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martin & dave during enjoy the silence (1989)
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I think, Martin really likes it šš
Gahore 2013 š¤
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Depeche Mode on Taratata, 14 February 2023
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This man is so genuinely sweet and loving <3 x
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In defense of RP Shipping and RP Fiction
I donāt normally come out and give my opinion on things like this so plainly about such controversial things. I tend to shy away from confrontational writing such as this. However this idea has been brewing in my mind for some time now so I had to write it.
I am a Real Person Shipper.
Iām seeing people talk a lot more about RP shipping (and the hate towards it) since David Tennant and Michael Sheen appeared smiling at each other in a photo after David's appearance in Macbeth.
RP Shipping is not a choice.
When I caught the shipping bug, it hit me like lightning. It occurred to me one night as I lay in bed next to the husband with which I had a deteriorating relationship: āare there stories about Dave Gahan and Martin Goreā¦being together??ā
Dave Gahan/Martin Gore (Gahore) are in Depeche Mode. They were my 1st ship as an adult. You can read about it here. Obviously Depeche Mode is a band so there is no fictional narrative anywhere to follow. I quickly learned that RP shipping was taboo. However in my shipping community we all shipped the band so I was more or less insulated from it.
I dove in headfirst. I literally couldnāt not do it. It was something my brain needed. Sure I could have forced myself to not go look for it because of some kind of moral (?) imperative which I wasnāt even aware of at the time, but even if I stopped myself, that would not stop my brain from wanting it. Making up stories and scenarios. Finding evidence in videos, songs, interviews, etc. I shipped these two people because of what I had observed between them.
I saw love. So did my shipping friends. We all saw it. I needed to experience it. My life lacked it.
My next RP ship was Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch (FreeBatch). First I fell in love with Sherlock and John, obviously. But then as I started to follow the fandom, I started noticing the same things that others noticed. My brain just went there. I literally had no choice. Itās not as if I could tell my brain ādonāt do thatā. It would not listen. You canāt tell a starving person to not think about food. In fact telling them that probably makes it worse.
In my personal life, I had been through a breakup with the man I dated after I got divorced, and then I began dating a woman for the 1st time. I really started to relate what I was seeing on the screen and reading on Tumblr and in fic to my own life. I was starting to process my own bisexuality. I started to notice things about Martin and Ben that other people were noticing too. Shipping them helped me navigate that time in my life because I saw myself in it. I related to it. But it wasn't a choice. My brain just went there. Maybe I was Baader-Meinhoffing but even if I was, that doesnāt mean itās something I didnāt need to explore, work out in my mind, and discover.
Shennant (Michael Sheen and David Tennant) is my 3rd RP ship. Yes I fell in love with Aziraphale and Crowley of course, but again, as I started to follow the fandom and Davidās and Michaelās careers specifically, watching interviews, watching Staged, etc, I started noticing the same thing that many others noticed. I literally couldnāt help it. My brain, again, just went there. Also in Staged of course, they play themselves. I have to say that my RP Shipping really took off after I watched them in that. They play themselves. Their actual partners are in it. If one were to write Staged fic, is that not RPF? Where is the line between what is supposed to be okay and what is not?
Again, with this ship, I had big things going on in my personal life. Dad passed away almost a year and a half ago, and now I'm taking care of my elderly mom long distance. It's a huge emotional burden. I'm not dating anyone right now mostly because of that but also because I was in a poly relationship with the male half of a het married couple (longtime friends of mine) that ended extraordinarily painfully (so this was V or chain-style poly not group-sex poly). Since then I've been alone for more than 2 years. I'm still getting over it.
The love I see between Michael and David feels unconditional. I see adoration. If they are indeed in a healthy poly relationship, my god, how on earth did they do that? Even while navigating fame? Itās certainly a lot more difficult than my own situation. I can explore it: What kind of person feels safe to me the way I believe David feels safe with Michael? What kind of relationship can withstand the kind of obstacles they (and I) might face? What would have had to actually happened for them to be as happy as they seem to be? What discussions were had? What agreements were reached? How does one do this the right way? What does that tell me about my own relationship and what went wrong? What should have happened?
This is, in its most academic sense, a tool for my brain to heal and to discover what kind of a relationship I want. And my brain knows it. Thatās why it ships. My heart doesnāt know that. It just knows I love seeing them happy together. This is the magnet that drew me.
