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Lmao why do you hate Lambert 😭
Him licking Olivia’s asshole clean, for one. Also he has the guts to call himself a stylist when he never tailors anything and gets all his looks straight from the runway.
#listen I passionately despise that man#the dude literally worked for her and dressed her for evens when Harry looked like he’d rather die than stand next to her#i may have changed my opinion about harry now but no one can deny he was miserable during holivia#he should find some better friends
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kinda funny how shawmilla was actually one of the main reasons they're on the spotlight™️ and being talked left and right but at the same time the only thing that made shawn's careers stuck lmao cuz i'm like 92% sure harry's path and where he is now is what he wanted to achieve at some points
Not really funny for me though lmao the thing is they had different backgrounds. Shawn was literally a baby when he started solo and got overexposed way too soon in my opinion. Being in the band protected Harry for when he went solo, built for him a huge fanbase for when he went solo, crafted his brand image for when he went solo and anyone can argue with the wall if they want.
Shawn is still very young anyway, so I wouldn’t call him completely out of the games. I don’t think he’s stuck as you may think. I think he’s stuck because his carreer skyrocketed too early and then nothing.
Shawmila was a mess and honestly I think it did them so dirty, so dirty. I hope this shawmila 2.0 will be less cringy. If they have learned something from the previous mistakes, this could potentially be helping them lol but I have zero expectations.
#it’s not your perception#shawn is perceived as the next harry imo#they collaborate with the same people and will do basically the same things#the fashion thing the golden boy image and stuff#it has created a weird competition between two nice white boys#i can talk for hours about the way wonder in 2021 is literally an Harry’s house ante litteram#becase i fear kid harpon was basically working on the same projects at the same time lol#so you have some song productions that are basically the same#but ill spare the nasty comments :)#casella di posta numero 32#also look at the comparison with holivia#holivia basically handed harry all his has now#when people were wondering why he would accept something like that#they should start thinking that stunting is a contract and he gained money in forms of grammys awards and popularity#because he did it with very influential people in the business#which makes me sad#but also i cant really judge since it’s not my life
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Hi Gina, hope you’re doing well.
I have been on and off out of the fandom last two years and (luckily) missed the insanity when it became known that Harry has a new tattoo that people assumed to be “Olivia”. Now, I just discovered this new tattoo like five minutes ago, and I did not see any definite conclusion that this has been debunked. I am a graphic designer that specializes in typography and I can assure you that it does not say Olivia, but “Olma”. I will look into the actual font at a later time, but knowing how these cursive fonts work, you can clearly see the “m”, as the lines have a round bend at the top, rather than it being more angular when it would be the “ivi”. (the “v” could have more of a round bend, but the “i” for sure would be angular) If you want, I can show some examples later.
Maybe this has been debunked already, dunno, but wanted to add my opinion into the void. Ignore this if not relevant!
Hi darling. I'm so sorry you had to stumble on that nonsense. It hasn't been officially debunked, but it certainly has been discussed A LOT, and the idea that it says Olma was one of the theories.
I think the main reason it hasn't been accepted as fact is that we can't figure out why he would choose to tattoo that word. But I was just looking up the town of Olma in Italy and look how many people live there. 🤣 You literally can't make this shit up.
Anyway, I really do think it says Olma and not Olivia. And I think the main reason we didn't see it until we did (after his tour ended and long after Holivia ended) was because it doesn't actually say Olivia. I still believe the theory that he agreed to a tattoo instead of something else she was pushing for that was more distasteful to him (maybe an engagement). And then he wormed around it by having it actually say Olma but waited until the stunt was long over, so he got away with it. The world thinks it says Olivia. But, as you say, if you look closely at the font, it really doesn't.
