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[nordleuchten]

for God’s Sake, my dear General, take Care of Your Health, don’t devote Yourself So much to the Cabinet, while Your Habit of life Has from Your Young Years, Accostumed You to a constant Exercise. Your preservation is the life of Your friends, the Sallvation of Your Country—it is for You a Relligious duty Not to Neglect Any thing that May Concern Your Health—I beg You will let me oftener Hear from You

The Marquis de La Fayette to George Washington, August 23, 1790

“To George Washington from Lafayette, 23 August 1790,” Founders Online, National Archives, https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/05-06-02-0146. [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Presidential Series, vol. 6, 1 July 1790 – 30 November 1790, ed. Mark A. Mastromarino. Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1996, pp. 315–319.] (03/26/2024)

[pitt-able]

William Pitt ... the little

That William Pitt had the byname “the younger” is no secret and I think we can all agree that this byname is quite useful in distinguishing him from his father, William Pitt (the elder), who was a British Prime Minister as well. Now, it seems as if Thomas Jefferson had a different name for the younger Pitt.

Thomas Jefferson to Madame de Staël, May 28, 1813

No, my dear Madam; the object of England is the permanent dominion of the ocean, and the monopoly of the trade of the world. to secure this, she must keep a larger fleet than her own resources will maintain. the resources of other nations then must be impressed to supply the deficiency of her own. this is sufficiently developed and evidenced by her successive strides towards the usurpation of the sea. mark them from her first war after William Pitt, the little, came into her administration.

“Thomas Jefferson to Madame de Stael, 28 May 1813,” Founders Online, National Archives, [Original source: The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Retirement Series, vol. 6, 11 March to 27 November 1813, ed. J. Jefferson Looney. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2009, pp. 140–145.] (02/14/2023)

I would love to know what Jefferson was thinking at that moment. Did he belittle Pitt (pun intended) due to some old grudges and personal antipathy? Was he simply scribbling this letter without too much thought?

Because Pitt was by no means “little” – quite the opposite. Just like Jefferson, he was very slender and above average height, often described as the tallest person in the company.

[there-is-cromwell]

“the most favorable possible to the faction of O-“

Attacking the protestors had been a grave mistake, you understood that quickly. But by then it had already been too late. The situation escalated quicker than you could have imagined and the angry mob of Paris forced you engage more troops. What was intended to restore the peace in Versailles became an outright battle with shifting loyalties. You fell in that battle, one of the many victims the Revolution would claim. It was a quick and clean death, for that you are thankful. What is probably the worst for a man with your taste for glory – you would end as a footnote to history, a fleeting legacy.

*fin*

Historical Context:

The historical context for this scenario is a prediction that William Short made in a letter to Thomas Jefferson on November 3, 1789:

These passions fermented a day or two and at length forced the Mis. de la fayette to march to Versailles in the manner described in my letter of the 7th. The game now seemed the most favorable possible to the faction of O———. Had the detachment of women, which had been sent off in the morning been attacked, the gardes Francaises and the mob of Paris would have forced the Marquis to engage the gards du corps and Regt. of Flanders. In this conflict he would certainly have fallen, and thus one of their principal obstacles would have been removed. If these women were not attacked, and repulsed, the retreat of the K. Q. and D. seemed inevitable, and thus an open field was left to the ambition of the D. of O. A council was held at Versailles. Most of the counsellors were for the retreat, but the King’s firmness, or if you please his confidence in the Mis. de l. f. turned the balance and saved his Kingdom from an immediate civil war. I can not omit one circumstance. Whilst the question of the retreat was undecided the King who that instant returned from hunting and got to the Chateau a very little time before the arrival of the women, asked if M. de la fa. was coming, and on being answered in the affirmative, took the resolution of remaining at Versailles.

“To Thomas Jefferson from William Short, 3 November 1789,” Founders Online, National Archives, [Original source: The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 15, 27 March 1789 – 30 November 1789, ed. Julian P. Boyd. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1958, pp. 530–538.] (09/13/2023)

The “faction of O———” is the group that had formed around the Duc d’Orléans.

I will admit that I do not fully understand if Short refers to an attack on the women when they left Paris or when they already where at Versailles. Based on the participants of this supposed battle and the reaction of the King, I would assume that he meant attacking the protestors before they arrived in Versailles. This prediction works either way though, since the participants and the general situation stays the same one way or another and this is why I used the scenario here as well.

