#fuck mary winchester

[manwiththemagic]

I hate the stupid writer who decided that not only were Sam and Dean just like John and Mary, but also that no matter the character development they end up becoming them as parents?

Dean acting like John to Jack will NEVER be okay in my mind. And Sam acting like Mary? Not understanding how to interact with Jack and trying to be comforting while still defending deans toxic behavior and just UGHHH. The fucking scene where Dean pressures Sam into locking Jack in the box and it doesn't take much convincing?? YOU BOTH ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE.

I can't stand it. They would never do this. People aren't their parents, and I hate when media acts like it's an inevitable. It's not.

I do love the parallels with Sam and John, and Dean and Mary though.

Sam and John always fighting because they were both independent, highly intelligent people. Too much alike to get along. That makes sense and hurts. Sam becoming like John after Jessica died because he needed revenge, and refused to let his father do it alone even though if he were in johns position he would do the same thing?? Gold. (Except he might let Dean help, John refused too)

And Dean and Mary in S12? Or how once Mary went missing Sam explained how he felt left out because they always had each other. Because Mary had something special with Dean she never had with Sam. And how Dean was so mad at Mary for being gone when she came back. How he had to be everything to sam. There's so much more I don't remember rn but yeah.

Mary and Dean, while intelligent were the brawn. Even the angels said so with their freaky matchmaking shi. And how Sam and John, while yes strong, were the brains.

Sam was always smart, A+ student, full ride to Stanford, saw patterns in research others didn't. (My Sam has autism theory guys..) And how in s2 when s&d were showing ash johns research, he was like "how did bro see the signs? This is like impossible." Bc of the PATTERN RECOGNITION SHIT!! my brain is melting hold on chat.

And Mary and deans total badassery. How they could take out armys. Except when plot called for them to be beated. Esp mary. Why is everyone but Dean the damsel in distress?? ANYWAYS. They were also smart. Brilliant hunters. Understood it a way others didn't. They were like naturals at it. And even though at one point they both got out, and had families, they got dragged back in, and hardly mourned what they lost. Because they didn't really see anything else working out.

RAHHHHGGHHGH. Anyways gang. My head hurts. And I feel icky. GO VOTE IF YOU CAN!!

[wrenwinchester]

As much as I love the Jody is the boys real mom idea, I would just like to say, Jody was only 3 years older than Dean, and 7 years older than Sam. She’s more like their big sister who took care of them, took them in, and made sure they were taken care of. And especially in later seasons that’s how they seem. However, it’s also weird because of her thing with Bobby. So like. I don’t know I just. Anyway. It’s fine. I’m not sobbing as I watch season 12 episode 6 “celebrating the life of Asa Fox” as Jody acts more like a sister in the first half but later becomes more motherly, but also I think that’s just because of when the boys came into her life (right after she lost her son.) and I don’t know. I just… it’s fine.

And excuse me while I scream as Sam comforts his MOTHER and reassures her like Dean used to do when he was little. Like she’s a full grown adult, so why is she constantly acting like a baby. And also the fact that she just I don’t know man. Just Fuck Mary Winchester. And her antics. This, and the whole British Men of Letters thing.

Also. Straight up, the fact that Mary left her barely over 1 year old son to go “tie up loose ends” like how could you do that to any 1 year old, let alone your own kid. Like I know she left him with his dad, but still. Most moms I know have trouble leaving their own kid for more than a couple hours, let alone the potential weeks it would take to complete a hunt. Like, what did John think she was doing? Did she leave Dean with John, or someone else. Like. God. What the fuck is she doing.

Also, I’ve said before that Millie Wren doesn’t particularly like Mary, especially after the whole initial men of letters thing, she kind of despised her, still loves her, but doesn’t like her one bit. After the whole brainwashing thing, it just gets worse. Mary had to actually shoot her to get her to back down, she didn’t take her out, it was a leg shot or shoulder shot. But despite all that, she didn’t forget. She knew it wasn’t really her Mom, but seeing her mom shoot her with no remorse, even if it wasn’t a kill shot. Again, she forgave her. But still, it was hole after hole after hole put in her heart, killing her slowly. The grief she felt was immense, the pain and guilt of it all was a lot.

And yeah, of course Millie loves Mary, adores her even, but god does she hate her. The choices she made, the deal to save John, the deal that sealed her brothers’ fates as vessels for the divine, vessels for the apocalypse. And the fact that once she was back, she barely called or texted. She lied to them over and over again. Her decisions always served to better herself, her own life, but never seemed to help her kids. The people she claimed to love. The people she once died for.

