#fuck hybe and pledis…

[wnjunhui]

giving THE svt venues of 18-22k capacity for a US tour is insane and kinda insulting

[wooziorgans]

hey uh. in light of my most recent post (miami bf woozi texts) i would like to just come out n say that i do not support this project between svt n dj khaled at ALL.

just a reminder that dj khaled is a Palestinian man who sold his soul to zionsits and is also potentially a suspect on p diddys list. and i want to say that the timing of this project is incredibly suspect on hybe/pledis’s part after svt “allegedly” showed solidarity w Palestine at lollapoloza (let’s be real, sos is abt palestine,,, heavily censored bcs hybe would Never let woozi or anyone else for that matter openly speak up abt Palestine).

the only people I’ve seen be excited for this potential collab is carats, and that’s because they Don’t Know abt all the shit khaleds done/is involved with.

i mean, the half naked women welcoming svt is objectively funny as fuck but it’s also so incredibly uncomfortable. going from the world of being a kpop idol to the western music industry. those are two totally different worlds. and woozi was visibly uncomfortable inside of that club but I digress.

and while we’re here, let’s talk about the absurd amount of racism directed towards svt for just existing in miami as kpop idols. “why r we drinking w kpop” literally fuck you. the western (american) music industry is rooted in white supremacy and misogyny. and it’s DISGUSTING that hybe would (knowingly) subject svt to this kind of treatment,,, especially w someone like dj khaled.

hybe is profiting off of your naivety. do not support this project.

(edit: i totally misread the lyrics to sos. it’s abt drug abuse, from what i now understand, but I interpreted it as something else. there is still the double meaning potential. check comments for a full explanation)

[chansstolenlaptop]

You see how beautiful someone looks when there isn't a bitch behind the scenes, adding 13 whitewashing filters

[toodle-coups]

I just want to vent really quickly. I have to say that I love SVT and will forever be a carat. But it’s my love for SVT that makes me want to say this.

The SVT Right Here world tour is pissing me off. Because it’s not SEVENTEEN right here and neither is it a world tour. It isn’t even a US tour, more like a US pitstop. And I know I have no room to complain when other countries don’t have any dates, but I feel like that’s the right time to complain. Cause wtf? Their last tour had 29 shows and some performances in other parts of Asia.

And NOW 2 days before tickets go on sale you are going to announce the fact that Jeonghan and Jun both won’t be attending any of the tour dates. Like what do you mean 2 members can’t make it to the SEVENTEEN RIGHT HERE world tour?!?! I just feel like there was a lack of planning to ensure that this final tour before enlistment would be OT13 and allow carats worldwide to see them all. Like we are not getting OT13 again until like 2030 or something like that.

I 1000% understand that Jeonghan needs time for himself and his family before signing 18 months of his life away. I just thought that they would’ve started the world tour in July/August so they could be done by October and give him time to relax.

I also get actor Jun wanting to continue his own journey. But he really couldn’t audition for a role where filming wouldn’t start til next year or even a lil bit later? Like he has so many years to act while the rest of SVT enlist. And even after.

These conflicts just make me feel like this tour + album release weren’t planned with intention and care. Especially Jun’s conflict because when auditioning for a role you would usually state any prior commitments (so why not mention all the concerts as a prior commitment?). And we all knew this was the year for Jeonghan’s enlistment soooo… why not plan it in advance??

I still plan on going, I’m just not as excited as I had been. Idk if I really explained my annoyance well. And I don’t want to seem ungrateful. I just would’ve hoped to have an OT13 goodbye🤷🏾‍♀️ Guess I’ll just have to wait til 2030 to see them all again.

How does everyone else feel about this??

[booseungkwannie]

Istg if I wake up on morning to bald jeonghan, I will genuinely need to be hospitised

[defrosted69]

What are your thoughts about hybe not focusing or giving many comeback on fromis_9 despite they are in the charts, they are so talented and beautiful, i really don't know why hybe doesn't care about them. I hope we get more comebacks from the girls i really miss them

It's a Shitty company. And let's be honest here, Fromis_9 is the best well rounded Kpop girl group HYBE has yet they don't utilize it. No disrespect to other Girl group under HYBE but fromis_9 has proven time and time again that they are the WELL ROUNDED KPOP GIRL GROUP under HYBE. Hopefully the new CEO of Pledis take care of them.

[corvuscackles]

you are so brave and so deeply kind. i would fistfight the sun itself for you, uri most beloved boo 🥺🥰

[nightshadeblooming]

Gotta be honest, that dj khaled feature has completely ruined all my excitement for the comeback. And the members being defensive about the *very* legitimate criticisms large swaths of their fandom have about that disgusting man… yeah im not looking forward to it. The title track itself is an easy and immediate skip obviously, but it really taints the rest of the EP too and that sucks. I wanted to love this so badly, I needed to cherish this last chance for a thirteen member in years and now that’s been robbed from me and everybody else.