[gracehosborn]

I absolutely LOVE that The Papers of Alexander Hamilton editors cited where the original manuscripts were at the time of publishing their series however I hate the fact that since the creation of Founders Online just over a decade ago these citations haven’t been updated accordingly since they were first written in the 1960s, because in the half-century since some stuff has clearly moved around as evidenced by the last hour I have spent checking a number of archives and utterly abusing their search engines to locate the manuscript of a letter The PAH editors stated to originally be in one archive, yet coming to the discovery that:

Said archive evidently no longer has the manuscript, (nor do those few others I checked for good measure) but I could be wrong and it’s just staring me in the face hidden somewhere

The manuscript is either lost

Or it has been moved to God-Knows-Where

I just wanted to look at one paragraph 😭

[alohapromisesforever]

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““I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. And, to preserve their independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.” – Thomas Jefferson, Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval (1816) — This letter may be read in its entirety at: “Proposals to Revise the Virginia Constitution: I. Thomas Jefferson to…

[nordleuchten]

(...) to potsdam I went to Make my Bow to the King, and notwisdanding what I Had Heard of Him, could not Help Being struck By that dress and Appearance of an old, Broken, dirty Corporal, coverd all over with Spanish snuff, with His Head almost leaning on one shoulder, and fingers quite distorted By the Gout. But what surprised me much more is the fire and some times the softeness of the most Beautifull Eyes I ever saw, which give as charming an expression to His phisiognomy as He Can take a Rough and threatening one at the Head of His troops (...)

Marquis de La Fayette to George Washington, February 6, 1786

“To George Washington from Lafayette, 6 February 1786,” Founders Online, National Archives, https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/04-03-02-0461. [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Confederation Series, vol. 3, 19 May 1785 – 31 March 1786, ed. W. W. Abbot. Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1994, pp. 538–547.] (01/23/2024)

i can kinda see the "fire and sweetness" in his eyes lafayette was yapping about

[seaskate]

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[nordleuchten]

In the case of my historical favourites that actually happened – in a rather comical incident:

La Fayette to George Washington, February 6, 1786:

I [Marquis de La Fayette] went to Silesia where He [Frederick II (the Great)] Reviewed an army of 31 Bataillons, and 75 squadrons, Making in all thirty thousand men, seven thousand five hundred of whom were on Horse Back—for eight days I made dinners of three Hours with Him, when the Conversation was pretty much Confined at first to the duke of York [Frederick Augustus, duke of York, second son of George III] the King and myself, and then to two or three more—which gave me the opportunity to Hear Him throughout, and to admire the Vivacity of His wit, the endearing charms of His adress and politness, so far that I did Conceive people could forget what a tyrannic, Hard Hearted, and selfish Man He is—lord Cornwallis being there, He took Care to invite Him at table to a seat By me, Having the British King’s son on the other side, and to Make thousand questions on American affairs—Among others I Remember He Asked the duke of York if it was trüe you intended taking an House in London.

“To George Washington from Lafayette, 6 February 1786,” Founders Online, National Archives, [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Confederation Series, vol. 3, 19 May 1785 – 31 March 1786, ed. W. W. Abbot. Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1994, pp. 538–547.] (06/15/2023)

One day I have to go and see if we have reports from Frederick as well. He was pretty consistent with his letter writing home, what gives me hope that there is something.

Imagine your favorite historical figure meeting your other favorite historical figure

[nordleuchten]

Turn Week 2024: Day 6 - Cross-Over/International Kissing Day

I do not have anything to contribute to Cross-Overs … but I thought to capitalize on the 6th being International Kissing Day!

Kiss our dear Henriette twenty times for me.

The Marquis de La Fayette to his wife Adrienne, March 7, 1777.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 1, December 7, 1776–March 30, 1778, Cornell University Press, 1977, p. 27.

Kiss our little Anastasie a million times. Alas, she is all that is left to us. I feel that my once divided fatherly affection is now completely for her; take great care of her.

The Marquis de La Fayette to his wife Adrienne, June 16, 1778

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 2, April 10, 1778–March 20, 1780, Cornell University Press, 1979, p. 79.

Ah, my dear heart, when shall I be close to you? When shall I be able to kiss you a hundred times?

The Marquis de La Fayette to his wife Adrienne, September 13, 1778

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 2, April 10, 1778–March 20, 1780, Cornell University Press, 1979, p. 173.

A thousand and thousand tender kisses for my dear Anastasie, and a big hug for George. Farewell, my love.

The Marquis de La Fayette to his wife Adrienne, May 6, 1780.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 3, April 27, 1780–March 29, 1781, Cornell University Press, 1980, p. 10.

My Most Respectfull and Affectionate Compliments to Mrs. Knox; I am so impudent as to take the liberty to Adress a kiss to Lucy-and a paternal one to My Son. Adieu Yours forever

The Marquis de La Fayette to General Henry Knox, August 18, 1781.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 4, April 1, 1781–December 23, 1781, Cornell University Press, 1981, p. 334.