This was supposed to be a short commentary on Jody and the boys, but here we are.

[maxiismp]

If there was a main female protagonist in supernatural since the beginning, I fully believe Dean wouldn’t have been such a weirdo about women.

Bonus points if she’s as old as Mary and behaves motherly towards Sam and Dean both. Like, if Jody or Missouri were there the entire time Dean would have had a bit more respect for women and Sam wouldn’t have such crippling mommy issues. Also give Sam a scalp massage please that man needs it

[hey-op-just-kill-me]

Hey Ollie!

As my resident supernatural mutual I would like to ask what this post means since I decided to do the spinny wheel despite having no clue what the implications of my results even would be. I got Mary so what does this mean for who I'm kissing?? is this good/bad/neutral?? I must know your thoughts.

Also also how's the dead boy detectives going? 👀 (genuinely no pressure, my love, just curious)

Okay that's all bye bye <3

Okay sooooo… first off before I rant haven’t gotten far in the show (haven’t had time) but so far I like it (and apparently my mom watched it???? Because I was watching it and she gave me a whole fucking run down of the characters and why she was waiting for more episodes) but yeah this sadly isn’t a sit down and watch in one sitting show simply because I don’t have the time but god damn do I wish I had the time because I want to keep watching this!!!

as declared by Zachariah (an angel who’s kinda a major dick) she’s a milf. She was also a badass hunter who was raised in a family of hunters but somewhere in the middle of the series they decided to take ‘dead mom as motivation for why Sam and Dean do what they do’ and just fucking bring her back to life for male motivation. (Long tangent I’ll go on later but fuck the tv/film industry for using females only to further the male plot I went on a whole rant in my production class and actually accused my professor of being misogynistic… we did not like each other very much) so before her death really cool bad ass I’d love to meet and would probably lowkey be intimidated by. Post death/ realivement she is a manipulative bitch who puts her sons into several awful situations because she thinks she knows what she’s doing and fucking doesn’t and her and Dean have this whole argument (several times tbh) where Mary isn’t just their mom she’s also a hunter (# tried to be girlpower) and tells Dean he’s not a child and Dean tells her he was never was because he had to be a single parent to his little brother. Will supply more of you need but this was probably more information than you were looking for lmaoo

badass first Mary before she met John (Sam and Dean’s dad) and she was being raised as a hunter by her father Samuel Campbell

Rebirth Mary where she is a decent hunter and a subpar human (also gets brainwashed somewhere along these seasons but not THAT important (it’s vital you know how much I hate this Mary as much as I hate John Winchester))

And third Mary from the spin off show the Winchesters that I did not personally watch but is in a parallel universe to the two Mary’s from above and deals with aliens or some shit idrk Jensen got bored.

[m1zumono]

‘i’m the one who burned his body. i’m the one who told his wife. i watch him die every night.’

‘good.’

‘how do you think this has been for us? we’re your sons, and you’ve been gone. our whole lives, you’ve been gone. you said that you needed time, no you said that you needed space. but you didn’t need just space, you needed space from us.’

‘that’s not true. dean i’m trying.’

‘how about for once you just try and be a mom?’

‘i am your mother, but i am not just a mom, and you are not a child.’

‘i never was. so between us and them..’

‘it’s not like that.’

‘yeah, mary, it is, and you made your choice. so there’s the door.’

‘sam..’

‘you should go.’

[lipstilinski]

The actress who played Mary Winchester just showed up in the episode of 911 that I’m watching and I about lost my mind.

It’s safe to say that Mary is the character I hate the most

[butch--dean]

the fates already fucked me sideways / swinging by my neck from the family tree

Dean & Mary Winchester / Family Tree Intro - Ethel Cain

in association with @amvs4palestine for @daalcuntynatural | youtube link

[walk-to-gallows]

I feel a rather petty, rancid frustration towards this fandom for how they rejected Mary Winchester when her world has not stopped burning since she died.

Spn gave two hands and a gun to a woman who had been dead since it's conception, only present in the past, and we fucking spat all over her because she had an understandably poor reaction to finding out that the world had aged 33 years and she had not.

