#homer ships odypen

[mysteroads]

So, recently, I made a silly post calling Greek mythology basically fanfiction. To my surprised delight, the myth nerds- summoned by my technical inaccuracy- rose from the depths of Tumblr. This is in their honor. 😉

🗡Homer, furiously storms up Hesiod's house, flings the door open with a bang, and shouts, “You shitty, pedantic, bag of wind!”

🖋Hesiod, who had been peacefully writing right up until that moment: “What?! Who– Homer??”

🗡Homer stomps up and slaps down an open copy of The Theogony onto the desk, jabbing an accusing finger at a specific line: “You ass! You said you wouldn't put this bullshit in your obsessive attempt at mythological genealogy! I ought to use this bloody doorstop of a book to knock the teeth out of your lying mouth!”

🖋Hesiod, now getting mad, leaps to his feet: “I never said that! I said I'd think about it! And I did think about it, and decided I wasn't leaving out a character just because it messes with your headcanon, Homer!”

🗡Homer: “Odysseus only had one son because his family line was cursed by Zeus!”

🖋Hesiod, throwing his hands in the air: “You literally made that up!”

🗡Homer, offended on behalf of his ancestors: “I did not! That was how my Grandpa told the story!”

🖋Hesiod: “Then your grandpa is the only one on this whole gods-blessed country who tells it that way! Everyone else knows about The Telegony!”

🗡Homer, pointing a finger at him: “Yeah, and everyone hates it! Do you deny that everyone fucking hates it?”

🖋Hesiod narrows his eyes, but doesn't deny it.

🗡Homer, triumphant: “Nobody ever mentions it— except people who hate happy endings and nerds like you! You never hear a child beg,” here Homer clasps his hands under his chin and speaking in a mocking falsetto, “‘Papa, tell me how clever Odysseus was murdered by his own son. That's my faaaavorite story ever! ‘Cause it’s just. like. Oedipus Rex!’”

🖋Hesiod, hands on hips, ready to die on this hill: “It doesn't matter whether the story is good or not. I am attempting for as much accuracy as possible, and your grandfather is apparently the only man in Greece who believes Odysseus could shack up with two beautiful goddesses and not produce at least one son!”

🗡Homer scoffs and rolls his eyes: “Circe turns men into pigs. Why the fuck would she want a son? Why would she keep one?”

🖋 Hesiod, face starting to turn an alarming shade of red, sputters: “That’s besides the point!”

🗡Homer, feeling the gleeful vindictiveness of a fanboy with a ship and an agenda: “The point is that everyone would be happier if Penelope and Odysseus lived peacefully the rest of their lives, and Telemachus married Nausicaä! That makes much more sense and is more satisfying narratively. We Greeks have enough tragedies. Let’s have some happy endings!”

🖋Hesiod, who's had enough at this point, decides to go on the offensive and hit a sore point: “For someone who claims to dislike tragedies that destroy a couple's happily ever after, you didn't hesitate to end your Troy story with one!”

🗡Homer, shocked by this angle of attack, rallies: “Achilles and Patroclus were not a couple! They were closer than brothers! Their relationship is deep and meaningful, but that doesn’t mean they were lovers! Why does everyone think they’re lovers?!”

🖋Hesiod, willing and able to be petty: “Well, according to my grandpa, Achilles bottomed. Why don't you add that to The Iliad?”

*From this point, all that can be heard are crashing sounds and language that would make a pirate blush. Later, the two writers were seen together at the local bar, both nursing pints and matching black eyes. Hesiod never does retract his *

original post: https://www.tumblr.com/mysteroads/773713270769172480/a-lot-of-greek-mythology-is-fanfiction-but-not?source=share

[minlicious]

the extent of my attachment to odypen is becoming a problem please send help

[aaronofithaca05]

What absolute garbage have I seen?

I don't have words, I feel.........don't know how to say it, like....cold sweats.........

Damn, that was horrible and I feel horrible for the one who was asked, like how? Why? But what an absolute answer they delivered!, it was perfect!

how the fuck do you look at such a beautiful quote like that and thing "this is so odysus and peleople''. G*d you theyfabs are all the same, go and experience some actual culture rather then making everything about characters from whatever shitty 2000s thing convinced you you were a 'cute boi'. 'enbies' and fandomites have ruined every online space theyve touched. please read little women or pride and prejudice or something that will make you actually feel like a woman

Hate to break it to you terf, but Odysseus and Penelope aren't from the 2000s.

