#grammygate

[daisyswift3]

This tweet currently has over 5000 likes. They’re finally seeing the light

[s0-pitted]

the only gaylor thing i will say regarding this breakup announcement is that I believe the grammy was given as part of a negotiation for joe to extend a relationship contract and ITS INTERESTING that it happened in April exactly 2 years ago

[bloom-wood]

Weird weird weird….

[whatiwillsay]

Have we discussed the article released noting that Joe Alwyn is essentially set for life financially from his writing contributions on 3 of Taylor’s albums? I think his team is gently fighting back

he isn't though. it is a clickbait headline but it says he's only earning 5 figures from the music per year. so that's 10k to 99k. now yeah someone could live off 99k although you have to imagine he's developed pretty expensive taste after six years with miss private jet. and an extra 10-20 grand a year is ofc great but it isn't gonna set him up for life.

[babybabymerrychristmas]

The only instance I can see taylor lying and giving a man credit for something he didn't earn, and especially for a fucking GRAMMY, is one where she is dickmatized.

Sorry, kaylors who think grammygate is a logical argument to have against Joe, it actually makes ur case weaker one way or another.

Either they're really dating and she lied for a man she loves or they're really dating and she told the truth and he deserves those credits.

You think taylor swift in 2017 would have signed another beard contract that would require a man to have legal credit for a song he didn't deserve?

Are you guys stupid? Serious question.

[daisyswift3]

Bejeweled is 10000% abt grammygate and you can’t convince me otherwise

She’s straight up admitting she gifted him the grammy and gave him credit he didn’t deserve. And now she gets to perform this song every night of tour lmaooo

Like you were a trophy or a champion ring

And there was one prize I'd cheat to win

[asteracaea]

boy am i glad the name "joe alwyn" does not appear anywhere on my folklore or evermore albums

[totallylost4you]

Who's William Bowery anyway? Ew.

In Berlin Jack read the sign at the concert and laughed at it. When he signed the sign, he again did not reveal who WB is.

I am also still not over Grammygate! 🙃😂

Did you know that Joe won a PRODUCER Grammy?

It was impossible to win a Grammy as WB because he / she only WROTE 2 songs on the album. (Until 2022 you had to be involved in 33% of the album time to win a Grammy.) They added Joe to exactly the minimum amount of songs as PRODUCER. Of course they couldn't change the printed booklets without him, BUT they added him as a PRODUCER on all online platforms back then.

Who's William Bowery anyway? 🤷

[spade-riddles]

taylor's strategy is so puzzling because even IF the relationships with toe, ratty and tractor were real, why on earth would she want those men to take the spotlight off her? grammygate, the whole ratty trying to be cute on eras, tractor literally going up on stage... doesn't make any sense, real or not, for the most famous woman in the world to make herself smaller to prop up these men. hope she decides to be done with the circus soon because it's hard to watch as a fan of hers

[9w1ft]

at the end of the day most people in the community just want to either (1) be in lock step with taylor or (2) have not been wildly wrong about things /

absolutely this! i've low-key thought for a long time that honestly, the most likely path for taylor to take if SHE wanted to ever come out, would be in some way where she can argue her hand was forced, or all the speculation pushed her to say something when she wanted to keep her sexuality private. that way the vast majority of fans can still feel like they were doing the right thing by not "speculating", it would maintain the public narrative of her relationships, and it won't feel like a 'gaylors were right all along' moment. swifties have been willing to change their minds absolutely drastically on, say, joe alwyn, to the point of re-inventing grammygate. i think they could absolutely do the same on this if taylor chose to play things that way.

anon was actually talking about karlie’s reputation but the same logic definitely applies to what you’re saying too!

[iwanthermidnightz]

High-key hope that Jack and Aaron unfollow him, I'm still mad about Grammygate

Aaron doesn’t seem like one for drama but Jack will make a bit out of it 😭

[daisyswift3]

Umm so Aaron just said he and Taylor wrote and recorded High Infidelity at the 2021 grammys when folklore won aoty….I was already pretty certain that High Infidelity was abt grammygate and the WB debacle and was sort of an apology to gaylors but now I’m like 1000% certain. Especially w Bejeweled and Anti Hero being on the same album, it makes sooo much sense

The chorus perfectly describes the climate of the fandom when all this was going down. Gaylors weren’t having it, we were extremely upset abt Taylor damaging the integrity of her art by lying abt the credits but at the time she thought it was the right thing to do. This song never felt romantic to me but more like a metaphor for betraying the trust of someone you love

“Put on your records…put on your headphones” seems like sth you’d say to fans who buy and stream your music rather than to a significant other

“Lock broken” -> a broken promise and broken trust

“Do I really have to chart the constellations in his eyes?” -> I don’t want to keep this facade going or bend the truth anymore

“good money” // “I took the money, my friends from home don’t know what to say”

[chickawah23]

Lol to be able to negotiate a deal with Taylor and her team to get paid big money to act entertained at her concert in the VIP tent would mean he'd have to be capable of acting like he's genuinely entertained in the first place, so that's never gonna happen in a million years 😆

I think it's more likely he'd be able to broker a deal where he gets money whenever Tree pushes an article claiming he was at such-and-such show and watched from backstage and there's no pictures of it because he's oh-so-private you know, since he's shown us all that he's super into getting rewarded by Taylor for literally doing nothing except sitting on his ass in London pretending she doesn't exist with Grammygate 😏

Cue Taylor looking off stage or backstage a couple of times at a show and videos screaming “omg Taylor was looking off stage at Joe while singing invisible string!!” New proof to add to the true love compilation videos !

