#heath linton

[alfazoings]

kurokumo ishmael and kurokumo captain heath!!!!

[strangefellows]

[CANTO 6 SPOILERS]

i think what i walked out of canto 6 with (besides heath retaining his spot as my favorite sinner besides yi sang, and So Many Tears Oh My God) was a burning desire to talk about the parallels between cathy linton and heath vs ayin carmen and ben bc the ABC trio have SO MANY PARALLELS with MULTIPLE of the WH trio

like there's ayin -> carmen vs linton -> cathy, but also heath ↔ cathy vs ayin ↔ carmen AND THEN heath -> cathy vs ben -> ayin, and you could also probably look at linton -> cathy vs ben -> ayin tbh

i could GO ON holy shit (especially re: the heath/ben -> cathy/ayin parallel which hit me like a train at the end of the canto oh my god)

[porcubus]

Because the writers do not say it directly and fans cant acknowledge something unless it is spelled out in blood on the windows we will be seeing two violent racists tastelessly woobified and slobbing on eachother and the man they targeted and abused since childhood for months to come #enemiestolovers

[i-have-a-lot-of-ocs]

I just realized we saw Rodya in Don's pre-UT3 but we don't have W Rodya yet.

W Rodya for WARP Train event real?!?!?!

[melonisopod]

A Buddhist reading of Wuthering Heights.

[kikunai]

Limbus Company Canto VI's insane foreshadowing, callbacks and details

(AKA really fucking good and consistent writing)

these are details that only make sense when you play canto 6 for the second time. spoilers alert.

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Mirror world shenanigans:

you can hear Heathcliff?'s pitch dropping slowly before the reveal (6-33/EP35)

T Corp residents carry timepieces as personal identification (6-03/EP4) but they do not have them, not even their chains. (6-18/EP19)

Dead Rabbit boss and Heathcliff have around the same height, which is very unusual as PM has diverse heights for different characters

DR boss calls his gang "Mad Coney" at first (6-10/EP12) [though this may be a nickname]

in the conversation between DR boss and Heathcliff (6-10/EP12), the former has an uncanny deep understanding of his past.

Faust:

<… Sometimes, Faust looks like she's pausing to look at something before speaking.> -- Dante (6-25/EP28)

Faust makes an indifferent noise when 1. Ishmael and Yi Sang observed that broken mirrors were heard when dead rabbit henchmen die (6-18/EP19); and 2. Heathcliff? mentioned he watches Hindley dies every time (6-33/EP35)

Lightning strikes:

"… A momentary musing reveals that a strike of levin brings about a sensation that is not unlike the joy of fireworks. It fills the dark and cold void of the night sky with its incandescent brilliance, even for a brief moment, before fading away into oblivion." "… Right. And in exchange, it loses everything it has, burning and leaving nothing but ash behind. What joy is there to be found?" -- Yi Sang and Heathcliff (6-07/EP8)

Each strike of lightning is a blessing… For it signifies that you have a place in her heart. -- Linton (6-36/EP40) The thunder of every lightning that struck the manor… was the sound of her breaking heart. With every heartbreak, the lightning strikes. The pain, the bereavement, the shock… are all manifest as lightning, then darkness. Thus, the lightning only indicates that the person in question was so important to her… -- Linton (6-37/EP41)

(before the funeral) "I was never once 'rich' in this manor. I wasn't even allowed to be content. Not even for a moment. And this manor. This manor never accepted me, not even for a—" (6-07/EP8)

"No… this isn't at all what I… I…" "Come back, Cathy. Please…" "Hear my voice just this once, Cathy!!!" -- Heathcliff (6-12/EP14)

"You were the first to leave her, yes… but I assure you, it was certainly for the better. Because she would have… left you first if you hadn't. Because she would have grown tired of you!" "Tired… of me…?" --Linton and Heathcliff (6-21/EP24)

Hindley dying (6-32/EP34)

Heathcliff distorting (6-34/EP37)

Linton dying (6-37/EP42)

Nelly defeated (6-46/EP50)

Heathcliff stabbing himself with the golden bough (6-47/EP51)

Heathcliff dismissed Catherine's feelings when conversing with Yi Sang. It was supposed to brighten Heathcliff's heart, to bring him joy, yet he believes it is nothing and leaves nothingness.