RP Shipping helps us to work shit out in our personal lives.
I bought Spark edited by Atlin Merrick recently. One of the essays by Angela Nauss, LMFT (Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist) really stood out to me is titled Sympathy for the Devil: Attachment Theory and FanFiction.
The article is about fanfiction authors, however I would extrapolate this to include readers and RP Shippers as well. RP Shippers are authors of narratives in their own mind, even if they are not always written down.
From the book:
āFanfiction authors process attachment wounds using fictional characters as proxiesā¦to process and understand the origin of the problems encountered during adolescence.ā
āSome authors write fanfiction to humanize uncomfortable aspects of their identity, grieve and repair damaged relationships, and process attachment woundsā¦by exploring how the character would behave in adaptive relationships.ā
āFanfiction authors project their unconscious trauma onto the characters.ā
āThe characters gain insight into their behavior and no longer feel responsible for their childhood attachment wounds. Through their writing, the author incorporates repressed trauma and attachment wounds into their conscious experience and achieves catharsis.ā
āWriting fanfiction is a valid form of therapeutic self-exploration.ā
Iāve been in therapy for several years, In fact the poly relationship I was in is why I seeked out therapy in the 1st place. I know that shipping these people, exploring aspects of that, is helping me to heal attachment wounds and the trauma caused by past relationships.
As part of my healing from this poly relationship I was in, I intend to write a meta and/or a fic about David and Michael. I know it will aid in my healing. I may or may not post it.
Also, even Shakespeare wrote RPF.
Iām seeing people say that we RP Shippers are terrible, immoral, disgusting, gross people and that we want David and Michael to leave their partners. That we want to break up their families. Let me be clear that I want nothing of the sort.
There are people out there that want to "protect" them from this āimmoralityā by shaming us, berating us, calling us names. Even sending certain blogs directly to Georgia and Anna! This is the exact opposite of what actions like this are actually doing. This does not protect them from harm. It creates it.
There is no such thing as thought crime.
Not only is it impossible for me to choose not to ship these people, but I also get the sense that even thinking about it is supposed to be wrong. That it makes me an immoral person.
Something I keep seeing is that people are so upset that we RP Shippers are doing this. Like, why donāt we just, stop. Just look at all the other appropriate characters that are out there to ship! Or just never start in the first place. As if this was a choice we are making to consciously ship real people.
When shippers ship a couple, do they choose that couple consciously? Do they say, hmm, I'm going to ship X person and Y person because it's...logical? Or for whatever consciously thought of reason? I'm going to go out on a limb and speak for mostly all shippers and say no. Shippers ship because we see something in those 2 characters that we are drawn to like magnets, for whatever reason. Real People included. If you're on Tumblr for a fandom and read fic, you know what I'm talking about.
Male/Male relationships is a fetish, or a kink, for me. And by extension, RPS/RPF as well. I do enjoy thinking about what might be the "reality" behind the curtain that we are shown as part of their public personas. This is part of the ingredients to this fetish, or kink, for me.
Kink is defined by Wikipedia as āthe use of non-conventional sexual practices, concepts or fantasies. The term derives from the idea of a ābendā (a ākinkā) in oneās sexual behaviour, to contrast such behaviour with āstraightā or āvanillaā sexual mores and proclivities. It is thus a colloquial term for non-normative sexual behaviour.ā
A fetish is defined by Wikipedia as referring āto any sexually arousing stimuli, not all of which meet the medical criteria for fetishism. This broader usage of fetish covers parts or features of the body (including obesity and body modifications), objects, situations and activities (such as smoking or BDSM).ā
Generally, modern sexual health thinking seems to say āSo long as your fetish doesnāt get in the way of your own well-being, the safety of others, and your partners participate enthusiastically, there is nothing wrong with it.ā
It seems to be another taboo to claim gay (or bi/pansexual) men as a fetish, or a kink. There are some who claim that itās objectifying the very real experiences of gay men. I struggle with this because I can't deny that I enjoy it but I also don't want to hurt anyone.
I am not a gay man. I will never be a gay man. I am a cis bisexual woman. I can never know what that experience is like. This is, in essence, the core of the fantasy. It can feel as good and perfect and romantic and loving as I want it to be because I donāt have the parts or experience to know it first hand. Therefore I've come to the conclusion that my thoughts in my head and anything I write down in a safe space does not hurt anyone. For me personally, itās a way to disconnect from myself. People enjoy fic for all sorts of reasons. I shouldnāt have to prove that my reasons are "wholesome" to be allowed to enjoy it.