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i’m sorry to bring this up again, but i wanted to ask how are you making sense of harry having his former girlfriend’s name tattooed on his thigh if you don’t think they were really together? i’m not a larrie and i follow you for your louis content, but i respect your opinions, so i guess i’m coming more from a place of curiosity rather than seeking reassurance. do you not even entertain for one second the idea that you might’ve been wrong about things? that harry was really in a relationship with olivia? that he might actually be attracted to women? that he might’ve been with louis once upon a time but not anymore? have you ever challenged your confirmation bias? again, i’m not trying to attack you, i really just want to understand where you stand. i hope u don’t take this the wrong way.
well first of all you bring up the very good point that there are actually multiple Qs at play and not just one, despite the fandom's (and my) attempts to simplify things. I personally am open to the possibility that Harry and Louis are no longer together- we don't have enough info to say for sure either way about that, and I am constantly recalibrating and considering and I'm going to be totally honest, getting flat out ANNOYED at how often I find myself being like oh damn they ARE still (or again) together ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Because it seems so improbable and illogical! You think I don't KNOW I sound fucking crazy?! Absolutely infuriating, and yet there are just all these little Things all the time. Plus ofc the fact that they both constantly wink wink larrie stuff to the fandom which could just be playing to the crowd... except then they both continually take it that little extra way that makes me go oh but... you really didn't NEED to go THERE that seems VERY pointed?? But also sometimes I go well. Okay, maybe not. Since they both seem super happy at this point, it doesn't stress me out to think they might have split, the way it would if they seemed miserable and were still churning out heartbreak songs, but it's schrodingers relationship and with all the savvy they've acquired around this stuff and all the balls they're keeping in the air wrt to fandom etc that's unlikely to change in favor of us knowing anything for sure for a very long time, if ever. But I do not doubt that they WERE together, it's simply not realistic. The evidence of it is overwhelming and imo undeniable when taken all together. And the thing is that knowing one thing with certainty (that they were together back when), having really looked at the things that happened during that time, does actually have a lot of bearing on the rest of it even if they aren't together anymore. Because knowing that and having seen the way fake relationships to make them seem straight were managed back then means that when I see the EXACT SAME things being done in the current day, like they are working from a fucking blueprint, no, I don't look at that and think it might be real. I know that Louis and Eleanor wasn't real in... whenever they allegedly got together lol, that story still isn't even quite straight, so why would I believe they were together in 2020? And if I know Louis has a tattoo for a fake girlfriend why would it change my mind about a million things I can see with my own eyes if Harry did the same (if indeed he even has who tf knows)? So despite what I said at the beginning, in the end it kind of does just come down to the one question people are always asking, are you a larrie? Because when you've actually been down the rabbit hole of details that ends up with you saying yes to that question, it's like acquiring a rosetta stone that unlocks the ability to read everything else, like putting on xray glasses, and I look at what is so obviously a publicity relationship (holivia) and whether H and L are still together has nothing to do with why I don't think it's real. Like could a celeb relationship be both used in typical ways for publicity and be or become real on some level (looking at you Liam, heyyy), sure, but for this question the fact that I have never seen Harry show the slightest sign of attraction to a woman in his whole life and he so clearly embraces and identifies so strongly with gay male culture in every possible way and never shuts up about how much he loves cock does play into my thinking; I simply do not think he is attracted to women, no, and I have yet to see him do anything that doesn't seem consistent with things a closeted pop star might chose to do. So in conclusion yes I have challenged my bias and decided I'm right lol! But for real- all the time I consider that they perhaps aren't together but that isn't really the point when it comes to believing they are gay.
#I feel like the follow up anons to this will logically be SO WHY NOT BRAD so lemme just jump on that cause I don't really want to#have a whole thing about that#honestly for me it's WHY BRAD. It makes perfect sense for him to be with harry all the time (and therefore for them to borrow each others#jumpers yes) so why would I think they were dating any more than I think H is dating his security guard or luis. the fandom just latches#onto the idea that people around them who they think would look hot with are a thing but other than that literally NOTHING about this guy's#association with H is actually different than many other employee/pals imo and I see literally nothing that suggests anything going on ther#so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯#I mean I DO think Harry has weirdly fluid boundaries around considering his employees friends in a way that seems like he doesn't#really GET the power differential possibly (because how could he he's been on that side of it his whole adult life) but I'm not there#behind the scenes with them; hopefully that's not the case#but that's a separate issue#blah blah blah#long post#I TRIED to keep it short and tidy but NO people gonna ask the long form questions#which btw I appreciate I do enjoy a good thoughtful anon thx
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Hi! Did you see Harry signed a plate for an Italian restaurant saying that they have the best chicken in the whole Italy.