Colours:

Heathcliff mentioned he likes the colour black as "the colour you get when you dump an entire set of paint into a bucket [...] And that's exactly why I tolerate it. Keep throwing paint over paint over paint… and you get black" (6-05/EP6)

"Thus, I have journeyed to this world. To devour every one of those hours. So that you may be stained with the same despair that painted me…" -- Heathcliff? (6-34/EP36)

"Endless vortex of colours, mixing into a sludge. A splash of grey paint over the heart that once gleamed violet. A splash of bloody red paint. Splashes of faded colours. Again and again… until there was nothing but blackness. Unseen by all. Unnecessary to anyone. The colour of the pitch-black night -- The colour of the Backstreets." -- Heathcliff (6-46/EP50)

[ Not a single color remained in the silent Wuthering Heights once the tempest passed. All monochromatic, save for patches of color. ] (6-48/EP53)

[ Come back, Heath. To the manor where the last vestiges of its beauty remain in its violet flowers. ] (6-01/EP1)

Colours are a synecdoche of Wuthering Heights, their impact and their affluence. After Hindley, Linton and Catherine's death, all it remains was Heathcliff.

Nelly's lies, partial truths and betrayal:

Nelly wrote the invitation letter, with Catherine's remark. "Besides… all she said is that she'd be waiting. She never said she missed me or 'wanted' to see me." (6-04/EP5)

"Oh, pish posh! Ridiculous! I was a Butler in direct service of Miss Catherine. Young Master Linton could plead and beg all he wants, but I won't always be taking his side." -- Nelly (6-11/EP13). This however doesnt mean she wont be against the sinners ("This manor has never been on your side. Not even once." (6-45/EP45)).

Nelly offhandedly mentioned she removed all the mirrors in the estate (6-18/EP19) [before Linton moved in (6-36/EP40)], presumably to make Catherine curious about the capital M Mirror

she doesnt recall Catherine opening the letters (6-18/EP19) nor blaming Linton for burning them (6-23/EP26) [even he claimed to have burnt them, possibly to spite Heathcliff (6-21/EP23)] since she burnt them before Catherine can even see them

Heathers, or Heaths for short:

Catherine spent a fortune to give heath colours (6-08/EP9), though Heathcliff did not get the meaning at first("You're wrong. There was no particular love for these flowers. There was no room, no warmth in that heart to spare for mere flowers.")

Linton brought Catherine a golden flower. she remarked that it was for his own sake, only as if he truly loves her he would have brought a violet flower instead (6-18/EP19)

"Those flowers bloom in places like desolate moors or steep cliffsides, so they may appear more lonely than anything else in the world. [...] All other flowers lose their colours and fade as they wither away. But this flower… even as it withers and wilts... remains the same colour. So when you're gone, I will dry these flowers and decorate my room with them." "Uh… what, like make rings of them flowers? Don't say something so foolish. Why would I ever leave you?" -- Catherine and Heathcliff (6-46/EP50)

"Those Flowers... are called Heath. The loneliest flowers that take root and bloom in the wild moorlands, but they're also flowers that survive no matter what devastating tempest comes their way. They endure it all and wait" -- Heathcliff (6-48/EP53)

Catherine's self sacrifice:

"Because birds are meant to fly. Not to be killed like that. Yes. Birds do not belong in their cages; they are beings born to soar the skies. So I am going to empty this pillow of their feathers." (6-19/EP21)

"… will every Heathcliff in every world find happiness?" "Yes, he will. So… it's not too late. For the sake of every remaining Heathcliff in every world, please, invite us to your world beyond. So that we may kill you first and move on to the next, to kill the Catherine of a different world. Again, and again…" "Then, only then, can every Heathcliff reach his own heaven." -- Catherine and Every Catherine (6-47/EP51)

"I don't love every Heathcliff in every world." "I love you. As you are now." -- Catherine (6-48/in game cutscene)

[ But Heathcliff was no longer trapped in a living dream. Perhaps that is precisely why he could open the door to see a new, wider world. ] (6-48/EP53)

The rose from Le Petit Prince referenced by Demian (6-48/EP53 post credit)

Vergilius:

"I am no longer concerned that, in my desire to fulfill the conditions for every clause in my contract, the manager might be irreversibly… hurt. I would be left with nothing if such a thing were to happen." -- Vergilius (6-06/EP7)

read Leviathan please.

