#gamtav is real???!??
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grapefaygodude69 2 months ago
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GAMZEE: hApPy mOtHeRfUcKiNg (LaTe) HaLlOwEeN mOtHeRfUcKeRs :o)
TAVROS: ,,bLUH
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day 123
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andysapplepies 5 months ago
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Tavros is a GRINNDDEEEERRR
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domutkniecie 2 months ago
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can you tell i dont know how "holding hands" works be honest also, urm, i dont know if the colors are accurate i was too lazy to color pick and went for eye picking instead
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bunnytriestoanimateyt 2 years ago
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2022 art posting until my tablet decides to live again
Lil note to add: Tavros likes shoving his face into Gamzee's beard. Gamzee wants to shave completely but Tavros........
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nercomancia 1 year ago
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This is what happens if you fuse Tavros and Gamzee.
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requested by imsofansie聽
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weaselishmcdiesel 10 months ago
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gnawing at the bars of my enclosure for GamTav
they almost got me suspended at my christian k-12 school bc i posted them on my musical.ly but thats besides the point
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thats so real asdhfj im not very good at drawin gamzee ehe..
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caligvlasaqvarivm 7 months ago
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I know you've touched on it in your Gamzee Essay/general alternative timeline post but may I hear some more about your ideas regarding GamTav (or only Tavros)? You get these two in a way the broader fandom doesn't (which is fine, I'll still reblog even the most vanilla ooc art of them) so I'd really love hearing more of your thoughts:3
Ok, I think this is going to be someeewhat controversial, but I think they're destined for pale together, despite Gamzee's initial flushed flirting. I did in fact reread ALL of Tavros's logs for this.
I think the first thing we need to establish is that Tavros actually feels really shitty about himself. It's obvious that his problem is "self-esteem," since he's constantly prattling on about it, but there's a bit he says as Tavrossprite that's pretty enlightening as to where his actions stem from:
TAVROSPRITE: i SYMPATHIZE ENTIRELY WITH YOUR SOCIAL IMPASSE, cAUSING NOT GOOD REFLECTIONS ABOUT YOURSELF, tHAT MAYBE ALSO DOUBLE AS LIBERATING STUFF ABOUT YOU THAT YOU RANDOMLY DECIDE IS FINE SUDDENLY, TAVROSPRITE: oLD ACQUAINTANCES, aND GUYS YOU ONCE CALLED FRIENDS, TAVROSPRITE: tHOSE ARE VERY HARD, TAVROSPRITE: bECAUSE OVER TIME THEY GET EXPOSED TOO MUCH, tO ALL MY FLAWS AND INSECURITIES, TAVROSPRITE: aND THEY START LIKING ME LESS BECAUSE OF THAT, TAVROSPRITE: aT LEAST, tHAT'S HOW THE TRUTH FEELS, iN MY BRAIN, TAVROSPRITE: sO i START THINKING, mAYBE THEY CAN'T BE THAT IMPORTANT TO ME, aFTER ALL, iF i'M GOING TO WANT TO FEEL NOT SAD ABOUT MYSELF ALL THE TIME,
He has a mixture of self-loathing and social anxiety, the latter of which exacerbates the former, as his mind tells him that his friends secretly hate him. However, his real problem is what he then does with those feelings - he avoids them and the situations that cause them. This causes two major knock-on effects: the first is that he actively ends up distancing himself from people who ARE nice to him and DO care about him, only adventuring with Vriska because he's a pushover and she's very pushy (he adventures completely alone up until that point, and winds up sleeping almost all the time afterwards); the second being that, because he refuses to actually sit with and address his negative feelings about himself (or anything else), he's never able to fix them, or remove himself from shitty situations.
Something consistent with Tavros is that every time he tries to make a decision before his death and Vriska-prototyping, it's by trying to rely on something external - whether that's his imaginary friend, his robot legs, or the story of Pupa Pan... or relying on advice from Kanaya, or seeking approval and forgiveness from Vriska, or earning flushed interest from Jade. He believes himself to be deeply flawed and untrustworthy, so he allows other people to make his decisions, and when relationships do get intimate enough that someone might get him vulnerable, he peaces out. Even his ill-fated attempt to kill Vriska is heavily encouraged by Vriska herself:
AT: aND THAT BEING THE CASE, AT: eVEN THOUGH i'M TERRIFIED OF YOU, AT: aND nOT AS STRONG, AT: oR REAL CONFIDENT, AT: oNLY MOSTLY FAKE CONFIDENT, AG: Yeeeeeeees? AG: Go on. AT: i THINK, AT: i AM GOING TO HAVE TO STOP YOU, AG: Yeah! That's the spirit. AG: Pretty weakslime threat there, 8ut it's a start. AG: Tell you what. AG: If you can find me in this la8, you can have at me. AG: I'll even give you a free shot! No funny 8usiness or anything. AT: oK, AT: tHEN, AT: hERE i COME, AG: I'll 8e w8ing. <3
As we see with Jade, whom he's attempting to flirt with flushed, he's actively trying to impress her using "self-esteems" explicitly gained from "fake" things he's acknowledging as fake - that is, refusing to be genuine and vulnerable with her, because he doesn't believe anyone would like him the way he actually is.
