you.” A large sigh came from the man on the other side of your phone, well rather your headphones; speakerphone was not going to work with how much you were moving around. You had been packing your suitcases for about an hour at this point. Nothing would have prepared you for the chaos that was going to unfold when Wooyoung called to ‘help you pick cute outfits’. You were getting close to just plopping on your bed to complain and maybe take a late evening nap. Since San’s party you had been going nonstop trying to get all of your shit together for the big trip. You had done so many things in the past day and a half you could barely distinguish what you did today and what you did yesterday.

“Yah, she said no stop it.” You looked up to where your phone was set up on the headboard of your bed. Hongjoong was smiling at you while he stood next to Wooyoung.

“At least someone sees sense, thank you Joongie.” He nodded at you and sent you a flying kiss before disappearing again.

“Oh, Shutterbug, don't let me forget to give you the staff shirts.” You couldn't see him but he was still in the immediate vicinity if his voice was anything to go by.

“You can get them to me when we get there. My normal clothes are already packed and the suitcase is closed up.” A hum of acknowledgment was the only thing you heard from that end of the phone. A dinging noise interrupted the call, with a glance at your watch you saw Forrest calling you.

“Boys, I gotta go Forrest is calling,”

“Okay, see you soon, we love you!”

“I love you too!” you hung up the call and answered Forrest’s call.

“Yes?”

“Hey we have all the things that I can think of for the trip packed up at the studio. Your early packing yesterday really helped us out.”

“Perfect, I’m getting things finished up here and then I will be that way so we can load our cars with everything and then transfer it over to the storage vans at KQ.”

“Sweet!”

“Also, I know this is implied but the technology goes nowhere but with us.”

“Girl, I have traveled with you many times. I know what you like to have happen.”

“Sorry, I’m a little stressed this is the biggest and longest trip we have ever gone on so I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.”

“You have nothing to stress about, we aren't on a tight leash this time around. We are traveling as our own independent company.”

“Old habits die hard.” You shrugged your shoulders as if he could see them.

“Hey do you have your Beyond the Lens Studios cap?”

“Yes, I’m wearing it to the airport tomorrow so it’s set out with my outfit to put in my overnight bag for when we go over to Willow’s.” You glanced over at the well loved black cap. It was decorated with your embroidered logo on the front, your signed alias was on the bottom of the visor, your instagram on one side, the slogan on the other, and a QR code on the back linking to your website. Honestly, it was one of the best ways to promote the business while taking pictures in the field.

“Speaking of, did Rowan get the time off?”

“I don't think so, I haven't heard anything about it.”

“Damn, I was hoping he would. Last time we got to do something like this and he tagged along and made life a little easier.”

“I know, but we will have the help of some of the staff.”

“That’s true. Shit, the doorbell just rang for the studio. I gotta go let someone in.”

“Go go, it’s best not to keep them waiting.” He hung up the call and your music started playing again. Looking over the several suitcases you were thrilled with how well you had packed everything. The last thing you needed to do was pack your overnight bag; which was going to be easy as pie compared to the tornado that had come through your room for everything else. You grabbed your airport outfit and slid it into the small duffle along with your skincare, meds, a small amount of makeup, travel jewelry case, and charging cords for any and all electronics that would be going with you. The bag you would have on the plane with you was going to be your electronics, there was absolutely no way in hell you would trust anyone with the breakables; especially after hearing the horror stories of the boys getting their things stolen.

When you finally had everything taken care of you started lugging your several suitcases down the stairs and out to Aria. The giants were following you around almost as if they knew you were going to be gone for a while. After getting the last of your things situated you made your way over to the couch and sat, as soon as your butt hit the cushions Atlas and Toothless were on you. Mocha and Beans were rubbing themselves on your legs and then ended up on the couch next to you.

“I’m going to miss you babies,” you were petting all of them the best you could. You thanked god that the past couple of days had gone so well with integrating Atlas into the group. Mocha was actually getting along with him very well; maybe it was because he was a male and not another female like last time. Atlas and Toothless were grooming each other while standing on you now, which had become some weird ritual at this point.

Your phone pinged in your back pocket, craning your body around you grabbed it and saw a message from Willow. She was letting you know that she was getting around to head to the studio. With a sad sigh you looked over the children that had just gotten comfortable on you.

“My loves, I’ve got to go.” Gently you scooted the two boys off of you and the girls immediately got up afterwards. You crouched down and planted kisses on each of their large heads before making your way around the house and turning off all of the lights. When you made it back downstairs they were curled up in close proximity to each other, you smiled and walked out to the garage after slipping on your shoes.

The drive to your studio was filled with music and dancing; mostly to Ateez. If anyone would have seen you they would have thought you were crazy. As soon as you pulled up into the small parking lot you were met with the bickering of Forrest and Aurora. With a roll of your eyes you got out of Aria and walked up to the twin menaces. “We can't fit that many things in the car, you'll have to wait!”

“I can fit it in, I just need to play a little tetris.”

“Like hell you will play tetris with my expensive bags.”

“The two of you haven't even been together for that long and you are already bickering, just put some of it in Aria and we can sort through things later. Forrest, you know good and damn well she is picky about her bags. Why are you even arguing with her?”

“If we could have gotten them into my vehicle then we wouldn't have had to take someone else's.”

“With the amount of equipment we have it was going to be inevitable that we take more than one car.” Aurora stuck her tongue out at Forrest and he rolled his eyes at her before heading over to move some of the bags to Aria. Willow came out of the studio carrying a couple of the large camera boxes for multiple cameras.

“Thank you for sorting whatever that was out, the two of them have been at it since I got here. I didn't have the energy to deal with it so I just went about my own business.”

“Of course, you know me, conflict resolver extraordinaire.” The two women rolled their eyes at you with smiles. You started toward the front doors and passed a grumbling Forrest on the way. With a small snicker you went in and started grabbing the backpacks that were left out on the large couch. With one on your front and one on your back you made your way back out. All of Aria’s doors were opened courtesy of Forrest and Aurora. You took each of the bags off your shoulders and settled them into the passenger seat. Those were ones that would be going in the cabin with you, even if you had to fight with someone about it.

“Did all of you set your automatic replies on the emails?” Aurora and Willow yelled back their affirmative answer and Forrest muttered an expletive behind you, he had forgotten; which didn't surprise you in the slightest. You shook your head at him and continued on your way to grab more things. The two women followed you in and you looked over everything together, with one more sweep of the storage room you started closing things down. Everything that was on the list you had was out in the cars. You had taken some of your own personal equipment home yesterday so you could pack it in your own bags so it wouldn't be forgotten in the haze of group packing.

“That should be everything, let's get on the road so we have enough time to organize while getting things into the KQ vans.” your loud voice carried over the entire studio and to the women upstairs. Both of them trotted down the steps and made their way out. You were the last one out and you turned to lock up the door. There was a sign taped to it stating that you would be out of the country for the next several weeks on business. All four of you had agreed to attach your emails on the poster, if anyone really needed you they could get a hold of you that way. With a final tug on the now locked door you turned and started making your way over to the cars. Each of you would have to take your own car which felt odd because you almost always had someone with you; unless you were on Ink. In all of the time you were with these three you hadn't ever traveled with all of them at the same time; let alone for this long. You gave them a thumbs up before getting back into Aria and heading out.

As soon as you pulled up into the KQ parking garage you were met with several security guards. This was new. Maybe they are protecting people while they pack all of the tour things. You rolled your window down and the gentleman approached your car. “Y/n, Willow, Aurora and Forrest.”

He glanced at the clipboard in his hands and shook his head. You checked your rearview and the three behind you were practically hanging out into traffic.

“Alright, can we at least pull in until you find our names? I would rather not have my team sticking out into traffic.” He gave you a curt nod and started directing you where to go. He walked beside your car and some of the others followed the three behind you. When you parked your car you got out and walked up to the man who was standing a few feet from you.

“So I am not seeing your names on the list I have.”

“It could be under Onyx, Moonstone, Topaz and Amethyst.” He flicked through the list again and shook his head. You let out a sigh and turned to look for someone that would know you. Of course in the precaution he had made sure you were not within range of anyone.

“Let me make a call right quick then, because I should be on that list.”

“Don't go too far.” you nodded at him and walked over to your car to grab your phone. With a quick move you dialed up Hongjoong.

“Hi Shutterbug.”

“Hi Songbird, would you or one of the other boys be willing to come out and let the security know we are safe to get in so we can start packing our equipment in the vans?”

“They aren't letting you in?” There was muffled talking and footsteps in the background.

“Nope, they have a list and apparently me and the team aren't on it. I gave them our real names and the aliases and they couldn't find any of them.” You glanced over your shoulder, the team was standing close to the back of your car listening. The security guards were watching you like hawks, almost as if you were some kind of impostor.

“We will be right out, don't worry about a thing, treasure.”

“Thanks Joongie, see you shortly.” You hung up the phone and walked the short distance to stand with your team.

“You hear what’s going on?”

“Yeah, it’s stupid.” The four of you stood there just waiting for some of the boys to come get you. You leaned back against Aria messing with your nails. In the space between everything yesterday you had gone and gotten the acrylic off and returned back to your normal chipped black nail polish and short nails. You had an eye on the parking garage entrance between messing with your nails and acting disinterested. You really didn't want to seem like you were too crazy to these strangers. When you caught sight of all eight of your boys you let some laughter out of your nose. They were looking for you closer to the back doors than you were allowed.

“Fair warning," you muttered to your team. They glanced at you and then covered their ears. You stuck your fingers into your mouth and let out a shrill whistle and waved at the boys when you finished. The security guards whipped around to look at you and started storming toward you like you had committed a crime. Your boys immediately whipped around as well; knowing it was you.

“What are you doing? Summoning reinforcements saesang?” Your eyes widened a fraction and you tilted your head. Did he just–

“She was just calling over the people that would be able to verify who we are. There’s no reason to call her names.” Willow was trying to keep the peace between the group of people, knowing full well that you could fillet this fucker standing in front of you.

“Shut up, no one asked you.” Your eyebrows pinched together and before you could reply to the dumbass in front of you, someone cleared their throat loudly. With a glance behind the gaggle of men in front of you there stood Hongjoong in all his 172 cm (5’ 8″) glory. His arms were crossed in front of him and you could see his tattoo peeking out from under his sleeve. Damn he was hot.

“Everything alright here?” The men stuttered trying to speak to the eight pissed looking men. You covered the bottom half of your face in an effort to hide the shit eating grin that had spread across it. Those were your boys.

“We were screening them to see if they were on the list.”

“If I recall correctly you asked them if they were on the list some time ago if her call to me was anything to go by.”

“We were waiting on orders from the other security guards to verify their identities.” Hongjoong held out his hand in an expectant gesture, the security guard hesitated before he handed over the clipboard. The rest of your boys gravitated toward Hongjoong while he was flipping through the pages.

“So the pictures of their KQ IDs weren't enough?” He held up the clipboard to show you and the rest of the people in the surrounding area the scans of your IDs they took on your first day.

“You can't expect me to be able to rely on that when she is covered in tattoos that aren't in the picture.” Of Fucking Course.

“You would recognize my face even if my tattoo was showing so why is she any different.” The man’s mouth audibly snapped shut and the others surrounding him were looking at their shoes.

“If I may,” you stepped forward and passed the security guards. Hongjoong was smiling softly at you as soon as he caught full sight of you; a drastic change to the expression he wore mere seconds ago.

You really wanted to be a bitch but you didn't want to stoop to their pathetic judgy level. You let out a sigh instead, choosing to make sure it sounded like a disappointed mother before she scolded her children. “Take this as a learning opportunity, don't judge someone by their tattoos; like literally almost everyone has done to me. I might be covered in tattoos but I am the most professional out of the lot of you, especially when it comes to profiling people. Also, when making those kinds of assumptions don't let the person know what you really think of them because it can be very insulting, and it could quite possibly get you into more trouble. I really can't believe you would think I was a saesang when all I did was cooperate with you when you know that they wouldn't have.”

“A saesang? Really?” Yeosang was unimpressed to say the least, his deadpan expression crumbled just slightly when your eyes met his for the briefest of seconds.

“She’s literally the sweetest person just because she is covered in ink and wrapped in dark clothing doesn't mean she isn’t.” You glanced over at Wooyoung who was looking between you and the rest of the boys like he hadn't just let the words fly out of his own mouth.

“I understand, I’m sorry miss. It won't happen again.” He was bowing to you. Looking over your shoulder you met Hongjoong’s eyes, he gave you a small nod that he was good if you were. With a small dip of your chin you turned back to the man standing in front of you to tell him that you accepted his apology.

“You’re lucky she’s nice, if she had been any more upset you would be gone.” Your eyes snapped back to Hongjoong who was smirking at you. A snort of laughter left Aurora, you made a conscious effort to not look at her unless you wanted to start dying of your own laughter. The security guards bowed to everyone before taking their leave, on their way Hongjoong handed the clipboard over. You turned to look at your team, Aurora was red faced trying to hold back her laughter, Forrest was smiling at you, and Willow was shaking her head.

“It’s the middle of fucking summer what do they expect you to do cover up from head to toe like a fucking nun?” Your eyes widened at Willow’s words. Aurora lost it, Forrest put his head in his hands and you, well, if Aurora was gone so were you. You were almost doubled over with laughter.

“I think they were intimidated by you, giggles,” your laughter grew while you stumbled over to the closest person. Which just so happened to be the man who made the comment; Jongho. He offered his hand out to you and you accepted it to keep yourself upright.

“How could they be intimidated by you tiny?” You looked up at Yunho who was grinning at your almost prone state.

“I dunno, she can be pretty scary when she wants to be.” At this point you were laughing so hard you snorted. You slapped a hand over your mouth and tried your damndest to stop laughing. The sound of your snort set Willow and Aurora off again, Forrest and the rest of the men were looking at the three of you questioning what was going on inside your heads. A couple of them may have started laughing with the three of you not too shortly after.

After a couple more minutes of laughter you straightened yourself out and wiped the tears from your eyes. You glanced over to Aurora and Willow and Aurora’s lips were tight. “Don’t you fucking start!”

You turned around and stopped looking at her to see San standing there watching you with a tilt of his head and a small smile. You reached up and pinched his cheek before walking back to Aria without a word. Everyone took the hint and scattered. You pulled out of your parking spot when everyone was out of the way and started toward where the KQ vans were. San, Mingi, and Yunho were jogging along beside your car and you were snickering at the three of them when they tried to overtake you in speed. Wooyoung and Yeosang were standing in one of the close open spaces and started directing you like police officers into the spot. Jongho, Seonghwa, and Hongjoong were approaching you as you got out of the car. The rest of your team followed you into their own respective spots. When you popped the trunk your boys immediately started unloading the car.

“Suitcases can go in the suitcase van, there are several backpacks and a case that will not be leaving our side throughout the duration of the trip. Those can be marked with some duct tape around the handles so we don't lose them.” You tossed the electric blue roll of duct tape from your trunk to Aurora who started toward the bags you allocated beforehand.

“All of our bags are fairly distinctive but we have name tags attached to them just in case.” You showed Yunho the tag you were referring to while he set your largest suitcase on the ground.

“You are far more organized than we are, we just throw things together at the last minute and call it good.”

“You do, not the rest of us.” You were snickering at the beginning of the bickering match between San and Seonghwa. With the help of your boys the unloading and reloading of your equipment went quicker than the first time around. You made your way over to the KQ office to check if you missed anything. As soon as you did your last sweep of the room you wandered over to look at some of the polaroids on the display shelf. You snatched your favorite one that was here and turned around to be immediately met with Yunho.

“Hi Yuyu, did you need something?”

“Just to see my pretty girlfriend.” You smiled up at him and gave him a small smack in the arm while you passed. He laughed at your reaction and followed you over to your desk. When you opened up the film drawer you started rummaging around for the particular film for this camera.

“So, out of curiosity,” he sat on the edge of your desk. “If you were to room with any one of us, who would you choose?”

You glanced up at him through your eyelashes before resuming your search. “That’s not something you ask just out of curiosity, pup.”

“Humor me, Haebalagi (Sunflower)”

“I don't think I could pick one though, If I had the choice I would rotate out with everyone.” He raised his eyebrows at you when you rose up from looking. With a roll of your eyes you set the film out on the top of your desk before wandering off to see if you had any more in the storage containers.

“If I had to choose between all of you and it was only one of you it would be Hwa. He and I get up at about the same time and we both need a break from mothering all of you.” Yunho let out a snort at the thought of both of you mothering everyone at the same time. What he was really interested to see was how Hongjoong and you managed everyone together.

“Do all of you manage your passports well by the way? If you don't I have a small bag I keep all of the team’s passports in so they don't have to worry about it.”

“Honestly, I think our managers handle our passports, I really don't see mine very often.” You let out a laugh, it was probably for the best that the managers handled their passports, you could only imagine what kind of chaos might unfold if your boys kept a hold of them by themselves.

“Y/n, do we have anything else that you can think of that needs to go in the backpacks or the equipment cases?” Forrest was peeking his head into the room while he spoke.

“I did a sweep here, the only thing I am going to do is grab an extra polaroid which I can put with my things.”

“Okay sweet, I’ll go let everyone know we are good then.” Just as soon as he appeared he left. You turned around to look at Yunho, who was now sitting in your chair. The two of you were making idle conversation while you searched around for more film.

“Y/n-nie! They're calling everyone for a last minute team meeting about the trip!” Wooyoung was the one to burst into the office this time. Yunho stood and followed you, while you followed Wooyoung to the dance practice room. Which must have been the only room that could fit most everyone that was going.

“Do we have everyone here?” You glanced around and met the eyes of your team and made your way through the crowd toward them.

“Alright, I heard no protests so I am going to get this done quickly so we can all go and get some rest before the early flights tomorrow. Beyond the Lens Team.” The woman in charge of the entire operation glanced over at your team while addressing you.

“Just like the last time you will be lodging close to Ateez as their logbook videographers and photographers. They will be in a suite and the rest of you will be in the surrounding rooms just in case they decide to do late night lives and need your help with anything. We have gotten a few go pros to add to some of the cameras you already have so you can hand them off to the boys if they request them. While we love and trust them I really don't want to have to replace more cameras.” A round of laughter came from the staff surrounding you while the boys all whined and pouted in protest. You glanced over at the group of them with raised eyebrows and a smile. Now you were curious what happened last time and why they had to replace some cameras.