Do you think he changed his diet and is not a pescatarian any more? I remember in the vogue articles from 2020 he said he has been pescatarian for 3 years, but it was released also just before holivia started and she is the one who is pescatarian, do you think it’s possible that they tried to connect them with having the same interests and habits?
Or he just started randomly eating chicken after 7 years?
Hi, anon!
I've talked about this before, but i think that Harry was never really a pescatarian/vegetarian/vegan. I think he's a flexitarian. I think his diet and work out regime was very different when he was touring and acting. He practiced clean living, diciplined work outs, 10 hours of sleep, and probably avoided processed food, alcohol and stuck to fish for meat, because it's leaner and healthier. When he was done touring he went back to eating whatever, drinking and cut down on his work outs.
He probably dreamt of having a juicy five guys burger, Louis' chicken wrapped in parma ham and mozzarella with a side of homemade mash, or his mothers sunday roast while he was eating broccoli and running up and down the stadium stairs while touring.
Harry eats meat and some people in this fandom refuse to see it despite everything pointing to it. It really is fascinating.
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Why do you think are we seeing Brad so much these days? I know he is not harrys “boo” but Its so annoying that he is basically Xander 2.0
Let Harry have friends 2k23!!!!!
This is my new campaign.
Yes, you may say he has friends. But I don't see anyone losing their marbles over non white, non-conventionally attractive friends.
Like, think about his position. He's on a long ass tour with the same crew of people. He's the biggest pop star of the moment and has always been a huge deal. It's hard for him to trust people and get close to people because literally everyone has an agenda or wants something from him. Brad is his trainer and has been touring and close to him for months now. They became friends. Which is rare. Don't you become friends with people you are working closely with? Even if you're not bffs, you still talk, may do stuff together. It's life.
Nobody cared about Brad until they ended the Holivia stunt and Harry became "publicly single", but god forbid Harry Styles be single. No. He must be fucking the next thing he's pictured next to.
Fans are going nuts over it, so the media is talking because they talk about what will get clicks. But other than them being friends in addition to the trainer job, I see nothing extra to it at all.
Nobody is getting their panties in a twist over Oli. But I bet if he was a "hot Brad" everyone would be crying and screaming about how Oli is everywhere with Louis and it must mean they're fucking, because god forbid he has a close friend.
Someone make me a banner for my harry friends campaign pls.
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I don’t have any experience in dating but correct me if I’m wrong would you bring your new boyfriend to the opening of your show knowing its a big event and he’s one of the biggest popstar in the world?When the said popstar always talks about privacy and keeping his relationships private even though he’s parading all over italy, La and London with his “girlfriend” and snogging on streets and yachts (I’m so over Harry always talking about privacy and then contracting his words). Even if it was a normal relationship of two common people isn’t it weird to have your new boyfriend at your workplace? I personally wouldn’t be comfortable with someone I’ve been seeing for a few weeks to meet my colleagues but maybe that’s just me.
Hi nonnie, this is such a broad subject, I hope I make sense.
Ummm if you had just started seeing each other, it is definitely a huge step. But if your whatever he is, was sort of hanging out in the same scene, it’s not as big of a deal for him to show up at the workplace. He would meet (work) friends there, he isn’t depending on you to spend time with him.
BUT this isn’t normal life. Their job is inherently about publicity. This play, all people involved, all celebs who came to the premiere, they want to be seen. They want a moment of attention. They want people to talk about them.
So you must presume, Harry and Taylor are very well aware of the fame, attention and extra press that would bring her. And obviously she very much liked that to happen. Hence her showing up in Barcelona and now doing the Holivia™️ strolls through London.
What I struggle to understand with Harry’s het fans is if I thought he was romantically involved with all of these women, it would break my heart for him.
Because Harry has this pattern of providing these women a platform to become more famous off of his back, getting them access to luxury brands and to a-list circles although it’s always like two days into some situationship.