Don't pretend to be cultured just because you read that one mediocre Victorian woman book in high school if you don't recognize the names of characters from the foundational text of all western literature.

Also note that every single fascist movement claims its targets are ruining intellectual spaces by existing in them. You aren't special because you're painted pink.

[dootznbootz]

Okay but something I LOVE about homer is how unironically feminist his stuff is lol?? Like we all know, especially in this time, the Greeks didn't treat their women that well (Which I understand because this was 2500 years ago, so I don't judge them) BUT what really shocks me is when you read the Odyssey—Homer treats his female characters with so much respect? He tells Penelope as this wise, clever, witty Queen, he tells her as Odysseus' equal. Not like she's lesser than Odysseus or Telemachus, there's literally a whole word (Homophrosyne) Homer used to describe Odypen. And even with Circe, we get that extremely clever and dangerous vibe. And, no, it's not because "oOhHHH The aNcIENT GrEEkS JuSt HAtEd eVeRYtHINg wItH bOOBs". But because she's DANGEROUS. She's not dangerous because she's a woman, she's dangerous because she's dangerous. Compare to other female characters who don't have much personality in other Epic's (Like, there are a lot that DO but there are still some that don't), and Penelope really sticks out. Because there's nothing that makes her lesser than Odysseus, she's not perfect, of course, but that's what makes her so great! She's an ACTUAL girlboss character because it doesn't have to be all in your face and misandrist. That's why people like the Odyssey instead of most modern retellings. Because the Odyssey treats Penelope with respect that makes you like her, but not in an overbearing way. THAT'S why people like Much Ado About Nothing and not the retellings. Because the original treats Beatrice as a witty equal but doesn't do it in an annoying in-your-face way.

I don't know what "Much Ado About Nothing" is but holy shit, yes, I genuinely adore how respected many of these women are. In general, many of the women in Greek Myths are given wonderful character and personality but in Homer, like, there's just something special about it that I just adore.

Like there's this one moment in the Iliad that just asklfdj

I saw the husband I was given to by my father and my noble mother killed by sharp bronze before our city. My brothers, three of them, whom my own mother bore, whom I loved, have all met their fatal day. But when swift Achilles killed my husband, you wouldn’t let me weep. You told me then                  you’d make me lord Achilles’ wedded wife, he’d take me in his ships back home to Phthia, for a marriage feast among the Myrmidons. You were always gentle. That’s the reason I’ll never stop this grieving for your death.”                                             As Briseis said this, she wept. The women joined her in wailing for Patroclus, although each of them had her own private sorrows.

(Book 20, Johnston)

The fact that Homer acknowledges that these women, women who were forced into slavery and have lost their loved ones, are not necessarily grieving for Patroclus but are grieving for the loved ones she's lost, is just so fucking profound to me. Straight up with how horrifying this is.

I could go on and on about Penelope as you know but in general just lksdjf

There's this fantastic article that delves into Homer's women and I love it and highly recommend it. It's very good.

[butchkaramazov]

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[australet789]

I just saw anni's post and talking about bad timing OTL

Odypen is my OTP, i would even say it predates every other single ship i had before i even knew what shipping was.

However, I wont ever harrass people for wanting to ship these characters with others. Heck, my favorite Epic/Homer artist ships Ody/Diomedes.

So i apologize for coming as rude with this. The first line was supposed to be playful/sarcastic (you know how i behave), not in any way to rain on people having fun with their aus.

Not exactly shade to anyone who ships Odysseus with the gods (it is shade)

But you are telling me the gods wouldnt have tried to woo Penelope, considering she was 'single', respected Xenia way too much allowing 108 men to live in her palace, and literally the last trick she pulled on her husband was because she was scared it was a god trying to infiltrate her home?

Where is my "there are other ways of persuasion" au with Penelope?