“The room arrangements will stay the same with each hotel we go to, there will be higher security at the hotels such as door security and keycard entry only to each of the doors so that we avoid a situation similar to the last time we were out with everyone.” She snuck a glance over at you and your team and back to Ateez and some of the staff that were present at the MV shoot.

“Can I add something to that?” All eyes fell to you as you spoke up from the side of the room.

“Go right ahead,” you nodded in thanks to the woman before stepping up toward the center next to her.

“So, I know all of us are aware of the disaster that came with the MV shoot that she just mentioned. I want to let you know that being from the States myself I have first hand experience with how crazy people can get. I want all of you to be fully aware that things could get physical, and while I hate to admit it because it used to be my home, it really is not the best place to be in terms of being some kind of celebrity. Photographers there invade space, do not respect privacy in the slightest, can be downright pushy, and can be completely disrespectful to get their shots. While there are some of them that are good, the majority of them just do what they do for a paycheck and not for the memories behind the pictures like my team. Please, for the sake of our boys and the wellbeing of everyone surrounding you take into account all of your actions when going out and doing things in the States because you never know who could be following you.”

“Well said Y/n. Simply for that fact we have also hired extra security with an extensive amount of knowledge in the field to be able to control everything better. If you wouldn't mind stepping forward to introduce yourself please.” She held her hand out to someone in the crowd of people while you walked back toward your team. A man in an immaculate suit stepped through the throng of people.

“Hello, my name is Asher Windsor. I have been hired independently along with my small team to ensure all security and safety measures are taken and executed to the best of our ability. I will be in charge of all security so if you have anything that needs to happen or that you would like to report please let me know or find one of my partners so we can get it taken care of as quickly as possible. We have extensively screened all personnel that have been hired as security so that we can best protect you. That being said, I look forward to working with all of you, Hwaiting!” You and your team put your fists in the air and repeated his sentiment with enthusiasm. Asher sent a wink toward the four of you before retreating back to his team.

“Is there anything anyone would like to add before we all go home for the night?” Everyone looked around to each other before shaking their heads no.

“Alright, if you have any questions please do not hesitate to find me. Hwaiting!” All of you cheered and most of the staff vacated the room which left your team, Ateez, and Asher’s team. Without a word Forrest quickly made his way over to his husband and wrapped him in a tight hug before pulling away and slapping his shoulder.

“I can't believe that you didn't tell me!” Well at least you weren't the only one that was left in the dark.

“I wanted to make sure it was going to happen before I said anything, and by the time I found out that we were cleared it was close enough that I figured why not surprise you.”

“Asher! It’s great to see you!” You turned to look at San who was approaching with a smile followed closely by the rest of your boys. They briefly hugged and San bowed to the rest of Asher’s team.

“You as well San.” All of you stood there and chatted for a few minutes before someone’s phone went off. You looked around to your boys and team but none of them moved. One of the men in Asher’s team checked his phone and smiled.

“It’s the wife, I’m going to head home for the night so I can get some family time in before the bright and early flight tomorrow.” Asher waved the tall man off giving him a large smile while he answered the phone.

“We should probably go to our respective abodes as well, we do have a very early start tomorrow.”

“I agree, we need as much sleep as we can get so we don't have grumps in the airport.” You looked over to Aurora and Willow with a smirk knowing full well that they would need at least two cups of coffee tomorrow morning before becoming anywhere near their cheery selves.

“Y/n-nie do you want to come over to ours so you don't have to go all the way back home?” You glanced over at Seonghwa who was looking over at you between the rest of your boys.

“I had planned on crashing at Willow and Rowan’s but if you’re offering I wouldn't mind at all.” His smile widened and you caught the small celebratory motions of the rest of your boys.

“Change of plans I guess Lo, now you don't have to worry about me in the next room while you and Rowan have some fun before you don’t see each other for a while.” She turned to you with a glare and reached over to slap your arm.

“I hate you.” You laughed at the blush on her face.

“Sure you do, just use protection!” With a step back you turned on your heel to follow your boys who were heading toward the door so they wouldn't get in the middle of you and Willow’s bickering. Laughter echoed as you stepped past the threshold.

“Do we have a plan on how we are getting back? I really don’t want to take up a spot at your apartment.” Wooyoung turned around and started walking backwards.

“The company vans are just going to take us back so you can leave Aria here.”

“Perfect, I need to grab my bags and then I'll be good to go.” By the time you got outside the vans were already parked and waiting for you. You walked past them and to your car to grab the couple of bags that had been designated to you. You threw one over your front and the other over your back and grabbed your small overnight duffle and hung it on your arm. With a click of a button on your keys the trunk closed and you started making your way back to the van. As soon as Jongho caught sight of you looking like a pack mule he made his way over to you and gently took the bag on your front off of you.

“Thank you Aegiya (baby),” he smiled bashfully and kept walking toward the van you assumed you would be riding in. When everything was situated you closed up the back of the van and got in the main portion of it. There were only two seats left, one on the edge of the first row and one in the middle of the last row. You knew Jongho would most likely want his own personal space so you took the seat in the middle of the back row between Hongjoong and San. before you were even settled San had his arm over the back of your seat and was leaning toward you with a smile.

“I’m really excited for this,”

“Me too, although I might be a little nervous being gone for so long. I haven't ever been away for more than two weeks; especially with a new kitten in the house.”

“I’m sure that the Xikers boys, Minho, and mom will take good care of them.” You glanced over to Hongjoong who was already looking between you and San. You held out your hand to him and he almost immediately took it and started playing with your rings.

“I know they will but they’re my babies, y’know?”

“I do,” San responded, looking at you with a small smile.

“Everyone bucked up and ready?” Your eyes flickered up to the driver and you were nodding along with the rest of the men in the van.

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The drive was fairly short to get to their apartment. You were let out in one of the back entrances to the building. The men that hadn’t been in the van with you were messing around while walking up to the door. With quick steps you moved to the back of the van to grab your things. You snuck a glance at Hongjoong and he was just shaking his head at the younger men and Seonghwa. When you were a pack mule once again you followed Hongjoong toward your boys. San snatched your overnight duffle from you while Mingi took the bag on your front and the last bag was taken by Jongho, you rolled your eyes and continued on. They proved you right, once again, you really couldn't do anything by yourself if they were in your presence unless you stopped them from doing it. Really it was best you didn't protest; unless you wanted to deal with pouty boyfriends. The door opened with a click and all of you filed into the pristine white hallway, you paused just looking over the large space. A hand met your back and you were being escorted forward, you were looking at anything and everything that you could. The walls were a crisp white and there were several black accents throughout it. Each door you passed had some kind of label on it, you must have been in some kind of maintenance hall.

The front half of your boys were holding the elevator for you when you approached. When you stepped past the small gap of the door you were almost immediately tugged into Wooyoung’s arms. You let out a small noise of surprise and laughed at his antics. When all of you were in the large elevator someone swiped a keycard across the pad and it started moving. All of them seemed to be practically vibrating, without actually bouncing around; thank the gods.

When the doors finally opened you were herded out and through a door. The sight made you stop short, you were met with a huge room with windows lining the wall looking over all of Seoul. (This is the inspo) Your jaw dropped at the amazing view, this was one of the buildings you could see from the overlook. The room may have been large but it was cozy as well, and there in the middle of what you assumed was a great room was a beautiful crystal piano. Before you could take a step Hongjoong was crouched in front of you offering a pair of house shoes to you. You laughed and took off your tennis shoes to step into the star and moon embroidered slippers. As soon as you were comfortable in the slippers Yunho quickly took your shoes and put them on the rack against the wall. Your feet carried you over to the piano before your mind caught up. It was astounding, you could see all of the strings woven in the middle and there were a few more modern looking things toward the front.

“How did I know that she was going to be the most interested in that and completely forget about us?” You turned around and sent a glare to Wooyoung, his eyebrows shot up comically before a smile broke out on his face.

“I’ve only ever heard of a piano like this, so excuse me while I freak out a little bit.” You took a seat on the bench and reached out tentatively, before your hand made contact with it you turned back to look at your boys. Seonghwa was watching you with a tilt of his head; curious as to why you stopped.

“Go ahead Shutterbug,” Hongjoong was smiling at you before he decided to approach. With quick movements you turned back toward the piano and settled your hands on the ivory keys. Before you could start doing anything the piano started playing itself. You ripped your hands back and scrambled up off the bench while looking at the thing in horror. With slow movements you turned to look at everyone who had gotten closer to you.

“What in the absolute fuck is that?” You were pointing at the piano, which was still playing itself. All of the men surrounding you erupted into laughter at the bewildered look on your face.

“It's got bluetooth and can play by itself.” Yunho was holding his phone up with a grin. You turned back to glare at the piano.

“That’s a fucking sin, I don’t want anything to do with that cheater of a piano.” You stepped away from it and wandered off toward the place you initially came in from. With too much curiosity you peeked into the door that was closest to you on the opposite side of the wall from the entrance. The door opened into a small hallway with a large coat closet on the right and what looked like a powder room behind it. After thoroughly checking things out in the small hall you walked back out and caught sight of a large dining room, when you stepped in you were in awe of the floor to ceiling windows. The entire place must be lined with them. As your eyes traveled there was a door in the corner on the same wall you entered from, with quick steps you made your way over to it and were met with the large kitchen. There was an island in the middle and lining the walls were marble countertops and beautiful white cabinets with silver handles. Having a white kitchen was definitely a choice; you preferred yours at home over this one. You ran your hands over the pristine countertops and the stainless steel appliances. When you made it to the far end of the room you were met with a small table that had several sheets of music on it with scribbled handwriting all over them. They probably left this in a hurry one morning.

You went to the center of the kitchen and out the small hallway, if you could even call it that; it was more of a nook with a door on one side and a small hand washing station on the other. Curiosity getting the better of you you opened the door and were met with a walk in pantry stocked to the nines, and was that a wine cellar?! You moved past all of the food and took in the smaller space, sure enough it was a tad cooler in the room and it was lined with various liquors; most of which had barely been touched.

“You have all this alcohol and you have barely touched it?! What is wrong with you?” Yunho was the one who peeked his head into the room at your question.

“Moonshine, most of what we have is for sipping, not mixed drinks like the stuff at your house.”

“So what I am hearing is that you guys are no fun?” Yunho rolled his eyes at you before looking over his shoulder at someone.

“You hear this? She comes into our place and starts insulting our things, first the piano and now our alcohol.”

“Why do you need a piano that plays itself when you have a perfectly good pianist of a girlfriend and many talented friends that would be more than happy to play it for you? That thing, while gorgeous, is an abomination.” You were standing there with your arms crossed in front of you and your head tilted. Yunho couldn't help but burst into laughter at your conviction, he knew you well enough that he guessed you would gravitate toward the abomination by the end of the night. You were most likely just startled by it with the small prank he pulled on you.

You rolled your eyes at the laughing man before gently pushing him out of the way to continue your exploration of the absolutely huge penthouse. Jongho swept up to your side and offered you his arm.

“Want me to give you a tour?”

“That would be great Aegiya (baby).” He gently started leading you down the hallway and turned into a bedroom. It was very minimalistic but it had an unspoken warmth to it.

“This is my room,” You let go of his arm to investigate around the space, you had walked past a closet and a small bathroom to the main portion of his room. The most decoration he had in the room was a small chair in the corner which had a picture board above it and a TV mounted on the wall across from his bed. On said picture board were the polaroids he had gotten from you and a printed picture of the two of you when you asked him for a contact picture. You turned around with a smile to him.

“You like us,” you were wiggling your eyebrows at the maknae who gave you an exaggerated roll of his eyes before breaking into a small smile.

“I more than like you guys and you know that. Come on giggles, let’s continue the tour before we have to head to bed.” He offered you his arm again and you took it with a large grin on your face; teasing him was always fun. He escorted you back out to the hallway and you were brought down toward the end of the hall. As soon as you stepped into the room you were met with two large dressing rooms on either side before the main portion of the room opened up.

“Hi Shutterbug,” your eyes shot to Hongjoong who was standing close to a L shaped desk, and right next to him was Seonghwa.

“This is Joongie and Hwa’s room. They share and Mingi and Yunho share the next room over the rest of us get our own rooms, although most of the time we double up anyway. At this point Sannie’s room is just storage because he spends most of his time in Woo’s room.” You turned back toward Jongho and let out a small laugh, why didn't that surprise you?

“I never would have expected the two of them to have so many clothes to warrant two walk-in dressing room closets in one room.” A small noise of complaint came from the men in question. You were trying to hold back your laughter as you saw them getting closer out of the corner of your eye.

“They have the majority of the space but if we need to the rest of us also store some of our things in here. They also have two bathrooms past the dressing rooms.” You turned and looked further into the dressing room and low and behold a large bathtub sat in the gap between a sliding door and the wall. Before you could ask any more questions you were swept into a large tight hug by Seonghwa. He was leaning against you and started swaying with you, not even a minute later someone was at your back. You glanced over your shoulder and were met with Hongjoong’s beautiful brown eyes while he set his chin on your shoulder.

“You’re all ours tonight by the way,” A small huff of laughter left you. How in the world had they pulled that off?

“You pull the eldest man and the captain card?” They separated from you with large smiles; which told you all you needed to know.

“Alright, enough hogging her let me have her for a little longer then the three of you old people can go to bed.” You turned around to look at Jongho who was smirking at the three of you. A small indignant noise came from the eldest of your two boyfriends while they tried to step past you to get after Jongho.

“I’m not that old!”

“You’re the three oldest of all of us.”

“You watch it maknae I know where you sleep now.” Laughter sounded in the hallway and you looked past Jongho to see Mingi and Yunho standing there watching the entire interaction.

“She’s not wrong Jjong, you better lock your door tonight. Come on muse, we can show you our room.” Mingi was holding his hand out for you and you stepped past Jongho while sticking your tongue out at him. Mingi intertwined his fingers with yours as soon as you got close enough to offer him your hand. When he was happy with the hold he had on you he raised your hand to leave a lingering kiss on the back of it. Yunho was smiling at you and took the other hand you offered out to him. They walked with you past another powder room and to the next bedroom over and pushed the door open. You were met with a similar setup to Hongjoong and Seonghwa’s room the biggest difference was the bathroom on your immediate right and a set of small closets on the left before the room opened up. Just past the bathroom there was another dressing room. In the main portion of the room there was a twin desk setup but other than that the bed was the only thing in the room.

“Whatcha think?” Yunho was looking at you from the gaming chair he plopped into.

“Very empty, like men definitely live in here. I don't even see any pictures.” Yunho lightly scoffed at you and then pointed toward the wall you were leaning on the corner of. You peeked around to see the main portion of the wall and were met with two large picture boards that were completely covered. Most of the pictures were of your boys but in the center of each of them were pictures you haven't seen in a long time. One was of you kicking your feet up while you were laying on Ink. The other was a high shot of you playing the piano with your head tilted to the side while it was mostly dark in the room.

“We may have bribed Aurora with coffee to get a couple pictures of you.” You whipped around to look at Mingi who was smiling bashfully at his feet with a light dusting of pink on his cheeks. Your heart melted in your chest at the admission. You walked over to Mingi and stood in front of him; he refused to look at you.

You settled a hand gently under his chin to make him look you in the eyes, there was hesitance written all over his cherry red face. “Naui Byeolbit (My Starlight), there’s nothing to be ashamed of, that is the sweetest thing anyone has ever done.”

His eyes lit up like stars when you called him the new nickname, one of the reasons you found it so fitting. His smile was absolutely contagious as he hugged you close to his chest; almost squeezing you to death in the process. You felt him relax against you while simultaneously letting out a large breath like he was holding it in; as if you would be offended they did that.

“Can you tell which one is which?” Yunho’s voice floated over to you from his spot at his desk.

“I have a guess.” You were rubbing your hands up and down Mingi’s back just soaking in his hug.

“Go ahead tiny, try your best.” You smirked, something he couldn't see.

“Yours is the piano shot. You know how I know? I caught you staring at my hands almost the entire time I was playing the other day. That picture showcases me and my hands spread across the keys very well. So that leaves Mingi’s which is also fitting because I’ve caught him watching me intently every time I leave on Ink.” Both of the men sputtered, Mingi had separated himself from you and looked at you with wide eyes.

“You guys aren’t very subtle if you’re trying to be. I might have mistaken your flirting in the beginning as being friendly with the camera or just being you, but I see all of you watching me in some way almost every time anything happens now. Like when I was lifting things to help get our equipment into the van, Wooyoung was watching me nearly drooling. When I am dealing with my cameras and anything to do with my job I see the way Hongjoong watches everything that I do like he is trying to soak it in. On a couple of occasions I have also caught San watching me when I am messing with my pen, particularly when I bite the end of it when I am thinking. I've caught Yeosang watching me when I am doing anything relatively normal, like ordering food at the cafeteria, that one goes hand in hand with Seonghwa watching while I eat. Then there’s Jongho, who to my knowledge is always keeping an eye on me no matter what I am doing. It’s almost as if he isn't the maknae and is older than me and needs to watch out for me. None of you are doing this in a stalker kind of way, just like admiration; or love if you will.” You glanced around Mingi toward the door where Jongho was leaning against the doorframe with a tomato red blush on his cheeks.

“I see more than you realize, and more than I let you know about.”

“You’re no different! Don't act like we haven't seen you watching us like that too.” Wooyoung popped around the corner to point his finger at you to which Jongho gently grabbed his finger and put it back down to his side. If it were you, you would have smacked his finger out of the air.

“I’m not trying to be subtle, I want to stare at my pretty boys. While we are in public I tone it down, but around anyone that knows or while we are by ourselves all bets are off.”

“That’s fair, now it’s my turn!” Wooyoung marched into the room and grabbed your hand in his hand before practically dragging you to his room; which was past a closed door and a room that Yeosang was in. You were met with a bathroom immediately in the door with a decent sized closet on your left. On the right was a small hall before the room opened up. San was sitting on the bed in the middle of the room and smiled up at you as you walked in.

“What do you think?” Wooyoung dropped your hand and threw himself in the bed like a starfish behind San.