Wouldn’t you get the feeling he seems to believe that’s all he has offer for them to stay. Wouldn’t you wish for a partner at his side who wants to love him without all that media circus. Who’s happy not being famously linked to him? Anyway, they don’t even love the same man I love. 😒
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If anyone cares to track this garbage, these are screenshots from any time Harry and Emrata were mentioned together on Deux Moi starting with her being sighted at his July 5 Paris show (I dunno if it's exhaustive, but I was curious if this was gonna be a stunt so I started paying attention). It's amusing how hard they went on the threesome. It could have started from a fan being stupid, but it sure seems like someone's working to make it pop culture lore. Maybe "Harry had a threesome" is the salacious stand-in for "Harry likes older women" since Emrata is a boring two years older than him (and this way Olivia gets to keep slurping on the dregs of her stunt). I'm not saying Emrata herself is boring — she's apparently quite the exhibitionist. It seems the HSHQ strategy is to find the most self-absorbed attention seekers and light the fuse. Funny innit how the threesome gets mentioned when Holivia ends and brought back up right before Hemrata/Ratarry/Ratatourry debuts? I wish Harry's team wasn't ok with this. At worst, they started it; at best, they didn't stop it. They continue to indulge the lowest common denominator — the people who salivate over this shit — because the quality of fans isn't important, just the quantity.
Can I give you that back? I don't want it.
Rest of screenshots under cut.
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Posted on November 21, 2022 (Harry followed Emily on November 15 and we got Holivia news November 18):
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And just for funsies, this February 6, 2023, post that makes sure — amid all the rumors of Harry hooking up with people in Australia and Asia — that we'll know he's dating when we see it.
#harry#harry styles#emily ratajkowski#hemrata#ratarry#rattry#ratatourry#stunts#deuxmoi#not a limerick#holivia#i guess spring stunt season has sprung#loufie#zayn and selena#liam and the new blonde#harry and whatever tf this is#march 23#2023
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Ooh, if you are in the mood for a deep dive, can you talk about the reasons why Mexico is so special? I loved what L said yesterday, something about poetic and romantic, and I’d adore to know everything behind that. Thanks!
hellooooo! there’s not been too much proof about Larry and Mexico, except for the fact that the Holivia BUA happened just before H went to Mexico, and the Elounor BUA also happened just before L went to Mexico. So it’s like… a lot of people anticipate a BUA or the end of a stunt prior to a Mexico tour. So it’s a bit more of a larrie theorie, but we also do get stunt action there too, unfortunately (Louis and DC in Mexico where she was topless(????), Harry with that girl by the pool etc.).
Someone said it like this the other day: LA is work, London is home, and Mexico is freedom. Louis’ comment about romance and poetry supports what has happened prior to trips to Mexico for H and L before. I don’t know what it is about it, but yeah, two BUA of long term stunts happening right before H/L went to Mexico? Pretty odd. But yeah, I mean, we still get stunt content in every city they visit.
BUT we did get the beautiful Larry whisper/kiss there, louis pointing at the Pride “love is only for the brave” flag that had a pic of Larry hugging on it, Larry interacting and having fun for like the first time in FOREVER (a reference to their tattoos with the lighthouse which is hilarious), and more of Larry interacting and their legs being pressed up against each other. And im sure other instances too, but those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
And it’s not just about Larry either. Louis and Niall had a reunion in Mexico in 2019 too. So, yeah. All very cute, and we seem to get some lovely content when they’re there (minus the over the top stunts). Louis wrapping a flag around his shoulders is lovely to see, too. Hopefully it’s a pride one soon!!
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Hi, I'm the one who asked you if it was Tae in the Paris video.
Well, first of all, I'm not trying hard to not "believe" that it was him so it would make me doubt Taekook, of course not.
I don't know what was the purpose of this Paris walk but I know for sure that it's beneficiated one person and it was that girl.
I have plenty of proofs why it wasn't him : the walk, the body, the face, etc. Everything has been debunked by accounts on Twitter the moment the video went viral.
And when I said: "stoop this low", I was thinking about the act of someone like Tae ( a big celebrity from the biggest boyband in the world and also a pretty busy person) agreeing to walk with someone around a city with cameras following them just for people to think he is straight or clear his homosexual agenda.
This just doesn't make sense to me, because he gave multiple hints that he wasn't involved in that and showed even MORE of his homosexual side afterward.
So what was the point of it all if it was him??
Now honestly I want to know your reasons for thinking this was Tae.
Hi anon!
