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yup here comes the yapping. considering my blog also includes both landoscar content and what one may consider anti lando content, especially during singapore gp, i feel that maybe this will double as a sort of clarification on where i stand with lando for those who came across my blog and might have seen this as mixed signal.
tl;dr: no i don't hate him. i don't even hate mclaren. i still can relate to lando and honestly, by hating him i'd be too massive of a hypocrite. there will still be landoscar and lando content on my blog. stuffs i reblogged, i didn't see them as anti because to me they were just fun jabs or for reference or what i think is valid criticism/concerns, but i'll try to tag more mindfully just in case you found me from my landoscar posts and reblogs and these posts upset you. we are just here for fun mostly after all, and i want to be mindful of how much hate lando has been getting lately, and how what i view is a fun jab might not be fun for you if you are a lando/mclaren fan, especially at the moment.
so the clip i saw on here that alerted me to what happened was from @/ef-1 (not tagging them properly because this is just a random rant but if they find my post and wishes to be tagged properly, i will gladly do so). i did track the stream down and watched the entire moment play out along with everything surrounding it just to make sure i didn’t miss anything. full disclaimer tho, that i did not watch the entirety of the nearly 5 hours long stream, but i did skip around and i didn’t encounter any more words regarding this.
unfortunately, after watching, it actually made lando look worse to me personally, and it pains me a lot because i actually like lando, but health and safety is kinda a line for me (i image it is for many too). for some context, if i say i’m a fan, or that i actively ship two people together, it is automatically a given that i like both parties to certain extent. there is, of course, bias and hierarchy taking place. fact is i do adore max slightly more than charles, both of them more than oscar, and oscar more than lando, but ultimately, i do in fact, adore them all. i watch f1 for fun (insert laugh track here), and i would just personally prefer that i don’t end up hating or disliking anybody for my own sake. i could and would dislike their actions if i think it’s a dick move, but i don’t want to dislike them, the person. there’s a big distinction there for me personally.
now, i don’t think what lando said in the stream has turned me into a hater, but it certainly is bumping my view of him a little lower. the fact he saw news about the health and safety of his fellow drivers, but instead of feeling concerned, he reacted in such way, even after his friend gently reminded him that he didn't have full context, is kinda a red flag to me. i would like to think that lando, with or without knowing about the merc drivers’ state after the race, would understand that george (apparently is supposed to be his friend?), lewis, and mercedes, like them or not, have more professionalism than a bunch of school children trying to get out of class. that maybe, if it’s warranted an update, then it was justifiably fucking bad, and that people saw enough evidence to be worried about the state of the drivers, hence needing official words from the team to put their minds at ease.
but, i can’t exactly sit here and lie to myself that i am "the best person” material. his insecurity and the defensive shield he seems to constantly hold is something i certainly can relate. this here might be pure projecting, but i think he wants to be good, however, because he still has plenty to work on, it’s a constant tug of war inside himself, hence the fragmented way his image is. anyway, i was there once. it’s not a fun place to be in, so i hope he finds his way out. and while i personally believe that there is no time limit for when a person can turn themselves around, i’d say the sooner the better it will be for him, simply because he is a public figure. i just don’t want him to get any more hate (which, tough luck, public figure), he’s no doubt receiving enough already, because it won’t help with anything (also doesn’t mean i’m saying he should be coddled either). i just feel there is a risk of pushing him toward lumping both hate and valid criticism together and disregarding them both in an attempt to protect himself, but where is the turning point, only those he is close with will know and can help him in time, i’m just some dumbass online. i think he’s a little more fragile mentally than most if not all on the grid (there is probably a percentage of me self projecting here but i feel it’s a valid belief), so the quicker the people around him realize that and get him the help he needs, the better. the quicker he can get himself in check, the more it’ll benefit both him and his image, especially with the shit that has been going down this season.
#gonna go back and try to add anti tags an stuffs i feel might need one later#i'm out of energy#i'm not sure how to tag this#do i tag it as anti?#i don't see it as anti because i'm not coming from a place of hate#but i can assume it's not exactly a great post to read about your fav driver for some#anti lando norris#i will add link to this onto my pinned post#just so lando/landoscar fan who come across my blog and see something they like but also the weird mixed signal understand where i stand#and can make better judgement on whether they wanna stick around#*ensiyap
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So there’s this “101 Reasons to Ship Snowbarry” video that keeps coming up on my YouTube suggestions. Idgaf about Snowbarry, and I’ve already hit the “not interested” button on similar videos before, but since I can’t seem to get away from video suggestions like this, I’m just gonna watch it and liveblog it, and bet that for every entry on the list, I can come up with a corresponding rebuttal for why Barrisco would make an even better couple. (I’m not gonna comment this ON the video ofc, this is just for my own amusement.)
Click the link above if you want to see the stuff I’ll be responding to, but be forewarned, that video is like, way long, so naturally it follows that this post is gonna be, too.
Additional note: If you are a Snowbarry shipper who has stumbled across this post somehow, now would be the time to stop reading, and also to add the “anti Snowbarry” tag to your filters if you wish to avoid running into posts like this in the future, ‘cause I ain’t interested in engaging in shipping wars.
Anyways, let’s go:
1. "How they met." Cisco woke Barry out of a coma by playing/singing a song about bisexuality, 'nuff said. (Also, part of the purpose of that scene was to introduce Caitlin as the serious, “down to business” one, and Cisco as the warmer, more easygoing one who’s trying to make Barry feel more comfortable.)
2. "They're both scientists." What is Cisco, an Instagram influencer?
3. If Caitlin being Barry’s personal doctor gets her romantic points, then the same should go for Cisco being his personal tailor. Actually, he should get more points, because there’s no moratorium on romantic relationships between tailors and their clients.
4. The way Barry and Cisco gaze into each other's eyes for non-medical purposes. This is too easy.
5. Uh. Cisco being the voice in Barry's ear while he's running, and often the first person he calls out to for help solving a problem.
6. They frequently take hold of each other's hands and shoulders.
7. Cisco comforts Barry while Caitlin tends to his wounds.
8 through 12 is literally just stuff about Caitlin being a doctor, and I don't find this stuff relevant enough to rebut because there's nothing inherently romantic about any of it.
13. "They both have fun together." Yes, Cisco also, the fun having, it happens, lots. Even more, actually.
14. Not really sure what to say for this one. Barry and Cisco noticing when each other is sad and then checking on each other (at Cecile’s baby shower and Barry’s bachelor party, respectively, and also on other occasions), comes to mind. That doesn’t have to do with noticing each other’s lips, per se, but I’ve never thought of either of these SB scenes as moments where Barry was staring at Caitlin’s lips, just as moments where he’s noticing her expression/overall mood, which is something he does with Cisco (and vice versa), too.
15. They all have nerdy hobbies, dude, they're nerds.
16. This one for SB is "she makes Barry drunk on purpose", which, y'know, she did because he wanted to be able to get buzzed, which Cisco has succeeded in helping him do, too (and the drink he made was more effective and longer lasting), but the way this is phrased is kind of suggestive, like Caitlin was doing it to lower his inhibitions (which she totally wasn’t), and uuuuhhhh, don't romanticize that maybe???
17. Cisco put all that tech into Barry's suit, including delivery menus from his favorite restaurants + wrote him an instruction manual, and sped up all his favorite shows so he could catch up on what he missed while he was in the speed force.
18. Barry makes Cisco's (and everyone's) hair fly everywhere when he speeds out of a room, too. Like, this is just basic physics, fam, wyd?
19. Barry also uses his powers to help Cisco. And...literally everyone who needs his help, this is basic superhero stuff, wyd?
20. He is impressed with Cisco, frequently.
21. Just having nicknames? He calls him "bud", "dude", etc., and one time he called him "Cis". (Bonus: Iris and Cisco have called Caitlin "Cait", too, so it’s not just a Ronnie and Barry thing.)