I mean, I’ve never been under any delusions that these immensely wealthy, adult men had zero autonomy over their actions unlike certain annoying boy mom stans, but to see the guys visibly stick their necks out to geek over that freak while loudly ignoring an ongoing genocide their fans have been BEGGING for them to speak out on is so, so awful. It’s a particularly sickening feeling when we know so many Palestinian Carats and their families have lost their lives. I get that people wanna say fuck hybe/pledis before anything (and I don’t necessarily disagree), but we’ve come to a point where we all take a hard, honest look at ourselves and admit that the members are just as complicit. Staying silent was a choice and it was one that spoke volumes.

[hannyoontify]

girl we wanted jeonghan back, nawt a collab w that weirdo

[badluv-bummies]

NAURRR I simply CANNOT have a bunch of SM artists' management be transferred to HYBE not after what they did to GFriend and Pristin

Buddies, Highs, SM Artist Stans WE RIDE AT DAWN

[ikjun]

u know u really gotta give it to pledis as shit as they are most past issues just stemmed from them being broke instead of actually torturing their artists

[shuadotcom]

i set an alarm for 2am…got up right on time…had the perfume kit in my cart…and in the 60 seconds it took me to get to the check out screen it was SOLD OUT?!?!?!!!!!! LIKE I HIT THE PAY BUTTON AND GOT THE SOLD OUT MESSAGE????????

[1800-needs-help]

I hate listening to the same music for a very specific time and then just moving on. Listening to nu'est and I can TASTE the pizza rolls on my tongue

[pporapipam]

NAUR nothing happened i just love gyu and bongbongie and think pledis/hybe sucks 🫶🏽

aah okie got it! 🥰 yeah honestly same. hmu if you go burn down hybe, i will join you <3

[jisungshotfirst]

Toku anon: so speaking of the Kpop survival show with Hui in it, I have some questions about Kpop survival/predebut shows in general.

1. Why does everything seem so dramatic whenever I see clips of these shows? Are they always like this? I think the least-toxic-feeling one I've seen clips of was the Stray Kids one. And even then, there were some tense moments.

2.a. I've noticed that a group doesn't always seem to debut from the shows? Like, there was a clip of predebut Ateez on a show called Mix-Nine, but I don't think that was their show? Because I was told only some of them got near the end. And the YG boss guy was there for some reason? (At least, I think it's him? It was the same dude that showed up in one of the SKZ survival show episodes.) So then which group was that show for?

2.b. and then there's that show that some of the Cravity guys were in, that led to X1, but apparently X1 disbanded. But it must have happened fast, because the Cravity guys looked almost the same in those clips as when they debuted in Cravity. So what's going on there?

3. Not exactly a survival show question, but what was happening in that predebut Seventeen show with the green basement? On the one hand, it wasn't scary the way the survival shows were (none of the evil edits and that type of drama). And I don't mind the low video quality (I've watched a couple toku shows at 144p). But there's just. Just something that doesn't sit right. As if at any moment some narrator would start saying that these videos were the start of an urban-legend creepypasta. But that never happens.

4. So how often do the "losing" trainees end up going to another company (and maybe debuting)? Because on the one hand, some of these shows have around 100 contestants. But on the other hand, it does seem to happen sometimes (again, seeing Ateez, and half of Cravity. Those are the only ones I know of though.)

5. How often do these Hui Moments happen? As in, a musician who's in an arguably-active group appears as a contestant.

Ahh<3 the world of survival shows<3 I shall answer all ur questions my friend 😎

1. They are edited and written that dramatically because it is reality tv 💔 drama needs to happen for it to be entertaining (subjective ofc! but to producers it needs to be) and again it's reality tv so it needs to at least Seem real. So the editors use what footage they have and dramatise the Heck out of it or some things will be scripted. It will fully depend on the situation and show as to how much the trainees are made aware of all of this (most of the time I feel they are not to have more 'realistic' emotional outbursts). They come in a whole range of toxicity<3 like in the skz one they do kick out felix and minho for drama despite the fact I'm sure jype had the full intention to debut them all. But yeah there can be a lot worse or just different. No mercy is the show that debuted monsta x and I have literally only seen a handful of clips from it because i hear it's one of the toughest to watch, I am not emotionally strong enough. Survival shows are often that dramatic because it's produced as a competition, but run-up-to-debut shows? A lot of them I fucking Love. Because there can be drama but it's not over elimination, the tasks are team building/training skills ! Oneus/onewe and ateez had very fun ones and my BELOVED flower snack .. which was tbz predebut show and it was just them running a restaurant. So nothing to do with performing skills but it was extremely entertaining and was just about team-building and getting to know the members personalities!