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"… Where do you suppose he is? Heathcliff." "Miss..." "He doesn't have anything left. I am everything he has…" -- Catherine and Nelly (6-12/EP14) "In a way, we’re all ‘deprived’… and that can change a lot of things. Maybe there are things that we can understand only when we’re left with nothing." -- Hong Lu (6-01/EP1)

[bethanydelleman]

Hi there! I’m just finishing Wuthering Heights and I need to clear my brain before starting Tenant of Wildfell Hall. To that end:

What the hell did I just read?

We all agree that Cathy #1 haunted Heathcliff to death because she was tired of waiting for him/fulfilling her dying injunction that she’d take him with her, correct?

What does the symbolism of Heathcliff’s, Cathy’s, and Edgar’s graves all three isolated and forever together mean? Is Edgar in his heaven, or is he doomed to sit by and watch Heathcliff and Cathy cavort over the moor as ghosts?

As a decades-long Austen reader, may I repeat: what the ever loving hell was that??

I know right! What the hell is that? Absolutely bonkers.

Hm, maybe with the Catherine haunting. I felt like he was being powered by revenge and when it finally achieved it and it wasn't fulfilling, he just deflated like a bouncy castle when someone switches off the air. We know he must have worked like crazy to make all that wealth in 3 years, however he got it, and then he worked like crazy to get possession of both houses and even the people, but to what end? He couldn't decide and then just... died. Maybe he also finally grasped that no matter what, he couldn't get Catherine back, even if he was now a person she could have married. But also haunting.

As for the symbolism of the graves, I think Edgar is fine:

I sought, and soon discovered, the three headstones on the slope next the moor: the middle one grey, and half buried in heath; Edgar Linton’s only harmonized by the turf and moss creeping up its foot; Heathcliff’s still bare.

Heathcliff isn't moving on, so he's bare. Catherine has become one with the heath, Edgar is "harmonized", so he's moved on. That is my feeling at least. Heathcliff is decomposing into Catherine and loving it for some weird reason.

Not Jane Austen that's for sure!

[thevampiricnihal]

Catherines and Bogs and Transitions and Death

“We ran from the top of the Heights to the park, without stopping—Catherine completely beaten in the race, because she was barefoot. You’ll have to seek for her shoes in the bog tomorrow.”

(Chapter 6) (italics mine)

“The place of Catherine’s interment, to the surprise of the villagers, was neither in the chapel under the carved monument of the Lintons, nor yet by the tombs of her own relations, outside. It was dug on a green slope in a corner of the kirk-yard, where the wall is so low that heath and bilberry-plants have climbed over it from the moor; and peat-mould almost buries it.”

(Chapter 16) (italics mine)

“‘Eh, dear! Mrs. Dean!’ she exclaimed. ‘Well! there is a talk about you at Gimmerton. I never thought but you were sunk in the Blackhorse marsh, and missy with you, till master told me you’d been found, and he’d lodged you here! What! and you must have got on an island, sure? And how long were you in the hole? Did master save you, Mrs. Dean? But you’re not so thin—you’ve not been so poorly, have you?’

‘Your master is a true scoundrel!’ I replied. ‘But he shall answer for it. He needn’t have raised that tale: it shall all be laid bare!’

‘What do you mean?’ asked Zillah. ‘It’s not his tale: they tell that in the village—about your being lost in the marsh; and I calls to Earnshaw, when I come in “Eh, they’s queer things, Mr. Hareton, happened since I went off. It’s a sad pity of that likely young lass, and cant Nelly Dean.” He stared. I thought he had not heard aught, so I told him the rumour. The master listened, and he just smiled to himself, and said, “If they have been in the marsh, they are out now, Zillah. Nelly Dean is lodged, at this minute, in your room. You can tell her to flit, when you go up; here is the key. The bog-water got into her head, and she would have run home quite flighty; but I fixed her till she came round to her senses. You can bid her go to the Grange at once, if she be able, and carry a message from me, that her young lady will follow in time to attend the squire’s funeral.”