22. Cisco can make anything to help Barry. They're literally top-notch genius scientists, I don't even
23. Obviously they think each other makes great company, they're best friends. All of them.
24. They comfort each other. Again, best friends + Team Flash pep talks are a major staple of the show.
25. He needs Cisco, too.
26. They...they care about...my god, it's like you people have never heard of FRIENDS.
27. Honestly, how many times have we heard Barry tell Cisco he believes in him, or heard Cisco gush about what a great hero Barry is?
28. Helping each other conquer their fears. Yep, that's another one that applies to like, everyone on this show.
29. "They both have experienced loss" IT'S A SUPERHERO SHOW! Also, that's just life. Name one main character on this show who hasn't experienced loss. Nash and Wally have both experienced loss, and I have yet to see anyone ship them.
30. "They both can sing really well." Okay now. This one is true for Barry and Cisco, but uh...Caitlin is literally tone deaf. I'm not being mean, Danielle Panabaker knows good and well that she can't sing, and she has talked about Carlos side-eyeing her when she gets going because she's not good at it. THAT'S OKAY! There's nothing wrong with not being able to sing, but--WHY would you claim that she's good at something that she clearly is not? She wasn't on pitch for a single line of Summer Nights, and she straight up changes keys mid-line in the mockingbird song in that other clip, and just...what even is this entry?!
31. Watching over each other, yeah, another basic staple of being friends and superheroes.
32. "He is always standing behind Caitlin" AND LOOK WHO'S STANDING BESIDE HIM!
33. Remember that time fake Jay "died" and Cisco stayed with Caitlin until she fell asleep? Remember when Dante died and Caitlin slept on Cisco's couch to keep him company? Remember all those times Barry or Cisco were rendered unconscious, and the other stayed by their bedside until they woke up?
34. Basically just a continuation of 33. See above.
35. "Maybe 'okay' will be our 'always'." Hmm, what WOULD Barry and Cisco's "always/okay" be? Probably just calling out each other's names tbh, they do that a lot. Or perhaps, "For real?"
36. Is2g. Being only one call or text away is, again, a staple of the show, considering everyone in it is a close-knit found family and knows there's a very good chance that that call or text might be saying, "I'm in mortal danger, please come save my life at once."
37. Funny, I already pointed out once before (in a different post) the fun parallel of how Caitlin will sometimes go running to whoever her love interest is at the moment, or she'll call out his name, while Cisco is at the same moment running to Barry/calling out for Barry.
Side note: did they really think including Barry's proposal song to Iris would give more weight to their why-to-ship-Snowbarry argument?
38. I mean...Barry kind of carries everyone everywhere. You don't really get to see it, but how the heck else do you explain all the times he whooshes people in and out of places? He can't just drag them, otherwise the soles of their shoes would either wear down fast or catch on fire.
39. Okay, no shade to Barry and Caitlin's friendship, and some of these moments are really great, but generally speaking, their hugs do not compare to the ones that either of them has with Cisco. Also, note the group hug scene, conveniently cut off before Cisco joins in, because unlike the Romione + Harry hug in the Prisoner of Azkaban movie, there's no way to interpret it as a third wheel/cockblocking moment, because the moment Cisco declares it a group hug moment, Barry and Caitlin both agree, and you can see it on their faces that they are delighted, and think that Cisco joining in their hug has just made it even BETTER.
40. Henry gladly accepts a hug from Caitlin, immediately after laughing at Cisco's awkward moment and giving him a fatherly reassuring pat on the shoulder. I think it's safe to say he approves of all of Team Flash.
41. Oh look, another thing Barry and Cisco and multiple other characters do.
Good god, I'm not even halfway through this yet. This is like that time I tried to climb Diamond Head.
42. Ah, superhero poses, yes. That thing that...superheroes...do. Like, all of the ones on this show. And in general.
43. "They begin to resemble each other." They're just white, fam. OH MY GOD, I SOMETIMES TAKE MY SUNGLASSES OFF WITH ONE HAND, TOO! OT3 MUCH????? 😱 Lol what even??
44. How many times throughout this video am I gonna have to repeat that everyone on this show has these moments? Also, speaking in unison with someone because you had prior knowledge of what they were going to say due to yourself or someone else time traveling, is not the same as being in sync with them because you’re close. (He said “Weather Wizard” at the same time as Cisco, too.)
45. Idk what to even say to this one. Like, Iris is obviously the love of Barry's life, and Cisco is obviously his favorite best friend and the person he would be with if he didn’t have Iris.
46. *John Mulaney voice* AND THEN THEY DIDN'T! Seriously, though, both of the people they were trying to get over were perfect for them. I don't have a Barrisco specific rebuttal for this one though.
47. So by this video's logic, that one scene from 4x03 means that Barry, Harry, and Cisco should be a threesome, huh?
48. "I did it because it gave me an excuse to bring him back."
49. .................is this even an argument?
50. They're both good looking people, darling.
51. Wrong, sir. They fight like siblings. Trust me on this one, I have six of them.
52. Trauma response. I'm moving away from Barrisco arguments and just saying the first thing that pops into my head now. But seriously, this is a normal reaction to trauma/loss.
53. *Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh* I'm not even gonna say it this time, you already know.
54. Again, have you people ever had anyone in your life that you cared about, ever? I'm starting to get concerned, honestly. But for the sake of bringing Barrisco back into this, hey, remember that time Barry and Caitlin both got kidnapped on the same night and Cisco was completely beside himself?
55. This is getting out of hand.
56. Pretty sure dating Caitlin didn't even make the list for Barry's reasons to dislike Jay and Julian (also, he liked Ronnie, the guy she loved the most, so...)
57. Judging Barry for being a dumbass + helping an exposed girl out =/= jealousy. Granted, there was some jealousy in that last clip, but not because Iris got the man; it was because Barry was all set to live happily ever after while Caitlin was, y'know, struggling with powers she didn't want and another person living in her head that kept fighting her for control of her body.
58. Refer to season 1 episode 2, wherein Cisco is the person helping Barry from the beginning, and Caitlin asserts that she is on Joe's side when he tells Barry what a stupid and reckless idea trying to be a superhero is.
59 + 60. "Let's bring our boy home." / "Let's go get our girl." Do I need to cite either quote?
61. Again I ask, did a human make this list?
62. Don't make me tap the sign.
63. One word: Elseworlds.
64. If you'll scroll waaaaaaaaaaay up there, I already covered that Barry and Cisco hold hands A LOT.
65. Oooh, I made a meme about this one! Not after watching this video, I just see SBers say this all the time, and it drives me crazy.
I used this in my Snowbarry fandom drama presentation for my squad’s presentation party a while back.
Side note: ~INTERESTING~ how Caitlin being a doctor is ““romantic”” when she’s treating Barry but ““motherly”” when she’s treating Cisco. I can’t even.
66. ......I’m sorry, I’m just not seeing how the dramatic irony of them stating that Killer Frost will never be a problem on Earth-1 is pertinent to shipping them as a couple.
67. Hannibal Bates and Caitlin are perfect for each other? Weird take, but okay. Oh, and there Caitlin is trying to freeze Barry to death. Wasn’t there a point somewhere up there about her never wanting him to get hurt?
Side note: Hey, what’s the name of that guy who saved Barry in this scene?
68. Bruh, that’s just her dynamic with everyone that season.
69. Barry and Iris, Barry and Cisco, Cisco and Caitlin, Cisco and Harry, Caitlin and Killer Frost, Cisco and Killer Frost--just naming some duos that are more iconic than Barry and Caitlin. Again, no shade to their friendship--I really like them as friends!--but the shippers stay making it out to be more than it really is.