[xjulixred45x]

Bro's the original "Wife guy"

TW: S.A

I honestly like this perspective, not only because it would keep my favorite ship of all time (OdyPen forever) but it would give more visibility to the fact that Odysseus IS indeed a victim of sexual abuse, in general a retelling that gives complexity to MALE victims of antiquity as Homer did it would be **chef kiss**

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honestamente me gusta esta perspectiva, no solo porque mantendria mi ship favorito de todos los tiempos (OdyPen forever) sino que daria mas visibilidad al hecho de que efectivamente Odiseo ES una victima de abuso sexual, en general un reteling que de complejidad a las victimas MASCULINAS de la antiguedad como lo hizo Homero seria **beso de cheff**

Some time ago my sister introduced me to the world of the video game Hades and its sequel, all the lore and references to Greek mythology fascinate me (I'm a Greek mythology nerd, it's my weakness), I didn't think there would be anything that would bother me about the game Well, except one thing, ODYSSEUS.

Odysseus is by far one of my favorite heroes in Greek mythology, not only for his cunning, gray morals and determination, but also for his immense love for his wife and son, that made him different from the rest of the Greek heroes for me. ,that he was a genuinely loving father and a truly devoted husband even with the situations with circe and calypso, which to clarify, NEITHER OF THE TWO WAS CONSENSUS, it was extortion and sexual abuse, Odysseus did not want to be with either of them.

For this reason it made me sad to see that Supergiant showed Odysseus as an unfaithful man (when in the Odyssey this man is the personification of simping) who is separated from his wife.

Even if I find the idea interesting that he is lying and Penelope is and working from the shadows like the partner in crime that they are, I have another idea:

After what happened with Circe and Calypso, he thinks that he no longer deserves Penelope, who according to his words "was waiting for years for an unfaithful man" and that is why he separated from her and calls himself "unfaithful" even though both situations were far from his control.

He loves penelope,he loves telemachus,he waited for years to meet them again,but the calypso and circe incident make him feel DIRTY(wich is common in victims of sexual abuse) and not deserving of the love of penelope and penelope in general.

using the lies about being unfaithfull could be a form of trauma block to avoid thinking about the incident,but at the same time it makes him feel WORSE because he thinks he betrayed the WOMAN HE LOVES,HIS SOULMATE AND LITERALLY HIS OTHER HALF.

Im not okay guys...i just want them to be happy again.

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Hace tiempo mi hermana me introdujo en el mundo del videojuego hades y su secuela,todo el lore y referencias a la mitología griega me fascinan(soy una nerd de mitología griega,es mi debilidad),no pensé que habría algo que me molestaría del juego,bueno,excepto una cosa,ODISEO.

Odiseo es de por lejos uno de mis héroes favoritos de la mitología griega,no solo por su astucia,moral gris y determinacion,sino tambien por el amor inmenso hacia su esposa e hijo,eso hizo que para mi fuera diferente al resto de heroes griegos,que fuera un padre genuinamente amoroso y un esposo realmente devoto aun con las situaciones con circe y calypso que para aclarar NO FUERON CONSENSUADAS NIGUNA DE LAS DOS,fue extorsion y abuso sexual,odiseo no quiso estar con ninguna de las dos.

por esta razon me puso triste el ver que supergiant mostro a odiseo como un hombre infiel (cuando en la odisea este hombre es la personificación del simping) que esta separado de su esposa.

incluso si me parece interesante la idea de que esta mintiendo y penelope trabajando desde las sombras como los partner in crime que son yo tengo otra idea:

que después de lo ocurrido con circe y calypso piensa que ya no se merece a penelope que segun sus palabras "estuvo esperando por años por un hombre infiel" y por eso se separo de ella y se denomina a si mismo como "infiel" aun cuando ambas situaciones estaban lejos de su control.

El ama a penelope,el ama a telemaco,el espejo por años para volver a verlos,pero los incidentes con circe y calypso lo hicieron sentir SUCIO(que es común en víctimas de abuso sexual) y no merecedor del amor de penelope y de penelope en general.

Usar las mentiras sobre ser infiel podría ser una forma de bloqueo traumático para evitar pensar en el incidente, pero al mismo tiempo lo hace sentir PEOR porque cree que traicionó a la MUJER QUE AMA, SU ALMA GAMELA Y LITERALMENTE SU OTRA MITAD.

no estoy bien gente...solo quiero que sean felices otra vez.