Paris is the only thing that gives Taennie some credibility. Without that walk, it would just be some rumors. So many Tkkrs stopped believing after that walk.. and that’s the purpose right.. less people had to think Tae could be queer. That’s the principle of closeting.. the less people think someone is queer.. the safer. But without that walk.. it was very much.. are they, aren’t they. This solidified it for many people. Job done.
I don’t think Tae gave any hints of that not having been him. I think he did try to distance himself after, by untagging Taennies for instance. What matter most in this is that Tae has had an evident female relationship. It doesn’t matter what he did afterwards with Layover or on socials to ‘hint’ at his queerness. The ‘relationship with a female’ is what is on most people’s minds. Tae will go into the army with a breakup with Jennie fresh in everyone’s minds. That is what this has done and what people think of right now… not of him wearing a Disney pride hoody a while back.
I think the movements and body language all fit Tae. You can even see how he wasn’t into it at all. At the clearer pictures I think it is also his face (that blown up pic with a gap between his teeth is manipulated to an extreme, so I tend to lean to that being the work of a fan). His manager was there. He was dressed full in Celine. There were a lot of people around. The pap talked about it in extreme. It was Jennie there as wel.
I don’t automatically take accounts on Twitter to be the source of knowledge and my own analysis is that it’s them. To me there’s more pointing to it being them than to it not being them. Is there weirdness involved? Absolutely. Weird scheduling stuff, weird footage, weird backstory from the pap… but I do think those people are Tae and Jennie.
Is it possible the stuff was shot at a different time, sure. But when something like this is thought up, there’s a goal they want it to reach. There’s money and schedules involved (paid pap, possible paid fans). The main goal was to get attention to Jennie’s show, the side effect was closeting for Tae. There was no room for failure (being found out for faking it) because then the goal would not have been reached. Jennie’s show would not have gotten the attention, Tae would not have gotten the cover… and.. how were they supposed to trust again? Just going for a rerun in another city would have been idiotic and not credible.. and it would have had to been them that time to not blow up in their faces again.
There’s plenty of celebs who do this. Harry Styles (every other weekend during Holivia) Taylor Swift (now this new thing seems real.. but tell me it’s not also pr), the Kardashians.. all big names.. all going on papwalks themselves. Are idols above this? Why would they be? Especially with Hybe and Yg involeved.
It’s not really on us to judge how someone deals with their closet anon. You might feel people should be above that, but that is not exactly how the world works. Plenty of big celebs have had to walk around with someone from the opposite sex to come across as straight. That is not something to think lightly about. Plenty of common people have to get a friend to accompany them to a family event to act as a date… for covering up their sexuality. Being famous only means you have more of a spotlight on you. We talk about Tae and Jk not being safe in the army all the time.. why is taking that step so not understandable?
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Remember when harries like the usual losers they are said that the jacket was a “stunt jacket” because the toupee man was wearing it during holivia and then tayrry?
Now that he’s single and he keeps wearing it, to the point that it probably smells like a public toilet, they changed the script. Now they call it “the work jacket” because “when he wears it, he’s definitely working”
HAHAHAHA They’re such sad people!
It's his jacket. Also. He's easily identifiable in it, isn't he?