I also just have to point out that although Killer Frost was the one who willingly teamed up with Savitar/whom Savitar sought out first, when she comments on their team up and says it’s “Barry and Caitlin together again”, his response is to point out that she’s not Caitlin and he’s not Barry. In contrast, when he takes Cisco against his will and forces him to modify the speed force bazooka, he still refers to Cisco as his best friend.
70. Make up your mind, does Savitar count as Barry in this or not? Because he totally grabbed Caitlin by the throat once.
71. I don’t know how to break this to you, but not enjoying it when someone is in pain is just being normal. (Do I even need to point out Cisco’s empathetic cringing compared to Barry’s looks of mild discomfort, or...?)
At some point this went from being about Barrisco to being about Cisco being the favorite friend to both of them, idk.
72. He. Is. Literally. A. Superhero.
73. Man, what did I JUST say? Also, can we just acknowledge the build up to Crisis on Infinite Earths for a second, wherein Frost very quickly accepts that Barry is supposed to die in order to save everyone else, while Cisco has infinite crises of his own at the idea of having to accept Barry’s death--which, I might add, he never actually does? Neither does Iris, for that matter. They tried to accept it, and they thought they did, but they didn’t really.
74. Oh fuck it, just read 73 again.
75. Okay, what even is this one? Two scenes where they are not present for each other’s “deaths” and thus don’t react to them, meanwhile Cisco is devastated in both of them?
76. Same thing I’ve already said several times before.
77. How many times do I gotta point out that this is a superhero show?
78. Just really trying hard to find enough reasons to make this list 101, huh? (What is Firestorm, chopped liver?)
79. Because violence = chemistry apparently. Wasn’t there another entry about how they can never hurt each other or something?
80. I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over the vibrating hand that shredded Cisco’s heart before either of those scenes happened.
81. It’s like SBers think they’re the only two characters on the entire show.
82. I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over all the other vibrating hands triggering Cisco at least once per season. But sure, Barry and Caitlin are the only two who know suffering.
83. Two words: Flashpoint. Dante. Also, not seeing how this one is romantic.
84. That’s just a Caitlin/Frost thing, fam, it only happened to Barry because he got whammied by Prism, who caused the same effect in everyone else he whammied. (Cisco’s eyes turned purple once when he got hypnotized.)
85. Please. I beg of you. Get friends. Interact with a human person.
Side note: “I trust you” was almost what I put for Barrisco’s “always/okay”.
86. “Don’t call me that. I don’t know you, string bean.” / “I don’t know who you think you are, but around here, people call me Mr. Ramon.” / “The name is Vibe.” (Again, romance where?)
87. Kinda like how Mirror Iris and Mirror Kamilla have slightly dressier tastes than Real Iris and Real Kamilla.
88. ....Anyways, Vibe........
89. The first time because Cisco saved him, the second time because she froze him just enough to fool Grodd, not enough to actually kill him. (Again I say, what is Firestorm?)
90. So romance. Very love. Much relationship.
91. ANYWAYS, CISCO. (And uh, hello, IRIS???? Joe? Harry?)
92. See 88.
93. This one might be a fun ship parallel if Caitlin had actually been involved in Barry’s brain zapping, but instead it’s just like, “here’s two random scenes that are kinda similar in completely insignificant ways”, like the evil clothes thing a few entries back.
94. Another entry that just demonstrates that their one-on-one moments together, while good, just don’t compare to either of their one-on-one moments with Cisco. I can’t be the only person who sees this.
95 + 96 + 97. I can’t muster up enough interest in any of these shows to watch them all the way through. Is this supposed to impress me?
98 + 99 + 100. The only point this proves is that they have multiple ship names. (I thought their evil ship name was Savifrost?)
101. Mm, sorry, sweetheart, Westallen, Barrisco, and Snowstorm all have them beat in this category.
This post really got away from me, at this point idk what I’m even doing, but I went on too long to stop now.
Oh, shit, there’s a bonus round.
Honestly, I fail to see how a lot of these supposedly “match”? But as for the ones that do, that’s just your basic TV aesthetics, I forget the official name for it. They’re matchy-matchy with Cisco in some of those shots, too, because TV matchy color psychology whatever. It’s a whole thing, every TV show and movie does it.
If anyone actually followed along this far, congratulations on your attention span, my brain could never. Idk how to end this post because it strayed so far from my original intent and basically just turned into a Snowbarry Fandom Doesn’t Make Sense Presentation 2.0
You know, I like to try not to generalize and stuff, and I’d like to think that maybe not all SBers are racist and that some people genuinely just like the ship because they think that makes sense or something, but then I look at their reasons for shipping it, and it’s just the dang blandest thing I ever did see, and they have to reach so far when they try to explain why they think they’re the best “couple” on the show and just??? I am the queen of shipping friends who never get together romantically, but Barry and Caitlin just don’t got it, son. Tbh part of the show’s appeal to me is the fact that there’s no threat of Caitlin ever getting with either of her male bffs in that way, because Cisco is like her brother, and getting with Barry just wouldn’t make sense. It just befuddles me to no end that they are such a wildly popular ship and not a rare pair, because the way their relationship is in canon is just exactly the way it should be.
That’s it, I guess. I’ve already invested this much time in this, so I might as well post it.
Also, please don’t anybody try to start anything in the comments section of this video, this fandom has enough drama as it is.
#anti Snowbarry#s6#(for spoilers)#I used to be indifferent about this ship I swear but the fandom is just so whack at all times that I don't know what to do with myself#mainly regarding their attitude toward Iris/Candice but in all the stuff talked about in this post too
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Nov 15 Stream Timestamps
Timestamps from Technoblade’s “THE EVE OF REVOLUTION (dream SMP)”
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01:46 tagging everyone in the channel member discord / level 231 03:43 agenda book / revolution tomorrow / slept through stream time / sleeps twice a day for 4 hours 05:21 “I did not write 100 pages. Or did I. Maybe I have a traitor manifesto on the other 99 pages” / no steering wheel / coronablade jokes are very funny / went to the doctor and figured out his cough / “Stomach acid is useful for at least one thing” 08:47 can’t believe no one told him these things about post 1.8 / splash potions, regen, thorns / thorns aren’t intuitive and no one told him / youtube ads 12:50 “At least I didn’t insult the Ethans, the Ethans are everywhere” 16:02 “I was gonna talk about something on the way but I forgot. And now it’s gone forever” / “They found your base” “Well I have livestreamed it” 17:04 wants to buy a gong to be the ultimate sellout timer / “I would get kicked out of my parents house so quickly, but for the day it takes them to do that I would get so many subscribers” 20:31 thorns stacking 25:21 “There’s actually some pretty affordable gongs out there” 27:32 vc with BBH and Tommy / confusing Tommy and Tubbo / “Don’t you hate it when people just consider streamers an extension of their famous friends Tommy” / “I’m just the child from Technoblade’s videos 29:08 “Let's be allies. Can I have your helmet and boots?” / saying he’s rude for hijacking the call but forgetting to leave call / double sellout 33:55 “Me and Techno the leaders of Pogtopia” / “That is a fair assumption” / “I can’t believe Badboyhalo hates his fans” 34:57 BBH offering Tommy a bow / “Tommy you are so broke” / “Average sized man” / no one believes Tommy is 6’3” / Techno is taller in game 36:34 just wearing a face mask / “I do not support any of the views being espoused by this particular individual” / Tommy trying to imply covid but BBH asks if he’s talking about bigfoot 37:39 Techno hunting down BBH / Midair stabbing / “I’M SO GOOD AT MINECRAFT” / Tommy desperately trying to be included 40:41 “Oh Badboy