“I like the cute couch in the corner, the diagonal set up for your tv stand is interesting but I won’t knock it until I find out why it’s set up that way.” San snorted and Wooyoung shot up from his prone position.

“We have it that way so we can turn the TV toward the couch or angle it toward the bed.”

“If it were flat against the wall it would make it so we can’t turn it enough to have a good angle on the couch.”

“I see, smart cookies.” San was smiling at you, his dimples on full display. Wooyoung was just watching the interaction with squinted eyes before turning back to you and grinning. What is going on in his brain?

“Noona! Who are you going to sit by on the plane?” Wooyoung had jumped up from his spot and grabbed your arms like he was asking the most interesting question in the world.

“I dunno, it’ll depend on how the plane is set up. Most likely by my team so we can discuss the general things that need to happen for recording and possibly other business matters, the boring stuff really. Sitting on a plane for about ten hours will most likely be the best place to do it.”

“So you aren't even thinking about sitting next to your pretty boyfriends?” That's what he is after, trying to feel you out for who you will sit by on the long ass plane ride and if he has a shot of it being him.

“If I was going to I would probably bore them to death, generally I use that time to do some of the things I need to do like simple edits and responding to clients and networking. Speaking of,” you grabbed your phone out of your back pocket and got into it, with a couple of clicks you sent off the drafted post.

“What was that?” the two of your boys were watching you curiously.

“Sorry, I needed to post that we would be out of the office, I try to get it out the night before we leave so people can email us before we get in the air so we can respond better. You never know how good the internet is going to be on a plane.”

“Isn’t that the truth,” you turned toward the voice coming from behind you. Your eyes met Yeosang’s and he was smiling at you from his spot leaning against the doorway.

“Would you like to come see my room?” You nodded with a smile and started walking toward him. Wooyoung had grabbed your hand as you passed him and pulled you into a quick kiss before gently pushing you toward Yeosang. With a shake of your head and a bigger smile you continued on your way to the door. Yeosang wrapped his arm around your waist and planted a lingering kiss on your lips before he started leading you back the way you originally came. You stepped into his room and were immediately met with a bathroom on your right and a small closet to your left. His room was on the smaller side, but it was arranged in a way that didn't make it feel cramped but rather cozy. Unlike the majority of the rooms you had been in there wasn’t a small hallway separating the room from the other aspects of it, it was just open; which you liked.

Your eye caught on the entertainment center, it was a beautiful light wood that had bookshelves on both sides of the tv which was sitting on top of a small fireplace and some storage was on either side of said fireplace. You immediately moved toward it, there was a warm draft coming from the fireplace as you crossed over to look at the contents of the bookshelves. Throughout the bookshelves there were some knickknacks but your favorite thing that you spotted was the framed picture of you and him that you took on his birthday. “I thought you might like it.”

Yeosang was standing just shy of his bed just watching you look around his room; happy that you were enjoying his little slice of heaven.

“I really do like it, the fireplace makes it seem alive; and adds an extra layer of cozy. I also like the bookshelves, but I’m sure you already assumed I would.” he let out a small snicker before moving toward you and settling his hands on your waist.

“I like seeing you here, you make this place feel like a home.” It was your turn to snicker, he was just too sweet for his own good. He held you for a couple more seconds before turning and bringing you with him backward. He sat on a wide chair that had an ottoman in front of it and gently pulled you into his lap. You ended up sitting sideways while he rested his feet on the ottoman. He took the opportunity to wrap his arms around you and pull you to rest your head on his shoulder. You placed a kiss on the juncture of his neck and shoulder where your head lay. His arms tightened around you just barely and you could feel the heat creeping up his neck. Not a second later he rested his cheek on the side of your head. You grabbed his hand and started playing with his fingers. He was just watching you with his own brand of fascination while you twisted the couple of rings he had on. His other hand shifted and he started running it over the back of your head and through your hair. The moment continued and you would have fallen asleep right there in his arms.

“Who’s got Shutterbug?” you could feel the roll of Yeosang’s eyes in your soul. Maybe if you stay quiet enough they won't find you. Yeosang seemed to think the same thing because just like you, he stayed silent. Hongjoong had walked past the room twice before he realized the two of you were sitting in the corner of the room, in a clear sightline of the door.

“The two of you I swear, it’s like you didn't hear me at all.”

“Oh no, we did, we just stayed quiet.” Yeosang was trying his best to not laugh at your statement. Hongjoong tilted his head at you with a squint of his eyes.

“So I assume the two of you don't want to see the present I got for everyone then?” It was your turn to tilt your head. Present?

“What did you do?”

“You'll have to come out to the living room to see so I can give it to all of you, everyone is already waiting.” You looked over at Yeosang whose interest was piqued. He helped you up and out of his lap before getting up himself. The two of you followed Hongjoong past Wooyoung’s room, what you assumed was San’s room, and some kind of mock production setup to the living room. This place was just a huge square, you ended back up in the room you initially were in not too long ago. All of your boys were sitting on the huge couch just waiting for the three of you. You took a seat in the corner of the couch and San almost immediately cuddled up to you.

“Stay here.” Hongjoong had turned quickly on his heel and walked back the way you came.

“What’s up with him?”

“All I know is that he has a gift for all of us.”

“This isn’t suspicious at all.” There were varying reactions from the boys surrounding you, without thinking you started to mess with San’s hair as he leaned against you. He hummed and leaned into your hand while you let your nails trace lightly against his scalp. The eight of you were just content sitting there, a couple of them had their phones out and were scrolling while the rest of you just sat in comfortable silence while Hongjoong did whatever he was doing.

A couple of minutes later Hongjoong reappeared carrying several small boxes. Everyone straightened giving him your full attention. He started handing each of you a box with your names on them. When everyone had theirs you started opening them, you were met with another small box. You dropped the cardboard in your lap and opened the small velvet jewelry box. Inside was a beautiful silver circular pendant that read Ateez. You flipped the pendant and it had a four point star with a sapphire in the center of it. You looked around to each of the men and all of them had wide eyes while they looked at their present.

“It’s a customized set of necklaces, all of them have our birthstones, they fit together and form a hollow circle and Y/n-nie’s circular pendant perfectly fits within it.” (This is the inspo, I picture it without the initials and to to be a little bigger so it can have a precious stone on it)

“Wait, how did you find out my birthstone is a sapphire?” Hongjoong’s eyes fell to you and he offered a smirk.

“I asked Willow, and she divulged that you share a birthday with a certain what did you call him? Ah yes, dog, from Stray Kids.” Everyone’s wide eyes fell to you. You ran your tongue over your top teeth and laughed at him. Of course she would spill the beans.

“You and Seungmin share a birthday? That makes so much sense!”

“Yeah, same day, just different years. I’m exactly three years older than him.”

“Wahh that's weird, I'm not sure how to feel about that.” you looked over to Jongho, who had bonded even more with the Stray Kids singer over the last few days. You had completely forgotten how close they were in age.

“So, are we wearing these to the airport tomorrow?”

“It's going to be my statement piece.” All of the boys looked over to you with smiles. You would most likely wear the star out so people wouldn't put together the pieces while they were being filmed by dispatch. Really they were going to be the biggest hurdle to get past, they had a tendency to construe absolutely everything. Case in point, you being a new group what felt like forever ago.

“Can we put them together to see how they look?” Seonghwa was looking between all of you with a cute questioning look that you could just squish. You got up and placed your necklace on the small coffee table. The rest of your boys followed and the oldest of them started placing the pieces together. All of the pieces fit together in age order. When they were fit together you grabbed your phone and took a picture of it to send to the girls of your team, they would love it.

“Treasure, turn yours over.” You looked up at Hongjoong through your lashes and did as you were told exposing the star and sapphire. A collective gasp came out of all of your boys.

“When I heard Hunter talk about how she was our north star I had to have it added, I already had the Ateez on it but it fit too well to not have it on there. The inset of stones was also a result of that as well. I thought the star looked too plain so I had them added to make them extra special for us.”

“It’s perfect, thank you Joongie.” The rest of your boys echoed the sentiment while you got up and walked over to the shorter man and offered your arms out to him so he could decide if he wanted the hug. Without a moment’s hesitation he had grabbed you by the waist and pulled you to him. The two of you rested your heads on the other’s shoulder and just stood there slightly rocking back and forth. Another pair of arms wrapped themselves around you and before you could look at who it was several more followed. A group hug, which used to be something you didn’t think would happen after comforting Mingi, but now it is becoming a normal thing. The nine of you stood together in a messy pattern but it couldn’t have been more perfect.

Someone’s phone started ringing and interrupted the moment you turned around to see what was going on and saw your phone ringing where you were sitting on the couch. That’s odd, barely anyone calls you. Seonghwa, who was on the edge of the group hug, had quickly made his way over to it and answered the phone. Your eyes widened and you quickly made your way over to him.

“Hi eomeoni (mom)!” Your frantic pace slowed as you took in the name.

“Hwa, you can’t just do that, it could have been some random person!” You reached over and lightly smacked his arm before joining him on the FaceTime call. Your mom was standing in the middle of your living room with a giant grin on her face.

“I was doing my last check up on the grand kitties for the day and turned around for one second and now they are yelling at me.” She turned the camera around and showed you the four giants sitting on the base of the large cat tree together. Your heart cracked in half and you hadn’t even left the country yet. Atlas was in the middle of the bunch of them just yelling while the other three were watching her intently.

The rest of your boys joined to see the chaos unfolding on the small screen. “He might be more like Woo than we initially thought.”

The group moved almost immediately and Wooyoung was now running around chasing Yeosang to get him back. You let out a loud laugh at the two of them before refocusing on your phone. Your mother had turned the camera back to herself and smiled at you and the remaining boys. ”I just wanted to call and give you a quick update on the babies before all of you go to bed, which you should do here soon so you can get a good night’s rest before your flight.”

With a small roll of your eyes and a smile you took the phone from Seonghwa. “We will, don’t worry.”

“You better, I love all of you, be safe, stay healthy, keep me updated on everything and take lots of pictures for me.” You nodded before repeating the same back to her. The boys that were still here echoed you before the call ended.

“Yah! Stop biting me!” You turned around and saw Wooyoung latching himself onto Yeosang’s shoulder. The latter was trying to get away from the former to no avail.

“Youngie, I think you got him good enough.” His eyes flickered over to you and he immediately stopped what he was doing like a scolded puppy. You approached the two of them and looked at the spot Wooyoung bit Yeosang. The only thing that had been left behind was a little bit of spit and a couple of teeth marks. You lightly ran the pad of your thumb over the bite in a soothing motion, Yeosang was watching you carefully and so was Wooyoung.

“You okay Sweets?” He nodded to you and lightly glared at Wooyoung.

“Alright you overgrown children, we should head to bed.” You looked over your shoulder at Hongjoong and he was approaching the three of you. He gently started escorting you away from the two menaces and toward his and Hwa’s room. On the way you snagged your overnight bag so you can do your nightly routine.

“Goodnight boys, I love you. See you bright and early tomorrow.” When you walked in the room Seonghwa was right behind you and closed the door. You placed your bag on the small couch next to their bed and started to dig around for your pj set. When you had thoroughly searched every pocket, nook, and cranny you rolled your eyes. Oh for fucks sake, in your passive packing you had forgotten one of the most important things of an overnight bag. Normally you would have just snagged one of Willow’s shirts and called it a night but now you had to ask for clothes; or maybe you could just sneak one of their big shirts.

The two of them had disappeared into their respective bathrooms so you had to be quick, wandering into the closest dressing room you looked over everything, this was definitely Hongjoong’s closet. Your eye caught something that was perfectly oversized, with a smile on your face you grabbed it and quickly changed. It was large and fell to your mid thigh, this would be enough for the night. You folded up your clothes and put them into your duffle and decided to explore around. Walking out of Hongjoong’s closet and across the way into Seonghwa’s you were immediately met with a sight that you should have expected to see earlier. His Lego display.

It covered the entirety of one of the shorter walls. He had many small sets and a couple of large ones like the Zelda one. You were smiling as you stepped closer to inspect the details of each piece. The sliding door opened and Seonghwa came out of the bathroom looking fresh faced, he jumped as soon as he saw you already looking at him with a smile.

“You’re such a nerd that you have to hide your Legos in the closet.” He squinted at your teasing as you walked closer to him to land a small peck on his cheek. Before you could walk away and back toward the legos he grabbed your waist and spun you back toward him to plant a kiss on your lips. You smiled into the kiss and ran your fingers through his hair. His hands ghosted toward the edge of the stolen shirt and they fell under it and to your waist where he was expecting shorts. He completely separated from you and raised his eyebrows at you before looking to confirm what he felt.

“Joong is going to go crazy, you know that?” You responded with a shrug while he squeezed your hips.

”I like them a little crazy, it makes it fun.” His eyes widened at your response before he tugged you closer.

”I doubt you’ve seen his kind of crazy,” a shiver ran up your spine at the words spoken so lowly you could barely hear them. You smirked up at him before completely separating yourself.

“We need to go to bed Naui Byeolnim (my star).” He was watching you as you left, most likely picturing what he knew was beneath the shirt.

When you stepped out of the dressing room you were met with a very focused Hongjoong sitting at his L shaped desk in the corner of the room. Without much thought you approached him and scooted his chair back so you could settle yourself in his lap facing him. As soon as he registered it was you he stopped looking at his screen. The momentary flash of recognition was extinguished in an instant as he noticed what you were wearing. His eyes darkened while he looked over your figure.

”Being a thief are we Nae Sarang (My Love).” You smiled at him sweetly while you placed your hands on his shoulders running them back and forth toward his neck.

“Not a thief, just borrowing.” He smirked at you and turned to look at Seonghwa who was standing close just watching the interaction.

“You see her? Sitting in my lap acting like nothing is happening while she wears clothes that she stole from my closet.” Seonghwa was nodding at him without speaking, he moved toward the pair of you and stood directly behind Hongjoong. He towered over the two of you and you both looked up at him.

“Hi pretty boy,” his face turned a beautiful shade of pink and Hongjoong looked from Seonghwa to you.

“Did you discover something about our Hwa that you would like to share?”

“He likes to be called pretty,” Seonghwa slightly turned away from the pair of you trying to hide his blushing face, with quick movements you reached up and grabbed his chin. “Look at us while we talk to you pretty boy.”

He visibly swallowed, the words he was thinking of uttering died in his now dry throat. Hongjoong let out a hum and squeezed your hips over his shirt. ”I think you broke him.”

“He reacted the same the last time we were in a situation like this, I’m sure you remember the marks I left on our pretty boy.”

“That I do, but we can’t leave any on him tonight otherwise we will get an earful tomorrow. Now you on the other hand, we can do whatever we want to you.” You looked back down at Hongjoong who was smirking at your shock.

“I don’t remember saying anything about me, I was talking about Hwa.”

“No, but I did. And in this room I’m in charge.” You rolled your eyes at him before attempting to get up and away from the man below you. His hold tightened on you enough to keep you there but not enough to hurt.

“Don’t be a brat,” his eyes were alight with fire now. His irises were almost completely black as he looked you over once again.

“Think you can handle me, Captain?” His eyes snapped up to meet yours. All he found was a challenge sparkling in your e/c eyes.

“Oh I know I can, our treasure.”

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The next morning you woke up with a start when an alarm rang across the room. With a light groan you turned away from the offending noise into someone’s bare chest. An arm slung itself over you and the warmth at your back disappeared before returning a second later.

“Good morning, are you ready to get up for the day?” You were grumbling between the two men before opening your eyes again.

“I need more sleep.”

“We can sleep on the plane Treasure, come on let’s get up and around.” Hongjoong rolled away from you and a small whine bubbled up and out of your throat before you could stop it. He turned to look at you with a smile before continuing on his way to his bathroom. Seonghwa was also up and out of bed which left you sitting there in the middle of it. You moved slowly and grabbed the shirt that had been thrown off the bed last night. After getting it on you slid off the bed and put on your slippers before heading out the door and to the kitchen. If you were going to make it through the morning you would definitely need your morning drink.

You looked around the end of the kitchen where the breakfast bar was and smiled in triumph when you found what you were looking for. With quick movements you started brewing coffee for the boys who drank it.

“This is a sight I could get used to waking up to.” hands met your sides as Mingi wrapped himself around you and nuzzled into your neck.

“I assume you had some fun last night muse.” He left a lingering kiss over one of the more tender spots on your neck. You nodded and rested your head on his. The two of you stood there waiting on the coffee maker to finish in relative silence. Every once in a while his lips would ghost over your neck.

“Yah don’t hog her!” Wooyoung’s cheery voice was almost too much this early in the morning. Mingi stepped away from you and turned to look at Wooyoung. You followed suit and when he saw you completely his lips parted in surprise. He moved so quickly your foggy brain couldn’t quite catch up, he was on you in an instant kissing you multiple times like he had something to claim. His hands ghosted around you and to your ass and gave it a light squeeze which shocked a breath out of you.

“Youngie, keep it in your pants we don’t have the time and she still needs to get ready.” Seonghwa’s voice traveled over to you from the opposite end of the kitchen. Wooyoung immediately parted from you and stepped back before turning quickly in the other direction to pout at the eldest of your boyfriends.

“Hwa, I’ve made some coffee for everyone.”

“Thank you Dalnim (moon), go ahead and get ready. I can take it from here.” you nodded and walked past Wooyoung, you could feel his eyes burning holes through you. As you walked down the hall you passed several of the boys who completely stopped in their places as you walked by. You pushed the door open and gently shut it so they wouldn’t get any ideas. Hongjoong was muttering something in his closet while you made your way to your duffle.

You were grinning at your luck, for some reason you had chosen an outfit that completely covered you. With quick movements you grabbed it out of the bottom of the bag and set it on the small couch. A turtleneck, blazer and some nice looking black slacks paired with the shoes you wore yesterday. The universe has a way of knowing what needs to happen before it actually happens and by the gods this was one hell of an example. You took the entire thing to Seonghwa’s bathroom and changed as fast as you could so you would have enough time to spend with your boys before it was time to go.

When you stepped out of the bathroom you were immediately met with Hongjoong who was standing there with a smile and a couple of things in his hands. “Turn around, shutterbug.”