(Chapter 28) (italics mine) (I will forever wonder whether Heathcliff spread the rumor himself at the village he merely took advantage here of an already existing one).

“He turned abruptly to the fire, and continued, with what, for lack of a better word, I must call a smile: ‘I’ll tell you what I did yesterday! I got the sexton, who was digging Linton’s grave, to remove the earth off her coffin lid, and I opened it. I thought, once, I would have stayed there: when I saw her face again—it is hers yet!—he had hard work to stir me; but he said it would change if the air blew on it, and so I struck one side of the coffin loose, and covered it up: not Linton’s side, damn him! I wish he’d been soldered in lead. And I bribed the sexton to pull it away when I’m laid there, and slide mine out too; I’ll have it made so: and then by the time Linton gets to us he’ll not know which is which!”

(Chapter 29) (italics mine)

From Janet Gezari’s The Annotated Wuthering Heights

“Her father-in-law went up, held the light to Linton’s face, looked at him, and touched him; afterwards he turned to her.

“Now—Catherine,” he said, “how do you feel?”

She was dumb.

“How do you feel, Catherine?” he repeated.

“He’s safe, and I’m free,” she answered: “I should feel well—but,” she continued, with a bitterness she couldn’t conceal, “you have left me so long to struggle against death alone, that I feel and see only death! I feel like death!”

‘And she looked like it, too!”

(Chapter 30) (italics mine)

For both Catherines, bogs seem to signify a transition from one house to the next and the death caused by this transition. Catherine Earnshaw is literally buried in a bog. It is apparent that Catherine Linton’s metaphorical death is a manufactured fake one by the fact that she was never really lost in the bog, it was just a rumor probably spread by Heathcliff.

Just some thoughts I had ahead of reading @vickythestrange ‘s short story about bogs.

[dinosore19]

MAJOR CANTO VI SPOILERS; I JUST NEED TO ASK THIS

Is Erlking gonna be an ID or nah? Cause I thought that since Heath got an id at the very beginning before canto vi started (that oufi id) i thought he couldnt get another id. cause i dont think a single sinner as gotten two ids in one canto drop before right? go ahead and tell me im if it's happened before i just dont remember.

also like, in a narrative sense, isnt Erlking kinda. Gone (?)

Like when Cathy deleted her self and all the other Catherine's, Erlking's reason for existing ceased to be, meaning HE stops existing right? But I think there's another one running around (i think) cause Linton Gregor, Nelly Ryoshu, and Maid Ishmael (prolly the others too) all mention him as something that exists in their world even after Catherine's cessation from existence in their respective upties. idk how he's still around, i thought he wouldn't be an issue after Dante and Co. magic eraser-ed his ass, but apparently his Hater Energy is so powerful he can just still be a Mirror Menace with or without Catherine's death to make him omega depressed enough to have him go on a multidimensional suicide crusade or whatever. i have no clue of that's ACTUALLY the case, im just guessing. and sleepy.

The point is, its been over a month and im starting to doubt ever getting an Erlking Id and i'll have to settle with his cameo as a Shadow in Nelly Ryoshu's third uptie art and his cameo as shadow copies in Linton Gregor's third uptie art. Which FUNNILY ENOUGH, are units i do not have.

That's all. Maybe I misconstrued some things and am (hopefully) super wrong, idk. I just wanted to get this off my chest because i am In Love with that asshole and Want Him, but if Project Moon says No, then I will Weep Forever.

[laufire]

‘If I were in heaven, Nelly, I should be extremely miserable.’ ‘Because you are not fit to go there,’ I answered. ‘All sinners would be miserable in heaven.’ ‘But it is not for that. I dreamt once that I was there.’ ‘I tell you I won’t hearken to your dreams, Miss Catherine! I’ll go to bed,’ I interrupted again. She laughed, and held me down; for I made a motion to leave my chair. ‘This is nothing,’ cried she: ‘I was only going to say that heaven did not seem to be my home; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out into the middle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights; where I woke sobbing for joy. That will do to explain my secret, as well as the other. I’ve no more business to marry Edgar Linton than I have to be in heaven; and if the wicked man in there had not brought Heathcliff so low, I shouldn’t have thought of it. It would degrade me to marry Heathcliff now; so he shall never know how I love him: and that, not because he’s handsome, Nelly, but because he’s more myself than I am. Whatever our souls are made of, his and mine are the same; and Linton’s is as different as a moonbeam from lightning, or frost from fire.’