halo~” / “It just doesn’t work when your name is 4 syllables” / detective work to find BBH 42:52 “So you want Tommy to be successful?” / “I wouldn’t go that far. I want my enemies to be unsuccessful” 43:58 battle ender chest plan / “I’m going to deafen. I don’t know why I’m explaining to you my pvp tactics” 46:15 “I would be absolutely furious if Tommy stole my 4th fastest horse. Tommy and I go way back” / being excited to see Tommy / Tommy could have sworn at BBH as an attack 47:34 “I guess I could spare a little bit of iron” / “I think that was a sarcastic joke that I didn’t understand” / Techno picked youtube over girls many years ago / Subpoena pet war 50:37 recruiting Techno to fight Sapnap / place where Tommy ran over Dream 55:22 vc with Tommy and Sapnap 56:51 “Sapnap I hate men so much. If I see a man in the street I grab a knife and plunge it into his neck” / “Wow surprise attack” / thought it’d be a real fight 59:09 needs Sapnap to come geared / “audience retention” / “I saw Sapnap fighting Punz earlier and they had potions and full netherite an it was fun” Tommy tries to suggest Techno sit the fight out / “You asked for me to be here” / “Tommy I’m stabbing someone with armour and it might just be you” 1:00:29 arranging a fight with BBH / “Not now sellout timer I haven’t earned it” / 161k / “New phone who this” (to Tommy) / 2v1 with BBH and Antfrost 1:04:38 hasn’t done a lot of fully geared 1.16 fights / trying not to make fun of Antfrost’s fire prot helmet 1:06:30 Sapnap and Tommy have worked out their differences and don’t need Techno 1:07:34 “I love my fans, I forgot to plug my cha nnel and they’re all reminding me” / “Only 1v2” “I could only find 2 guys” 1:09:25 “I’m so unbelievably lost” / “I have to have seen a location to add it to my human gps” / Techno hates the ugly pranks that take forever to fix 1:11:28 server losing connection / guy who Techno told not to drop out is going back to school 1:13:20 “That’s the thing about senior yearbook quotes, its right at the end of the year...the amount of time to beat you up is shockingly low” 1:16:24 offering Tommy assistance / the Dream Team has logged on / “I have to be quiet...My parents are threatening to turn off the wifi” / “You’re getting owned in every world” / Techno taking his sweet time 1:19:11 “We want to kill Sapnap” “agreed” / “Dream alliance pog” / “unless he meant to add a comma” / vc with Dream and George / Techno talking over Tommy 1:21:28 “I feel like Thunder is a werewolf” / Tommy questioning Dream and George / “I have my swag and no one has that” “Well they’d have that if they killed you and picked up your swag” 1:32:22 “You guys all work for me” / everyone killing Tommy / “anti Sapnap expedition” / “ask George ask George” “ask Dream” 1:23:54 stream crashes / and also his whole pc / asking for viewers to come back from Tommy 1:26:39 joining vc / Dream recap / cutting back on calling Tommy lame 1:28:01 photoshoot / “So much clout in this one picture” / Sapnap begging Tommy to kill his pets / “What if [the pets] belong to some god tier pvper” / S-L-A-V 1:30:12 “L-A-M-E” / “Shoutout to the slavs” / giving the fox a grapple 1:31:20 Dream taking off his leggings / fox eating the gapple / “Dream you are a highly unusual individual” / back to 125k 1:34:05 “People can’t yelling me for not roleplaying when Dream is mooning us in the background” / “You can disrespect my family, you can disrespect my religion, but you can’t disrespect minecraft” / “I hate this man” ��NO” 1:35:40 Tommy challenging Sapnap a fight / Tommy trying to make Techno kill pets for him / Karl thirsting for the animatic 1:39:34 “If you make it out alive, give this to Sapnap’s cat for me” “If I make it out alive all his pets actually die” / Techno shooting the start arrow / “I’ll do the countdown...because I am an impartial mediator” / “You know how between those fight they have those sexy girl?” (Dream takes off his armor) / very engaging fight 1:42:31 post fight / “My chat’s spa.mming lame. It’s not my fault chat, Tommy doesn’t know how to crit” / “You might as well be naked” “Please don’t say that Dream” 1:44:28 “I wouldn’t say you’re that far from S-Tier” / “What tier am I in Technoblade?” “Who are you?” / “That was not an insult, I don’t know people’s voices” / “This entire server is just people that have killed Tommyinnit” 1:45:40 SMP Earth / “What country did you have” “I owned the world” / “A single country? (Dream) / trying to thorns kill Thunder / “Maybe if you die again the armor will come back” 1:47:12 Techno letting Karl trap him / Quackity tempting fate / snitch Dream / framing George 1:49:44 Dream complaining about trident flight / Techno bailing bc of boredom 1:57:19 Awesamdude leaving a potato trail / vc with Quackity and Sam / lying for content / complaining about getting free stuff 1:59:58 still lying to Quackity / “Quackity my entire chat is spa.mming lame, you’re going to need to pick up the pace” / heading to the jungle base 2:02:18 saturation stew is useful / “especially for content” / “If Carl dies I’d be okay with that, but not Andrew” 2:03:49 “Is Carl the orphan you said you were going to adopt” “Let’s go with that” / “If Carl dies I stop donating 2:04:31 Awesamdude snitching on Quackity / “I would be furious if I came back and Carl wasn’t in the exact block I left him” / lots of threats 2:06:41 “I’m not an orphan” “Not yet” 2:11:03 “It’s not an experiment, I’m just putting my hypothesis through multiple controlled trials where I adjust variables and record the results” / “I care about about the armor much more than the horse” 2:13:01 “Are you betraying anyone?” “No. I would never betray my personal ideals” / “What if the people you’re fighting alongside have different ideals?” “We’ll burn that bridge when we get to it” 2:17:28 Quackity’s failed forgery in chat
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Hi, I'm Mack! I use he/they/she/ze/frog pronouns (he/him, they/them, she/her, ze/zir, frog/frogs) . Welcome to my Harry Potter themed sideblog. There's a lot more info under the cutoff.
I'm gonna say here that I strongly dislike JK Rowling and don't agree with the things she's said about trans people (and transfem people in particular). I do my best to avoid supporting her. I also get that there are a lot of racist and otherwise harmful tropes, ideas, and biases present in the text. I'm trying to make sure to keep learning and helping my friends and family who like Harry Potter to recognize those things when I can.
So. About me. I'm Mack. I'm genderfluid and queer. I'm white. I'm a minor. It's not hard to make me anxious, if I post something like that please give me a minute to come back around. I have a screwy sleep schedule, but please feel free to message me at any time if you want to! I have some self esteem issues and usually have a bit of trouble reading tones and I try to use tone indicators. I sometimes use emojis or emoticons. I try to add warnings (tw _____ and possibly _____ tw). If you need me to tag anything or if I tagged something wrong, please let me know!
From this account, you can expect rants about my opinions on characters and other things from the movies or books, Hogwarts imagine things, reposts of art and writing and other things, potentially my own art if I get confident (I like drawing outfits; might post some), likely some real world awareness things, and probably more I'm forgetting.
If you plan on following, please be aware that I am really forgetful and may require a bit of patience. "Repost if..." things make me really nervous and uncomfortable. I might post about real world stuff and I might accidentally post something onto the wrong sideblog. My DMs are open for now, but if things get creepy, I'm closing them. Same deal on asks. If you want to be friends and are over 13 and younger than 18, feel free to DM me and I might tell you my main account if I want to. However, while I don't really care if you know my main, please don't seek it out on your own. Also, I don't always check through the accounts of people I reblog from, but please reach out to me if I reblog something from a bad person or someone who I don't want interacting with my posts.
On that subject, please do not interact with this blog if you are:
an NSFW blog
racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, ableist, any kind of LGBTQ+phobic, etc
a TERF/SWERF
someone who doesn't believe in xenogenders/neopronouns/ace folks/aro folks, etc (included under LGBTQ+phobic but I figured I'd state that more clearly)
a MAP/pedophile
"pro-life"/anti-choice
I got my header from Artem Maltsev @art_maltsev and my pfp from Rhii Photography @rhii on Unsplash.
