#hotd fandom sucks

[undertoweyes]

I usually hate the therm “woke” but seriously tb twt has this weird idea that there was some kind of targ women sorority going on, which is by far one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard from them.

Nevertheless to say, this belief also goes in hand with the idea of a non targ woman being the big bad evil who “tarnished” the blood of the dragon

Visenya can't even enjoy it when her dragon kinslays anymore. Because of woke

[throwawayasoiafaccount]

i’m genuinely shocked by this:

how can someone miss the point by such a large margin that they end up implying that Rhaenyra’s cause would have had no positive impact on the women of the realm?

how can one’s thought process be so far removed from the actual reality? is this the inconsistent logic one must tangle in to become a green? have these people never sat in a history class before?

jeyne arryn anyone? does she not exist to them? a point actually made in the book (not one twisted by the greens to advance their agenda) was that her rulership of the vale would’ve been seriously endangered and put into question if the greens won. but that is conveniently ignored by these interesting… folks.

i can understand the anger this person has with the horrible dance of the dragons adaptation and its treatment of female characters. and i mean it. especially when i say female characters. because alicent isn’t the female character who’s actually getting the shortest end of the stick. it was rhaenyra and rhaenys who were the most grievously declawed. rhaenyra is queen. her council is supposed to be her council. the war is supposed to be her war for her throne, not for some stupid prophecy that should’ve logically been lost a long time ago. and rhaenys is a baratheon with a temper and a dragon rider who would’ve burnt the greens and melted their bones if she had the chance. but for some reason the show decided to make a whole new character and slap rhaenys name on it.

to be clear: rhaenyra and rhaenys were powerful in their own right. they had dragons and were a part of the royal dynasty with claims to the throne. their power is theirs. it is derived from them.

alicent’s power is derived from the power of the men she is related to. that’s literally what the queen dowager title means. her influence is dependent on if the men in her life and her children listen to her. they don’t have to, and many characters don’t listen to her in the book, which is why i say she wasn’t the most grievously declawed.

it’s also hilarious that this person considers the queen dowager position to be the most powerful position in the greens court. they must have never read a cersei chapter as she faces her loss of power, which showcases the fickle nature of the power women hold in the westerosi patriarchy.

the correct sequence of power in the greens court is: the usurper king. then the hand. then the princes, specifically the usurper kings brothers, and then the queen consort, as they have dragons and claims to the throne. then the lords who can call on armies and fleets and have coffers that run deep. then the queen dowager, who has little influence outside of kings landing and therefore not as much influence in court as others.

the case the screenshotted post tries to make is that non-targ women’s positions aren’t advanced by rhaenyra being queen, which, as i pointed out above, is not true, nor is it what rhaenyra is fighting for. rhaenyra fought for her throne, which she had a legal claim to. that’s all. many houses joined her instead of joining the usurpers because of many different reasons, but, imo, three of the most important reasons for joining the blacks/staying neutral were 1) women’s inheritance rights (and women in general) should be respected 2) the head of the houses heir and the heirs right to inherit should be respected 3) oaths should be respected.

i also want to point out that women, most obviously targaryen women, did lose power after rhaenyra’s death and due to the concessions made to the greens and their ideology by the blacks for peace along with anti-rhaenyra propaganda that set women’s inheritance rights and the general power they could hold back by quite a lot.

and funnily enough, we see this first with jaehaera, who, while was a queen, was most likely murdered by the character who was supposed to be guarding her because no one gave a shit about a targaryen girls status and the potential consequences of killing her because they knew they could get away with it; and her death directly led to alicent’s line ending. the reality is that there were practically no consequences, as it seemed to have been easily covered up as a suicide, because the targaryens lost so much power after the dance, which directly put the targaryen women in the line of fire. if the targaryen women couldn’t be used they’d be discarded. and jaehaera, a simple girl who’s entire family was all dead besides one, and who’s father was greatly disliked by many, was an eyesore to those who wished for more power. so she was killed. brutally.

and the reason the women of house targaryen were so vulnerable? it’s because they had no claim to anything anymore! no one could try to use jaehaera for power so no greedy lords sought her favor nor did any want to protect her! and jaehaera is just the start because afterwards we get the maidens in the vault, then viserys ii is installed over daena, and then everything about naerys and her horrid husband, maekar over daenora, and eventually everything concludes with young princess rhaenys and rhaella over a hundred years later. tragic.

it’s literally downhill after rhaenyra’s death.