You obliged him and turned your back to him, his hands came in front of you holding a necklace, your necklace. Without a word you moved to lift your hair up and away from your neck so he could get it clasped. Once he was done he placed a light kiss on the sliver of skin that was exposed above your turtleneck. You dropped your hair and turned to look at him with a smile. “Thank you Joongie.”

“I’m not done yet, chin up and close your eyes.” You did as you were told and were met with a spraying sound and the smell of Hongjoong’s cologne. It smelled woodsy but fresh with a hint of citrus, something beautiful and so him. The mist of it had met your neck where you knew he could still see the marks he left just under your jaw.

“Alright, you’re good to go” You opened your eyes in time for him to place a quick peck on your lips before wandering away. You brought your hand up to the necklace and let your fingers trace it. With a glance in the mirror you saw how happy you looked, something that hadn’t hit you until now was how you had started glowing. You hadn’t been this happy in so long, and it looked amazing on you. Your eyes sparkled behind your thick framed glasses, your cheeks were rosy and your smile; it reached your eyes. After looking at yourself in the mirror for a little while longer you stepped out of the room, grabbed your duffle and made your way to the main portion of the penthouse.

The boys were straightening each other out and murmuring compliments to the ones they were helping. You smiled at them and leaned against the wall just watching. A knock sounded and all of you whipped to look at the door. Mingi, the closest one, opened it and bowed to the manager that walked in.

“The vans are here to take you and Ms. Y/n to the airport.” Everyone nodded and started shuffling forward to get their shoes on. You followed suit and grabbed your bags next to the shoe rack. Some of the boys had grabbed bags while others just left without anything. Once everyone was situated you followed the group to the elevators. Some of them went in one and others stepped into the one across the way. You followed Hongjoong deciding to stick close to him just in case. The trip down to the lobby was filled with silence. Nothing could have prepared you for the sight that greeted you in the lobby, there was Asher, completely decked out in his gear. He didn’t acknowledge you in the slightest, just started giving orders to the few men that surrounded him. They would be in the vans with you and the boys, or at least that’s what you overheard.

Everyone was following orders to a tee. It was odd seeing how professional everything was, your boys were almost too quiet for your liking. When you stepped out into the back of the building there were three vans lined up waiting on you.

“Y/n, you will be with the staff in the front van, Ateez you will be split in two and have some security with you at all times.” You nodded to Asher and made your way over to the front van, the manager standing there offered to help you with your bags but you refused and set them in yourself. With one more glance toward your boys you got into the van that had many managers and a couple of security guards in it. No one that you knew.

You reached toward the inside pocket of your blazer and pulled out your Beyond the Lens cap and put it on making sure to fix your hair accordingly then your sunglasses so you wouldn’t be blinded on the way. When you were situated you pulled out your headphones and stuck them over your ears, if you were going to be in a car full of people you didn’t know then you would have to keep your mind busy. Not too shortly after you were on the way wondering what the day would bring.

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When the van rolled to a stop you were the first one out the door after being the last one in. You put your mask up and moved quickly to grab your bags from the trunk. Your sunglasses were on and covering you from the extensive amount of camera flashes this early in the morning. When you secured your bags you turned and started searching for your team. There in the distance you caught the black and white hats, you rushed off toward them the best you could with the two fairly heavy backpacks and your duffle. When you got to them you set your bags on the cart they had commandeered and gave them a smile you hoped they could see.

“Our suitcases have been taken by the airport staff so we won't have to worry about those.”

“Passports are in my bag.”

“Cameras with me”

“Uploading software with me.”

“GoPros with me.”

“Miscellaneous things with me.”

“Good?”

“Good.” Forrest patted your shoulders and dusted the invisible lint off of them.

“We’ve got this. We won't let you fall behind and we won't let anything happen to the equipment.” His words eased something in you just a little bit. You turned to look at the boys who were standing there getting their pictures taken like true professionals. If you hadn’t gotten this job would you have been a part of dispatch? You shook your head of the thought, absolutely not.

“Want to do our normal airport pictures?” You turned over to Willow with a large grin before handing her your phone from your blazer pocket. The four of you stood together and she took a picture of your feet. You were grinning as you lined up for several more pictures, away from the flashing of the cameras. The four of you struck poses and you were laughing the entire time. Your favorite was when you were holding up your middle fingers and she took a picture of your shadows. When she handed you back your phone you took a picture of the luggage scattered around the four of you.

“Time to go,” The four of you looked toward the staff that were in charge of getting everyone together, they were motioning to you and your team to start that way. You glanced over your shoulder and saw the boys approaching as well. Your groups met in the middle and were almost immediately surrounded by the security team. The only acknowledgment from Asher was a light squeeze of your hand before he walked to the front of the group, he knew you hated crowds and that was his way of offering a sliver of comfort.

When you got into the airport it was an absolute madhouse. People were swarming toward you to catch a glimpse of your boys, thankfully the security had easily managed to keep them at bay. You were between the boys and your team, taking the leading position among the staff behind them. When you got to the first check you were almost immediately passed through because you were with the large group. Next was security and the bane of your existence metal detectors. You took off your shoes and set your hat, necklace, rings, watch, and glasses into the small bin. Aurora immediately grabbed your hand and helped you navigate past all of the people in the vicinity. A couple of the staff had to do random security checks and you thanked god you didn’t have to. They most likely would have tagged you if you weren’t completely covered.

When it was your turn to go through the large metal detector you stepped in and it beeped that you were good to go. A sigh of relief made its way past your lips as you continued on and to your small bin. After getting everything back on you waited for your team to get through, they passed without a hitch and your large cart was rolled over to you. Forrest took it and stood there waiting until given the orders to go. Somehow you had made it in front of the boys. A staff member had started herding them toward the team and you were met with a couple of tiny smiles. You had to be careful of what you showed, you were completely surrounded by cameras. With a polite nod toward them you turned to where you could keep an eye on the head of staff.

Next was customs, while you were standing in the line you took out the passports and handed them to the team. Not too long after you got up to the woman who was checking your identity. With quick movements you took off your hat and mask so she could clearly see your face. She nodded to you and waved you on while handing you back your passport. The other three were through in a flash and you grouped up again to wait.

While you were adjusting your mask and hat you watched over everyone making sure that nothing was going awry; as you normally do after being a leader for so long. San and Wooyoung were leaning against each other, there were people still snapping pictures. The rest of your boys were scattered around and trying to get through everything as quickly as they could. Hongjoong looked as if he was looking for someone, he ran his eyes over all of your boys before turning toward where you were standing. His shoulders sagged when he caught sight of you waiting on him on the other side. Seonghwa briefly caught your eye and gave you a small nod and smile. All of the boys had made it through and you were waiting to move forward. Somehow all of you made it into a large circle and you were snickering while they acted like they were hyping everyone up. You took out your phone at the same time as Wooyoung did and took a picture of all of your feet.

When the remaining staff and security were through customs you got herded into the middle of the large group again and were off toward the terminal. When you got far enough down everyone seemed to relax, but something in you couldn’t quite do the same as the others.

“We will be doing a headcount about ten minutes prior to boarding so please keep an eye on the time if you go anywhere.” The woman opened the door to a designated waiting room for your large group. You were nodding along with everyone while she spoke. As soon as you made it past the door you sagged, that was something you don’t ever think you could get used to.

“You alright? You look a little pale.” You were met with cool blue eyes, Aurora.

“It was a lot, I think I just need to sit for a little bit.” You moved past her and slumped into a chair in the back corner of the room facing everyone. With a sigh you let your head rest against the wall, you left your mask and hat on, you didn’t really have the energy to remove them at this point. Your hands were immediately moving, you started to play with your rings; more specifically your moon phase spinny ring. You were spinning it with trembling hands and it wasn’t doing anything to completely calm the nerves that had crept up the back of your neck. You closed your eyes trying to focus on the feel of the ring that was spinning beneath your fingertips. Time passed, you couldn’t tell how much but you knew it was happening. You had fallen into that negative space between your mind and reality, there weren’t thoughts, just blank silence amongst the chaos surrounding you.

A set of large hands met your own, your eyes flew open, you jerked back and looked down to be met with Mingi who was looking at you with worry. He reached up and gently took off your hat and pulled down your mask. “Muse, you need to take a deep breath.”

Your eyes locked on his and your body came back to itself. Your breathing had picked up and your heart was hammering against your ribcage so violently you were surprised it hadn’t escaped. He offered his hand out to you and you immediately took it and started squeezing. “Breathe with me okay. In for four, hold for four, out for four.”

He had set an example and rested your hand over his chest so you could feel his heart and breathing. The mantra was being repeated while you tried to get a semblance of normal breathing back. Your lungs ached at this point, the panic attack nearly snuck up on you but he caught it before you spiraled. ”Willow went to get you something small to eat and drink. Will you be okay until she gets back?”

You gave Mingi a weak nod and he stood to his full height before stepping away toward Asher. With a look down you saw the small nail marks in your palm, you hadn’t even noticed you were clenching your hands so hard to warrant such marks. Not even a minute later Willow appeared in your line of sight, she was holding a water, a drink pack, and a huge cinnamon roll out to you. You accepted the gifts with a small nod of thanks and resituated yourself so you could eat and drink. You really hadn’t realized how much you slid down the seat until your low back met it again. You gently pushed your hair back away from your face and placed your hat on backwards so you could eat without getting your hair in your mouth.

“We’ve got you, no matter what. That was way too much being in the middle of everything, even for me.” You nodded at her and poured the flavor packet into your water before shaking it and then taking several gulps. When you had gotten down about half the bottle you set it to the side. Your hands were still trembling, opening the plastic container the cinnamon roll was in proved to be difficult. A set of ring-covered hands appeared in your line of sight, taking it from you and opening it without a problem before handing it back to you. You glanced up and met Mingi’s eyes again, he moved to kneel in front of you.

“Hi muse, are you doing okay? Feeling better?” You gave him a nod before starting to get into the cinnamon roll. “I talked to Asher about the entire thing, he said that it might be best that you go in with the other staff ahead of us instead of being with us in the middle of everything.”

“I think our team as a whole could benefit from that,” Willow had joined the conversation by sitting next to you and settling a hand on your knee in a comforting motion.

“We also wouldn't have to worry about our equipment in the throng of people either.” Forrest was looking back over his shoulder to the cart that had been pushed into the room alongside many of the other carry on bags.

“We can make arrangements with everyone to have that happen, that way it would be more like a normal airport visit for you ahead of the chaos that comes with us.”

“As long as she is comfortable with it we are in,” you glanced over to Aurora with a small smile, she was also a little shaken. You offered her your hand and she took it and gave it a squeeze.

“I think that would be best, I’m sorry. I know you most likely wanted me close so you could keep an eye on me.” Your voice came out scratchy from your previous ragged breathing.

“Your safety and their safety comes first, sure we would like to keep you close but if it is going to almost send you into a panic attack then we will deal with it.” He rested his hand on the knee Willow hadn’t taken. “I’m going to talk to the rest of the boys when they get back from wherever they went, honestly I don't know how they can go back out into it after being completely surrounded and almost overtaken.”

You gave him a grateful nod before covering your mouth and saying thank you. He stood back up and placed a quick kiss on your hairline. When he walked away Asher came toward the four of you with a professional mask. “We have arranged for you to come in earlier so you can avoid the mob, honestly knowing you I should have done that in the first place. Today was a trial run and we passed through most of it without a hitch. The biggest thing I wasn't expecting was the amount of people here to send them off, which is my mistake.”

“It’s alright love, because we hadn't done this before we didn’t know what to expect, we are more than happy to make adjustments to suit our team better.”

“Good, I will be sending one of my team members with you to make sure you get through okay with your equipment since I can't be there to keep an eye on you myself.” You smiled up at the man in front of you.

“Thank you, I hope it wasn't too much of a hassle.”

“Nonsense, nothing is too much of a hassle when it comes to making the people I care about feel better about their security.” You nodded again and turned back to your cinnamon roll. Most of it was gone and you hadn't even realized it. You set it into the chair Willow wasn't occupying before getting up and walking over to your carry on bag. With quick movements you pulled out your over the ear headphones. A couple of the staff watched you with worried looks, you gave them your best smile before walking back over to your spot. Your team understood your need to cover up all of the noise and focus on only one thing after being so overstimulated.

When your headphones were on you started one of your quieter playlists that consisted of mostly classical piano music and some lofi songs. The music floated through your ears and directly into your brain. Without a word you grabbed your cinnamon roll and continued eating. Aurora took the seat on the other side of you and rested against you. Forrest was grinning at the three of you before taking a picture of you lounging together. You felt your phone vibrate and checked your watch to see he had sent you the picture. The cinnamon roll was now gone and you pouted almost missing the sweet treat already. Forrest drive by snagged the trash from you and threw it away on his way to Asher. With a roll of your eyes you leaned back letting the music calm you along with the weight of your best friends on either of your shoulders.

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You were gently being shaken awake what only felt like seconds later. “They’re doing headcount and then we will be boarding.”

“Okay.” you rose from the seat you had been napping in and stretched. You caught the eyes of your boys and they gave you smiles which you returned to the best of your faking ability. When your team was called you raised your hand just like in elementary school while saying present. She nodded and marked her clipboard before motioning for you to head on out to the terminal. You followed the throng of people in front of you and grabbed your bags off the cart. You would have to carry them yourself to get them on the plane. You felt the heft of the bags and let them ground you into the moment.

A couple of minutes later you were being ushered into the large plane that had apparently been reserved for all of you. Forrest had taken the job of putting all of your equipment up in the overhead bins saying something along the lines of you shouldn’t overexert yourself. You took a seat on one side of the triple seats that were facing each other. Your team took the other side assuming that at least some of the boys would be joining you. Directly in front of you was Aurora, next to her was Willow, and Forrest was in the aisle seat. Your eyelids were getting increasingly heavy, apparently the lack of good sleep, no caffeine, and the panic from earlier was taking its toll on you. Your head was tilting to the side while you were trying to stay awake. Aurora offered you her neck pillow and you laughed lightly before accepting it and putting it around your neck.

You sat there just relaxing while waiting for everyone to get on the plane. Wooyoung had somehow made it in first and immediately sat next to you, Yeosang was right behind him and took the final seat of the six at your small alcove. You really should have protested, but you didn't have it in you to complain when Wooyoung took the neck pillow off of you and set it on the small table between everyone. He immediately had your head leaning on his shoulder and had pulled a blanket out of seemingly nowhere to drape it over you. When he was satisfied that you were cuddled up completely under the blanket he grabbed your hand and intertwined your fingers together under the table.

★☆☽ O ☾☆★

About two hours later you opened your eyes to the sun high in the sky. Willow and Aurora were leaning against each other snoozing and Forrest was animatedly chatting with Asher who was in the seat diagonal to him. Your boys were either snoozing on each other or scrolling on their phones. The weight of Wooyoung’s head was on yours so you tried not to move too much as you grabbed your phone. You spent some time aimlessly doomscrolling and then decided to post something small but fun.

You were smiling as you posted the pictures, something so fun without actually seeing the people you were with. A couple of minutes later Wooyoung had taken his head off yours to stretch himself out, you heard a grumble of protest from Yeosang. You snickered at them and both of their heads whipped over to you with smiles.

“Hi,” Wooyoung gave your hand a light squeeze. “Feel better sleepy?”

“Yeah, I think I just needed a nap.” You stretched yourself out and heard your back pop in protest. After you had gotten your bearings you reached down under your seat to grab your laptop out of your travel bag. When you booted it up you immediately connected to the wifi and started looking at everything you had to do. Wooyoung and Yeosang were craning to see what you were doing.

”Can we trade so both of us can watch?” You glanced over at Wooyoung and he was grinning at you. You agreed and the three of you stood up and resituated yourselves. Both of the men on either side of you leaned over to see what you were getting up to. On more than one occasion you were having to explain everything you were doing to them and the clueless looks were perpetual at that point.

After getting a couple of photoshop things done you moved to check on some of the things that you had done for them. Wooyoung was almost bouncing as he realized what you were doing. You had begun checking over the footage for their dance practice and editing it together. The biggest part was going to be picking and choosing what pieces to include. “I like that shot! Can we put it in the video, noona?”

You glanced over to Wooyoung who was pointing to a particular clip of the front of the room. Sure enough it was an amazing view of them while they were dancing through the choreography and you were filming in front of them. ”Sure Youngie, I’ll tag it and make sure it gets in there at your request.”

You clicked on the beginning of the time clip he was watching and bookmarked it and labeled it ‘Include for Woo’ the other three would most likely ask about it later but it’s fine. Most of the next hour continued that way, they had started critiquing themselves after watching it so many times with you. Before it could get out of hand you saved your work and started to trade to something different. You thought better of yourself and opened something you knew they would enjoy.

“What’s that Y/n-nie?” You were grinning at the folder you pulled up.

“It’s some of my past projects if you would like to see them.” Both of them froze and turned to look at you fully. You struggled being able to look at the two of them simultaneously so you just smiled and turned back to your computer. You pulled up some of your oldest pictures from college, the majority of which were either of cars or many miscellaneous places in Oregon. This was when you decided to be traveling around as much as you could between classes and playing the piano, it really showed in the pictures. You and your cousin Dahlia sometimes would go hiking and just soak in the wilderness and you would be taking pictures. You really missed seeing her, it has been too long since you spoke to her; and your aunt for that matter. You knew they still loved you and kept up with you but because of the time difference it was hard to stay in contact to say the least.

Both of the men were leaning their heads on your shoulders as you showed them some of the videos and pictures. They would chime in every once in a while when they really liked a photo, and you would smile and offer them more details about the shoot. The three of you were in your own world. “Yah! Wait, was that you strapped into the back of that car with the trunk open taking pictures?” (This is the person behind the inspiration!)

You had just scrolled past one of the shots your classmate took of you while you were out with her doing one of the lessons you had begged for. “Yeah, that’s how I got a lot of the car pictures. Our professor gave us the equipment and told us to go for it as an extra credit assignment seeing as most of the other people didn’t want to do it.”

”Wahh that’s awesome!” Wooyoung was leaning forward to investigate the picture further. You snickered and scooted the laptop toward him and he immediately took it and zoomed into the picture. “It’s weird seeing you without tattoos.”

“Ah, yeah.” You rubbed the back of your neck with a small smile. To be quite honest it was weird for you too, you looked so different then.