I'm gonna add the tags I use so this blog can be navigated easier.
Here's how to use my neopronouns:
Example: I just saw Mack's blog. Their posts exist, that's for sure. They should remember that posting things means other people can see those things, but I'm sure they can figure that out themself, so let them. Those posts are theirs.
ze/zir: I just saw Mack's blog. Zir posts exist, that's for sure. Ze should remember that posting things means other people can see those things, but I'm sure ze can figure that out zirself, so let zir. Those posts are zirs.
frog/frogs: I just saw Mack's blog. Frogs posts exist, that's for sure. Frog should remember that posting things means other people can see those things, but I'm sure frog can figure that out frogself, so let frog. Those posts are frogs.
If I missed anything, please let me know. Sorry if you had to read all of this lol
#Hi!#intro post#This got a bit long sorry#pinned post#introduction post#intro#introduction#Harry Potter#Harry Potter sideblog#Harry Potter fan#anti jkr#jkr mention#Mack Makes Long Posts#Mack Makes Medium-Length Posts#Mack Makes Short Posts#Mack's Magical Headcanons#Mack's Home Brewed Text Posts#Mack's Pensieve#Mack's Escape#Mack's Opinions#Mack's Rants#Mack's Art#Important#Mack's Writing#Mack's Favorite Quotes#Character Birthdays
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*Important FAQ*
Aka questions that pertain to what I usually post about or stuff I don’t like getting asks about but continue to get asks about regardless.
[Insert any invasive question about my ethnicity/race]
I’m Ghanaian American. My parents were born in Ghana and I was born here in the US. I’ve seen it more on twitter and tumblr, but Black Africans don’t like me because I’m American, and black Americans don’t like me because I’m African. So I’m stuck in the middle lmao. I’m what you’d consider a First-Generation African, my parents are Continental Africans, and if I have children, they will be considered Generational African Americans.
First Generation African: A black person born in the US to parents who were born in Africa
Generational African American: A black person born in the US to US-born black parent(s)
Continental African: A black person born in Africa to parents who were also born in Africa
Non is just a prefix, black people don’t have a monopoly on the term! I suppose you think nonbinary people are racist huh?
Yeah sure it wasnt coined by black people but the context it’s currently used as was predominantly used by black people. ALL people who are not black benefit from and contribute to antiblackness, even if they are marginalized themselves. That kind of dynamic doesnt exist in other contexts (unless we’re talking about transfem + transmisogyny, but that’s something you’d have to talk to someone who is transfem about. Plus they have their own word for “non-transfem”). Using it in contexts outside of antiblackness is appropriative (Yall are annoying as fuck with the “non-aspec” “non-lesbian”(this term also has anti-bi roots btw) “non-bi” shit etc, stop it. You also can’t complain about the “replacement terms” lumping yall with oppressors when “non-x” does the exact same thing you’re so worried about. “Cis” puts cis gays with cis hets, cis disabled people with cis abled people, cis white people with cis poc, I could go on.)
Plus we’re talking about marginalized groups here. Black people are a marginalized group. Binary people as a whole are not so the term nonbinary isn’t appropriate at all. I dont take issue with terms like “nonamerican” or “nonwhite” because (obviously) whites + americans as a whole aren’t oppressed for being white or american.
Basically using "non-x” in contexts to talk about oppression bad, everything else good.
Follow up: If we can’t use non-[marginalized group], what can we use instead?
There are other words to describe the people you’re talking about
non-transfem- TME
non-LGBT- cishet, or people who aren’t LGBT
non-trans - cis
Black people don’t have a monopoly on the acronym nb! I’ll call myself nb if I want to!
At this point I dont really care, go on your antiblack crusade elsewhere and out of my inbox, I’m always gonna mean nonblack when I use the acronym nb.
And yes, you’re antiblack as fuck if you think black people telling you “nb” stands for “nonblack” is the same as exclusionists claiming “aspec” is for autistic people.
Is x AAVE?
I have a tag dedicated to what is and is not aave and how harmful it is for nonblacks to use aave given its history. I know some things overlap with southern culture but others are specifically for black people. A lot of “stan twitter” language/slang is just repackaged AAVE. No, I can’t tell you how to stop using AAVE. Don’t tell me you’re going to try to stop using AAVE, I don’t want to hear it.
Why don’t you like the n-word being compared to LGBT slurs?
Race and Sexuality/Gender aren’t comparable topics because each deals with a different history of oppression. I don’t care about slur discourse that much because I don’t even use/reclaim any myself except the n-word.
I have a problem with nonblack LGBT people co-opting black culture and struggle(like they always do), especially for trivial online discourse.
And to be honest it goes deeper than slur discourse. Every other day someone is weaponizing the oppression of black trans women, or comparing “cishet aces/aros” in the LGBT community to white/nonblack people invading black spaces (you know, something that ACTUALLY takes resources away from the people who need it, see the cultural appropriation of Black African and Blac American culture in literally any nonblack community while black people get demonized for said culture), or tokenizing their black friends to get away with something blatantly racist. And that’s not even getting into how a lot of gay slang/stan culture is just repurposed AAVE/black culture.
And I’m not gonna lie, I’ve seen this more with exclusionist accounts than inclus accounts, but it’s still not excusable for inclus to do that either. We get erased as black gay/trans/queer/aspec people up until it’s time for discourse accounts to bring us up to one-up each other
Can you give me advice on x?
Most likely not, because I’m not an expert or an advice blog. I’ll try, but don't take my word for it. I’m also tme, able-bodied, not Jewish, singlet, etc, so I’m not able to accurately answer questions about transmisogyny, (physical?) ableism, antisemitism, “sycourse”, etc.
I might be able to give advice on school-related stuff since I just graduated high school, but remember that students are not a monolith, and what worked for me may not work for someone else.
Can I follow if I’m nonblack/a minor/cishet?
Nonblack and/or cishet can follow but watch your step, minors blacklist the #minors dni tag before following
Why do you hate Ao3?
*long sigh*
I don't, I have a problem with the fact that it allows racist and (frankly voyeuristic) pedophilic/abusive/incestuous content to exist on its platform. It’s a good concept overall, but the devs are complicit in allowing “underage” and “noncon/dubcon” fics on their platform.
And there's the fact that they somehow need donations every year despite exceeding their goal several times over each year?
What’s wrong with Hazbin Hotel/The Ships/Vivziepop?
[WIP, as I have to go into extensive detail about this and I currently don’t have the energy for it]
TLDR: Viv made a half-assed apology for supporting racists (one of whom did blackface [yes the mask was used to do blackface shut up] to mock black activist) and drawing gross content. Her current projects including Hazbin Hotel are full of anti-gay/trans/aspec (Angel Dust, Vaggie, Alastor), antisemetic (Mimzy), and racist (Vaggie again, that yellow cyclops character that I’ve forgotten the name of) content under the guise of humor. If you’re into that shit, whatever, just don’t follow me and don’t whine when I make posts criticizing it.
What’s wrong with Hamilton?
Aside from the fact that it’s very obviously glorifying slave owners and made people worldwide believe the founding fathers were good people, LMM, the creator, is nonblack. This isn't his story to tell at all.
Can you tag x?
I have a list of things I usually tag because they come upon this blog a lot. I cannot do catch all tags, as I have way too many followers for that. The closest thing to that is the “ask to tag” tag when there’s something potentially triggering but I’m not sure what it is. Everything is tagged as “x tw”. If something is extremely triggering, I’ll tag it as “major tw”
Do you tag slurs?
I tag slurs I’m not able to reclaim at all (i.e., d slur, f slur, t slur) or slurs I can reclaim but are being used as a slurs. I don’t tag the n-word, as I reclaim that one. I always tag the r slur
Can I message you about something/someone?
