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rabbiaharon · 2 months ago
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Shalom Aleichem!
Today I wanted to address something I have seen all too often, regarding the Torah approach to politicians - not only non-jewish politicians (particularly and especially), but even Jewish politicians. In addition, there is an issue which applies to all idolaters (I will explain the context of this term later on!), including all non-jewish politicians who fall into that category.
First of all, in Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (167:14), there is a rule stating that a Jew is forbidden to give a gift to a non-Jew that they do not know, based on the posuk “do not give them grace” (לא תחנם) which our sages explain to mean “do not give them a free gift” (לא תתן להם מתנת חינום). This being a scripturally-sourced injunction, it does not depend whatsoever on who or what kind of a person that idolater is, provided that you do not know them personally. Giving a gift to an idolater you have a working relationship with is considered under this halacha to be a purchase, as they have either already paid you or helped you in some way (and the gift is in appreciation), or there will be some personal benefit as a result of the gift.
Furthermore, the Kitzur rules (167:15) that it is also prohibited even to compliment an idolater that you do not know personally, as it also falls under the category of “do not give them grace”. This applies even complimenting their appearance, and, as the Kitzur says “How much moreso to compliment their actions”. However, it is permitted to compliment their appearance in certain situations, if you are intending not to compliment them, but to compliment Hashem for creating such a beautiful creation. The Kitzur clarifies at this point (167:16) that we are permitted to take care of the non-jewish poor (in other words, they aren’t included in the category of idolaters who you cannot give a gift to), because of darkei shalom.
The category of who is considered an “idolater” is delineated in the Rambam (Maimonides) in his magnum opus, in The Laws of Kings and Wars (Chapter 8): This includes anyone among the non-jews who does not keep the 7 Laws of Noah because they were given to Moshe at Mount Sinai to give over to the nations (A relatively high bar to reach, as someone who does not keep the Laws of Noah because they don’t know about them, someone who keeps them because they are logical, and even someone who keeps them becaues they were given to Noah, are all categorized equally as idolaters).
The ruling in 167:14-15 applies to all people classified as “idolaters”, certainly including non-Jewish politicians, who you would be hard pressed (if not frankly unable) to prove are keeping the 7 Noahide Laws because they were given to Moshe. While there may be heterim (exceptions) for individuals to donate to political campaigns (regarding the ruling of 167:14), as they don’t represent individuals but rather ostensibly collections of policy that you may want implemented in your area, it is always best to donate first to Torah Institutions rather than political campaigns. However, this idea does not extend to the question of complimenting individual idolatrous politicians, like the candidates currently running for federal office in this country. You can certainly vote according to your conscience, but know that complimenting your pick, especially regarding their actions (saying “Oh, this individual is/was so good for Israel!” Or “This person will be better to support Torah in this country”) would definitely constitute a violation of the ruling in 167:15.
In Masechta Avos in the Mishnah, there are 2 mishnayos which deal with the question of our interaction with any politician, one in the first chapter, in the name of Shamaya (“Don’t become familiar with the government”), and an additional mishnah, brought without a name in the second chapter. The conclusion of the first mishnah, written by Shamaya, is explained by the Bartenura as follows:
”’Do not become familiar with the government’ in order to receive any sort of authority from it. Another explanation is ’do not become familiar with the government so that you will not violate the expectations of your maker‘, as happend with Doeg HaEdomi. ’government’, using the term rashus (permission), indicates the government’s ability to do what it wants, regardless.” This applies even with Jewish politicians, especially those that do not keep Torah.
The second explanation of the Bartenura is especially notable in the case of idolaters in government, as following them and trying to become close to them would almost inevitably lead to the violation of the aforementioned halachos in Shulchan Aruch.
The second Mishnah is stated as a stam (a mishnah without an attached name) meaning that the compiler of the Mishnah (Rebbi Yehuda HaNasi) intended it to represent an absolute teaching, universally applicable in all relevant situations, rather than the opinion of one particular Rabbi:
”Be careful around the government, as they will not befriend a person except for their own needs; they seem like friends when it is to their own benefit, but do not stand by a man in his time of need.”