“No tattoos? Our Y/n-nie?” Heads started popping up from the seats behind you, it was as if Wooyoung summoned them with two words. Some of the boys had come around to stand in the aisle close to your table. Wooyoung had scooted the computer to show everyone else and you were met with a lot of teasing.

“This version of you looks so innocent, what happened?”

“It’s weird not seeing your arms being covered in ink.”

“I like this version of you, it’s like a prerelease for the more badass version.” You looked over to Mingi who didn’t seem to even understand what he said. The nine of you burst into giggles at him and he just started sulking.

“Y/n-nie, why did you choose to get tattoos?” Your eyes moved up to look at San who had turned around in his seat to see everything. His chin was on his arms while he leaned against the top of the headrest of your seat.

“Really the first one I got was a celebration and a fuck you to my dad. I got the camera one because I was going to be a photographer. But the fuck you to my dad was for three reasons. He didn’t want me to go into this field and adamantly refused to support me because he thought it was a waste of time. He didn’t think I would make it that far, or even graduate college because I was ‘too stupid’. And finally because he was one of those people that looked down on others when they had tattoos.”

“Well he’s too stupid.” The whisper of Yeosang while he crossed his arms beside you sent you into a fit of laughter. All of the boys in the vicinity echoed you; even Forrest and Asher. Your group was loud enough to wake Aurora and Willow and immediately after you noticed you slapped a hand over your mouth with wide eyes.

“Shhhhh go back to sleeeep” You were waving your hands in an attempt at a hypnotic motion trying to make them think they were dreaming. It didn’t do shit and they were now up and looking at all of you like you were crazy.

“What are you hooligans up to?” Willow yawned in the middle of her question while moving to sit upright.

“Sangie just called my father ‘too stupid’”

“He deserves that and so much worse. Well done Yeosang.” Aurora reached over the table and offered her hand in a sleep deprived attempt at a high five. Your lips tightened while he tentatively reached out and gave her a high five.

Most of the flight continued in the same way, your boys returned to their original seats and at one point you were having a conversation without even being able to see each other. Some time passed and you came up with an amazing idea, you got into your phone and started up your music app and created a 9 makes 1 team playlist. You handed it to the two next to you first and it eventually made its way to every one of your boys. It took forever to get back to you but when they were done there were at least a few hundred songs on it. You created an instagram groupchat and sent it to them there since messaging wouldn’t work this high in the air. The excitement rolled off of them in waves, and quite possibly a few squeals as well.

You settled your headphones over your ears again and turned on your new playlist. When you leaned back from the computer your boys immediately cuddled up to you the best they could in the airplane seats. The blanket wasn't quite big enough for all of you but you made due. Yeosang and Wooyoung both held your hands under the table and you were content as you leaned your head back from the headrest. This time you were adamant to get a few more hours of sleep before the impending landing in the states. It was going to be exhausting because it was your first tour but also because you knew it would bring back many memories, good and bad; especially in the coming days.

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amalthea-13 · 4 months ago

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The reason Blitz didn't want to harm the family isn't because "cheating is okay", but because Blitz was dealing with an internal conflict.

Firstly, the woman who came in there said:

Karen Client: I can't stand the idea of my fucking ex-husband enjoying this sacred holiday with my daughters when he fucking left me for another man!

[This story awfully resembles Stolas' situation. He tries to fight back tears, but is failing to do so. Blitzo tries to deflect the client's issue.]

Blitzo: Oh, well, *nervous laugh* Tha-tha-that sounds like something that can happen from time to time.

Karen Client: And he probably CHEATED on me!

Now I may not have graduated from college yet, but the word "probably" means: "insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected : without much doubt" (Meriam Webster Dictionary)

Sure it is a logical conclusion we could go to, but without proper evidence and a clearly biased narrator we do not know for a fact if the man cheated. Now Lil' Miss Karen here mirrors a particular character we are already aware of;

Karen mimics Stella's character on purpose, same as why the family in the window mirrors the faux family Stolas and Blitz have in their minds. It's supposed to be a difficult thing for Blitz to grapple with.

With how this woman acts, it isn't a farfetched idea she is a Christian or religious person of sorts who got married to this dude and was mean to him, but now she is bitter he is living a decent life!

HUH WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE- ALMOST LIKE STELLA WHO CALLED A LITERAL ASSASSIN ON STOLAS-

There is a reason this particular case was written to mirror Stolas's situation. It was to reflect to Blitz and Stolas that their story isn't going to have this happy ending fairytale they dreamed of.

That this happy ending cannot be the reality. However, Blitz realizes he doesn't want to stop believing in this possible future. Therefore, morally and internally he cannot kill these people. He can't rob them the way he and Stolas have been robbed, it's not right.

The man in the window probably didn't cheat on his wife, and even if he did he didn't need to pay for it with his life!? His daughters didn't need to go fatherless for the sake of punishing a man, that's just an asinine line of thinking.

Also, on the NOTE of cheating, this show doesn't perpetuate that cheating is okay. Trust me, as a kid of divorce with a similar situation to Stolas's, what he did was NOT cheating because as Stolas said during Western Energy;

Stolas: Andrealphus, cheating implies there was a betrayal. This woman never gave two shits about me or our very much arranged marriage. As far as I'm concerned, this divorce is far overdue.

Cheating is a betrayal, and the man in that window more than likely was in an identical situation for Stolas. He left a toxic and terrible marriage for someone who treats him with respect. That's not cheating, that's choosing yourself and loving yourself enough to leave a dangerous situation.

Also Blitz didn't "develop a moral compass". He would have gone through with the kill, the fucker isn't the sentimental type, but the situation was to close to home. It was to soon after everything awful that had just happened in Mastermind. It was just not a good time to handle this case.

Millie went on this entire tirade about their jobs because she has a bloodlust. Not tryna be that guy, but that woman is insane in the most badass way possible. Millie can separate herself from the kill and so can Blitz, but sometimes in your job and career you will have an off day and this was Blitz's.

Also this faux rhetoric of yours that you think the show is saying "oh he's gay and a man so it's okay for him to cheat" is completely false. We don't even know for sure if the man did cheat. She simply says he left her for another man, but she was not certain 100% that he cheated.

She tacked it on, in my opinion, to be more dramatic and make people pity her.

And I can confirm she is the dramatic type bc I just rewatched the clip. She is just a bitter person and wants all the pity to be on her, just like Andrelphus paints Stella as an innocent lamb.

Seriously, do ya'll watch the show!?

I swear, this newest episode of Helluva is just the perfect example of how Viviziepop can’t let men face consequences. Millie was right, they have a job to do. The guy cheated, but it’s ok because he’s gay and he’s a man! Because suddenly Blitz has a moral compass about who to kill. And, of course, the woman who was the victim of the cheating had to be an absolute bitch who everyone hates. Because of fucking course.

#helluva boss #stolas x blitz #stolas

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kidmachinate · 2 years ago

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Why I'll Never (Fully) Embrace My Culture

I will never (fully) embrace my culture. Never. People can call me a hardhead for this and/or say it isn't all like that…and you would be correct. However, when certain things happen in life, they shape you as a person or influence how you feel. Especially when it is trauma based. What I also want to say is that other ethnic backgrounds can have their own fair share of stubbornness. It isn't fair to just pick on Spanish culture. I understand all this. This is personal and how I feel. If you resonate with this and can apply it to another ethnic background, a person, a job, the usual things, you'd probably feel this way too. You should also consider parting ways with it.

From a young age it was always mostly seen but not heard. I'm also aware people had it way worse. I also however, always had this thought, children are seen but not heard. That sounds bad on paper, doesn't it? For me, it isn't about not being as fortunate as others. Everyone works on different incomes and my folks did well to keep up even when struggling. Thanks for the lessons. It's when what always seemed like a bad expression of how to treat a child started bleeding into bigger things. Work ethic must be a certain way. You have to dress a certain way. You have to ignore your emotions entirely and push forward. That's not normal. Claiming to have an open door policy on talking and then shutting down every concern or suggestion with the equivalent to hearing "it's gonna be okay" when they damn well know it isn't or may even be the cause of the problem is disingenuous. It doesn't leave a good feeling. It leaves you abandoned and unheard. It makes you feel like something is wrong with your mind. You get depressed or anxious. You get a tutor in place of the mental health benefits of a therapist. You're always on guard or don't know how to let someone in. If you get yelled at or have a meeting with an authority figure in a manner that feels like the principals office…well…you might even cry. Not because anything bad is actually going to happen, unless of course it does…which makes it worse. You get that reminder that what you did or said wasn't good enough and the explanation as to why comes down to non factual statements. This is how I did it so it is the only way. You must drive at this speed. You just threw up your food but you should have it anyway because it is good for you. What you did was good but it wasn't what we talked about so don't dare do that again. This kind of relationship gets toxic very quickly. Why am I being yelled at right now? I did exactly what you wanted. Chances are they wanted something else but didn't share it...but admitting to that would be admitting fault. Elders always know best, right?

There's a certain stubbornness to Spanish culture and I just can't get behind it. Maybe we don't need to find random objects to just beat the shit out of our kids with? Have we stopped to consider that? Probably not. Our parents did it to us, so we've gotta do it to our kids too, right? To make sure they are "raised right" in your eyes. Give me a damn break. Workplaces swearing you need to come into the office when you can damn well do that job from home. Micromanaging to make up for the lack of being able to actually manage anything and just want to make sure the team that may or may not be trained or trained very little makes you look good…but get mad at them if they don't do it to expectations as well.

As I say all this, maybe I should be more forgiving and take my own advice…but I'd be lying if I pretended that at least to some extent that this wasn't how I lived and in some ways was conditioned to. It's really just being closed minded in general. So maybe I should be nicer about it…unless this rang true for you and how you've treated your peers. In which case, stay the hell away from me. I've lived that life and the occasional person or workplace forces me to go back. I try my hardest to avoid it.

#culture #spanish #closed minded #acceptance #mental health #traditions

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37sqrt2 · 2 years ago

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Dominant Blade and Fist is a perfect event to me but i understand how it can feel confusing and regressive(?) if you haven't kept up with the Akatsuki stories, and it probably would've benefited from a chapter where Souma and Keito do the stuff they talk about in the end.

A really, unfortunately common sentiment is that Souma and Kuro are being held back/used by Keito, and that Keito becoming involved is a negative, because he can get overprotective and controlling, but it's never been as simple as that. Never trust the enstars unreliable narrator, especially Kuro Kiryu, in this particular story.

The thing about Kuro Kiryu, is that he... Self-harms in a way. When he feels hopeless and depressed, he digs a deeper hole to die in. He becomes sacrificial, resentful and pessimistic.

The vibes are so rancid that they replicate the ones that the audience in Kanatas execution.

Kuro is absolutely right when he monologues about his dependency on Keito. It's true that to an extent, they've still been letting Keito do the heavy lifting in terms of unit proposals.

However, the one time he tries to help out, his outfits end up becoming the critical weakness.

He's not good enough, Akatsuki isn't good enough. This is like. Factual. They cannot compete with full on traditional performers, and traditional idols. They're starting at the bottom.

Unfortunately, this is a lot for Kuro, who gets stuck in his own head, to bear. He immediately sticks himself in an extreme line of thinking. That his dependence on Keito is a complete weakness and flaw,

And once again, while this is true to an extent, it isn't to the extremes that Kuro is seeing it.

And well, He avoids Keito because Keito would tell him as much. (Unfortunately, Hasumi is right again lol. You can't take on the burdens of the world on your own, Kiryu!)

Instead, Kuro turns to Souma, another person that Keito 'protects'. He asks Souma, isn't it unfair that Hasumi does all the thinking?

And... Souma is inclined to agree! I mean, he's being left out of the unit conflict and proposals.

However, one thing about Souma

He LOVES akatsuki. He loves when all three of them perform, side by side. And he recognizes, when Kuro relays his plan, that Kuro is self-destructing.

I mean, if it wasn't obvious that Kuro's plan is a form of self-deprecating it should be via the references to the Ryuuousen, and the fact that it's centered on making a power grab, regressing to their old platform at Yumenosaki.

He's going to villainize himself, take all the blame, so that Akatsuki can regain their 'power'. And they'll do it WITHOUT Keito, to protect Keito, to prove themselves.

But... Souma can't let that happen. Because it would mean the end of the Akatsuki he loves.

So he fights to protect Akatsuki, for three whole days, he does nothing but dodge and take hits, not even fighting back, until Kuro is exhausted.

When he wins, he brings Keito back into the picture. And they still go through with Kuro's plan, but they do it together, with the goal of trying new things, using Yumenosaki as grounds for experiments, having fun.

And at the end of it, Kuro is able to come to terms with the fact that he's not 'perfect', and that he's going to make mistakes. But he won't stop fighting and let himself fall. He'll be reborn through his struggles.

And he wants Keito and Souma right there with him. To watch him grow into someone he can be proud of.

Because at the end of the day, they're barely adults. And it's not fair to expect them to be the Best. They have to become okay with the process of learning their ABCs.

And MOST IMPORTANTLY. That they're there for eachother, to rely on, to work together with. With Keito's help, they were able to rework the plan into something that allowed them more freedom than they agency ever granted. And Keito also held back and let them take charge.

Akatsuki is a three person unit! It's always been! It's a three person unit of three people that have shouldered so much responsibility, have had to mature so fast,

Learning their ABCs all over again, with eachother :) akatsuki iroha uta

#enstars #ensemble stars #kuro kiryu #keito hasumi #souma kanzaki #sqrambles

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rametarin · 2 years ago

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I have some minor complaints about this

Firstly, the vast majority of the COVID deaths in the US were coming from people over the age of 60. And most of those, people in their 80s. And the obese. If you were old AND have pulmonary/respiratory problems, there's not really a whole lot that could be done to save you. That 3,000 deaths a day figure is misleading and uncharitable.

Secondly, the damage to infrastructure and personnel from targeted malicious explosions is worse and more intelligent and dynamic than dealing with a virus, and allowed to propagate on its own, Islamo-fascism does just that.

Thirdly, you can bomb mafioso estates and suddenly end targeted attacks and guerilla warfare for generations. As proof, I point to the fact there's no Nazi Germany anymore. You can't make viruses extinct so easily. Whatever ones feelings on Islamo-fundamentalist terror waging guerilla wars on southeast Asia and the rest of the Middle East, it is objectively true global jyhad was and still very much is a thing, and was not going away.

9/11 was not devastating solely because it killed a few thousand people and then the debris caused health issues. 9/11 was a problem because it was an organized terrorist attack against a structure that you aren't supposed to be big enough to antagonize like this without your entire culture and way of life vaporizing. It's one thing for a religious organization to sweep in and take over a sleepy little hamlet somewhere and subjugate the entire population to their religious authorities and organizational tyranny. It's another to do it to a society that has an organized military force and the right and means to turn your castle to glass and your very identity into a memory.

If it helps, imagine if an American megachurch decided to.. oh. I don't know.. carry out January 6th, but this time actually use weapons and actually had a ready made religious imperative and structure, rather than a flash mob, with the ACTUAL intent on taking over the country in their name of their god, culture and structure and social order. That's what the world was facing, at the time. A dirt poor initiative and will and determinism to impose their way of life and morals and the language of Islam on all that were not.

The US government can't do anything about people getting old, and has a very difficult time keeping them from getting obese if they're dead set on making themselves obese. It can, however, solve a problem of insurgency with a few well placed explosives and end ambitions of things like ISIS/ISIL from seizing and holding power for long.

People that have determined they want to kill you in an organized way because you won't carry their beliefs in your heart, subjugate your systems of government and supplant them with their own parallel governments based on their religious authorities, are a different enemy altogether from an illness you get by not social distancing and washing your hands. Which may or may not have been a targeted bio-terrorism weapon designed from the start to be a source of economic destruction. And just because you aren't seeing the deaths at home from Islamic religious terrorism quite the way it's happening across Asia and Africa, doesn't mean it isn't taking place and didn't deserve confronting.

Also that sneer towards oil companies; You know who consume petroleum products? People. You know who consume a lot of petroleum products? Sick people, old people. They need more things to continue existing. That means they need other people to provide those things. That means if there's a global pandemic, oil companies see to lose more in sales by loss of customers than they'd gain by whatever ventures they profitted from during Iraq and Afghanistan. This meme about how US oil companies just went in and slurped up or monopolized Iraqi oil is factually wrong. For some reason this meme about dirty capitalists and oil (which Soviet and then Russian chemical energy moguls seem to avoid stigma from, despite being the next biggest sources for these fuels) seems to suggest they're smart enough to take over and steal other peoples resources but somehow not intelligent enough to know pandemic deaths mean greater lost profits than the benefits of an illegal war. Suggesting mindless evil, solely by how much that doesn't make sense.

9/11 makes less sense if you think the tragic thing about it was just the thousands of people that died from the initial attack and ignore what the brazenness of running up to the biggest source of certain death and destruction for getting too uppity and tyrannical in the area and punching them in the face. That was a sign that absolutely no expense or pragmatic limit was considered by the Islamo-fascists. It meant they would not stop and were willing to carry out any kind of brutal inhumanity imaginable, regardless of whether they could be opposed and destroyed or not. That the enemy was not reasonable, and would not accept anything less than total victory at any acceptable loss.

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eolewyn1010 · 3 years ago

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Newspaper article for a change! Lucy is up and about, minus one (1) immortal soul, plus an urge to drink the blood of several little children. Charming. I bet Renfield is dying from envy. So far, she hasn't killed any, but she lures or takes them away from their way home and nips a bit before letting them go. Clever of her to take very young children who can't give much detail beyond "there was a bloofer lady" (which I've read elsewhere means "beautiful lady", and I'll run with it). I think it's funny that they suspect a dog of biting the children, what with Dracula's doggo days... Not so funny is that Lucy is not all that concerned with how weakened she leaves the kids. Can't be long before she takes it too far.

Mina is meeting van Helsing. Beforehand, she tells her journal and us that she wants to learn more about Lucy's last days in this life, but also can't get Jonathan's journal out of her head and hopes some light can be shed on his experiences. What a neat concidence. Stoker, your characters are not clairvoyant. Then Mina allows us the tiniest look into her actual emotions - stress over all the shit that's been going down, nervousness over having let her still-not-all-that-well Jonathan out of sight for the first time since they married, grief for all her losses, confusion about the journal, guilt for feeling she hasn't done enough for Lucy and Mrs. Westenra - and has a good cry. God, don't I sympathize.