[sparkliingdust]

I Love Taylor Swift....

But I feel like we can be fans of her without believing she is the epitome of perfection and pushing that mentality on other people. She is talented. She is hardworking. She is influential. But the stans have to learn to lay off. The behavior this summer is straight-up annoying, and honestly, we need to learn to acknowledge the mistakes she's made too.

Going to the Eras Tour Movie is not about us having or reliving the concert experience. We can't go in inconveniencing movie theatre employees and other theatres around us with noise complaints. It's great she made a movie. Let's dress up and given out friendship bracelets. But let's not cause a scene because we want to poorly scream shout songs. This reminds me of when newer or other artists release music around when she has a release, and they end up getting buried on social media or streaming. Like other people can prosper on the charts too. Like we don't have to keep proving to her how much we love her. She should know by now.

Taylor's dancers, back-up singers, and fans going to see Beyonce did not betray Taylor and deserve to be fired or aren't real fans. Stop trying to cancel everyone who varies outside of Taylor's circle. We can support more than one artist.

As a fandom we are more than aware that Taylor's had to repeatedly show her songwriting abilities so she isn't discredited. Why can't we show Olivia Rodrigo the same courtesy and understanding? Her whole career shouldn't be taken down because her team admitted that two songs were 'inspired' by Taylor (whether Deja Vu actually sounds like Cruel Summer is open to your ears interpretation). The appropriate credit was given as well as 50% royalties (which is just insane). That doesn't mean root through every album Olivia makes and try to tie to other songs. It's disappointing that Jack had to get out and explain what was going on, and Taylor hasn't said a peep yet.

Taylor has a weak history working with women in music. She's worked very little with female producers as consistently as Aaron and Jack, and female artists have been used as back-up vocals more compared to male artists who are featured on the actual track. And she has publicly supported younger rising artists very prominently during a promo tour of sorts and then goes completely silent - Olivia Rodrigo, IceSpice during the whole ratty situation, Hayley Kiyoko for reputation/allyship promo tour, etc. She is a force of nature in the music industry, but I do think she could publicly clean up her image supporting female artists and not when it's to her own benefit.

Miss Americana did not age well at all. Instead of letting reputation exist without an explanation, she was a part of an entire documentary of how she was cancelled (and wrongfully so), but then turned it into her becoming an activist that went nowhere. Sitting on your couch with your publicist in a huge mansion toasting the resistance with champagne over a social media post, and then never following up on it, is completely peak white feminism. Some celebs are not cut out for adding activism into the career. Okay. But she should've done the work before stepping into the arena using the LGBTQ+ community in a music video to prove that she's always been an ally because Todrick didn't know how she'd react to having a gay kid is not it.

GrammyGate. Joe was listed as William Bowery for two songs on Folklore. After it won Album of the Year, he was changed to a producer to six songs and that qualified him to win a Grammy. She did reveal that he was William in the long pond sessions but the proper paperwork wasn't submitted/finalized until eight months after the album came out - where he could've been properly credited as a collaborator. And now with the Eras Tour and Joe/Taylor has broken up, she switches back and forth to say she wrote Betty on her own, and everything came out of her imagination. Why all of the shenanigans for a bright shiny award??

I know all of this makes it sound like I hate Taylor, but I don't. I'm practically known as the resident Swiftie everywhere I hang out/work because I'm always bringing her up in one way or another. But she's not perfect, and I'm super freaking tired of being in a fandom that refuses to not acknowledge anything slightly questionable that's she done. We're canceling her or dragging her down - it just means we're able to see she's not infallible and love her despite of her mistakes.

[whatiwillsay]

what are your thoughts abou the grammy gate, bc of all the things taylor did this one is the one who always keep me up at night

check my tag and the pod episode we did on it i’ve addressed it dozens and dozens of times

[babybabymerrychristmas]

if you think Joe really is the real deal, how do you explain Grammygate, there’s really no way to paint her in a positive light if she did that just to get her bf an undeserved Grammy

I have explained several times how utterly stupid you have to be as a fan of taylor swift to believe she would give a man credit to her success he did not deserve.

You are a moron if you think taylor swift would lie to give a man she is fucking credit for her success when the whole reason she was canceled in 2016 was because she refused to let kayne say she approved "I made that bitch famous."

How do I explain what exactly? That she put her boyfriend on producer credits?

I explain it simply: he deserved those credits.

Edit: furthermore, what would be the purpose of her lying for a man she isn't fucking? Like even if I grant your ridiculous assumption that Joe doesn't deserve to be on folklore, that would make ur argument that he's a beard weaker. You think she would lie for a man she doesn't even like? Are u stupid?