[roachingurcoach]

okay I don't really know how to frame this. but like. funniest way to confirm Dean is Ben's dad is

20 year-old Ben takes a genetics test for fun or whatever, and the results he gets back are just batshit insane. it's like. oh hey. my biological father is a known serial killer who's still on the FBI's most wanted list and has been found or thought dead multiple times. and my uncle. and my grandfather. and my grandmother. and my--

[lambmotifz]

john: there’s a lot of his mother in sammy

dean: mom is a babe

they couldn’t be more unsubtle

[wrenwinchester]

Honestly, like lord knows I don’t like or care about either John or Mary Winchester, because neither of them were good parents, I have some lenience for John, he went psycho after his wife died and he wanted answers and to keep his kids safe. (Not saying he was right, in the way he did it, but I truly believe he did his best with what he had, and what he knew. Besides losing himself along the way.) But Mary even before her death only kind of gave a shit about her sons. She left Dean when he was barely over a year old to tie up loose ends. We don’t know how long she was gone, or what she told John when she left or got back. And then when she came back, when Amara brought her back, she left as soon as she got overwhelmed, barely an explanation, and then eventually started working with the people who kidnapped and tortured her youngest, and beat her oldest up. She’s not a good Mom, she was never a good Mom, at least once upon a time, John was a good Dad, he may not have been the best husband, but he was a good Dad. And he cared about his family. Mary put on a facade, she pretended she was something she wasn’t. Something she could never be. And she knew it.

And also in my fic, Millie will despise her, when she finds out about her saving Asa in 1980, more so when she starts working with the BMoL, not for what they did to her, but what they did to Sam, of course they were both put on the psychedelic drugs when they were trying to gain information, but Sam got the brunt of it. And with the little she knew, Bevell was lucky to be alive. So when Mary teamed up with them, after Dean yelled at her, and Sam told her to leave, Millie ripped into her, asked how she could do that to them, to Sam. That Millie wishes she could be mad for herself, but she doesn’t know how, she doesn’t care to learn how, because she’s only known how to protect her brothers. Deans rage doesn’t even begin to match her own, and she’ll never forgive her for this. (She reluctantly does, eventually, but that’s its own long story). Mary finally concedes, and she leaves. And Millie, Sam, and Dean have a family movie night. And Millie never forgets the pain Mary caused. To her, but mostly to her brothers, to Dean. And that, she just can’t, won’t stand for.

[caught-a-dragonfly]

[hotel-casifornia]

the thing about supernatural is that if it wasnt written the way that it was and sidelined every single character that wasnt sam or dean and actually fucking cared about the side characters with archs and real depth and didnt kill off every single character they redeemed was that it couldve been good. like the supernatural that exists in my head is a million times better than this hot garbage on a plate of a show

edit: it would appear a solid half of you entirely missed my point

edit 2: those of you making this about ship discourse you SUCK

[pastorpresent]

I love weirdcest bro. I love it even more when Sam and Dean are just oblivious to it. Bobby catches them just holding hands while they watch TV and just sort of stares. They notice him there, but their fingers don't separate. It doesn't feel weird or wrong or bad because Sam got hurt, and holding hands is just convenient because it means Dean can keep checking his pulse, because he needs to. It's the only thing that settles him down.

Or when Mary returns, and is living with them in the bunker. She watches Dean cook dinner. Sam's sat at the breakfast bar watching with what she could only describe as adoration in his eyes, a soft smile on his lips. It feels off, but she scolds herself. Tells herself it's a good thing that her boys care for each other so much. But then Dean leans over with a spoon, guiding it to Sam's mouth with that same sort of fondness, and her uneasiness grows until she leaves the room and waits to be called in for dinner.

Or when John walks into the motel room late one evening. One of the three beds in empty, and his eyes land on his boys sharing a bed. Dean's got his arms curled around Sam in an almost protective manner, and Sam is curled up against his chest. Sam's seventeen, Dean is twenty two. John figures the embarrassing position was unintentional. Convinces himself of the fact so clearly that he snaps a photo on his phone to use as blackmail, before 'accidently' kicking the bed and jolting the pair awake. Dean's arm remains around Sam while the brunette blinks blearily, and his oldest starts reaching for his gun.

"Just me, sorry guys. Knocked into the bed. Probably a good thing," he joked, gesturing to them.

Sam looked confused and tired, remaining slumped against his brother. Dean looked pissed. He hadn't moved the arm situated around Sam's waist, and John can't stop fixating on it.

"Just go to bed, dad," Dean sighed, lying down as the adrenaline left him. He brought Sam down with him, who went easily, returning his head the Dean's chest.

"...right," John muttered, heading to the bathroom.

He deleted the photo, and resisted the urge to burn the phone completely.

[ebenelephant]

really don't think we talk enough about the fact mary winchester had to full on makeout with a demon while it was wearing her dad's body. what the fuck was that.

[sweetm0uringlamb]

fuck John Winchester. all my homies hate John Winchester.