And... it was all about Jonathan after all. Well, at least Mina has a ton more words to feel sorry for him rather than for Lucy once her meeting with van Helsing is over. Not to speak of dedicating an entire paragraph to the latter's goddamn looks. Mina, I do know that a head is typically to find on the neck (and if not, it's probably Dracula's fault). And with the phrenology again. Anyway. Van Helsing asks for a full report on Lucy's somnambulism adventures; Mina takes the opportunity to brag about her shorthand, but once he's appropriately impressed, she tells him all that happened and they have lunch together. Van Helsing insta-crushes on Mina, can't blame him, and drops this queer-dreamy bit: "I [...] who have studied all my life men and women", so Ace Abe is officially Bi Abe now. He inquires about Jonathan, Mina pours her heart out, and Stoker gets in the obligatory sexism about how there are "still good women left who make life happy" (go suck on a blood blister, Stoker; I'd make you miserable on purpose!) and that Mina must take care of herself solely to keep Jonathan happy. I'm not having a good day to be graceful about this bullshit.

However, I'm here for Mina admitting to van Helsing that what she's about to tell him of Jonathan's misadventures is "queer". Heh, it sure is. I refuse to let go of this joke. Van Helsing gets the type-written copy of Jonathan's travel account, having promised Mina not to wave off all the weird stuff as foolishness. He asks Mina to see Jonathan on a date with him the other day after he has read through everything she has given him, and that very same evening, he sends her a brief note, confirming everything Jonathan has lived through as true. FINALLY! I think that's the first factual statement van Helsing made regarding this! Can we stop talking in "I have to be sure"s and vague speculations yet? He's also majorly impressed by Jonathan's sheer brainless balls on having survived Castle Dracula, having escaped from there, and having whacked the sleeping Count with a shovel. That's the type of guy who's immune to long-term PTSD! Trust van Helsing on that matter; the man's a doctor. Mina is relieved for half a minute that Jonathan is not hallucinating hardcore, then realizes the implications of Dracula being a goddamn reality just over in London. She invites van Helsing to drop by for breakfast as soon as Jonathan has come back next morning. I assume she wants to tether the polycule back together, now that the Lucy glue is missing.

#Dracula Daily #hope we hear more of the bloofer Lady #also Mina and van Helsing. the braincells have met

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whats-my-newest-obsession · 5 years ago

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I NEED MY ANTI-LARRIES, LARRIES, HARRIES, LOUIES, AND EVERY OTHER GROUP INVOLVED WITH THIS GOD FORSAKEN SHIP TO PLEASE GATHER AROUND UNDER A FLAG OF TRUCE!

I ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO HEAR ME OUT, REMEMBER ASSUMPTIONS WILL BE KEPT OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!

So I'm sure you guys have looked at us Larry shippers like we are completely delusional. Even I have been blown away at the reaches some shippers will make. I can't really blame you for being skeptical, but I want you to understand why there is such a vast majority of us that doesn't think the idea of Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson secretly being in a relationship or have in the past is an all that crazy idea.

(Please take note I'm going to be as FACTUAL and as REALISTIC as possible using the GIVEN FACTS I already have.)

Why do you think Harry and Louis are together?

I'm keeping this portion extremely small as it can be annoying to look at, but I just want to show some weird things us fans have noticed between the two that caused all the research I'm about to show you. (THERE WON'T BE MORE THAN THREE LITTLE SNIPPETS I PROMISE, ALL THREE BEING COMPLETELY RESPECTFUL TO THE TWO OF THEM)!!!

Now this video does actually exist on the internet today (I'll leave a link) and it does arise some questions. It seems a little strange to answer yes to this question while looking completely serious, especially since the dating rumors were already in full blast at the time. All things considered, it really just doesn't make sense.

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This tweet can definitely be explained. Louis could have gotten hacked that day. But the weird thing is, is that the tweet still exists on his Twitter account today and has picked up quite a bit of noise (being the 4th most retweeted tweet in history). Again, I'll leave a link so you can access it.

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Harry deliberately turned his entire body to face Louis and sung a very romantic line, neither of them laughing or trying to make a joke of it. Some people claim they hear "I'm in love with Lou" and "All his little things" which is entirely based off of ear so I'll let you decide. Unexplainable at best. Link:

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How realistic can a situation like this actually be?

The thought of two boys who are both gay/bi/other being put into the same band and just happen to want to be together is already a pretty crazy thought to have, now add the theory that their wealthy and incredibly professional management team wants to cover up any remnants of an ongoing relationship between the two of them who also happen to be in a worldwide successful music group entirely appealing to the female audience and the thought has basically become an unrealistic fantasy.

But it's happened before.

I'm sure you've heard of the Irish pop band Westlife, who also have very impressive record sales. 13 major releases, 11 of which are albums, over 1,000,000 subscribers on YouTube, have sold over 55 million records worldwide, and over 550,000,000 streams on Spotify. Their achievements range from Top Album Sales of the 2000s in the UK to holding the Guinness World Record for 'First to Achieve Seven Consecutive Number One singles in the UK'.

But the most important resemblance this band has to One Direction is that they were signed by Simon Cowell, and Louis Walsh became their manager. They were signed with a Sony BMG company, very similar to One Direction's.

Little known fact about one of the old Westlife members Mark Feehily who later left the band, is that he is gay. He got engaged to a male British Fashion Photographer without any public awareness. In fact, everyone seemed to believe he was straight, as he was 'dating' women at the time.

The band has come out and said that while being signed under Louis, they suffered mistreatment and relationship cover ups.

I would highly recommend reading the article, the band members talk a lot about being forced to keep a squeaky clean image for the ladies and they even warned One Direction that they had a storm coming being signed under Simon. (X)

I understand that Mark and his ex fiance's situation was different than Harry and Louis' but it proves that the entire corporation Simon Cowell and his team run is not afraid to cover things up if necessary.

So even if this conspiracy is true, how would Sony realistically cover something like this up?

For the record, you can't count on me to understand what goes on in celebrities lives' especially when it comes to image management. I tried my best to do as much research as possible and get reliable sources, but this is a tough one to answer.

One thing that's true is that Hollywood has been proven to use fake relationships to boost Public Relations and create drama within the celebrity gossip world. These are called 'PR stunts'. While there aren't many celebrities who have come out and told the public that the relationship they were in wasn't actually real, a Hollywood publicist Jack Ketsoyan has exposed PR stunting in all it's entirety:

Many fans have long suspected that relationships Louis and Harry have been in were actually just stunts to hide the fact the two of them were together, specifically Elounor (Louis and Eleanor Calder). While the reasons these fans believe this doesn't seem logical, they also directly correlate with what Jack says defines a PR stunt:

Link to the article: (X)

So PR stunting is nothing new in Hollywood apparently. Now if Larry Stylinson is true, this would be a really good way to cover it up.

Why would Harry and Louis agree to this?

Life is very different nowadays then it was ten years ago. Gay marriage in the United States wasn't even legal until after One Direction disbanded. Homophobia was still extremely rampant in 2010, it wouldn't have been a good idea to announce that two boys in an incredibly famous band were actually gay and with each other.

It wouldn't be just about record sales. The band had a reputation of being girl loving and constantly available. Statistics show that 80% of One Direction's fan base was female. This is not saying that every single fan was a teenage girl who lived and dreamed about being with a One Direction member, but it was enough of them to build a brand around.

Even now, actors and singer still shy away from coming out immediately. There are still a lot of people who don't support it, and that kind of hatred, especially to somebody young, can be detrimental to their mental health.

Conclusion:

This post was NOT made to make you a Larry shipper. This was post was also NOT made to start a debate in the comments or through reblogs on wether or not Harry and Louis have/had something more than friendship.

This post was however made by a TIRED Larry shipper who just wants you to know that we are not crazy, or delusional, or even stupid to believe that this situation can be entirely realistic based on the circumstances

If you've made it this far, let me know in the comments if I've changed your viewpoint on us shippers or if this post opened your eyes a little on the secret mistreatment of celebrities.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this, you are an absolute legend! TPWK!

-Andrea xx

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v2beauty · 5 years ago

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No Conspiracy Minded But Something Ain’t Right-Worth Reading

*~5G NETWORK IS THE MAIN PROBLEM* *CREATED BY PROPONENTS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER (ANTICHRIST)* ● Revealed By A Former Executive Of Vodafone Telecommunications Company, Newbury England. This article may be long but it is a must read for those who wish to survive these evil days. What is really occurring with this Coronavirus? This is going to be difficult for people to accept. But let me tell you categorically, factually and scientifically, Coronavirus is not the problem. It is questionable whether it is even a contagious disease in the contest of a disease that is spreading from person to person. What we are seeing are symptoms of a virus. What we are not aware of is the what is causing those symptoms. This has nothing to do with biological warfare or any other kind of stuff you might be hearing about on the internet. Those are lies spread to distract us from the truth. What you see is the bodies of people reacting to what is known as radio spectrum radiation or radio frequency radiations. I know that sounds bizarre. But let me tell you scientifically what is happening and then I will tell you contextually why it is happening. I will also tell you what we can do about it. *Origin And Cause of Coronavirus* Globally, I was the head of the largest business unit at Vodafone Telecommunications Headquarters at Newbury England between 2013 - 2015. I was privy to a number of the new technologies that was coming in the pipe, that was going to be implemented. Namely, the internet of things and secondly, the 5G technology. I knew a long time ago that 5G was dangerous, but I didn't understand the corelation with the Coronavirus, which I now do. And I want to explain that to you. What is happening now is that there is a deliberate strategy to install the 5G Network, which is the 5th generation internet radio spectrum frequencies that enables mobile phones, smart phones and all devices to function at much faster processing ability. And with the introduction of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and the internet of things where all devices will be connected, whether it is your car, phones, refridgerator, electricity, etc; your house is all going to be on the smart grid. This is effectively a type of matrix, unfortunately. So what is happening is that this technology has to be rolled out globally. The company I use to work for and running their largest worldwide business unit is Vodafone. Vodafone are in partnership with Huawei a Chinese Telecommunications company. They have been rolling out a systematic implementation of the 5G Network in multiple locations around the world. What is the relevance of this 5G frequency they are using? I also ran my own Telecommunications company that specialized in radio spectrum with this ability to take external signals from satellites into buildings. So that the frequency on the building and the power you experience on your phone inside your house is the same as you experience outside the building. When mobile networks were created initially, they thought people would be using it only when they are on the road. That's why they were called mobile phones. But actually people use their mobile phones inside their houses, where the signals were not strong enough to penetrate the buildings. This is called radio spectrum. There are different megahertz frequencies and the 5G frequency is a very high frequency. Infact, it is just below the classification of a weapon. And I will tell you why. The 5G frequency is 10 times faster than the 4G. Unfortunately when the 5G comes into connection with the human body, it causes cell poisoning. So our bodies try to fight the radiations that is in the form of cell poisoning caused by this 5G frequency radiation. As a result, our bodies excrete the toxins with some proteins, DNA and RNA from our cells in the form of a chemical which is called "virus". Most disease are also excretion from cells that we are trying to push out of our body and they will exit through the orifices of the body. Now what is happening is that the 5G frequency and power, which like I said is 10 times stronger than the 4G is reacting adversely with human cells in our bodies by poisoning them. And as a result our natural defence mechanism the human body is pushing out that toxin which comes out in the form of a virus. So what you are seeing happening to people in most parts of the world is not any Coronavirus per se, but cell poisoning caused by 5G frequency, manifesting with fluids, chemicals and viruses that the body is trying to dispose off because it is harmful to it. So all these are occurring around the world and I hear your mind thinking how could that be possible. I will explain. Like I said, all that is occurring in the world now is a reaction of human bodies to the electrification of the universe to the 5G satellites, 5G Towers and 5G Cells that have populated major cities around the world. This is what is causing the pandemic. The scam called Coronavirus is the largest global cover-up in history. In actual fact, what the world is experiencing now is the impact on human beings caused by technological advancement. So what is happening is not Coronavirus, but a virus produced by body cell poisoning which is really a measure of affected cells excreting toxins caused by exposure of the body to 5G ultra high frequency. This is what is killing people. I will give you some facts that will hopefully make you to understand what am trying to say here. *Why Did Coronavirus Start In Wuhan China?* One of the first cities Vodafone, Huawei and some other telecoms companies installed some of the ubiquitous blanket technology is Wuhan China, where this so-called Coronavirus supposedly started in a fish market. That is complete nonsense. The truth is that it started as a result of the ultra high radioactive or radio frequency creating radiations that was toxic to the human cells. That's why people were falling over and dying in the streets, etc. So they were trying to cover it up. And because it has a fluid type characteristic, they are using the fake story of a Coronavirus to try and hide the true fact that people are dying from the ultra high 5G frequency. Note that when installed, it takes over 6 months before the 5G frequency can start impacting on the human cells, and that is what happened in Wuhan. There are other major cities that also rolled out the 5G Network last year. Obviously, Wuhan was the first city, then Spain rolled out 5G, Italy also rolled out 5G, etc. Now we are seeing an uncommon level of deaths because of the high level 5G penetration in these countries. Italy has had more deaths than any other country because it is densely populated with 5G and the older generation doesn't have the strong immune system to fight it. So Italy has rolled it out, Spain has rolled it out, most major cities have rolled it out around the world. In countries, London is one of the biggest CCTV centers and obviously they are in the process of rolling out 5G. What is the relevance of all these? The relevance is that the Coronavirus is not what is killing people now. It is clearly, categorically, unequivocally and scientifically proven that the radio frequency that these people are being exposed to is what is killing them. *Agenda Behind The Installation Of The Ultra High 5G Network Frequency* Why they are allowing all these people to die is because of their multiple agendas. Primarily because the 5G is the only network with the speed to handle the future and where we are going rapidly is a world run by Artificial Intelligence (AI), the internet of things where everything is interconnected on the internet. A new global currency is coming out, that is why I have been pushing for what I have been pushing for the last 5 years for Africa to create it's own system of currency, to combat what was coming. In addition, there will also be driverless cars and a number of different gadgets that basically need to run on 5G. All these are in line with what the Book of Daniel 12:4 said that in the last days, knowledge shall be increased. Do you know we are already in those last days? Based on this, they can't reverse the implementation of these technologies and they are happy to sacrifice millions of lives around the world to Satan in order to get them running. Just to prove the point further, the Cruise ships were installed with 5G and the people quarantined on those Cruise ship were getting sick because of the 5G. Some hospitals have 5G, major cities have 5G, airports have 5G, and these are places where people will automatically get sick if they are exposed to the inordinate levels of radiation caused by 5G radio spectrum poisoning. *Origin Of The 3 Pandemics of The Last Century* We have had 3 Pandemics in the last 120 years. The first pandemic was in 1918 which was called the Spanish Flu Pandemic. However, that pandemic was caused as a result of their implementing radio waves globally and increasing electrification of our universe. Millions of people died 6 months later as a result of the pandemic the called Spanish Flu. A few years later and after World War 2, another pandemic broke out which was caused by the implementation of radar equipment. During that period also, global satelites where launched to what they call the Van Allen Belt in space. This is basically where they send satellites. When that was implemented, there were a number of deaths from a pandemic. The last major pandemic was in 1968 which was called the Hong Kong Flu. This also broke out when they rolled out another level of satellite penetration in the Van Allen Belt, where over 100,000 satellites were transmitting radar signals to radar fields in the cosmic field. These were satelites that were pushing telecommunications and radio communication. So we had radio waves first at the beginning of the century and then the implementation of radar equipment and telecommunications satelites. All these caused pandemics that killed multiple millions of people. The last one like I said was in 1968. So guess what is happening now. They have rolled out 5G and this is impacting on people's lives. Killing thousands around the world and they are covering it up in the name of Coronavirus, like they did with previous pandemics. This is a fact. Please go and do your own research on this. Study 5G and the implications of its implementation. And just to help you further, one of the countries, which is a huge country that has millions of people with cold weather, which is Russia has had no fatalities in the area of the so-called Coronavirus, why? This is because they have not implemented 5G on a public use yet. They have only implemented it for the exclusive use by the military, hence they have had no deaths. To prove the point further, you are seeing in the news now that people without underlying health issues or compromised immune systems are now falling sick and dying of Coronavirus. That makes no sense. The reason they are dying is because of the 5G radiation which doesn't discriminate between the old and young. Both succumb to the power of 5G radiation. This is the fact of what is really happening. This is part of their strategy because of the importance of 5G and this is a global phenomenon that can not be reversed. So please understand that there is a lot more information I can give you. But please do your own research as there are alot of articles on the impact of 5G on the internet. *Coronavirus Is Not Contagious* However, the true fact is that this Coronavirus is not contagious. What they are doing is spreading it to people via the tests and supply of contaminated face masks etc. We are aware of news about millions of face masks supplied by China to most European countries which were recalled as they were found to be useless and possibly contaminated. Now it has been said that those masks have been redirected to African countries of which Nigeria is the major recipient. So when one goes for Coronavirus test, it gives them opportunity to get them contaminated with the virus. This is because they want to cover up for the millions of people who die from the excessive radio frequency radiation of 5G. It is certain that hundreds of millions of people will die as a result of the 5G implementation and the Coronavirus vaccines. However this is in fulfilment of the Book of Revelations 6:8 which prophesied that this pandemic will wipe out one fourth of the population of the earth. This includes people in cities exposed to the ultra high frequency 5G Network and those that will accept the contaminated Coronavirus vaccines. *Secret Purpose Of The 5G Network Frequency* So the question is, where is this going and why are they doing this? We now know the technological reasons behind the 5G. They need it for a robust, scalable, fast and capable internet that can handle the professing of information about all of your movement, journeys, banking transactions, identification, CCTV camera monitoring of activities around the world, etc. They need visibility on what everyone is doing. But the primary reason is beyond that. What they are doing which is luciferic and satanic, is that they are implementing 3 new strategies which are: 1) Vaccines 2) RFID chips 3) Global Digital Currency. *1) Vaccines* The vaccines contain toxins. One thing about vaccines is that they give your body some part of the virus. Also in that vaccine also contains chemicals that lights you up effectively to respond even more powerfully to the radioactive signals. So it's a bit like chemotherapy or radiotherapy. What they inject in your system enables the cells of your body to be destroyed. The Coronavirus vaccine will consist of a substance that will enable the frequency of 5G to be more effective in causing more deaths. What you are witnessing around the world now is that they are buying time to build capacity for the hospitals, warehouse and all the places they are going to convert into huge morgues to house the millions of people that are about to die. But God has a plan. So you don't need to worry. God has not given us the spirit of fear but of power, love and of a sound mind. No weapon formed against us shall prosper. So please know that this is a weapon that is being formed, but it shall not prosper against God's people. I will tell you why. You may not be aware that humans are electromagnetic beings. I know that sounds a bit weird. But we have electric circuits; our nervous system is really a complex network of wiring that our masterful Creator created us to have. So brain signals, nerve signals, information that travels down the body that tells you to move, sneeze, fight disease, etc are created by electrical circuitry that is in our body. The electrical circuitry then creates chemistry or chemicals, different types of chemicals, that we react to when we eat and do different things. Human beings are predominantly made up of water and it is the physical mass of the body that houses everything. But ultimately, we are an electric circuit. We react to frequency, respond to vibrations and electromagnetic energy such as gamma rays, infrared rays, etc, which are visible. Other visible rays are ultra violet rays and the visible light. So that's one part. The other part is charged particles like electrons, protons, etc. I won't go into that now. But roundabout our universe, we are given a capacity by God to cope with these natural forces of energy running around the system. What is the relevance of this? These frequencies affect our sense of well-being. How can we combat, because all of these emit frequencies; our heart, mind, etc all emit frequencies. So what we Christians refer to as anointing, fire of God, might, power, spirit, etc can all be scientifically proven by the electrification of our beings that the regenerative atmosphere affect us. Whenever we gather for worship and prayers, there is a level of spiritual energy which we call the Holy Ghost which is a physical energy than can be felt. I won't dwell much on this for now. However, the game plan is to create a new order. Unfortunately, we are now in the era of the New World Order which has commenced. This is why for the past 5 years I was pushing my economic model with presidents in Africa to give them an alternative digital currency and economic model than can sustain them; independent of the World Bank and the New World Order controlled by the 1% of the 1% global elites. Now what are they doing? Already in the news today, there is announcement of the Coronavirus vaccines that will soon be made available. Like I said earlier, there will be three developments, the first is the vaccines, which will have catastrophic impact on our physical being when exposed to the radioactive radiation. Now the second is the Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip. *2) RFID Chip (Mark of the Beast)* The Coronavirus vaccines will come with a tracking device called a Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip. It is a microchip that will be inserted in the body at the same time with the vaccines. They are not even being subtle about it, but are making it plain as Bill Gates is proposing. This chip will give them the opportunity to track and know who has taken the vaccines and who has not. So they know who is "safe" and who is not, who can be given license to travel and to do things on the basis that they are no longer a threat to humanity. Based on this spurious ostensible notion of the Coronavirus, which is a complete fallacy and doesn't exist in the context of what is actually killing people. They are using it as a means to justify where they are going. However, this chip is also a fulfilment of a Bible prophecy. According to the Book of Revelations 13:16-18, this chip is the Mark of the Beast which shall be implanted on the right hand or forehead. So that those who refuse to accept it shall not be permitted to travel, work or engage in any economic activity (buying and selling). To further prove this, the Bible says that the Mark, name and number of the Beast which is 666, is the number of a man. The person after whom this virus is named after is known as Saint Corona, who is considered by the Roman Catholic Church as patron saint of plagues. Now if you calculate the numerical value of his name, according to the order of the English alphabet, you will arrive at 666: *C=3, O=15, R=18, O=15, N=14, A=1 =66* Then the name Corona has 6 letters. Add it to the 66 above and you will arrive at 666, confirming what the Bible said. This is why everyone must reject the Coronavirus vaccines and the RFID Chip which is the Mark of the Beast. For according to the Book of Revelations 14:9-11, anyone who recieves the Mark of the Beast is doomed forever, as they will not enter the Kingdom of God. *3) Global Digital Currency* The introduction of a global digital currency is their third agenda. It will start with the USA and then spread to the rest of the world. This is why I developed my own Blogg Chain Platform which is my own digital currency. This will help Africa create it's own independent and strong digital currency that can compete with the digital currency of the Antichrist New World Order in the financial market. This is what we have been doing behind the scenes in the past for the Kingdom of God. Nevertheless, this has hailed a new era of the Mark of the Beast. It is real, it is here with us now! They are expediting action rapidly on it because they realise that there is a level of esoteric enlightenment going through the earth. There is also a level of technology that can fastrack other people's agenda which may be contrary to theirs. And they would want to shut it down before they come up. So what they are doing systematically, systemicly and simultaneously is that with the lockdown, they are now shutting down the global economy because they want to introduce 2 things: *i) Monopoly/Oligopoly* By creating monopolies in the global market they will select 4 or 5 key multinational companies; Amazon will be the first, then Google is obviously one, there will be others too. These companies will manage the supply chain of everything that we purchase. So every transaction is going to be streamlined, from food to electronics, to flow of money, etc. And only those that have the RFID Chip (Mark of the Beast) can be allowed to use this system. The rest may be allowed to starve to death, killed or imprisoned for refusing to accept the Coronavirus vaccines and the RFID Chip implant. *ii) Creation of Unemployment* The second thing they are doing within the system is that they have shut down the global economy. By so doing they want to make as many people as possible unemployed so they can be forced to accept the new system in order to regain employment. So please do not believe these measures they are talking about payments to help the unemployed. It's not going to happen. Right now the world is heading to the largest global recession in history, just as prophesied in the Book of Revelations 6:8. All these will happen because they are changing the game. So what they are bringing in now is a new system. The new blogg chain global digital currency which no one will have access to unless they prove they are no longer a harm to humanity by accepting the Coronavirus vaccines, which will be mandatory because they will force people to have it. Also they will insist that one has to take the RFID Chip (Mark of the Beast) which is a part of the same simultaneous process. Another reason why they are shutting down the global economy is because they want to take back the control of the economy from entrepreneurs and businessmen, etc. They want to completely disrupt the fabric of society viz a viz education, employment, religion, politics, etc. Everything will be completely different in a matter of months, not even years. So this is their strategy to ultimately control in terms of visibility such as Wifi, internet and all that gives them access to internet of things and the control of money. If you control money, you control power. And it is their agenda to also control the world population. *Bill Gates The Antichrist?* Bill Gates has resigned from his position as Chairman of Microsoft and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. He is now vigorously pushing the Coronavirus vaccines agenda. He has developed technology in that direction. He is also responsible for alot of what is going on presently. So please for those who held him as an innovator, know that he is innovating for the demise of humanity. Vaccines have always been a danger to humanity because they contain pathogens harmful to the human body. Please take note that the Book of Revelations 13:16-18 identifies the Antichrist as the man that will spearhead the implanting of the Mark of the Beast (RFID Chip) on human beings. Bill Gates is the chief proponent of implanting the chip on human beings, so is Bill Gates the long awaited Antichrist? *Way Out* What does the Body of Christ need to do now? What do we do? First, we must repent from our evil ways and change our worldly gods like money (mammon) back to the living God. This is the time for the Kingdom remnant, who have been prepared for this time, to come together. We need to unite as Christians. This is the time the people who were not feeding into the church normal restrictions, who have got all these assignments and mandate beyond the church, will be repositioned. This the defining moment for the Kingdom of God to rectify the things that are going wrong in the Body of Christ. Very soon you will see a collaboration around the world as people will come together to combine their resources and collaborate to make a positive change; by creating alternative platforms/systems. I have been working on this for 5 years and there are a number of people around the world who are doing the same. Secondly, you will see a change of the entire world religious system. One of the reasons why there has been a ubiquitous shut down of worship, prayer and congregation of religious organisations is because they are making way spiritually for the Antichrist. When we pray and worship corporately, we create a frequency, a vibration, a move of God that disrupts their satanic agenda. So they have shut down worship and prayer gatherings to pave way for the Antichrist to come to the fore. Otherwise he would have been restricted by the universal concert of prayers and worship of God's people. This is what the Bible is saying in 2 Thessalonians 2: 6-8 that as soon as the corporate prayers and worship of the Body of Christ is removed, the Man of Sin (Antichrist) shall be revealed. And this scripture is being fulfilled now. So what is happening now is deliberate. It is not because of the Coronavirus contagion that we can't congregate, but because they have to systematically dismantle for the first time in human history the corporate gathering of the religious people to pray and worship. This is because their prayers and worship changes the spiritual atmosphere so they can't have power to achieve their aim if that continues. I wouldn't doubt if there are sacrifices going on behind the scenes as well to empower them for this move. However it is clear that all the people dying now from the 5G induced Coronavirus pandemic are also being sacrificed for this purpose. They are moving very fast and within a matter of weeks we are going to be shocked by the revelation and implementation of these things. The vaccines will come in a matter of months if not days. The new global digital currency will follow suit. The whole new economic system, which I have created one that I am going to implement as a strategy to counter what they have, will also emerge. I have been prophesying this for 15 years that the Kingdom of God needs it's own economic system. We have been working on the blueprint of God to advance His Kingdom, to save souls and to preserve posterity. In conclusion, the best thing we can do now is to raise our own frequency by living a clean life in righteousness and removing anything from our bodies that affect the flow of God's Spirit upon our lives. The only counter we have is prayer and worship which creates it's own forcefield of frequency. Heaven's frequency will protect you to a large degree, as God is working on His own strategy He is going to implement to save us.