I donāt enjoy reading het fiction for reasons I wonāt go into, however they are probably not individual to just me alone. Hoards of women like me also enjoy the same thing.
So yeah. To the surprise of absolutely no one, thinking about Michael and David, or Martin and Ben, or Dave and Martin, or men in general, kissing or having sex or a romance with each other ā turns me on. That leads me to state the following:
Anti-RP Shipping and Anti-RP Fiction is kink shaming.
When I say "Anti", I'm referring to those who loudly object to it. Not those who (thankfully) say "that's not for me" and move on. Just like I would with say, Omegaverse.
Because my interpretation of these real people is in reality, āfictionā in my own head, then by definition all RP Shipping is RP Fiction. It cannot be reality because I donāt know them. Therefore any stories, speculation, comments, analysis, conclusions, art, etc, IS ALL FICTION.
Real people are characters to your brain.
Obviously I donāt know them personally, so anything that I were to believe or create in my head about them is by definition, fiction. My brain makes it up according to what Iāve seen, read, heard, observed and drew conclusions from. This creates a fictional reality for my brain to consume. It canāt be reality because I donāt know them.
Wikipedia says RPF writers are ābuilding a fictional universe based on the supposed real-life histories of their idols. Information from interviews, documentaries, music videos, and other publicity sources are assimilated into the stories. It is also very popular to write fiction about celebrity couples. Communities of writers build collective archetypes based on the celebrities' public personas".
I would never, under any circumstances, present any RPS/RPF questions, stories, insinuations, or even mention it at all directly to the actors/musicians/personalities or their partners or even anyone associated with them. I would be beyond embarrassed to do so. Even though Michael himself seems to be accepting of it, I would never present it to him. Never. (I mean itās not like I could really anyway but still).
I believe that 99.9% of RP Shippers would do the same. Itās the .01% that have done so (and unscrupulous ājournalistsā looking to shock by asking questions/showing them the RPF, and those people claiming to prevent harm by sending it directly to them āfor legal actionā or tattletale ālook at what these terrible people are doingā and blaming the RP shippers for creating it ā wow talk about projection) -that make a bad name for us all. Showing it to them and asking them about it IS a choice.
If RP Shipping is not a choice, a way to work out personal mental health issues, is fictional by definition, and a non-pathological aid to sexual excitement that hurts no one if it is contained within safe spaces such as fic sites and Tumblr, then what exactly is the harm?
Tumblr is a safe space.
Why is there such vitriol against RP Shipping and RPF? You claim to be protecting the actors or people in question, but by raising your voices so loudly in various ways, you are harming the very person you claim to be protecting. I think you have to ask what it is within yourself that makes you so aggressively hate this? Why can't we just say "that's not for me" and move on?
Don't we on Tumblr and on AO3 celebrate non-mainstream ideas such as this? Or if not celebrate, at least live and let live. The fact is that Tumblr is supposed to be a safe space. I should feel safe speaking my mind here. I know quite a few RP shippers follow me so I don't feel completely alone, but I don't feel entirely safe posting this.
My morality is not yours to police.
I strongly doubt Iāll be changing anyoneās mind with this. If youāre Anti RP shipping and Anti RPF youāre probably going to stay that way.
Donāt like, donāt read.
You can unfollow, block people, block tags, filter tags on AO3...any number of things. Think of it like a trigger. Just please don't spew hate.
#rps#rpf#good omens rpf#sherlock rpf#gahore#gahore rpf#real person shipping#real person fiction#dave gahan#martin gore#depeche mode#benedict cumberbatch#martin freeman#freebatch#sherlock#good omens#shennant#sheenant#ineffable lovers#david tennant#michael sheen#shipping discourse#shipping discussion#rp shipping#SlashWhore
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ā ļø DONāT START DISCOURSE ABOUT RPF IN THE NOTES!! YOU WILL BE BLOCKED IF YOU DO SO ā ļø
Do you ship it?