AT: bUT WHAT ABOUT, AT: mY ATTRACTIVE BRAVADO, AT: aND IGNORING MY INSTINCTUAL COWARDICE HARD ENOUGH TO SAY THAT i LIKE YOU, AT: iSN'T THAT, AT: sUPPOSED TO BE VERY ATTRACTIVE, aND ENCOURAGE THE MAJOR HAVING OF FLUSHED FEELINGS IN OTHERS, AT: i GUESS WHAT i MEAN IS, wHAT ABOUT ALL MY CONFIDENCE, AT: wHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT,
His "dating" Vriska in the dream bubbles is also dubious and one-sided at best, as John calls him out for faking it and Tavros isn't willing to bring up wanting the Ring of Life because he was planning to propose to Vriska. Thus, once more, he's attempting to use something disingenuous (in this case, a human proposal) to win another person's affection, which he believes would be a symbol of actualizing his "self-esteem".
We also literally see him do the "deciding someone wasn't actually important to you after all, so it hurts less when you cut them off before they can hurt you emotionally by noticing your flaws" thing with Nepeta - he actually quite likes Nepeta, and would certainly have enjoyed having her play the game with him, but he assures her that it's not a big deal basically immediately, and insists he'll just find someone else:
AC: :33 < tavros im sorry i cant be on your team :(( AC: :33 < im not allowed AT: oH, AT: tHAT'S OKAY, AT: tHEN i GUESS HE SAID NO, tHEN, ... AC: :33 < hmm purrhaps AC: :33 < but i still f33l bad AT: i'LL FIND ANOTHER PLAYER, iT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, AT: gOOD LUCK, bEING, AT: oN THE BLUE TEAM, AC: :33 < ok thanks :((
But, perhaps most strikingly, is the way he leaves his good friend Gamzee on read after Gamzee suggests... gasp... intimacy.
TC: WhEn wE Up aNd sTaRt tO KiCk aT ThIs rEd TeAm NoIsE, TC: YoU ShOuLd mAkE YoUr wAy tO GeT YoUr hAnG On aT My hIvE. AT: oH, yES, tOTALLY, TC: We cOuLd sPlIt a tIn oF ThE PiMpEsT SnEeZe i gOt oN HaNd, BaKeD Up aLl sPeCiAl fOr yOu. TC: AnD ThEn mAyBe mAkE OuT A LiTtLe. AT: uH, TC: ;o) AT: , AT: ,,
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It freaks him out, and he's never seen hanging with Gamzee again. And this is a huge shame, because not only is Tavros one of the only people who is nice to Gamzee and appreciates his religious beliefs, but Gamzee is one of the only people who hears out Tavros's genuine insecurities and desires without making fun of him:
AT: tHE ONLY THING MORE FLY THAN THE RHYMES, AT: i'M SAYING TO EXPRESS ALL MY MALICES, AT: iS THE ABILITY HE HAD i WISH WAS MINE, AT: iNSTEAD OF i GUESS, THIS EXCESSIVE PARALYSIS, TC: (lOoK OuT FoR ThE HoOk bRo!!!) TC: GeT OfFa tHoSe wHeElS, gEt oFfA ThOsE WhEeLs. TC: If mIrAcLeS ArEn't fAkE He'lL GeT OfFa tHoSe wHeElS! AT: bUT HIGH, iN THIS CASE, hAS DOUBLE THE MEANING, AT: iT MEANS HE CAN FLY, pLUS DOES HIGH SELF ESTEEMING, AT: tHAT'S TWO THINGS HE HAS, tHAT i'D RATHER WERE MINE, AT: hIS TWO FLAPPY WINGS, aND hIS BIG HEALTHY SPINE, AT: oOPS, AT: tHAT'S THREE THINGS,,, TC: GeT OfFa tHoSe wHeElS, gEt oFfA ThOsE WhEeLs. TC: If mIrAcLeS ArEn't fAkE He'lL GeT OfFa tHoSe wHeElS!