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Do you think LOT prolonged Harry and Olivia’s relationship? I think they would’ve tried to save face for DWD’s sake either way but it’s interesting to me bc she clearly enjoyed and made the effort to be seen at his shows almost every week and the madness of everything was tied up in the tour for a while. So much of the intensity of their relationship seemed to be born out of covid restrictions limiting them to the house and her fertility causing them to speed run some decisions. I can’t picture what a tl looks for them where lot doesn’t happen so they’re at home more or jason doesn’t pick a fight with custody. It’s weird to think about now because the harry pre dwd and post dwd/olivia seem like different people to me and I can’t imagine him in that situation now. for all the genuinely traumatising scrutiny that must’ve been and I assume heartbreak over losing olivia and subsequently taylor, I think having a serious relationship that was 100x less publicised than holivia and having tour probably helped him process and made him think a lot about his choices
when I said it was a bit traumatic I didn’t even mean the public side of it lol (that too obviously and escalated the whole situation for sure), I meant like dating a woman going through what was essentially a divorce that included a very horrible custody battle that involved two kids and a really nasty ex is a WHOLE LOT for anyone but especially someone in their late 20s/early 30s imo who hasn’t had that type of experience before. Like NO ONE has fun during custody battles/divorces but at least if you’ve had your own experiences with them it’s like “okay here’s what I did” but Harry hadn’t had any experience with that beyond being a child of divorce and seeing Ann’s divorce with John and then seeing Robin really step the fuck up for Gemma and him? And I just imagine, even outside like the celebrity side of it, that that would’ve been really difficult. I’m basically his age, am a child of divorce, have seen my mum divorce twice more lol, am not in principle averse to dating someone with kids (haven’t ever but not like because it’s a rule for me) and have an older partner but ngl if my partner were going through a custody battle while with me I’d be very fucking stressed and I think pretty useless with advice and wouldn’t even be the best at the moral support side because it’s just like… quite far out of the realm of my own experience. And I do get the sense that Harry was hella overwhelmed lol and also again partly because of how much he loved/loves Robin and respected Robin, he was trying to do the right thing for Olivia and the kids but also like he’s not yk old enough per se to be in that position.
I don’t know what their whole situation would’ve been in another life where she’d left Jason in a classy fashion and had obtained a normal parenting plan and then started dating Harry. And also what it would’ve been like without LOT and all the DWD drama that was unrelated to them/this. Like that would’ve been a completely different tl and maybe it would’ve worked better because they clearly got along grand for the most part and did really love each other and if things were chill from Jason’s end like I don’t think the kids would’ve been a problem at all. I don’t think Harry would’ve tried to replace him or anything as their dad but also would’ve tried to be a good stepfather figure.
the biological clock thing would still have been an issue just because like she realistically needs to have a kid in the next few years if she wants more bio kids - she can’t really wait another 8 years or anything - but they did seem legit open to kids together idk so again without Jason drama + all the other crap then maybe it would’ve worked out. It didn’t.
and I agree the Taylor thing was healthier and probably helped him work through a few of the issues he’d built up over the past few years but clearly also didn’t work out and imo he should take it slow with the next girl and like see where things go and how they develop. Which again is why Olivia D or someone like her, who’s busy and not really in a rush to marry/have kids etc, would imo be a really good idea. He needn’t stay single but I also don’t think he should move in with someone and/or start talking rings and cradles in the next year or so lol. He should just chill for a bit.
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Hi Gina!!
Since Liam's passing, I’ve reconnected with the boys and caught up on their solo careers, especially Harry and Louis'. I wanted to share some thoughts now that I’m back (sorry for my english btw):
1. I’m surprised, but also not, at everything that’s happened around Harry’s public image vs. how he really is. I mean, sure, the womanizer image has been reinforced with holivia, hussell, and emrata, but it’s funny how that’s so different from who Harry truly is.
We know he’s evolved as an artist and person, but just hearing the way he talks about his art, his fans, love, friendship, success, and work shows that he’s still this humble, quirky, down-to-earth, kind, ambitious guy who loves making music, not this womanizer the media portrays.
I’m really proud of Harry because it’s impressive how he’s learned to separate his personal life from his public image. I feel like that takes a lot of personal growth. I know he’s more involved in his professional decisions now, even some I don’t like as a fan, but hearing him and knowing his essence is still there makes me want to keep rooting for him.
2. I have tw and instagram, and I don’t know why so many fans there are now obsessed with Louis being a dad. I was in the fandom when bg happened, and anyone who paid attention to how it all started knows Louis isn’t that child’s father. It doesn’t matter how many times people show me pics “proving” Freddie looks like Louis, or how many times Louis' sisters post Freddie on their socials, I won’t believe he’s the dad.
3. Lastly, I still believe in Larry after all this time :). And beyond all the receipts or proof we have post one direction (which are plenty, not to mention their songs), the fact that neither of them has ever looked at anyone the way they looked at each other is enough to keep believing they’re together.
Just wanted to share that, Gina.
Hope you’re having a great day.
Hi, darling. So glad you’ve made your way back and have caught up. I have to say, I totally agree with you on all of the above.