The Bartenura explains that this Mishnah advises people who are involved with the needs of the Jewish Community and the Jewish people, who need to be acquainted with authorities in order to facilitate the community’s ability to live and thrive, that the government is not our friend. The government isn’t thinking about the Jewish people, they’re only thinking about themselves. This is a poignant lesson that has been proven all too clearly over the past 10 years, with world leaders giving platforms to antisemites to broadcast their hate… as well as local and national leadership legitimizing, emboldening, and endorsing antisemitic organizations and protests. For us, though, it’s important to remember that we don’t have to rely on them, nor have we ever. We have an advocate above who can and will judge us favorably and support us in our time of need. If we want to be redeemed, if we want to leave our exile… We just have to reach higher.
Good Shabbos.
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foureyedfun · 7 years ago
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arosjunkdrawer · 8 years ago
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@einkamokha
The Gettlefish meme originated from about 3 years ago during a period which was marked by a major increase of neo-nazi harassment of jewish bloggers. People were sending triggering gore (pictures of jewish bodies from the Holocaust or from more recent massacres) into submissions boxes and all sorts of things. This time was the beginning of @operation-highlord and also @jewish-privilege’s block list. It was also marked -unfortunately- by a harsh rise in anti-orthodox sentiment within jumblr and harassment of orthodox bloggers by goyim, but also by other jews.
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becoming-balabusta · 7 years ago
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Sitting here talking to @raizeleh and walking down memory lane doing a Frumblr "Where are they now". It's mamash #wild y'all.
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daloy-politsey · 5 years ago
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Hey Jumblr. Remember gettlefish?
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wenevergotusedtoegypt · 9 years ago
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Judaism is so primitive and oppressive towards women.
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rabbiaharon · 8 years ago
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zionistmooncolony · 9 years ago
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Courtesy of the Zionist Moon Colony® and Gettlefish™ we wish you a late Rosh Chodesh Shevat!
Fish provided by @zionisteuropakibbutz
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foureyedfun · 7 years ago
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Israel
I'm at the train station right now. It's fascinating the type of panic that sets in when you are lost and confused about what's exactly going on.  
The train is red, like a dull long metal chocolate wrapper thats grown tarnished over the years. It's not like the new light rail in ירושלים, all silver and gleaming, Shaped cylindrical like a rocket gliding to it's next destination. But nothing remains under the sun, and I expect it too will one day tarnish. I'm a little nervous I'm waiting at the wrong רציף but this isn't a big deal because whatever happens, l find my way and figure it out. I'm a little upset because I thought tomorrow was Yom Yerushalaim, not today, and I wanted to be there for it. But only a little. It's a privilege to be here either way.
I just got in the train and it's so cool!! I recall reading a book where it described a train as having stops in places where people would give you oranges- this, for some reason, made me feel very excited regarding train rides. Why, I don't know. But either way, I'm on a train and very happy and grateful to be looking out at the Israeli countryside- what an opportunity!! When the train doors close it sounds like the elevator on star trek- "whooooshfff!” I'd better say tephilat haderech now. 
Sometimes when the train curves I can see its front, and I am reminded this is a train ride and I feel a bit giddy- I wish I had a conductor hat or a whistle or something, despite the lack of social convention involved in  displaying or using either of those within the quiet setting of a train.
There’s a man here that is speaking a mixture of Hebrew and Russian. It's curious to hear a mixture of Hebrew and Russian being spoken on a phone. Russian sounds like bubbling water and tastes like stilton cheese while Hebrew feels like a smooth skipping stone and tastes like dark chocolate. It's harder to describe what hebrew feels like because I’m not listening to the sounds, but trying to decipher the words. 
 So I'm looking out the window-( what better way to spend Yom Yerushalaim than traveling there and surveying Israel ?) and I see two HUGE plantations/houses, filled with (I think) geese!!!!  
I'm now In Beit Shemesh.
As I videotape this journey it occurs to my mind that this opportunity- to just see a bit of eretz yisrael is suh a huge gift, amazing stupendous breathtaking gift. I feel so very blessed.