[ilikefelines]

Just found out CrazyTom had to stop making F&B/HotD art because crazy stans from a certain team were stalking/bullying her for drawing art of Team Green character's. To those stans, especially the ones who tried to weaponize accusations of racism against the artist, you're all rabid and need to learn some manners. Shipping Jaehaera with Aegon III, an actual canon marriage, is not racist.

Do you know what's really racist - a white women forcing her husband to leave under the subtle threat that if he didn't her uncle would kill him, to pave the way for their incestuous marriage (people who think it was consensual and he left of his own will, you truly have a brain rotted take, he literally had just sworn himself to Rhaenyra and promised to do better, loved his dragon and family and definitely didn't want to abandon them for his boytoy ESPECIALLY after his sister's death) and a white woman having a black man murdered so her bastard son could usurp a black family's seat.

Bring that same energy to Rhae-Rhae and then we'll talk. Oh wait. You won't because you don't actually care about the shows black character's, you were just salty that a talented artist depicted Team Green character's, even though she included the TB kids and did a lovely drawing of Daenaera. You rabid animals are the reason we can't have nice things, and the reason fandom has become so toxic. Like, imagine bullying someone for drawing fanart? Truly y'all have sunk to a new low. Watch yourselves. It's on sight.

[pterodactylterrace]

Syrax is the mother of Danny’s dragons!

Uhh… not what cannon has told us so far, but apparently it’s Condal’s world and GRRM is just living in it.

Mind pointing out which egg is which?

I see a red with black and gold shading, gold and white, black with green highlights and lavender.

Danny’s eggs are black with scarlet ripples and whorls, deep green and bronze, and pale cream streaked with gold.

You can argue that the red and gold ones are Drogon and Viserion, but there is no bright green egg like Dani has in GOT. Drogon’s egg is also mostly black with red highlights. So is the black and green meant to be Rhaegal? Did fossilization somehow change the egg colors this drastically? Wouldn’t they turn back into the colors they were before they turned to stone? What happens to the lavender one? That one just gets stolen or broken somehow since Rhaena claims Sheepstealer at some point this season rather than hatching her own? While we are on that, why get rid of a whole ass dragon in a show about dragons?

Like, they knew exactly what Dani’s eggs looked like. If they wanted to somehow retcon that Dani’s eggs came from Syrax, the least they could have done is make them the same colors and design instead of doing their usual “close enough!” Dragon color scheming.

Also, are we even going to see the green dragons aside from when they are in battle? We have the black dragons in spades, but this season we have seen Vhagar from like two miles away. Where is Sunfyre? Why can’t we watch Dreamfyre react when Helaena’s son is murdered in front of her? Why don’t we even get to see Dreamfyre light her son’s pyre? Rhaenyra got a whole episode to grieve, and Helaena got paraded around during a funeral procession where her son’s wagon gets stuck and almost dumps his body onto the street.

We get it, Condal. Green = Bad. We are told Aegon assaulted a servant before we are introduced to him, literally ass first. We understand that you don’t want us to like him. You’re about as subtle as a cannon. Thing is… I’m really stubborn. The more you try to tell me how horrible they are and how pure and gIrLBoSs Rhaenyra is… the more I root for the Greens.

Go ahead, make them as bad as you want. At this point, it’s so far removed from cannon that we can laugh at it. It’s straight up just Rhaenyra fanfiction. I will gladly sit here and twirl my cartoon villain mustache and cheer while they do the most fucked up shit and attempt to blame it on Rhaenyra.

Here’s hoping Condal stops sucking his own dick and sticks to the book cannon for season 3 instead of making this travesty.

Like, I don’t know GRRM well enough to have an opinion on him, but as a fellow writer… what Condal is doing is just disrespectful. He was supposed to adapt the story he was given. Not make his own.

