#he's just a perfect vision of Miquella of him

[zephyrins]

i think people would LOVE to fight Radahn in the dlc if it was real Radahn, not Miquella's silent puppet.

Maybe Radahn could be an optional boss (like Malenia) or at least not the final boss. He could somehow break free from Miquella's influence (we can see it in the cutscene, it looks like before phase two he wants to break his charm, but Miquella arrives and stops him) and recognize us as the champion of the festival, asking for one last battle to release him from Miquella's plan and explaining how he gave the vow and why he broke it

[mistleaneous-chaos]

How Shadow Of The Erdtree Portrays Hate, and The Tragedy of trying to Escape

Elden Ring Spoilers(Hey! Been a while since i did this)

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I’ve gotten further into the DLC and this might just be one of the best stories of how Hatred is just a cycle that repeats which consumes innocent people in its wake.

This DLC has done so much to make us understand why Marika did the things she did. She lived in a peaceful village, only for people she loved and cared about to be taken and put into jars. And why is that? Because their bodies meld well with others, something she can’t control since she was just born with it.

And so she becomes the new God of the Lands Between, imposing her new order onto others, and having her own son be the one to lead it. But when the fire fades and the ash settles, the one who suffers of the two of them is Messmer. She leaves him in the Shadow Realm because he doesn’t fit in her new order, representing so much of what is considered “Sinful”. And he is left alone, because of something he can’t control since he was born with it.

And then, as years pass and she makes a family again, she has twins! She can finally begin to rebuild, to move on from the hatred she felt!… except, she can’t. Because of the fact that her children have horns, just as her oppressors did. And so do multiple families in the Lands Between, with this seemingly “cursed” blood spreading, she has a choice to make.

Let go of the hate, try to accept her sons and the Omens.

Or hold onto it, persecute them, cut off their horns, and drop them into the sewers, out of sight out of mind.

We know what she picked.

And it’s this hatred that sparka another ambition just like hers. Mohg.

Imagine you’re Mohg. You have no family save for your brother. You live in the sewers while only ever being able to watch the outside world with happy familes and children with parents who love them. But all the while, what do you have? Nothing. All because of something you can’t control because you were born with it.

And so you decide to build your own order. Away from it all. Your brother wants no part, he clings to the hope of being accepted by that damn tree. But it’s fine.

You take some of the other Omens with you, and get to work. You even have help from an Outer God, so higher powers must want you to succeed! Others shave their horns but not you, no you proudly grow them out, even if it impedes your vision, because they are a part of you.

You take in all kinds, Humans, Omens, even Albinaurics, who had no home before. You give your fellow Omens real clothes, regal clothes. They’ve never had clothes after all, so don’t they deserve the best? You build and you build and eventually you have a beautiful part of the Underground to yourselves, you did it, you’ve won!

Mohg could have broken from the cycle, stayed in Mohgwyn, as he did even when chaos reigned above. People were strong under him, and had a home even if they were shunned in other places.

But that choice was taken from him.

Miquella used him to accomplish his own goal of godhood, robbing him of his own agency. Just like his brothers, Mohg was used by his family, but unlike the others, he wasn’t even aware of it. No matter how far he ran, no matter how much he tried to cut himself off from it. The hatred of his mother reached him, in the form of someone else using him to break away from the consequences of it.

Now I’m not saying Mohg was perfect. His group was no less sadistic than some of the others in the lands between.

But he was robbed of a dream, and told it was never his to have.

[mytypeismohg]

Miquella stuff is happening again! As I posted before, Miquella is not a "Mwahahaha I will kill you all!" type of character. He is hurt and deluded, believing he is the only one with the "correct" vision of how things should be.

"Kindly Miquella... I see you've thrown away... Something you should not have. Under any circumstances. How will you salvation offer...to those who cannot be saved? When you could not even save your other self?"