(Compare:)
PAT: i'M SORT OF, lYING ON vRISKA'S FLOOR RIGHT NOW, PAT: lIKE, iN HER BLOCK, PAT: lYING DOWN, PAT: uHH, yOU KNOW, bECAUSE i CAN'T WALK, CCG: OH NO SHIT REALLY??? CCG: YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS, WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN.
He isn't able to do a REAL self-confidence at least until he gives Vriska the bird and flies away, for the first time asserting that he thinks she's an asshole and doesn't actually want or need her validation or approval. After that, he's able to convince a ghost army to follow him using friendship and asking and niceness. Breath powers! Also Page powers! Also actual self-esteems! Although I don't personally hold anything after Game Over as anything more than soft canon, I think we can still see a fairly straightforward character arc reach a natural conclusion there.
But as to why I specifically think him and Gamzee are destined for pale, despite what appears to be flushed leanings from Gamzee's end, and despite the fact that I usually believe what the comic tells me, is because what brief few interactions we see between them are very much pale in nature, and it would be kind of narratively bizarre if Gamzee were set up to have a failed moirallegiance - the quadrant described as "soul mates" - without managing to find his real soul mate after. And who's it going to be? Equius? Or the guy that Gamzee literally says he feels "at chill with" talking to?
Gamzee kissing Tavros's corpse is often used as evidence for his desire for flushed, but I disagree - however Gamzee feels about Tavros romantically, kissing a dead player is how you revive them, so it reads to me - especially given how sad Gamzee is about Tavros dying - more like a desperate act to bring him back. Lest we forget, Terezi also gives it a try, and Karkat kisses Kanaya for the same reason - the reality that their extra lives are gone hasn't sunk in yet for these 13 year old kids, so they must try revival even if they know it won't work.
Moreover, Gamzee indirectly describes Tavros as his "best friend," after having called Karkat that through most of the game, and having an implied pale crush on Karkat during that time.
TC: YOU MOTHER FUCKING KNOW, BROTHER. TC: its the fuckin puppet. TC: THE ONE THAT'S ALL GOT TO BE MY BEST FUCKING FRIEND I GOT NOW. TC: now that my other buddy managed to be having his head chopped off. :oC
Moreover moreover, what Karkat cites as being the cause of their moirallegiance's failure is Gamzee's religious beliefs:
KARKAT: HE STARTED GETTING SO UNBELIEVABLY SELF SATISFIED AND PIOUS, LIKE WAY MORE THAN HE EVER WAS BEFORE. KARKAT: LIKE HE'S JUST SO COMPLETELY CONVINCED HE'S FOUND HIS CALLING, THAT THIS SESSION IS THE GATEWAY TO THE PROMISED LAND WHERE HE'LL FULFILL HIS DESTINY. KARKAT: HE'S SO CAUGHT UP IN HIS IDIOTIC SCHEMES HE COULDN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ME ANYMORE.
Which are explicitly what Tavros invites Gamzee to speak on, and appreciates:
AT: yEAHHH, yOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE CLOWN THINGS, wHICH, AT: i DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND EVER, bUT THAT'S OKAY, AT: bECAUSE IT'S KIND OF FUNNY, AT: wHEREAS, i'LL ADDRESS SOME TOPICS PERTAINING TO MY INTERESTS, AT: aND i GUESS, pERSONAL MOTIFS, TC: YeAh! FuCk YeAh, ThAt Be HoW sHiT's AlL uSuAlLy Up AnD fUcKiN lOcKeD bRo. ... AT: dO YOU HAVE TIME FOR, mY MIRACLES, rELIGIOUS FRIEND, }:) TC: Do yOu gEt yOuR NoTiCe oN Of tHe mIrAcLeS AT: sO MANY, uH, gRATUITOUS EXPLETIVE, mIRACLES, tHE MAGIC MOTHER, aLSO eXPLETIVE, mIRACLES, TC: FuCk yEs, HeReS WhErE ThE SlAm tUrNs tO NoThIn bUt hOnKs... TC: HoNk hOnK HoNk hOnK HoNk hOnK HoNk TC: HoNk hOnK HoNk hOnK HoNk hOnK HoNk AT: HONK, TC: FuUuUuUuUuUuUuUuUuCk! AT: iT'S LESS APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO DO THE HONKS, tHAN YOU, bUT THAT WAS STILL GREAT, TC: YeAh, BrO. yEaH!!! AT: tHE SLAMS WERE TRULY PRIME, aND, AT: yOUR RELIGIOUS VIEWS, tHOUGH i DON'T SHARE THEM, aRE, AT: rEASONABLY INSPIRATIONAL, AT: i THINK i'M IN THE PROCESS OF RELEASING AT LEAST ONE TEAR,
But also in Tavros's single conversation with Gamzee, we see Tavros stand up to a highblood:
TC: :o) HoNkHoNkHoNkHoNkHoNk AT: }:o), hEH, TC: hAhAh FuUuUuCk, YoU sToLe My FuCkIn NoSe BrO! TC: WhAt GoT yOu EvEn Up ThE gUmPtIoN tO aLl FuCkIn Do ThE sHiT lIkE tHaT? AT: eRR, i DON'T KNOW, iT'S JUST, AT: kIND OF THE OBVIOUS THING TO DO, AT: sTICK THE CIRCLE IN FRONT OF THE DOTS, aND, bEHIND THE BENDY ONE, AT: pLUS, oH YEAH, mY HORNS, TC: hAhAhAhA. AT: mAYBE WE CAN SLAM ABOUT IT, ... TC: fUuUuCk, So FuCkIn FrEsH. TC: YoU nEeD tO bE sLaPpEd FuCkIn SiLlY wItH a MoUtH lIkE tHaT! hAhA. AT: aND, iF YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT, AT: tHEN i SUGGEST YOU GO AND RAP IT DUDE,
He feels safe with Gamzee, enough to take a bit of an attitude with him, enough to open up about his insecurities about his disability and how much he wishes he was like Pupa Pan, and Gamzee explicitly states he feels calm when he talks to Tavros, which is the stated function of a moirallegiance.
TC: Me tOo, BrO, yOu mOtHeR FuCkIn kNoW ThErE Be sOmE Of mY EyE's RoYaL JeLlY To gO WiTh yOuR EmOtIoNaL pEaNuT BuTtEr. AT: wHOA, aHA, hA, TC: ThIs iS BeAuTiFuL, dUdE, i fEeL So aT ChIlL WiTh yOu. AT: yEAH, fRIENDLINESS WITH YOU IS, pRETTY MUCH ALWAYS NICE, aND FUN TO HAVE,
And the thing is, trolls are constantly getting into moirallegiances when they want to be flushed (Eridan, Kanaya), having palecrushes when they want to be friends (Gamzee), and winding up flushed with their moirail (pale solfef is forshadowed in the same breath as pale erikar, and they don't seem to confirm a matespritship until after Sollux's actual flushed crush, Aradia, explodes). Especially for Gamzee, who was neglected by his lusus and struggles with social interaction to the point where he feels like he has to hide his real self (casteist beliefs, constant talk of religion and murder, which, by the way, come out when he talks to Tavros), it'd be easy for him to mistake the "instinctive attraction" of moirallegiance for the passions of matespritship.
These thoughts are all pretty disorganized - I'm really sorry, it's super late/early for me and I'm exhausted for other reasons - but I hope that that . was what you wanted? hahah
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lesboygamzee 6 months ago
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gamtav if it was real
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idiot-draws 10 months ago
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furry tavros..
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now the furry!gamtav yuri will finally be real
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caligulasarmageddon 4 months ago
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38, 39 and 50 危:33
OTP?
Erisolkat but it's Erisolsprite and Karkat
DualPsii is a close second
NOTP?
uuhghhfhfg Erisol the fandom writes it so not... it... lol Gamtav also sucks 馃槉
Character I liked at first but not anymore.
Feferi.. i don... likj her
(leans in real close... Cronus... I'm kinda... sick of him.. after a decade of him being my favorite character I kinda.. outgrew him )
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chessb0r3d 10 months ago
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if you're still doing the ask game, CalliRoxy and GamTav?
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CallieRoxy is cute, but I think what most people fail to realize that Callie is parasocial and she's like "self shipping" with her favorite "fictional character" from her favorite media Homestuck. (She doesn't realize that they are Real individuals who can slap her bald head.)
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GamTav is in the middle because I think they're cute. (They only had one conversation that went "hey lets kiss" to be responded with "Uuuuuhhhhhhhhhh *leaves*")
Anyway, Hussie doesn't know how to write romance.
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grapefaygodude69 3 months ago
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TC: <3
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day 203
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bolasmasivas 1 year ago
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GAMTAV REAL ?!驴!?!驴?! WHAT THE SCALLOP
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mo0shie 2 years ago
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Eritav post at 2 am cause why not
My thoughts on why I think Eritav is the best ship.