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Hey! Just wanted to ask if you're still a larrie? I left during holivia because that shit left such a bad taste in my mouth, but I remember during that time I read a lot of your posts and replies to anons. I found it quite comforting. Anyway I thought I'd give this fandom thing another try and it's working out so far because Harry and Louis are mia (we'll see where I stand when they get back to work lol). Just wondering where you stand these days, as the general consensus seems to be they've broken up?
oh is it? lmao i had no idea. i am just vibing as before, as always. i might not be writing any of the posts i used to, but i still Believe. but hey, not here to convince anyone of anything and tbh i have very little to base my thoughts on. and i think that's why nothing has changed for me bc i don't feel like a lot has changed, full stop, good or bad. harry just hasn't been working, louis has also been off for a while now........... that's what i've been thinking hahah BUT that said i also really do not seek out anything at all about current affairs and i feel so good about that. in any case: welcome back! we'll see what the future brings hehe
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I think that along with L*ewe, which they've both been wearing a lot, and L*me and other stuff they're promoting, that the stunt is in part to undo the damage O*ivia did to Harry's image. They couldn't do another PR relationship like Holivia because people would turn against Harry completely as he's so overexposed so they had no choice but to make this one low key and unproblematic. They want people to be invested in it, and many are but there's many ignoring it too. It has definitely helped his image with some of the gp, who think the 'relationship' is cute. But I'm angry at him and his team. He made that romantic quote at his show, supposedly giving advice to a fan but no doubt the whole exchange was orchestrated, and it turned out it was something T*ylor also said and it was used to sell their relationship, they used the exact same tactic with Holivia. I ignored it with Holivia because that whole stunt was weird but when they used that tactic again it really made me question how genuine Harry's shows are. Even that 'daddy' exchange at his show it turned out that the guy works for Pleasing. That was a set up. Lol. How are we supposed to believe anything he says when it's used to sell stunts, and even his shows aren't safe from them. I also stupidly thought that he might CO or stop stunting after the queerbaiting backlash. I thought that the backlash was too much for HSHQ to ignore, it was all over the media and social media. Then he literally went into another pr relationship after. They learned nothing, except to make this pr relationship more low key. I hate this need for him to always be publicly in a relationship or if he isn't then he's linked to a different model every week. His success is so manufactured, he has got to where he is by connections only. He hasn't earned his position. He is a very talented musician but they don't lean into his talent to sell him, it's completely overshadowed by his PR stunts. They could have done so much else with him.
Hi, anon!
I still don't understand how a pr/bearding relationship is going to rehab the damage of another pr/bearding relationship. The only thing holivia did was make people sick and tired of his pr relationships. We are stunt fatigued. This is yet another one, but with added shit aka poorly disguised repetitive brand promo. The obvious brand promo is actually making the whole thing look more fake. I see more and more people calling H out on his bs.
Yes, they use the same tricks every stunt. They start seeding a relationship with small things like that, that makes sense in hindsight. And yes, so much H does that seems organic is preplanned, set up or contrived. Even at his shows. We see less and less of the real Harry. Everything he does or shows us is controlled and is connected to an agenda. Things that might seem innocent on surface level always seems to be tied to a stunt or commercial gain. He's a walking billboard, always selling us something. We don’t get any fan service to make up for it either anymore, that's were the issue lies. There is nothing good to make up for the bad (or the things we tolerate for his sake).
I do wish they'd have more faith in him as a talented artist. I wish he had more faith in himself too. I think everyone makes more money this way, but i don't understand how he's not embarrased and ashamed. He does look annoyed and pissed off in all the photos from the last month. Is a cranky H good promo for the citrus fruit brand or the german lion brand? Is the fandom making fun of it's ridiculousness good promo? I think we're all counting the days until this phase is over. He doesn’t need to stunt like this to rehab his image after O. As you say, there's loads of other things he could do that give him pr that everyone would love, including him.
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“when harry wasn’t giving us a cute insight into his and louis’ relationship but was instead giving us a stunt easter egg” What was the insight turned easter egg? I feel like I missed something.😬 Please only answer if you’ve got the capacity…I imagine you’re probably already getting sick of the subject. Thanks!
It was about the protecting your solitude thing he said.
They did the same with Holivia and it worked, so they're using it again to fast launch this boring stunt.
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