–"Wuthering Heights" by Emily Brontë, IX.

[sparklyaxolotlstudent]

The Bat Cafe. Or Paw Cafe. Or Something. A pet friendly cafe in the Monster High World.

Barkimedes went with his Pterodactyl pet so he would play with his friends while he finished homework.

I mixed some G1 pets that I think mix well with the G3 dolls... Or that I don't have the G3 version yet ( Sir Hoots-a-lot, Hissette, Chewlian, Azura and Neptuna) and a G2 turtle I also have. The Cave Club pets also fit really well with G3 pets, wonder if they have the same designer sculptor (the pterodactyl and the purple sabertooth tiger), the Brittany(Defa Lucy) Chicken, some random butterflies a cricket, Heath's salamander, Hoodude's teddy bear and the customized pets, Batrick(blue count fabulou), Linton ( grey Dustin) and Betto (teal Neptuna)

I decided to keep it somewhat neutral in case I wanted it for something different, so the only thing glued is the desk and the platforms.

[texasthoughtsaboutnothing]

Heathcliff/ Canto VI Stuff from the Event!

We got a setup for Canto VI much in the way I think we expected. IIRC in the source material, Heathcliff just kinda shows up out of nowhere, but here he's been explicitly invited to Wuthering Heights. The changes the nature of the story a bit and frames Heathcliff in a fundamentally more sympathetic light, we'll see where we go with it especially with Isabelle and the generational revenge part of the story. We do now know Cathy is alive (or at least Heath thinks she is), and we are for sure going to T Corp. We can assume the Lintons can afford colors in T Corp's Nest, I wonder if they'll play with that and only buy specific colors.

Further speculation considering the nature of T Corp, I wonder if they might incorporate a time loop to more accurately recreate the events of the book? Like, Heathcliff can't marry Isabelle nor can Edgar meaningfully isolate Cathy from Heathcliff without getting into months of time, and using fucked up time technology can get around that. I expect the Lintons and/or the Earnshaws to be major families invested in T Corp, maybe similar to Sinclair's family they'll have the L Corp branch right in their basement.

This Canto will also get into territory that I feel will be a predictor for later Cantos. There's a lot of children in Wuthering Heights who unlike Pip are the children of main characters. How is that going to be handled? They might incorporate the time technology but part of Heathcliff's redemption (kinda sorta not really) is leaving the kids alone after all else goes wrong. Cathy dies in giving birth to her daughter, also named Cathy (this will not be confusing I'm sure) and Heath spiritually dies with her, and we need that guy to stick around to do dailies. He will need to have a reason to continue with the company, and I think it would be weird if he abandons some kids (or worse they get killed off) so he can continue with us. I have faith it will be handled well though, and I'm probably overthinking it.

[katyasophie]

"One time, however, we were near quarrelling.

He said the pleasantest manner of spending a hot July day was lying from morning till evening on a bank of heath in the middle of the moors, with the bees humming dreamily about among the bloom, and the larks singing high up overhead, and the blue sky and bright sun shining steadily and cloudlessly. That was his most perfect idea of heaven’s happiness.

Mine was rocking in a rustling green tree, with a west wind blowing, and bright white clouds flitting rapidly above; and not only larks, but throstles, and blackbirds, and linnets, and cuckoos pouring out music on every side, and the moors seen at a distance, broken into cool dusky dells; but close by great swells of long grass undulating in waves to the breeze; and woods and sounding water, and the whole world awake and wild with joy.

He wanted all to lie in an ecstasy of peace; I wanted all to sparkle and dance in a glorious jubilee.

I said his heaven would be only half alive; and he said mine would be drunk.