[mswyrr]

hotd fandom has perfected the art of saying "i just CARE so much about IMPORTANT ISSUES and that's why women should never kiss on my tv screen"

these aren't queerphobes they're just people who cARE. more than you could ever know!!! because you're bAD. because you want women to kiss on tv -- and only people who don't care about important issues want that! because important issues require that it never happen!

not on purpose. it's just a coincidence that women kissing is always somehow a bad thing that is harmful to important issues.

[witheredoffherwitch]

"Only a couple of hours away?"

[artcinemas]

why is fandom by consensus so weird when it comes to the black actors in that hotdog show....like do you even hear yourself 😭😭

[baby-girl-aaron-dessner]

It’s been nice to exit the Swiftie fandom (cult) and enter the HOTD fandom (cool cult).

[childotkw]

Happy House of the Dragon premier day!

[iamnotawomanimagod]

I think if there's one thing that truly, truly exhausts me about fandom now is when people very vehemently and passionately take sides and hate certain characters over others and dedicate entire blogs just to how much they hate those characters

it's not even in a "be nice, let people enjoy things" kind of way, like that's whatever, I don't need anyone's permission to enjoy anything.

it's more that it's just exhausting. it's just so much work to hate a character like that, especially if you're the type of blog to seek out empirical evidence to back up your viewpoints.

it's one thing to dislike a character and to talk about it. it's another thing to start like, a full-blown campaign trying to get other people on your side. aren't you tired?? don't you have like, actual real life things to do? go clean your room.

[baxterbella24]

"Milly should've stayed as Rhaenyra for the whole show".

Yeah, she definitely doesn't look like she was born right between Luke and Jace.

This is what y'all look like right now.

[lya-dustin]

Never seen a fandom so hateful like hotd.

Like do the hate anons gotta meet quota each month and thats why they're worse towards the end of it?

Anyways y'all are (presumably) rational people, don't yall think its a little too fucking idiotic to waste your time hating people instead of like getting a better hobby?

[throwawayasoiafaccount]

i think most people would hate him if the showrunners decided to stick with canon

let’s not forget Bitterbridge and Tumbleton

daeron the war criminal deserved his pathetic death

[witchqueenvisenya]

the hotd cast is so insufferable, it’s one thing to call out hate or harassment, it’s another to tell the audience that their interpretation of the show is incorrect. the got cast was the same way (with the exception of people like emilia, nathalie, and jacob who remained professional despite their characters being treated the worst).

i think it's so funny how hotd showrunners and especially sapochnik who was involved in the disaster that was got, must have sat down the cast, must have lectured them over and over about how the audience must interpret the show one specific way, their way, and that the cast was to scold and belittle the audience every chance they got, when all this could have been avoided if they had made a halfway coherent show like it's not as if you are all involved in a creative project and that the art you are all creating might have different effects and impressions on different sections of the audience and that these impressions might be different than your impressions lmao

[mneiai]

I've been reading some House of the Dragon fics, because while I outright hate some of the things that show has done with the plots/characterizations/etc there are also some interesting moments to be exploited (much like with GOT), and if you're looking for some interesting AUs, I'm enjoying these ones:

The Sons of the Dragon is an Aemond/Jace series with some great relationships between Jace and Rhaenys, Jace and Alicent, and Jace and Cole (who is his father, something I always enjoy lol). It starts out with a change to the infamous Driftmark episode and leads to the two boys fostering together, and from there the interesting changes keep happening. There's a lot of Rhaenyra and Daemon bashing, but the fic is HotD based, not just F&B based, and it works well in the verse.

The Fate of the Dowager Queen has Alicent time travel just far enough back to maybe avoid the worst of everything. It has a lot of her having to come to terms with what she did and didn't do in the life before and some very amusing parts where she realizes how much she didn't know or had made the wrong assumptions about things. It's got sweet Alicent & Rhaenyra and some well thought out changes that Alicent could do.

The Bitter Spring is another time travel AU, with Rhaenyra going back in time to just before her mother dies. It warns in the tags that it won't go the way readers are expecting and it really, really doesn't, but it's a fun divergence from the norm and the writer puts in lots of amusing nods to later history. It has a strong thread of past Daemon/Rhaenyra from the timeline before and that is also the endgame ship.

[gameofthronedd]

The argument that the Greens are dead because of "karmic retribution" is so silly, I'm sorry.