The pictures I take cannot fully reflect the beauty of sun dappled hills and crags, covered with trees, some sprouting broccoli like out of the mountain. But it's all of the little things too- a stream, secretly flowing between the trees, a bunker, covered in roots, decrepit and abandoned, nestled in the forest among pink flowered vines and towering forest. It's inspirational, electrifying- it makes me want to weep an laugh and shout an sing, merely because I've been given the opportunity to look upon this wonderful aspect of creation. The firs, bottom branches sloping downwards, an the top branches desperately reach for the sky. They lean, almost held my and invisible string, horizontally off the mountain's slope. There is a dirt path between these two mountains- I imagine myself hiking upon it, maybe using the staff we got together that also can be used as a flute. I can imagine the ache in my muscles as I smilingly explore this region, actually experiencing this nature with my other senses, not just my eyes. And yet I wonder at ancient times, where splendor and singing could be heard throughout a united nation, where someone could lose a donkey and wander throughout these hills to find a prophet, or a group of prophets singing and playing music to Hashem. I wonder at a beauty I never had the opportunity to experience.  
I see little boxes- houses appear in mountains now, not just trees and I think we must be in/approaching Yerushalaim. I also know the agricultural formation to the mountains here- like stairs, so I think maybe we are approaching.  Yerushalaim - how very very very joyful!!! I was right- almost time to step off!!
Happy happy joy joy!
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approximate-ritual · 9 years ago
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Haconach Matata
Rick Santorum, prolly
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arosjunkdrawer · 8 years ago
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@wenevergotusedtoegypt regarding the gettlefish anon, I wasn't implying that they were jewish. Aside from that - Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but at least from my perspective I remember having a lot of nasty anons at the time.
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ploni-ben-nistar · 9 years ago
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I hereby appoint you Chief High Pharisee. (As per jumblr rules, every member is allowed ONE opinion on this issue. Two at the max.)
Ha yay! I am honored by the new title bestowed upon me due to gettilefish circumstances. So, does the pharisee council of Jumblr agree?
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bennistar · 9 years ago
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Why are you so hateful?
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somebodyhappened · 9 years ago
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I met a Police Man
I met a Police Man. 
I met a Police Man while driving down the interstate on the way to Boston. 
Did you know you were going 85 in a 65 lane?
"No," I explained. I wondered if I was lying. Did I know? Maybe. I handed over my papers.
Why not?
"I don't know?" Man, your sunglasses are shiny and cliché, as is your square jaw and hat, but the lenses are too small for your face. It ruins the effect, just like the baby fat still almost present in your cheeks, despite the sharp angle of your nose, and the forced stoic intonation of your voice.
Have you been drinking?
"Oh no, I don't drink," except on Shabbat, but I can't explain that, it would take too long and make me look too nervous. I take a sip of water- I filled an old coke bottle with tap- oh no, what if he thinks it's vodka- but he's walking away, maybe he noticed the cans of coke zero (not beer) on the car floor. But perhaps I am giving too much credit (too much blame?) to another person, he's a person, with power, but a person, or I'm so consumed with thoughts of consequences, or thoughts of knowing I would have been more careful with another person in the car (do I value my own life so little?), or maybe I shouldn't have been in such a rush, so silly, I wish I brought a snack with me, it'll be fine, there's nothing on my record, that's what he's checking, he'll see there's nothing and I'll be fine, okay, I'll probably get off with a warning and-
If you get drowsy again, just pull on the side of the road and rest a bit.
"Okay." I take the paper he's holding out, my stomach quaking with nervousness that is not betrayed in my stare or hands. He gets in his car, and I dare to open up the paper he handed me. It's a warning.
Oh. My. Goodness.
I'm psychic.
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wenevergotusedtoegypt · 9 years ago
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Yes, that's right, New York Times, until now only Orthodox Jews were allowed at the Kotel. A+ Eretz Yisroel-related journalism as always.
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goldhornsandsteel · 9 years ago
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I miss the gettlefish meme
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