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āMartin write the lyrics, David sings them. The lyrics are often of an intimate and sexual nature. Dave has said that Martin seems to be so in sync with him at times. Aside from that they are very affectionate during shows - kissing and hugging etcā
Submitted by @martinsharmony
#do you ship this rpf ship#rpf#real person fiction#rps#real person shipping#shipping#shipping poll#david gahan#martin gore#gahore#depeche mode#singers#guitarists#keyboardists
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I made a hasty edit because I love these clips so much. The sweet look on David's face, his shy eyes and the way his lips curl upward when he says he "chose to feel" that Martin wrote the lyrics for him. I'd sell my soul to find out which ones he is referring to. And in the very next question Martin sort of confirms that any reading of his lyrics are canon if you want them to be. UGH! My poor little heart. And for shits and giggles we have Alan butting in with his "AmBiGuEtY" at the end. x
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Hello dears!!<3
#depeche mode#martin gore#dave gahan#80s#david gahan#80s depeche mode#depeche mode fanart#gahore#fanart
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Yeah, he's hot, but is he "Spirit Era Dave Gahan with hair in his face" hot?
#depeche mode#dave gahan#spirit 2017#photos#new wave#martin gore#gahore#david gahan#you look at spirit dave and call him ugly to my face#ill kick ur ass
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Dave & Martin duringĀ Waiting For The NightĀ (Live in Bern 2023)
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https://fb.watch/pdwMf0_KDT/
#depeche mode#martin gore#dave gahan#support#Š³Š»Š°Š²Š½ŃŠµ ŠæŠ¾ Š¾Š±Š½ŠøŠ¼Š°ŃŠŗŠ°Š¼#Š±ŠµŠ¹Š±ŠøŃŃ#soulbrothers#Š½Ń Šø ŃŃŠ¾ ŃŠ¶ ŃŠ°Š¼...#gahore#Š¾ŃŠµŠ½Ń ŃŃŃŠ°Š½Š½Š¾ Š²ŃŠŗŠ»Š°Š“ŃŠ²Š°ŃŃ Š±ŠµŠ· ŃŠøŃŃŠ½ŠŗŠ°
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ING 08.04.2024 ā¤
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Just some of my favourite shirts š„°
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This weekend I will be uploading a huge heap of my Depeche Mode photos which I made in Birmingham on 24 January 2024. Please check back during the weekend.
To get you in the mood, these are a few teasers straight off the phone.
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Is there an active Gahore community I can follow?
Hi nonny! First I have to say I'm so excited to actually be getting a legit ask! Thank you!
Now I have to be a bummer and say that sadly, I'm not aware of any active Gahore communities. Your best best is probably AO3 as #Gahore is a tag on there and there are many fics with that tag (including mine). Also Tumblr itself is probably gonna be your best bet as far as active peeps who are into #Gahore. I still get things across my dash occasionally however I have to say I'm not heavily into Gahore fic anymore so I'm not up-to-the-minute on it.
Now. Having said that, I went digging into my old bookmarks. I actually found quite a few communities that are still online. I can't speak to how active they are, you will just have to check that out for yourself. Maybe you can find some active parts and some cool fic!
Back in the day most of our fanficcing was done on Live Journal so quite a few of these are still there. I have no idea if the mods are around anymore - you may have difficulty joining and reading stuff if the mods aren't around to add you. The communities are likely dead but presumably the fics are still there.
I'm actually a mod in here - If you join this one I'll add you:
LoversDevoted.livejournal.com/profile
The rest I have nothing to do with. I'm just a member not a mod.
AnotherBlackDay.livejournal.com/profile
DMFanfics.livejournal.com/profile
Drugtype-d.livejournal.com/profile
Halo-n-reverse.livejournal.com/profile
StJarnaVerse.livejournal.com/profile
OK now the following ones are not LiveJournal but looks like there might be some recent activity and some fanfics here too.
DMSlash.forumcommunity.net
mesmer-sophie.gportal.hu (not in English but Chrome translate works well. This author - I know her - is on AO3 now)
martingore.proboards.com
wattpad.com/stories/gahore (I found this one by literally googling "Gahore")
The community I mentioned in my post is sadly not online anymore however I technically still have access to the files (I owned it for a while) -I just can't read them. I let the domain go so I can't get to them anymore. I hung on to it for a loooooong time. Way after the community went dead. I was so sad to let it go because we had so much good stuff in there.
I also had a group on Facebook but it's deactivated.
I'm so happy you wrote in to ask about this! The DM fanfic community is tiny - and it's even smaller now (I presume) than when I was an active member. I truly hope you can find what you are looking for.
PS: PM me for some goodies I've saved if you are interested.
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