2a . There are survival/elimination shows of 2 kinds - one where trainees are from multiple different companies and winners debut in a temporary group together before going back to their companies (eg. Produce series, MixNine). And another where the trainees are from one company, or the show is run by one company, and there are eliminations and the winners debut in a fixed group (eg. treasure box, i-land). And then there are debut/predebut/run-up-to-debut shows with the lineup already fixed (eg. codename is ateez, flower snack). And then there are the few that are technically predebut shows with a fixed lineup but pretend there are eliminations for drama/ have temporary eliminations (eg. stray kids, pentagon maker). I will make a little list here of whos from what!! Official groups are ones made through winning the competition. Follow-on are ones with many losing trainees, or formed by winning contestants but After the temporary group disbands

produce (4 seasons) = [an mnet show - the most watched survival show]

official groups: I.O.I, wanna one, iz*one, x1

follow-on groups: ab6ix, cix, oneus, wei, cravity, bae173, ive, lesserafim, wekimeki +

mixnine = [a show made between yang hyunsuk (yg guy) and jtbc (tv producer)]

(No official group coz their debut was cancelled - yg SUCKS)

follow-on groups: ateez, oneus, onf, a.c.e, treasure, itzy, loona +

other shows

ateez = codename is ateez, treasure = treasure box, oneus/onewe = i will debut, pentagon = pentagon maker, enhypen = i-land, twice = sixteen

yes, some groups are listed multiple times<3 either members went through multiple shows or the group split themselves up between them all.

2.b. so... x1 jnfnd btw anything opinionated here is my personal opinion and people are welcome to disagree! but personally x1 disbanding to quickly improved my life tenfold. x1 was a group made of the 11 top trainees at the end of produce season 4. produce has had a lot of controversy to do with voting fraud (just in season 3 and 4 as far as im aware) so it's very unlikely that the iz*one and X1 lineups where the actual true winners. but iz*one were well debuted by the time it blew up but x1 were just debuted and it was decided that they'd disband and the members went back to their companies. there were 5 starship boys in produce season 4, 4 who are in cravity, and 2 of who got into x1. because x1 disbanded, the 2 x1 boys went back to starship and cravity were able to debut as 9 when they did! which ofc means the world to me because i love them so dearly as they are. and speed was of the essence to try debut and put out music as quickly as possible to make everyone forget about the controversies so it did happen super fast! (x1 disbanded jan 2020, vity debuted april 2020)

3. DFGJFGD no seventeen were just weird <3 not a survival show but not quite the official line up because there's footage from before all svt members joined and also of this kid samuel was training to be in svt but didn't end up doing that. (which kinda thank god because he was literally way too young. also he later was in produce season 2 and choreographed my favourite stage<3). those predebut svt clips are insanity... like they r being weird because they're svt and a big group of teenage boys but also pledis sucks so they were probably being driven insane too. but we got incredible memes<3

4. very often!! the world of entertainment companies is rly small it seems and trainees quite often jump around but especially through competitions and stuff! because they gain attention from other companies who offer a contract etc. a fun little case study for this is kang seokhwa <3 so seokhwa was a YG trainee and was in treasure box survival show and eliminated. he then left YG and entered produce season 4 as an individual with no company. during produce he befriends yohan of oui entertainment and yohan is like 'bro, come join my company and we can debut together!'. seokhwa agrees but yohan wins produce so is put in x1.... but THEN x1 disband. Yohan is shipped back to oui and oh? seokhwas here now! and then they debut together in wei!! but yeah. trainees can audition for different companies and companies can scout people from survival shows. this wasnt the fact with ateez tho! they went into mixnine as kq trainees and went back to kq when they lost. also with cravity, 4 of the 5 starshipz in produce went back to starship and debuted in cravity, the other guy went to rain company and debuted in ciipher!

5. so the hui thing... there have been similar occurences! i think beginning with produce season 2 when 4 of the 100 trainees were members of nu'est, so already debuted. however, they hadn't been active in a long time and had it Very tough trying to prevent disbandment so them joining produce was somewhat of a "last chance" - and it WORKED! minhyun got into wanna one and promoted with them for a year or so, and the rest of nu'est released music while waiting for him and they had an increase in fans from being on produce! this has since been replicated to varying degrees of success (victon, up10tion). there's a possibility that hui being in boysplanet was an attempt at the same thing (my initial understanding) and that it was some kind of strategical move but I be confused as to why because pentagon are not the same as nu'est victon and up10tion... its not the same situation, pentagon are comparatively much more popular. But i think now, hui might've just... decided to go himself. i can't remember exactly but it was something shinwon said about trusting hui to do what we wants to so now i'm not as mad at cube (i always am a bit tho) but im confuzzled by hui's existence. like what is that man thinking.

i hope all ur questions were answered!! if u have more or want me to elaborate on anything please just hit me. I love talking about this shit

[booseungkwannie]

Plybe announcing that "world tour" to anyone bar US + Asia: