#hehe :)) this is like ambrosia to the greek gods
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#hehe :)) this is like ambrosia to the greek gods#i'll never shut up about meeting stevie especially. he hugged me several times and always apologized for being sweaty#like 1) i'm sweaty too 2) it's impossible not to sweat at this bar 3) i know ppl who would kill to feel a drop of their fav artists' sweat#i don't even mean in this in a weird fangirl way it's just on another level of musicians being chill that they hug ppl while sweaty ykwim#like some shower before they come out after a show and some don't meet their fans at all#so them just coming to the merch table or the bar area after getting off the stage and giving out free hugs >>>>>#mel talks
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Okay Queen, I’ve gone through every possibility and it’s either
1. Izanagi
2. Cu Chulainn
3. Sun Wukong
4. Ra (which would be very funny since Anubis is his great great grandson)
5. Rudra (I checked! He hasn’t been mentioned!!!)
6. Hephaestus
7. Zerofuku
8. Tsukuyomi
9. Ahura Mazda
10. Or any of the gods in the spin-off that we haven’t seen yet, but I doubt it cuz they haven’t shown up and we don’t know what they look like.
11. WAIT IS IT ARTHUR GRAY FROM THE JACK SPINOFF? He’s a demigod and I know you made a post about him once!!!!
LMAO YOU MADE A LIST 😭😭😭😭😭
you worked so hard, but i can't tell you who it is cuz i'm still planning for them to see if it'll work out well 😭
but i can definitely tell you it's not hephaestus cuz i mentioned no more greeks, and it's not arthur gray either
im not caught up in the jack spin-off, but unfortunately it turns out that he's not ACTUALLY a demigod (didn't drink ambrosia, nor is he half-good)
apparently "demigod" is just his alias cuz of how fucking strong this dude is 😭😭
(oh but the potential love interest definitely is in this list u made hehe)
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Heyyyy so about that pjo/batfam au.... I love it.
I wonder if any of the bat kids are legacies or half bloods? Like, they'd be ripe for urgent adoption and training, given the inherent risk of monsters! Not to mention the specially bred deep rooted battle/hero instincts. Would only some be half bloods? Any? How would that affect the dynamics, to have some (or just B) be aware of and able to interact with this whole secret world complete with monsters hidden in plain sight?? There's got to be tons of secret pjo resource stashes like different metals, foods, weapons, armour hidden everywhere hehe.
Ooh, would a bat kid ever have accidentally eaten ambrosia/nectar (or gotten close) without knowing what it is? Is Alfred a legacy?? A satyr?!! That'd be so so cool. (and it'd be an explanation for how long lived he is lmao)
If the batkids were all legacies/half bloods, who would be who? Would there be a mix of greek/roman? Is Bruce aware of the Egyptians or Norse lot?? I'm so curioussssss
ooo okay so the batkids! i explained it like... a year ago (jeez) in this post but here's the basic rundown:
Bruce: Athena (three parents, complicated situation)
Dick: Hermes (three parents, uncomplicated situation)
Babs: mortal, clearsighted, not The Oracle but calls herself Oracle
Jason: Nemesis (still working this one out)
Cass: Shiva/Nike, raised by David Cain
Tim: Bellona/Janet (who is a legacy of zeus)
Steph: Apollo
Damian: Legacy Athena/Hades
Duke: normal ("normal") meta but everyone up to and including Apollo thinks he's Apollo's kid
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There are definitely stashes of demigod resources! most of the stock is in the Batcave, but they definitely have stashes in all the safehouses. They're basically like any other resource- medical supplies, celestial bronze dagger, batarangs, smoke pellets, ambrosia, etc. Considering that celestial bronze and nectar/ambrosia are pretty rare, i doubt they're using them daily, but everyone definitely has emergency demigod equipment on them. I'm also making Gotham a Land Beyond Gods, a la Alaska in SoN, so there's less of a monster problem than other cities. Gotham kinda like the trash dump of the demigod world- all the weird fucked up stuff ends up there for our intrepid heroes to get chased by.
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Most of the Batkids are aware of who they are, eventually! Bruce, Cass, and Damian always know, Dick and Jason figure it out pretty quickly after living with Bruce, Tim figures it out himself before becoming Robin, and Steph only figures it out after she "dies" (poor guy). Bruce isn't very good with the Mist, and monsters aren't like, a huge problem in Gotham, so it's not really a big deal to them if they are/aren't demigods. Babs kept up just fine as a mortal, after all. Like i said earlier, ambrosia/nectar are in short supply in Gotham (bruce doesn't really have a consistent way of getting more besides through diana, who also doesnt really have a consistent way of getting more), so nobody's eating any by accident.
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I have literally no idea what's going on with Alfred. I joked a while back that he's a minor god, which I'm not opposed to, I'd just have to work that one out a bit more. The satyr idea is fun and works really well, except imagining Alfred with goat legs and eating aluminum cans freaks me out and I don't know what to do about that. He could also just be a mortal blessed by [insert god here] to have a longer lifespan, or someone who made a deal with [insert god here] to be alive as long as Bruce/the Wayne family needs him. It'll be interesting to figure out, whenever I end up doing that!
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Bruce and Co. are NOT aware of the other pantheons! As in, they are so unaware of the other pantheons that nobody can figure out who the fuck Tim's godly parent is. Bellona is on nobody's radar, everyone is split between Ares/Dionysus/Athena/????. They also haven't figured out he's a Zeus legacy, because his ancestor fled to Gotham during WW2 and then did their best to hide their heritage for their and their kids' safety. Poor guy doesn't know what the fuck is going on, basically. Bruce is actually pretty cut off from CHB, so he's not super up-to-date about the demigod world. He tends to focus more on the superhero side of things. His kids have varying levels of interest/affiliation with the demigods, but they're definitely not on the "first to know" end of news whenever things happen. It takes a hot minute for anyone to figure out the Romans exist, and considering that Percy and Annabeth try pretty hard to conceal the Egyptian and presumably Norse pantheons, we can assume the Batfam isn't aware of those guys for quite a bit after the Greeks learn about them.
#i should make an ask tag#pjo batfam au#pjo#batfam#dcu#percy jackson#i also want to clarify that most of this isn't set in stone until its posted on ao3#im still wiggling things around to make everything fit right but the VIBES. the ESSENCE is still there. thats what matters#<- tags from a person trying to convince themself that worldbuilding on the fly is the correct way to do things#also THANK YOU for so many questions in this ask sorry this took me FOREVER to respond (two days)#i love talking about my aus everybody come yell questions at me
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When Will My Blood Turn to Ichor?
Someone once asked in my inbox abt a Cypher WIP that was just titled “Cypher”. your ask disappeared one day (aka I was on my phone and wasn’t looking so it just... hehe sorry). I haven’t forgotten about you, I just didn’t know what was going to happen with it so I wanted to hold off on showing anything. I think the answer is nothing as of right now? There are other things that are on my mind more, so enjoy what I started with :))
“I, am Prometheus, and you are just a god.”
He had said that once to his team after an exhilarating victory. The ones who understood what he was talking about raised a brow at him. The ones who didn’t just smiled and nodded along. But looking back now, he saw a truth in the words that had been overshadowed by the joy in the moment.
Prometheus… He said that because he loved the intricacies of humanity that it felt like only he could see. There was beauty and madness, the fresh bloom of joy and the cutting sting of pain. He gave fire, and so he gave life. But how was he supposed to know that there were consequences to breaking expectations? A vengeance borne out of a gift?
The Greek heroes sure weren’t happy. Not many were, if any at all. Achilles followed his love to the grave while drowning in rage and blood, their mixed ashes as the only evidence of their tears, dried up and lost over centuries. Bellerophon and Icarus, who both flew too high, one blinded by curiosity, the other, freedom. Both met the earth in tragedy as willed by the gods. And don’t get him started on Arachne, or Heracles, or Jason. Doom was the human fate.
The gods were above them, so they thought. But were the gods even all that happy? They were said to drink, to eat, to enjoy life, but did they really? At what point did their wine start tasting like blood? Blood of the mortals with blood on their hand whether it be from some petty argument or passing fit of rage. Or when did their ambrosia start tasting like nothing at all? How much did it take for the delicacy of the gods to taste like sand? Of disappointment and regrets? Hera was married to a man who didn’t love her as she wanted. The trail of dead mistresses made that clear. Artemis spent her life rejecting the advances of countless men, and when she found the one that she could perhaps tolerate, the gods punished her, and Orion was now nothing but a belt of stars. Dionysus was a god of hedonism, but did he ever think about his life as a mortal? Did he taste the same pains? Or did that wash away with the gold in his veins?
In his burst of poetry on that one fateful day, where everything seemed like it was going his way, he foretold his doom. As tragic heroes often did, didn’t they?
In an existence where everything is a different flavour of pain, choosing to enjoy happiness as it came was what kept you human. That’s what Nora told him. So he enjoyed her soft voice and her smile. And he loved his daughter fiercely, her small hands on the side of his face, the curiosity in her eyes that reminded him of what it meant to live. He needed them more than he needed this poor, worthless life, and so that was why he kept going.
If he lost them, then was there a reason to live at all? Well, he did lose them… so what came next?
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I’d argue that Wake fills the Zeus role and John fills the Demeter role. In the myth, at least in most versions I’ve encountered, Zeus promises Persephone to Hades as a bride. There is a trope in Greek mythology of marriage = death, also one of womb = tomb. I think both apply to degree here. Wake intends for Gideon to be a sacrifice and functionally promises her to the Ninth. This is how Wake fills the Zeus role. John keeps Dominicus going with his necromancy, at least that’s how I understand it. HtN was confusing A F. John’s fueling of Dominicus allows the solar system to continue to live. Demeter allows the growth of crops, the breeding and cultivation of animals, and in some versions of the myth, even human reproduction. When Persephone is abducted, Demeter doesn’t allow anything to grow. Eventually, it becomes a problem tm* and Zeus has to intervene. That’s why Persephone is allowed to leave the underworld. Though she stops for a snack before she heads out (and there’s furious debate in academia about whether she was tricked/tempted into eating the pomegranate seeds or knowingly doomed herself to living in the underworld for part of the year because she kinda liked Hades, but all that is a bit beside the point right now). I think there is a mirror between Demeter not allowing anything to grow and Zeus having to appease her, and John (with his lyctors and the cohort) flipping planets to harness the death energy and Wake (and BoE) fighting back against him.
A further expansion of my idea that John is Demeter: when Persephone is in the underworld for the first time, Demeter wanders all over trying to find her. Eventually she stops for a bit in a village called Eleusis. She takes the form of an old crone and the king and his wife, Celeus and Metanira, take her in as a caretaker for their son, Demophon. Demeter takes a liking to the family and resolves to make Demophon a god (there is also debate about her doing this to semi replace Persephone, because at this point she doesn’t know who took Persephone). She does this by feeding the baby ambrosia and baking him in the oven. Ambrosia to make him a god, fire to burn away his mortality. She does this ritual, but I interrupted by Metanira before it is finished. The queen snatches her child from the fire and screams at Demeter. Then, Demeter shows her true form and tells her what she just done did. In some versions, Demophon survives and becomes a great hero, in others he dies because the ritual wasn’t completed. I argue that this is echoed by Harrow’s incomplete lysis. She eats ambrosia (Gideon. Hehe) and starts burning up Gideon’s soul as fuel for her necromancy, but interrupts it so she’s stuck at this demigod stage like Demophon.
So yeah, John is Demeter and Wake is Zeus.
Thoughts : Harrowhark Nonagesimus and Gideon Nav from TLT as a Hades and Persephone parallel.
I thought about this at exactly 4:30am and it’s 8am now, which means I haven’t yet figured out if it’s interesting or completely stupid, so bear with me. It’s probably bullshit but who knows.
Harrow as the god of the dead (but not of death) makes sense. Bones and shit. Also she’s the Reverent Daughter of the Ninth, and the Ninth is Pluto, and Pluto is Hades’ Roman equivalent.
Now : the equivalent of Persephone’s kidnapping by Hades is Gideon being forced to serve the Ninth and then being forcefully taken to the First House by Harrow. She makes it very clear she’d like to be anyway but there. (Also during her childhood she keeps daydreaming of her mother and saying her parents will come back to help her. Mh. I can’t see any parallels between Wake and Demeter, but John as Zeus makes sense.)
Then, there’s the fact that Gideon considers herself married to Harrow. Her last words to Harrow were wedding vows. (When she tells Camilla ‘Marry a moron and die. I get the urge.’)
When she is resurrected, she isn’t resurrected fully. Her body is still dead and Harrow ate a part of her soul : she is a new person. (Persephone ate the pomegranate seeds (a metaphor for marriage, the fruit being associated to Hera) and she goes back to the surface but will always be tied to the underworld and has to go back every year.) Her name is changed to reflect that, from Gideon to Kiriona (from Kore to Persephone).
Another thing : when she is resurrected she meets her dad, the guy she kept daydreaming would be very important and get her out of the Ninth. And he is important ! He’s God. He also doesn’t really help her at all since he is the one who only resurrect her partially, letting her body dead. (Zeus is the one who agreed to Persephone going in the underworld and still being tied to it.)
It’s very likely that my brain is just desperate to create more links between my hyperfixation and my special interest but I thought I’d share. I’m aware that Gideon doesn’t seem to ever have a period of innocence/happy childhood, unlike Kore.
#the locked tomb#tlt#tlt meta#tlt series#tlt analysis#greek mythology#kiriona gaia#harrowhark nonagesimus#gideon nav#gideon the ninth#harrow the ninth#nona the ninth#alecto the ninth
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