So canonically Eridan just really needed somebody who would've listened to him without being judgmental and who would've supported him. Not degrade him for having feelings or throw insults at him for every little thing he did.
And Tavros is that kind of person. He's so nice and would sit down and let Eridan talk. Even if he didn't have anything to say. But he would try. He probably doesn't have like the best advice or know much about specific issues. But he's genuine and would've tried his best to add input. And he wouldn't have berated him for any of it. He'd also just try to be silly to cheer him up. And even if Eridan might think it's stupid I'm sure he'd still appreciate that Tavros is putting in the effort.
On the other hand, Eridan is pretty blunt and straight forward. But he does show that he can genuinely care And he won't be awful about the things he says. Not like Vriska. And Tavros needs that. He needs someone who will not sugar coat things for him. Give him a reality check. But by also being gentle about it. As in he just wants to be insightful. Not malicious. And Tavros *would* be able to understand that. Eridan would reassure him of it. And Tavros needs that so much. Someone who'd actually push him in the right direction and allow him to learn in a good environment. Also they just have so much in common. They're both huge nerds. Tavros likes fairytales and games and Eridan likes history and magic (even though he insists it's fake. But only cause other trolls tell him magic isn't real and stupid). But Tavros is so unapologetic about the stuff he enjoys and would let Eridan have a safe space to talk about these things. He'd let Eridan know that he doesn't have to be afraid of criticism around him.
Eridan would definitely let Tavros talk about his stuff too. And help him build up his confidence without being a complete fucking jerkwad about it. Like he'd be blunt but he could still be supportive. And I'm sure he'd open up and enjoy these things with Tavros. They can be silly goofballs together. Who would play games and flarp and go on adventures. They totally would and it's just so obvious. But of course that's not shown because they just work too well.
And Tavros gets none of that with Gamzee. He doesn't have the potential to grow with him. Yea sure he can be himself and silly but he doesn't get the support and he doesn't get the eye opening talks that he would with Eridan. He also wouldn't get to do so many things that he enjoys with somebody who doesn't even know what he's doing. Gamzee slander right now (I don't hate Gamzee or Gamtav) but that guy is just aimless. Where would that take Tavros? Nowhere. But with Eridan he can be so much more. He can do so much more. He sees the direction Eridan wants go in life and it inspires him. He's still not entirely sure of what his purpose is but he knows he can reach it eventually. And it's because of the way Eridan makes him feel and think. It's because of his way of thinking that Tavros can go. Oh, I never thought of it that way. Or nobody has ever told me that before. And he wants to make him proud. He wants to be out there. And he will. He's gaining that confidence and determination he's always needed from the way Eridan treats him. He is literally the best person for him and I can't be convinced otherwise.
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bunnytriestoanimateyt 2 years ago
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BE MY BAD BOY BE MY MAN <3333 GAMTAV REAL
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catgirl-catboy 6 months ago
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17, 26, 29 for the ask game! (about either Homestuck or Ace Attorney, what you like more)
I'll do both, because why not
17.) Dumbest part of the worldbuilding
Homestuck: That highbloods live longer than lowbloods. Any fantasy racism plot where one race is more overpowered than another is completely missing the point, in my opinion. It gives in-universe legitimacy to things we are meant to perceive as racist.
Ace Attorney: Apollo's bracelet. I'm fine with my man having superpowers, but having them be partially triggered by a magic item is making things needlessly complicated, especially since Trucy doesn't have the same bracelet.
26.) A "He would not fucking say that" moment
Homestuck: Davepetasprite. It completely undermines the point of Davesprite's arc, since now he really isn't "The real Dave" Jake's hope powers should have been used here instead, to have a Dave be the hero without actually being the hero.
Ace Attorney: Low hanging fruit, but Maya becoming the Master and that being a good thing. Clashes tonally with the rest of the Fey family plotline.
29.) A ship or headcanon that clearly exists only to simplify fanon.
Homestuck: Honestly, Gamtav. I know it has some canon basis, but its one of those ships where the characters probably won't develop in interesting ways in. It just seems like it mainly exists to keep the two of them out of the way for Davekat and Vrisrezi.
Ace Attorney:
Horrifically abusive Manfred Von Karma. I don't think he was a good parent by any means, but the way most people write him makes AA1 feel like less of a gut punch. If he was beating Edgeworth and Franziska for every tiny mistake, then Edgeworth would be less suprised/horrified at the outcome of the trial.
Instead, I see him as more neglectful and distant. He doesn't demand perfection, but he sure only talks to you when you've won his attention.
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