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Had a bit of time free, so decided to answer "48 questions Atheists can't answer". Where I can I name the logical fallacy they use in the question. For 'unanswerable questions' they were surprisingly answerable. Good exercise to clarify your position, even if only to yourself. via /r/atheism

Submitted December 02, 2020 at 03:02PM by eldrad17 (Via reddit https://ift.tt/3myQVxb) Had a bit of time free, so decided to answer "48 questions Atheists can't answer". Where I can I name the logical fallacy they use in the question. For 'unanswerable questions' they were surprisingly answerable. Good exercise to clarify your position, even if only to yourself.

48 Questions Atheists can’t answer (answered)

I'll be honest, these questions weren't really well thought out. If I didn't get these directly from the website below I'd imagine someone was deliberately strawmanning their own arguments for some reason. I recommend having a go yourself, though, it helps to organise your thoughts on the matter! By the time I finished I figured I'd put it on here.

https://creationsciencestudy.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/clever-questions-atheists-cant-answer/

I feel I should mention there were certain questions which I felt I should avoid (specifically regarding race, rape and Hitler) but I got the sense the writers were trying to put people off of answering them, and I had set out to answer the 'unanswerable'.

1. If creationists can’t do science, then why do Kent Hovind and Duane T. Gish, who are creation scientists, have professional degrees in science?

A: This appears to be an ambiguity fallacy- Science is a broad term that covers many subjects and can be misused in certain circumstances as I think has been done in your question. If ‘creation’ science can be backed up by peer reviewed scientific journals that can be verified by other scientists around the world then yes that would make it a solid science. If Kent Hovind and Duane T. Gish have any such papers that have been peer reviewed I would be very interested to read them and check their claims. As it stands this has yet to be done.

‘Dr’ Kent Hovind in particular got his degrees from unaccredited institutions. He just added Doctor to his name so people will believe his claims which happens more than you think. I personally know someone who got his doctorate in writing a few years ago- doesn’t make him a scientist. I could go into Kent’s tax evasion here but I’d rather stick to the facts rather than commit a ‘Tu quoque’ fallacy.

2. If dinosaurs turned into birds, why are we not afraid of them?

A: Because birds aren’t a threat, we had millions of years to figure that out once the dinosaurs weren’t around. It would hardly make sense for a species to evolve and develop a fear of a predator that didn’t prey on them.

3. If homosexuality is right, then how come two people of the same sex not produce a child?

A: You’re assuming there is a morality position to take on this. Whilst I have heard there may be some evolutionary benefit to homosexuality I myself am not aware of it. Live and let live.

4. What purpose do we have if evolution is real?

A: Again you are making an assumption- this time that we have a purpose. As an (optimistic) nihilist I see no reason to think that life and the universe has any purpose. I determine the purpose of my own life.

5. You say Jesus never existed, but have you heard of the Shroud of Turin?

A: I never said Jesus didn’t exist. As for the shroud- It’s a sheet that looks like a face. I can make one at home! Jokes aside, if you can prove that it is in fact the face of Jesus and not someone else via genetic science or some other means that can accurately verify it (peer reviewed scientific journals again I’m afraid) then I will admit that Jesus did factually exist. You then have the problem of proving that he was the son of God and performed miracles as you say he did via the same means. Good luck with that.

6. Why do we not see humans being born in the zoos from monkeys if we came from monkeys?

A: The personal incredulity fallacy- because you don’t understand how something works ergo it must not be true. This demonstrates how little effort you have put into researching evolution. Monkeys can’t give birth to humans and vice versa- we descend from a common ancestor. For the final time (please!) Monkeys, Chimps, Gorillas and Humans all descended from a common ancestor millions of years ago- Apes!

7. Why do we go to church if God is not real?

A: The bandwagon fallacy- because most people think a certain way or believes something it must then be true. The most common way to explain this fallacy is pointing out that a popular opinion at one time was that the Earth was flat. Didn’t make our ancestors right back then just as I’m certain there are many things we all assume to be true that will one day be proven otherwise. It’s called progress.

Everyone likes to be reassured in what they believe, hanging out with like-minded people is a good way to do that and people are welcome to do so whether that’s at a Church, Mosque or even a pub. Personally I think it’s a waste of a good Sunday morning.

8. How did the Grand Canyon form?

A: Over millions of years due to the same naturalistic processes we can measure and observe around the world. There are many peer reviewed scientific journals that back this up.

9. Do you know that Jesus loves you?

A: Fallacy- an appeal to emotion. Trying to prove your point by ignoring the facts and attempting to win me over by making me feel good. That isn’t going to work with someone like me who doesn’t equate Jesus with love. Zombies and vampires love me too, apparently, but I’m hardly going to run over to them and make friends!

There are a lot of claims made about Jesus that require solid evidence for me to change my mind as to whether he actually existed, had a beard, was white, was male, told stories, performed miracles, whether he was the son of God and if so that there is a God. Start at the beginning and keep proving it through the scientific method (peer reviewed journals, remember) and I’ll convert. Simple.

10. If Christianity is false, then why is it popular?

A: Again, Bandwagon fallacy. Just because an idea is popular doesn’t make it true. If that were the case you might want to convert to Islam pronto as they’re soon going to take over the number of Christians!

11. If you say Christianity is not true, then why do hundreds of people continue to become saved every day?

A: Bandwagon. Belief is a fluid thing, it is different every day for every person. In the UK where I am from secularism is on the rise. Islam is apparently (so I read) on the rise in China. The demographics are changing constantly.

12. Why do we not see half trees and half carrots, fronkeys, and crocoducks if evolution is real?

A: Personal Incredulity again. Cross speciation is impossible due to genetics. Any one of those things may have evolved into existence if the right conditions for it arose.

13. Why is Richard Dawkins afraid to debate Ray Comfort?

A: He has better things to do. Such a high-profile debate would only afford legitimacy to the creationist view which he feels (and I agree) it does not deserve. Better to ask why an (actual) scientist does not take creationism seriously enough to bother debating it.

Saying this I have noticed a trend in secular/ theist debates where the Atheist side will debate the Bible/ Qur’an/ belief and its fallacies whilst the Theist side will try their best to argue the science. As interesting as it can be to watch it would be interesting to see a Theist try to debate the legitimacy of their claims rather than attack science in general.

14. Did you know Christopher Hitchens was saved before death?

A: Fallacy: appeal to emotion. I am pretty sure this was thrown in here to make me angry and make me say something you might use to trip me up. Christopher Hitchens was one of the finest minds of our time. I am sure his work will last the ages. As for being ‘saved’- again, evidence.

15. Are you aware Ray Comfort disproved atheism with a banana?

A: That depends on your definition of ‘proved’. I am going to say this is a combination of an ambiguation fallacy (‘proved’) and an appeal to authority (which would also go for other creationists brought up in these questions, like Kent Hovind).

First off, you and I need to be specific about what the term ‘proved’ means. For me it would mean that scientists around the world studied the evidence of his claim and by a majority came to the same conclusion. That would be some serious headline news.

Secondly, an appeal to authority is usually a good thing in debate as it allows the opinion of experts to weigh in on it. However, you really need be careful and study the level of authority a person has in their field. Ray Comfort is, in mine and I’m sure many people’s opinion, not an authority on Evolution, Biology, Geology, etc. etc. In fact, I’d go so far as to say he isn’t much of an authority on theology if he uses a banana!

Lastly, I hope you and Ray Comfort are aware that bananas were specifically made the way they are today by humans through selective breeding? That became a sort of (not so) natural selection. Google it.

16. Why do people laugh at evolutionists?

A: I was not aware they do. I assume for the same reason that 98% of scientists (including leading biologists, geologists, astrologists, cosmologists, historians, etc. etc.) do not take creationism seriously, which opens it to ridicule around the world.

17. How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happen? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.

A: There is a lot of misunderstanding in that question. (Personal Incredulity fallacy.) The planets formed long after the Big Bang. The early universe was filled with formless atoms that gradually started clumping together and, through a steady process of quantum mechanics and then gravitational pull started forming astral bodies, eventually forming the ones we see today.

I can’t help but add in a Tu Quoque here (yes, I know, but I think it’s relevant.) How did the human race come into existence when at one point (according to Genesis) the only people on Earth were Cain, his mum Eve, his dad Adam and his brother’s corpse? Who did he mate with to conceive the next generation whilst avoiding long lasting genetic problems in humans? Remember, according to your book they were the only people in existence.

18. If evolution is real, how can it explain gravity, angular momentum, human emotions, and why we worship God?

A: Evolution doesn’t concern itself with any of those. It simply focusses on the development of life over time. It doesn’t affect gravity, which has its own theory (The theory of gravity), or angular momentum (pretty sure that’s mathematics and physics). Human emotions are the domain of psychology but it’s easy to see how our survival as a species would depend on how we treated each other as a group, so emotions and a common focal point (religion) would have contributed to that.