Unless you’re a mutual, most likely no. My DMs are only open to mutuals.
Do you want to be mutuals?
I don’t usually follow back people who follow me, especially if you’re under 16 or post things I’m not interested in.
Why is it important to have byf or about?
1) So I know gross people aren’t following me. This is not up for discussion
2) So I know someone’s not speaking out of their lane, which tends to happen a lot. (i.e, someone refusing to disclose that they are tme when discussing transmisogyny, someone not having their race listed when discussing racism)
3) Some people don’t want to interact with people under 18 or over like 30 or something.
Yeah, yeah, people aren’t entitled to personal information and all that crap but I have a serious problem with people speaking on topics from a place of privilege. Not to say they can’t talk about those things, just perhaps add a disclaimer that you’re privileged when talking about these things and be open to criticism, and NOT blocking people of the said marginalized group when they tell you something you’ve said was problematic.
I also have a problem with people who are intentionally vague about their age. There’s a difference between interacting with someone who’s 20 and someone who’s 29. I don’t want to say it’s the opposite for minors but at the same time there’s a difference for saying something racist at 13 and doing so at 17, and keeping your age vague makes it harder to determine how to deal with something like that. (Not that 13-year-olds shouldn’t know better, it’s just I don’t feel whole ass callout posts and receipt blogs are necessary for someone of that age).
Also anyone under 16, I can't stop you from following, but keep your interaction limited, please. This isnt an 18+ blog but I do rb suggestive jokes from time to time
I sent you an ask and you never answered it!
It’s likely that
I never got it
You were blocked
I’ve already answered this or it’s been answered in my faq
It’s a random positivity ask (which I appreciate but not sure how to respond to those)
You were rude in your ask and I didn’t feel like answering
I forgot until it was too late, which happens when my inbox gets a lot of asks at a time.
You sent it to the wrong blog (I.e, sending asks about my ocs to this blog instead of @ochood )
Hey, the op is [insert post] is [someone on my dni]! I usually double-check myself, just to be sure.
Have you heard about [someone who is mutuals with someone I’m loosely connected with]?
Most likely, no. And unless they’re an immediate danger to someone or they’ve got my name in their mouth, I don’t care.
Do you know who [x person/group/thing] is?Most likely no. Not to sound like a hipster but I don't usually keep up to date with trends. If I do hear about something, it’s most likely from twitter or Instagram.
Why am I blocked? Check here.
Why do you continuously move mains/change URLs/update themes?
I’m inconsistent. And sometimes there are posts on my blog that I no longer stand by.
Can I tag you in posts I think I’d like?Of course!
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A lot of people complain about not understanding the tagging system on AO3. I feel like I have it down pretty well, but one thing I always waffle on is side ships.
There are two major purposes to tags-- finding stuff you like and filtering out stuff you don’t like. Even this is a teensy bit difficult, because I write the slowest of slow burns, so sometimes things are shippy to me that you would need a Geiger counter of some sort to detect the actual romance. However, as Certified RenRuki Trash, I feel pretty comfortable that people who are looking for Renji/Rukia are gonna be happy to find my fics and people who don’t want to see it are not gonna be reading my stuff anyway.
There is not a lot kind of a lot of peripheral romantic relationships in my fics (I started to say there wasn’t and then I made a list and realized I was A Liar) and I rarely, if ever tag it. I did tag Rikichi/Hanatarou in my latest fic, because, even though it was minor, it was a plot point, and there were numerous scenes about it, and they kissed onscreen. Also, there are only 4 Rikichi/Hanatorou fics on AO3, so I might as well throw a bone to anyone wallowing in pasty sidekick4sidekick hell.
Byakuya/Hisana is also a thing that is obviously both canon and relevant to my work, but the only time I’ve tagged it was when I had actual flashbacks to them interacting.
I guess here’s the thing: I, to my shame, will read almost anything that is tagged Renji/Rukia, as long as it isn’t preceded by one of my Big NoTPs. I am so thirsty, I will take the smallest crumb anyone will throw me. For the most part, I come away fairly disappointed, but there are a few times I have found really great fics these way. I would love it if someone read my fic and felt the same way, but I would hate it if someone read something of mine and felt like they had been falsely advertised to. Obviously, I would like it if more people read my fic, but that isn’t my driving motivation here. I just want people who would enjoy them to read my fanfics.
I don’t think any of my sideships are the ones that people get worked up about, so I worry less that someone would read one of my fics and halfway thru, get super pissed because Shuuhei is flirting with Izuru, but... maybe? I don’t know! The last thing I want is anyone to read my fics and be mad about it.
I wish AO3 had, like, a minor/major tag modifier, I feel like that would solve a lot of my problems. I don’t use those much, though, because they cause work for the tag wranglers and/or they don’t work in the filters anyway. Sometimes, I try to just add extra descriptive tags, like the classic “everyone has crushes on everyone else because teens.” I do my best, but if you have any opinions, I’d be interested in hearing them.
Bonus, because I love talking about my fanfic, under the cut are all the side ships that are more or less explicit in my mainline fic.
Ikkaku and Yumichika are effectively married, except that aren’t into institutions. They are extremely low-key about it for the most part, unless they take you into their inner circle and then it’s too much information all the time, RIP Abarai Renji.
Ukitake and Kyouraku are soulbound, a thing I have defined as part of my personal World-Building. They are together on a level that transcends friendship and romance. They have been together for going-on one thousand years, and I feel like they go through phases of being more or less romancey and being close to each other and going off and doing their own things. Their relationship is a source of comfort and power and healing to them. They have a bunch of extremely sweet combo attacks and they can do gonzo stuff like cast kidou together. It’s basically the Old Married People Power-up because I am an old married person and I do what I want.
Urahara and Tessai are as married as two dead gay dudes living in Japan in 2002 can be. Probably Shinji got ordained online and they had a big party. Maybe when they get un-banished, they can make it official and Yoruichi is going to be a giant runny mascara disaster.
IchiHime is gonna happen, as per WDKALY. Rukia and Renji both ship it hard. This is the one relationship that I know people might take issue at, but I’ve only ever referred to it in the most passing of ways, it’s canon and I’ve already marked the fic as canon-compliant, and also, I feel like the intersection of people who are pro-RenRuki and anti-IchiHime is pretty small, but maybe I’m wrong.
Back at the Academy, Momo had a crush on Renji. She is very, very over it. Izuru had crushes on both Momo and Renji. He is... mostly... over both of them.
Renji and Shuuhei used to date around the time Shuuhei became a lieutenant and Renji was still in Squad 11. It was a surprisingly healthy relationship between two himbos who were Going Through A Lot Right Now. It ran its course and Renji broke it off, claiming that he needed to knuckle down on passing the Lieutenant’s exam, but it was really because they’d started hanging out with Kira again, and he could tell that Kira and Hisagi really wanted to hook up.
Kira, Hisagi and Matsumoto are not really in a relationship, but they end up having sex with each other a lot. About once a year, Hisagi and Kira will Forget What Happened Last Time and try to have a relationship. It will last approximately 24 hours, the Izuru-Renji-Momo group text will blow up, and they’ll get banned from the Seireitei Waffle House, again.
I am never going to write Hitsugaya with anyone. There’s not even a tag for this, and it would be overkill to tag this, but if anyone is reading my stuff in hopes that he’s gonna get some action eventually, it’s not gonna happen. It’s not that I think he’s ace or anything (and there are some characters that I think are), and I love this weird, neurotic babyman a lot, but I just got nothing for him, romance-wise, even aged up. He does develop a deeply strange BroTP with Byakuya and I tag it every time because Hitsugaya & Byakuya is the most important relationship in Bleach and I don’t want anyone to miss out.