I said I should fall asleep in his; and he said he could not breathe in mine, and began to grow very snappish.

At last, we agreed to try both, as soon as the right weather came; and then we kissed each other and were friends."

-- catherine linton (wuthering heights, 1847)

[negativezero2]

HOLY SHIT CHAPTER 6.2

HOLY SHIT CHAPTER 6.2 SPOILERS SPOILERS HOLY SHIT

OK SO FIRST, THAT EXPERIMENT. That Linton wasn't lying, that basement can be horrifying! I'm not sure if it was outright confirmed, but my thought is that they were turning people into Pecca's intentionally.

Also Hindley FUCKING DISTORTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CHAPTER. WHAT. I think it's genuinely fascinating too, distortions are "ordained by fate", like how the invitations get to people "by fate". Seems like Carmen has a hell of a lot more power than first thought. Hindley too like, wow... he's such a petty bastard but at the end, it turning out their dad literally liked Heath more than him, and his inferiority complex. Goddamn.

Fellas, is it gay to go to another reality so you can beat the other you to death? Happy to hear the real Matt was probably not much of an asshole, cuz I liked the guy. But Heath?, damn he's one hell've a guy.

I remember hearing the theory that inside Heath's body bag was Cathy, and it seems like that might be part of the symbolism. Heath "killed" Cathy due to their interwoven fates.... and that ending. The moment I saw Carmens eyes was the moment I got extremely anxious

As for theories? Next post

[stromuprisahat]

‘If I were in heaven, Nelly, I should be extremely miserable.’ ‘Because you are not fit to go there,’ I answered. ‘All sinners would be miserable in heaven.’ ‘But it is not for that. I dreamt once that I was there.’ ‘I tell you I won’t hearken to your dreams, Miss Catherine! I’ll go to bed,’ I interrupted again. She laughed, and held me down; for I made a motion to leave my chair. ‘This is nothing,’ cried she: ‘I was only going to say that heaven did not seem to be my home; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out into the middle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights; where I woke sobbing for joy. That will do to explain my secret, as well as the other. I’ve no more business to marry Edgar Linton than I have to be in heaven; and if the wicked man in there had not brought Heathcliff so low, I shouldn’t have thought of it. It would degrade me to marry Heathcliff now; so he shall never know how I love him: and that, not because he’s handsome, Nelly, but because he’s more myself than I am. Whatever our souls are made of, his and mine are the same; and Linton’s is as different as a moonbeam from lightning, or frost from fire.’

Catherine Earnshaw × Ellen ‘Nelly’ Dean; Wuthering Heights- Chapter 9 (Emily Brontë)

[kellyvela]

I know that Petyr Baelish comes close to Heathcliff. It's just that Cersei and Jaime are much closer to Cathy and Heathclif in terms of toxic romance. Catelyn never loved Petyr like Cathy nor Petyr ever mourn her death like Heathcliff. I think Cersei and Jaime will never going to love anyone besides them.

Absolutely. You just need to read these quotes to know how similar those pairings are:

'This is nothing,' cried she: 'I was only going to say that heaven did not seem to be my home; and I broke my heart with weeping to come back to earth; and the angels were so angry that they flung me out into the middle of the heath on the top of Wuthering Heights; where I woke sobbing for joy. That will do to explain my secret, as well as the other. I've no more business to marry Edgar Linton than I have to be in heaven; and if the wicked man in there had not brought Heathcliff so low, I shouldn't have thought of it. It would degrade me to marry Heathcliff now; so he shall never know how I love him: and that, not because he's handsome, Nelly, but because he's more myself than I am. Whatever our souls are made of, his and mine are the same; and Linton's is as different as a moonbeam from lightning, or frost from fire.'

—Wuthering Heights - Emily Brontë

"Your brother?" Ned said. "Or your lover?"

"Both." She did not flinch from the truth. "Since we were children together. And why not? The Targaryens wed brother to sister for three hundred years, to keep the bloodlines pure. And Jaime and I are more than brother and sister. We are one person in two bodies. We shared a womb together. He came into this world holding my foot, our old maester said. When he is in me, I feel … whole." The ghost of a smile flitted over her lips. —A Game of Thrones - Eddard XII

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