God is more the domain of Theology which in itself can be said to have evolved over time- Judaism used to be a polytheism until someone decided that one God must be better than all the other (Jehovah) and eventually all the other gods were just forgotten. If ancient Greece, early Rome or the Vikings got here instead, we’d be worshipping Zeus, Jupiter or Odin instead of God (all four of them do look very similar when you think about it)

19. How did pond scum make living things appear out of nowhere?

A: Personal Incredulity fallacy. Honestly, we do not know yet. Science is still working on that. That doesn’t remove the legitimacy of Abiogenesis (or even Panspermia for that matter) - it isn’t too far a stretch of the imagination once you understand that we are essentially made up of things common to this planet- we are 80% water, carbon-based, with elements of iron, calcium, and various other squares on the periodic table of elements which can be found, inorganically, across the planet. The only two things that make us and this planet unique (as far as we can tell right now) is Protein and Chlorophyll, once we’ve figured that out we’ll have a better idea of how life began to form here.

20. How can evolution be true if we don’t see pocket watches or airplanes form by themselves?

A: Personal Incredulity (again). How can God be true if planes or pocket watches don’t appear magically after 7 days with zero human input? Planes and pocket watches are inorganic and were made specifically by humans with a purpose in mind. To assume the same with the universe and all life is demonstrating a narrow view of the subject.

21. Did you know that dinosaurs and man lived together?

A: Citation. You’re making a claim and need to provide evidence to back it up. Show me one example of dinosaur fossils being found in the same sediment as human fossils and I will genuinely start to question what I have been taught. So far, I haven’t seen a single one.

22. If evolution is real, then why do caring people like Rick Santorum argue that it must be challenged in the classroom?

A: I’m going to label this question as another appeal to authority/ emotion case. Just because something ‘feels’ right or good doesn’t make it true. Drugs feel good but I don’t take what a drug user says as gospel. People can still be caring but mistaken.

However in this case I do agree it needs to be challenged on every level. It is only when a theory is challenged we can see the strength of it. The theory of evolution has only lasted as long as it has because it has withstood scrutiny from the finest scientific minds over the last 150 years. It has changed with new evidence in that time but nonetheless still remains the best explanation we have for how life has arrived at this point today.

I am an atheist because I put both the anthropomorphic God and the Bible under scrutiny and I didn’t even need my scientific knowledge to see the various problems with them. God and creationism form at best a poor hypothesis.

Before leaving this point I would also like to add the notion of a black-or-white fallacy. It’s being implied throughout these questions that the only two options are either evolution or creationism, which isn’t necessarily the case. By implying that these are the only two options you are trying to add legitimacy to creationism by ignoring any other options that may exist. I still maintain that evolution is the best explanation for how life came to be the way it is today, but why are you ignoring all of the other creation stories in the world? Hinduism, Buddhism and various other faiths have their own claims, what makes them any less legitimate than creationism?

23. Why are youtube atheists like AronRa and Thunderf00t afraid to debate Ray Comfort?

A: This is the same question as the Richard Dawkins one. However I am familiar with Thunderf00t and AronRa and can tell you there are plenty of youtube videos that put their point across. They probably feel they don’t need to debate creationists anymore until their original videos are satisfactorily debunked.

24. Why do we celebrate Christmas if Christianity is not real?

A: I’m going to tentatively label this as a No True Scotsman fallacy. Saying that only Christians should celebrate Christmas is inappropriately glossing over all the people who celebrate Christmas who aren’t Christian.

Christmas was originally a pagan holiday celebrating the winter solstice. It’s in no way solely for Christians. It makes for very interesting reading if you want to look it up. Anyone can get behind the idea of people coming in from the cold and sharing a meal with their family, religious or otherwise. Easter was also about sex and fertility (the rabbit and the eggs anyone?) where I come from its only the religious who try to make it about them.

25. If creationists can’t do science, then why does the website Answersingenesis have proven science articles from creationists that do science?

A: Ambivalence Fallacy (again). Again, science is a very broad term covering many different areas and the term ‘proven’ is very ambiguous. If you said peer reviewed scientific journals from established experts in the fields of Biology and Geology instead, I’d pay more attention. But since we both know that isn’t the case here I’ll accept that the computer science/ theology majors that usually add the ‘Dr’ part to the names of the authors who write these articles make what you say in this question ‘technically’ true (except the ‘proven’ part). In this case it is a question of authority. I choose to listen to the experts of the fields required (biology, physics, etc.) instead of the people with a ‘Christian Science’ degree, especially since its biased groups like answersingenesis who usually hand out those degrees anyway.

26. If evolution is true, then why can’t white people compete to be good in basketball like black people? After all, white people can’t jump!

A: Personal Incredulity. I would also add the begging the question fallacy and possibly red herring to this as well. You’re trying to frame the question in such a way that the answer you want is in the question- and moving the argument in a direction that doesn’t add to the conversation but instead to a place where you think I won’t come out well. Also, I’m fairly certain there’s exceptions to this rule- I’m pretty sure there’s some good white basketball players out there. I come from the UK where basketball isn’t such a big deal so I have no background knowledge on this, so I could be wrong.

However, saying this, it isn't ridiculous to imagine that any general variations between races may be due to different environments that favoured different traits (Africa is different to Europe, Asia to America, etc.) I am no expert in this, so I won't comment further.

27. Where do you decide to fit God in your everyday life if you don’t believe in him?

A: Begging the question/ Burden of Proof. You’re assuming your position is the natural stance to take and putting me in a place where I have to justify my stance. Here it is anyway- I place God in the same place I fit Santa, the Tooth fairy, Leprechauns, Unicorns, etc. etc.

28. Why is Christianity the fastest growing religion if it’s false?

A: Citation. Last I heard it was Islam and non-belief that were rising. Even if Christianity were rising it doesn’t change the fact of whether it is true or not. A billion people could believe the Earth was square but I would still call them wrong.

29. Do you feel free to commit murders, homosexuality, go to strip bars, steal, commit adultery, and do other sins since you believe there is no God?

A: I will throw my hands up here and say that this is actually a good question to ask an Atheist. I did have to think about this one so well done on that. There’s nothing wrong in admitting your debating opponent has made a good point or asked a good question.

Whilst I do not believe in any moral absolutes in the universe I do believe in the Golden Rule: Do unto other as you would have them do unto you. It’s simply the best way to function in a society, hence why I don’t care about what people do in the bedroom or do with their bodies- it’s their choice so long as they leave me to make my own.

However if extreme circumstances dictated it necessary (i.e. my own survival) I can’t say I would be able to keep to that rule, but that’s only in extreme circumstances, and I would dare anyone to admit otherwise to that.

30. Why do the fossils say no to evolution?

A: Citation to your claim. Fossils don’t say anything. They’re rocks. If you are hearing rocks talking I suggest you seek help. OK in all seriousness show me the evidence (remember, from peer reviewed scientific journals from unbiased geologists across the globe) and I would start to question what I know. Simply asserting that fossils say no to evolution doesn’t make it so.

31. Why did Darwin admit that how the eye formed is impossible?

A: Again, Citation to your claim. I’d certainly be interested in knowing if this was true. Even if it was though it is true that Darwin had a lot of issues with his theory. He spent the rest of his life working on it.

When a Theory is first made it rarely remains the same in the face of new evidence. Over 150 years it has been fine-tuned with new evidence so that the current model fits best with what we know. One solid piece of evidence to counter evolution would throw the whole thing into question. Darwin wouldn’t recognise the theory of evolution today.

We have since been able to explain the eye and have even found species that still have remnants of an eye in early evolutionary forms as well as species that have evolved to not need eyes as much as they used to. We have seen how the eye can change over time.

32. Where did everything come from if there is no God?

A: The God of the Gaps argument. ‘We don’t know the answer, so God.’ In short, we don’t know either, just like you. Current science can only take us back to a moment after the big bang. There are a lot of ideas floating around at this stage and I for one look forward to what we find next.

I’m personally drawn to the ‘Big Cheese’, ‘Multiverse’ and 'One Electron Universe' theories which sound promising as well as exciting. None of this requires that a supreme intelligent being started it all- and even if it did, it would then beg the question of where that supreme intelligent being came from.

33. If there is no God, then why do we have laws that govern us, such as speed limits?

A: Because society had to function. I don’t look at society as something formed around the collective worship of deity but rather as a collective agreement that this is the best way for us to get along, rather than hitting each other with clubs.

I’m curious about this now, thought: what is the Bibles stance on speed limits?

34. Do you know where you are going when you die?

A: Another good question to ask! These types of questions are genuinely making me think about my stance and if you want to convert me someday then that is what you need to do.

I personally want to be cremated and placed in a biodegradable urn with a tree seed that could feed off the nutrients in my ashes. That way I could help towards keeping the planet clean and not just be some boring old gravestone. Those are creepy. I’d probably visit passed loved ones more if graveyards were vibrant forests rather than morbid tombstones everywhere.

As for the next life I don’t know and frankly I’m not too concerned- I’m in the same boat as every living thing that has ever existed, currently exists and will ever exist. Not existing isn’t something to be scared of- it didn’t bother me before I was born!

Having said that, however, if I were brought before God (if!) for judgement when I die, then it would depend. If I were judged by the quality of my actions and words in life, then God would be just and I should have nothing to fear (the golden rule, remember?)

If, however, I am to be judged based on how many times I exclaimed I loved God, attended church and never questioned dogma, then that is an unjust God who isn’t worth worshipping and I will happily walk into hell with the moral high ground.

If there is no God, then I will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of my loved ones.

I thank Marcus Aurelius for this observation.

35. Why do we not act like monkeys if it is true we came from monkeys?

A: Personal incredulity (Again!) I’m guessing these questions were written by different people because I’m genuinely impressed by some and slapping my head with the others. This is the latter.

Who says we don’t act like monkeys? I love climbing trees and eating bananas! I’m glad of my social circle and I groom a lot (well, as much as a bald man can!)

This question seems to imply that man is somehow superior to monkeys, but I think the implication is backwards- Theism and Creationism seem determined to prove that the universe is governed by an anthropomorphic being (one that has human characteristics- awareness, rules, jealous, loving, etc. etc.) but the way I see it the universe is completely indifferent to our existence- mountains don’t care if we fall off of them and water doesn’t care if it drowns us. The universe is what it is.

By comparison, primate species are incredibly anthropomorphic- they have tight family groups that they love, they can be jealous, they have rules, they have a mild awareness (enough to use tools and sign language) so it really isn’t that big of a stretch to think that we are distantly related, especially when you consider the fossil evidence!

36. Why do we display The Ten Commandments in the courtrooms if you say the Bible is not real?

A: Appeal to Authority. Which in this case doesn’t apply to me because I’m not in the US. I’m British and we don’t have that, I think. I’ve never been in a courtroom.

However, there is nothing wrong with a society remembering its roots- the UK has almost 1000 years of history and Christianity has been there throughout (remember- doesn’t make it true!)

As for the US system it has only been in recent times that these have popped up- America was founded on secular principles (something I feel we could do more with on both sides of the Atlantic) it’s nonsense that it was based on anything otherwise. Google any of the founding fathers and I’m sure you’d find similar sentiments, or even in the constitution. As a Brit I feel I shouldn’t need to have to tell you about the very piece of paper that cemented our loss in the war for independence!

37. Why should be it wrong to rape if God is not real?

A: Red herring/ appeal to emotion. Moral implications shouldn’t impact on a debate about the existence of God, Jehovah or otherwise. You’re attempting to frame the question in a way that provokes an emotional response and makes my stance appear less valid (but only appear!) (Again!)

As before- Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It’s very simple. Rape in particular is a horrendous crime and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. As a society we have in place the means to severely punish those who rape as well as the social stigma attached to it (even in prison) to act as a deterant to would-be rapists. None of that, however, is dependant on the existence of a God.

38. Why is The Passion of The Christ very high on the Box Office?

A: Red Herring/ Bandwagon fallacy. This quiz is probably very old- again I have to reiterate that just because something is popular doesn’t make it true! At the time of writing Avatar is the highest grossing film of all time, it doesn’t mean I’m going to preach about how we need to find Pandora. I don’t believe in the force because Star Wars is so popular, or Hogwarts because of Harry Potter.

I would also argue that box office ratings have nothing to do about the existence of Jesus of the veracity of the Bible. I find it weird that I need to point this out.

39. How can America not be a Christian nation if there are way more churches than mosques?

A: Bandwagon (again). America can have as many churches, mosques and temples as it wants. It doesn’t change the fact that it was founded on secular principles. Calling America a Christian country marginalises the other religions who are protected by the constitution to practice their faith (or non-faith) freely.

I may also argue that there are more McDonalds in America than pizza huts- does that make America a burger nation?

40. How is the bible not real if it’s the most popular book read by man?

A: Citation for your claim and bandwagon fallacy (again! This is becoming a habit!) At the time of writing the most popular book by number of sales is the Qur’an- 3 billion copies sold compared to 2.5 billion Bibles. Again, I have to reiterate (and it’s getting repetitive) that just because something is popular doesn’t mean that it’s true.

41. How did the moon form?

A: Red Herring. What does this have to do with the existence of God? I’ll indulge anyway.

As I understand the moon formed when, some 4.5 billion years ago, a mars sized planet name Theia crashed into the Earth. The resulting chaos threw a lot of debris into Earth’s gravity that came together to form the moon.

Again, I’m curious to know where creationists think it came from.

42. Did you know that famous scientists like Newton, Sir Richard Owen, Einstein, Galileo, and Copernicus were creationists?

A: Citation needed/ Appeal to Authority. Newton, Galileo and Copernicus I can understand since they were from a time where that was the norm. It doesn’t impact their contributions to science or lessens their impact on history.

Sir Richard Owen I would find hard to believe since his only problem with the theory of evolution was that it was too basic and was likely to be more complex (in a way he was right) and Albert Einstein only ever referred to God in a pantheistic sense (i.e. he believed in a non-anthropomorphic God which is against what is taught in the Torah- he was from a Jewish background) I find it highly unlikely that he was a creationist.

Admittedly the first three I just applied common sense to and the other two I had to look up (I didn’t know who Sir Richard was) but a simple search brought me the answers there.

43. Why do we not see black people come from white people?

A: Personal Incredulity. Because, as I explained before, genetic traits get passed down from one generation to the next. They can’t leap from one person to the other without somewhere to come from.

I would again add begging the question and possibly red herring fallacies to this as well. Again, you’re trying to frame the question in such a way that the answer you want is in the question- and moving the argument in a direction that doesn’t add to the debate but instead to a place where you think I won’t come out well.

This is a very vague question, by the way. It seems to imply that black and white people can't produce offsring together, which is completely incorrect.

44. Why are fruitflies still fruitflies in the lab experiments if they are claimed to prove evolution?

A: Personal Incredulity. Because a fruitfly isn’t going to be able to evolve into something that isn’t a fruitfly in the short time we’ve been able to observe. Give it a few thousand generations and maybe you’ll be surprised.

45. Did you know that the Piltdown Man was a hoax used for Darwinist propaganda?

A: The composition fallacy! At least this question is different. The argument being that because one thing wasn’t true the whole argument shouldn’t stand up. We have so much evidence pointing to evolution that it is no longer a question of if it did happen but how did it happen. Mistakes are going to be made as it would be in all endeavours, scientific or otherwise, but it doesn’t change the facts.

46. Why do we not see frogs turn into birds?

A: Personal Incredulity. This question has been asked multiple times in different versions. Refer to my previous answers.

47. Why is Fox News dishonest if it is a network run by truthful Christians?

A: Citation for your claim/ Red Herring/ Begging the question/ Appeal to emotion. You would need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that all Christians are truthful. The Vatican wasn’t exactly honest in its dealings with the paedophile ring it tried to cover up! (A low blow I know!)

There are many examples of untruthful Christians as I am sure there are many examples of untruthful Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists as well as communists, capitalists, feminists, etc. etc. and etc. Christians don’t own a monopoly on honest or dishonest behaviour.

As for Fox news, I’m not so sure a network with such a heavy political bias can always be considered ‘honest’, I genuinely thought Bill O’Reilly was a comic character like Borat when I first saw him! The rest of the world can see Fox news footage and generally laughs at it- ‘Tide goes in tide goes out, you can’t explain that!’ Really?! (It’s the moon, by the way, Bill. Were you not taught that at school?)

Again I need to state, though, that the honesty/ dishonesty of a television channel, intentional or otherwise, doesn’t impact the debate on whether a God (or Gods) exist.

48. Why did Hitler fail to make a superior race if evolution is true?

A: Appeal to emotion. Subtly trying to equate Hitler and Evolution is another logical fallacy. In fact I’d also say it’s a combination of a loaded question mixed with a genetic fallacy. You don’t want me to answer it, you want me to say something that may be taken out of context and perhaps later use it for an ad hominem attack whilst also assuming that absolutely everything Hitler believed/ did makes it evil by association, like you did with the questions about race and rape. Adolf Hitler was a human being- he was also an artist, does that make art evil? He also breathed oxygen, are you really going to breathe the same air as him? He was also confirmed catholic…

As for the ‘Master Race’ thing I’d say that he may well have created a new breed of human if any eugenic plans he may have had carried on as they did. Thankfully he was stopped before we had a chance to find out.

As for eugenics in general, setting aside the moral implications of human breeding programs, we have today certain species (particularly dogs and, as mentioned above, bananas) that have been successfully bred into certain forms. The British bulldog wouldn’t exist today if it weren’t for selective breeding. The fact is as with any eugenics project it would take a lot longer than the time Hitler had to see the results. The Bulldog in particular was a process that started over a century ago and even with modern genetic science we are scratching the surface on what we might be able to do.

Of course, there is still a lot to discuss in terms of what would be immoral and what could be allowed- modern purebred Bulldogs are generally suffering with genetic problems no one could have foreseen when they first started breeding them, and history is unfortunately littered with royal families whose genetic flaws due to inbreeding were all too well known.

If you made it this far then thanks for reading- I feel I should mention, again, there were certain questions which I felt I should avoid (the race, Hitler and rape related ones specifically) but I got the sense the writers were trying to put people off of answering them, and I set out to answer the 'unanswerable', so I did to the best of my ability.

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