#bleach fanfic#ao3 tags#sometimes i get thirsty and wonder if i would get some Big Numbers if I tried writing a different ship#but then it's like naw#i am who i am#i try not to talk about who i ship and who i don't because i don't wanna hurt anyone's feelings#but if you want an opinion you can always feel free to ask
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The Unexplained Murder Of Mobster Bugsy Siegel
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The Unexplained Murder Of Mobster Bugsy Siegel
This week on BuzzFeed and noticed we investigate the homicide of Bugsy Siegel the infamous mobster who helped launch the mega casinos that we companion with Las Vegas at present let’s be rolling oh you rolling the dice faucets table you recognize what which you can Scott talking of rolling the cube we are taking a risk here with the aid of doing a further mob episode getting gutsy yeah that is by and large grant doesn’t really topic how old you are pulling the trigger is just as convenient but you already know what i don’t must sleep in ok geez that convenient okay let’s do it all correct Benjamin Siegel used to be born on February 28 1906 in Brooklyn new york there together with childhood friends Meyer Lansky and Morris Moe stated approach Siegel began a crook profession extorting local street companies in alternate for security from different gangs in the field fellow gang member started calling him Bugsy a slang term for crazy on the time due to his violent temper allegedly Bugsy was not a nickname that Siegel cared for and people who knew him would never call him that to his face now that is anything I to find interesting about most mob nicknames practically all of them that is the guideline that applies you do not call them you do not name them their nickname to their face but when talking about them you utilize the nickname i suppose I could see if someone have been calling you babyface or tiny or tiny who else was i am seeking to suppose of different fashionable that’s embarrassing that those are the one two that come to mind you realize good appear i’m now not i am not embarrassed to not comprehend a lot about the mob put them in the back of bars ultimately Siegel sedway and Lansky transitioned to different crimes like vehicle theft bootlegging and gambling rising by way of the ranks of new York’s organized crime world it is greatly idea that Bugsy was once one of the 4 guys who in 1931 achieved Joe Masseria and an Italian restaurant in the big apple main fortunate Luciano to take the throne as the chairman of the board of the American Mafia in 1937 Lansky sent Bugsy and Moute to l. 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To build up the mobs presence on the west coast at the same time the mob had been closely worried in bootlegging throughout the 20s by the time seagull landed in California the 21st amendment had put a stop to money to be made on importing unlawful hooch it feels like the West Coast is continuously painted as like this identical to do excellent coasts like we had been always always like we acquired to take the crime syndicate over to the west coast some over there he never began it over here an excessive amount of crime right here let’s put some over there and says we might under no circumstances begin whatever on her possess over right here yeah we’re too distracted by way of the sunshine Bugsy made up our minds to center of attention on playing he invested in the SS Rex a playing ship that used to be docked three miles external of Santa Monica to check out and hinder California anti-gambling laws at the same time authorities finally shut it down Bugsy set his points of interest on Las Vegas Nevada had legalized gambling so there would not be as many complications trying to hinder police in 1945 with cash from the syndicate again east Siegel took over a struggling development undertaking outside of Las Vegas metropolis limits the Flamingo lodge and on line casino at the time Vegas used to be nothing like we think of in these days the Flamingo will be the first luxurious inn on the strip Siegel hosted the grand opening of the inn on December 26 1946 while the assignment used to be nonetheless unfinished nevertheless mega superstars like Judy Garland and Clark Gable have been at the opening for shadowing Vegas his glamorous future after this social gathering Siegel closed the hotel to conclude construction and the mob again east grew to be antsy I i’ll say building a significant giant luxurious luxury inn in the middle of the desert yeah you already know what it looks as if a bit of a chance it’s just right it is relatively first-class it can be just right stuff bit of of venture by this time the challenge’s rate had ballooned from siegels at the start budgeted 1 million to up to 6 million greenbacks much of the overruns believed to be as a result of Siegel’s skimming from the top if there may be one factor to recall concerning the mob it is that you don’t steal from it for the duration of a assembly of mob bigwigs in Cuba an agreement was once reached on the ft of Bugsy if the Flamingo proved to be successful he’d be able to make matters proper luckily for Bugsy with the aid of may just of 1947 the Flamingo had already made 250,000 greenbacks in profit alas for Bugsy that it sounds as if wasn’t adequate $250,000 a profit that is like a decent corporation right there i would say not just right sufficient for me now not enough so that you can be stealing yeah i would not be completely satisfied with him yeah on June twentieth 1947 Siegel was once sitting on a chin sofa in the residing room of his mistress Virginia Hills residence in Beverly Hills at 10:45 p.M.From a rose protected pergola simply 14 toes from Bugsy a 30 caliber navy rifle fired at the least 9 photographs on the mobster 4 rounds hit him killing him instantly simply moments later three of Meyer Lansky’s henchmen strolled into the Flamingo lodge and declared the on line casino was once now theirs despite his popularity coroner’s misspelled Siegel’s title on his toe tag and his funeral lasted a mere five minutes with handiest about six folks in attendance i don’t see i do not believe that is a testomony to how widespread he used to be as so much as it was a testament to probably the mobs power get him in the floor well it is like don’t show up good i’ll go to a funeral yeah you know the mob whacked this character yeah maybe don’t show up in help of him yeah you do not want so as to add yourself to an ever-developing record if I get murdered no person come to my funeral do not suppose you are gonna ought to put that disclaimer out it can be gonna occur on its possess now that I’ve put the disclaimer around yeah yeah sure the motive why there it’s they need anybody at my funeral you here but according to Beverly Hills Police Chief Clinton H Anderson quote we spent many man-hours investigating the Siegel case and have been satisfied that he was killed by means of his possess acquaintances however there was once in no way adequate proof to pinpoint the identity of the assassin finish quote with that it’s time to looking at theories at the back of who murdered Bugsy Siegel concept one the mob see you next week our first conception is Eddie Cannizzaro aka the Cat Man Cannizzaro was once a former errand boy for Jack dragna who was as soon as described in a document via the State Crime fee because the Al Capone of California end quote Cannizzaro died in 1987 of heart failure however earlier than he passed on he called a reporter and federal dealers to his dying bed the place he confessed to seven murders including seagulls in keeping with Ken Azura’s confession quote it was a smooth hit I used to be picked given that I knew seagull and would not make a mistake end quote I don’t know if a murder being individual always makes you less likely to make a mistake however i suppose if he is on his deathbed let him have the sentiment uh you may also in the sense that you know them higher you realize might be how they react you already know probably the place they but wouldn’t that additionally like carry into emotion what if you happen to like bear in mind like you’re about to do the hit i’ve the scope proper at your gigantic head and i’m considering we did have some excellent instances on the street maybe I should not do that yeah you already know that form of factor but then you’re but then I obtained a job some wins over rationalist ones over and also you pull that trigger Mike Gallagher your head yeah so casting doubt on Ken Azhar was confession are just a few inconsistencies in his story Cannizzaro claimed he was questioned in connection with the homicide at the time but there isn’t a document of an interview with him in the bugsy case file as well Cannizzaro claimed that after the murder he drove off in the path of Wilshire Boulevard a neighbor query after Bugsy used to be killed nonetheless told police that after the gunshots a car was once heard hurtling within the reverse path in the direction of sunset Boulevard on the time of his demise Cannizzaro used to be dwelling along with his mother and over 30 cats within the Agoura Hills local of Western LA County he was once hoping to create a beginning manipulate serum for cats and had requested a few of his old buddies in Las Vegas for funding very funny that this man has 30 cats and is attempting desperately to discontinue them breeding yeah perhaps like I wish to suppose he had two cats and then a yr later had 30 cats is like I bought a I obtained to shut this down yeah I simply i don’t consider like that is some thing you disclosed to your mob neighbors like you’re tossing again beers i am like you know I received 30 cats working on it everybody’s usually like telling them crazy reports like good you know I received 30 cats and used to be like k I mean i’m trying to introduced the can seeking to discontinue him i’m seeking to stop them bounine controlling my mind I received a serum you need to take a look at it i’m engaged on it also I hate that he calls it a serum it makes me feel like he is doing a little like extra bizarre science lesson slightly juice that I injected that testicles Eddie get out of the storage it can be not working to your rattling Cyril shut up mother the 2d concept is a world struggle two vet Robert McDonald this concept comes from Warren hall an govt assistant in Nevada who said MacDonald’s function in Siegel’s murder had been a loved ones secret for a long time on his deathbed hall’s father entreated his son to study the story and get it out there hole obliged the death man’s request occurring to create a four hundred slide PowerPoint presentation laying out the points of his case yells ah who’s he displaying that to yeah yeah who is he showing that i suppose investigators perhaps you just inviting friends over for margaritas yeah I got a while oh certain it’s loopy Oh believe about 4 and a half of hours due to the fact your trip to Niagara Falls hope you went to the lavatory when you consider that there isn’t any breaks McDonald was once married to holes mom’s cousin and excellent buddy Betty Anne McDonald Betty Ann’s mom Gaynor Rockwell labored at metropolis corridor in l. 