From the Light of Miquella incantation:

"The strength of Miquella upon his deific return, wielded as an incantation.Annihilates foes with a pillar of light.Miquella sought to accept all that was and would be, but found one that refused to be embraced.No wonder, as one god, and one king consort, is all the world needs."

That is his answer. To those who "cannot be saved", those who refuse to bow to his will and align themselves with his beliefs. To annihilate them from existence. He believes one more bout of violence, from himself, will end the cycle of violence. He wants to live in a perfect, unrealistic world that can never be. He most likely will turn his back on the others who were freed after he shattered his Great Rune, in fact he will. Leda is the only one willing to be subservient to him out of her free will. If you cannot be charmed, you will not bow, he has no use for you. And no, I am not saying he is some sadistic maniac or anything, but he is NOT pure or truly kind. Honestly, how could he be? He tries to be, but none of the demigods are, not even the main Tarnished themself is. Miquella doesn't WANT to cause harm, but he does. He doesn't want to abuse or leave behind others, but he does. Because he doesn't know what else to do and he is desperate for change, and sees himself as the only person worthy of leading that change. As I said in another post, he is the same as a "necessary evil" person that is so tired of the crap that happens in reality they believe they should force change (or just believe it doesn't exist in some cases), but eventually just becomes a perpetrator of harm themselves. Miquella genuinely doesn't think his actions are wrong. He believes his charm is a blessing.

As for Mohg, he is suffering the same. He is so desperate for change that he becomes a blood thirsty (almost literally) maniac, albeit charming in his own way. His methods are far more noticeably brutal and violent, so there is little room to justify his actions, but it is the result of the same thing. He is hurt and simply wants to alter the way reality is, and he believes the world under the control of the Formless Mother is far better than what it is. Keep in mind that, unless Miquella for some reason exclusively removed all of Mohg's personality exclusively, under the charm targets still have many of their organic personality traits. The entire thing about "love", most likely is a core part of Mohg’s true self. Mohg wants love too, but he cannot experience it in the world he lives in. Neither could Miquella, not without "compelling" that love towards himself forcefully. Everyone is suffering. Neither Mohg nor Miquella are "good". Both of them are in pain, and they want that pain to stop. That's the worst curse that all the demigods suffered, being unloved (or scarcely loved) and living in an unloving world.

Slightly irrelevant but, there was quite a lot of cut DLC content involving Miquella, possibly including another ending! 😭

[roachymochi]

What if the blind swordsman was a semi-human ?

They have a swordfighting tradition based around constant movement, dodges and counterattack, and a flurry of blades. They studied the path of the procession of stars, and their sword is made of glintsone.

We know one day they left to see what was at the end of the procession. Most of them gave up on the way, unable to handle the truth they discovered. Onze saw what was at the end and jailed himself out of fear.

But another swordmaster went further, guided by the bluest of stars in the procession (his "fairy", as the legends were later told). he went to the end and rejected fear to fully embrace what he saw there. And there, just like the lamenters, and just like the victims of the frenzied flame, he saw heaven through the horror and despair, losing his sight in the process. The blind swordsman couldn't go back after such a revelation. But he understood that jail wasn't the right choice. Just like the procession of star was ever flowing, he went on a lonely endless pilgrimage. During it he refined his philosophy and studying the flow of water he perfected his fighting style. He became so good at it that he was able to kill the god of rot itself.

Decades later, as he was becoming old, he met rot once again, in the form of a young girl. She was blind just like him, so she never realized he was of a kind she was taught to despise by the cruel golden order. The girl treated him like a human, and so he decided to help her by teaching her his way. The constant training inspired Malenia's brother. Seeing an empyrean princess equal to a dehumanized man, and learning with him things the Golden Order couldn't even conceptualize, change Miquella's vision of the world. When he realized the training from this man was able to cure his sister's illness, where the golden order gave up, he made up his mind.

The Golden order was imperfect, and he needed to make a new order where all the marginalized could gather, and share their knowledge. Maybe this way he could create a a gold clean of the imperfection of the golden order, unalloyed with impure ideas of discrimination.