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There she met Jack dragna the Al Capone of California from our earlier idea gaynelle told dragna her daughter was once having troubles along with her husband McDonald who would be violent now and then McDonald additionally happened to oh the mob $30,000 dragna went to McDonald explaining his debts can be forgiven if he offed Siegel consistent with entire MacDonald’s time in the navy made out of an proficient marksman together with with the 30 caliber carbine the alleged murder weapon again nonetheless the neighbors record of a speeding automobile forged doubt on this conception whole thinks that McDonald who lived just on the opposite part of a golf course from Virginia Hill would have escaped walking sneaking back to his residence not up to a mile away at the hours of darkness he simply lived on the other part of the hill he’d sneak you recognize by way of the dark covert like conflict mm-hmm so unless he desired to throw them off sure why would I drive when I would simply walk you particularly consider he went that deep into it he’ll double bluff just three months after Bugsy’s murder McDonald would go on to shoot himself and his wife Betty Ann hall says there’s no evidence that Beverly Hills police ever investigated McDonald as a suspect in Siegel’s homicide besides the fact that children that McDonald allegedly used the equal form of weapon to kill himself and his spouse as he did on Siegel less than a mile away and most effective three months after Bugsy’s homicide all believes it is even feasible that Howard Hughes can have pressured police to not investigate McDonald as he had labored closely with the person’s father how he got here in and a majority of these mob ones I consider adore it’s like might be he did it behind the barn and buried him and then you already know doc tossed his physique within the river whereas this one sincerely has things that linked him to the crime I feel like complex factor is the mob is just right at protecting their tracks that’s actual that’s what they’re built on yeah a 3rd idea comes from be mentioned way the wife of Mo said manner Bugsy’s childhood friend developing within the mob in step with be mo had been sending on line casino numbers back to Meyer Lansky on the East Coast together with gambling winnings and crucially building bills Bugsy conducted a assembly in March of 1947 without Mo there he reportedly said he used to be looking to get rid of Moe saying quote i’m going to have Moe shot chop his physique up and feed it to the Flamingo inns kitchen rubbish disposal finish quote I inspiration you were gonna say he was once gonna feed him to the flamingos and that may have been cool as hell one of the most attendees advised Moe who called his wife and asked her to force from LA to Vegas the 2 then drove out into the desert after which walked even further to make certain a private automobile precision going for walks into the desolate tract to have a personal conversation good cuz that’s the only method that you could ensure good day I get it also now not gonna lie in the event you do have a demise risk for your head probably now not nice to walk out where nobody could in finding you or see you good point let’s prepackaged ourselves for this homicide make it real first-class and handy there is me real fine they can’t hear us at all let’s have a private dialog you realize what we have to do dig a gap for ourselves they’ll certainly not to find us down right here six toes down I consider that’ll be beautiful it would be excellent it’ll be first-class when Moe told his wife of the hazard against him be right away referred to as Matthew moose Panza a crane operator and bees lover Moen be who married when he was once forty one and she or he just seventeen had an awfully unconventional marriage for the time they have been very honest with one another and knew about one an extra’s extramarital companions in fact Moe had insisted that upon his dying moose used to be to marry B after their assembly moose arrived in Las Vegas to defend Moe after the mob boss meeting in Cuba were cost overruns on the Flamingo were discussed nevertheless Lansky gave Moe his blessing to take concerns into his own hands moose volunteered to do the job and spent weeks practicing his marksmanship I obtained a question about my boy strikes yeah see somewhat man Oh cuz you believe quite often in the mob it can be form of like yeah yeah yeah like a significant colossal tall lanky man like me could be a brief stack or something they’re fan of boxy they’re a fan of boxing yeah i like i love a i love you be like oh wait until moose gets here big knock on the door they opened the door and although it used to be from it was once in obstacle let me have it the moose ‘cell pressure down in step with B after pulling the trigger moose hurried to the auto and drove straight to Santa Monica where he broke down the rifle leaving the butt of the gun on a rooftop and throwing the barrel into the ocean as his wellness was failing B’s son Robbie reached out to her reporter to tell his mom’s story when that reporter reached out to the Beverly Hills Police department to investigate whether moose had been viewed a suspect they responded quote it’s within the excellent interest of the town of Beverly Hills not to speak to you and quote i really like the truth that that posh workplace could be in all probability beat soiled yeah that is just I think that’s simply how the whole thing in California back then was once just filthy quite though oh yeah i assume Beverly Hills I continuously saw as a situation of like i do know plenty of LA was corrupt all of it Oh each all of it so you go by the principle that the more glamorous the extra soiled maybe but another theory suggests the Chicago mob took down Bugsy with the help of Siegel’s mistress Virginia Hill Hill had been viewed a relied on mob courier and in keeping with author Andy Edmonds the Chicago mob used Hill as a supply of understanding on Bugsy’s dealings at the same time Siegel was building the Flamingo the Chicago mob was financing a competing resort the dunes on the present website online of the Bellagio Siegel’s homicide also took position at Hills residence he would had been competent to inform an assassin about Siegel’s addiction of studying the paper in her residing room at night and Hill had conveniently skipped city for Paris that day he’ll finally move to Europe to prevent expenses of tax evasion the place she died at the age of forty nine her death was once deemed an overdose however some have their suspicions that the mob was concerned Chicago mob heard of what they do i know you’re gonna come to this shocker as someone who was once born underneath the beam let me tell you a cog oh we all know what we’re doing I comprehend it’s exciting a lot of mob movies you look at Goodfellas stuff like that definite all takes place east coast but you rather need something done go to those boys in Chicago man you recognize I received a say in a shocking flip of hobbies Shane talked about Chicago once more in an episode frankly what an upset oh and the pizza as one expects with mob killings there are a lot of alternative theories in the market most of the time unsubstantiated to this day no one has ever been prosecuted within the death of Benjamin Bugsy Siegel and while what occurs in Vegas stays in Vegas what occurred to the person who helped start latest Vegas remains unsolved i know I’ve busted this out earlier than however this is very so much a case of oh boy just gonna ought to let it be mr.There it’s it took us three episodes to get to that and now we have arrived some things will just certainly not uncover and also you just obtained a yeah that is the best way of the world if there is one the place the evidence seems essentially the most robust i would say that it can be the one that entails mo mousse and Lansky and simply love mousse do love me some giant moose and a moose fan but both that or the hill one additionally makes sense too yeah but if I needed to go together with one i’d go along with them free all in on what do you put it in all the new you slide them all in so I might go is that okay to finish on a fine Vegas reference yeah there you go see you next week .
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