My Best Respects Wait Upon Mrs. Knox, and Miss Lucy. I most affectionately and fatherly kiss my Son Harry.

The Marquis de La Fayette to General Henry Knox, January 8, 1784.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 5, January 4, 1782‑December 29, 1785, Cornell University Press, 1983, p. 188.

My most affectionate tender Respects wait Upon Mrs Washington—I Beg she will give a kiss for me to the little girls, my friend tub

The Marquis de La Fayette to George Washington, December 21, 1784

“To George Washington from Lafayette, 21 December 1784,” Founders Online, National Archives, https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/04-02-02-0167. [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Confederation Series, vol. 2, 18 July 1784 – 18 May 1785, ed. W. W. Abbot. Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1992, pp. 226–228.]

Chevalier de Caraman presents His Best Respects to Mrs Washington and to You—I kiss Squire tub, and the young ladies.

The Marquis de La Fayette to George Washington, March 19, 1785.

“To George Washington from Lafayette, 19 March 1785,” Founders Online, National Archives, https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/04-02-02-0305. [Original source: The Papers of George Washington, Confederation Series, vol. 2, 18 July 1784 – 18 May 1785, ed. W. W. Abbot. Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1992, pp. 449–451.]

My Best Respects Wait on Mrs. Hamilton. I kiss Phil, and the Young lady. Adieu Your affectionate friend

The Marquis de La Fayette to Alexander Hamilton, April 13, 1785.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 5, January 4, 1782‑December 29, 1785, Cornell University Press, 1983, p. 318.

My Most affectionate Respects Wait upon Mrs. Knox, Miss Lucy, all the family. I kiss my God Son.

The Marquis de La Fayette to General Henry Knox, May 11, 1785.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 5, January 4, 1782‑December 29, 1785, Cornell University Press, 1983, p. 322.

Adieu, my good friend, my most affectionate Respects to Mrs. Knox, and a kiss to Lucy, my Son, and the little one. Your affectionate friend

The Marquis de La Fayette to General Henry Knox, June 12, 1785.

Idzerda Stanley J. et al., editors, Lafayette in the Age of the American Revolution: Selected Letters and Papers, 1776–1790, Volume 5, January 4, 1782‑December 29, 1785, Cornell University Press, 1983, p. 330.

[amarisrosalette]

just for your reminder, mondstadt literally means "moon city". moon being "mond" and city as "stadt". fyi on why i'm talking about this is because i am a literal moon enthusiast and whenever i come across this thought in my head i think "wow. my favoritest city in my favoritest game is really named after my most favoritest thing to look at." and then it just ends up strengthening my love for mondstadt even more

just wondering if there are any mondstadt enthusiasts who are also fellow moon enjoyers? plus points if you're a lore enthusiast because i REALLY wanna know the lore and origin behind mondstadt's name.

[there-is-cromwell]

“the most favorable possible to the faction of O-“

Attacking the protestors had been a grave mistake, you understood that quickly. But by then it had already been too late. The situation escalated quicker than you could have imagined and the angry mob of Paris forced you engage more troops. What was intended to restore the peace in Versailles became an outright battle with shifting loyalties. You fell in that battle, one of the many victims the Revolution would claim. It was a quick and clean death, for that you are thankful. What is probably the worst for a man with your taste for glory – you would end as a footnote to history, a fleeting legacy.

*fin*

Historical Context:

The historical context for this scenario is a prediction that William Short made in a letter to Thomas Jefferson on November 3, 1789:

These passions fermented a day or two and at length forced the Mis. de la fayette to march to Versailles in the manner described in my letter of the 7th. The game now seemed the most favorable possible to the faction of O———. Had the detachment of women, which had been sent off in the morning been attacked, the gardes Francaises and the mob of Paris would have forced the Marquis to engage the gards du corps and Regt. of Flanders. In this conflict he would certainly have fallen, and thus one of their principal obstacles would have been removed. If these women were not attacked, and repulsed, the retreat of the K. Q. and D. seemed inevitable, and thus an open field was left to the ambition of the D. of O. A council was held at Versailles. Most of the counsellors were for the retreat, but the King’s firmness, or if you please his confidence in the Mis. de l. f. turned the balance and saved his Kingdom from an immediate civil war. I can not omit one circumstance. Whilst the question of the retreat was undecided the King who that instant returned from hunting and got to the Chateau a very little time before the arrival of the women, asked if M. de la fa. was coming, and on being answered in the affirmative, took the resolution of remaining at Versailles.

“To Thomas Jefferson from William Short, 3 November 1789,” Founders Online, National Archives, [Original source: The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, vol. 15, 27 March 1789 – 30 November 1789, ed. Julian P. Boyd. Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1958, pp. 530–538.] (09/13/2023)

The “faction of O———” is the group that had formed around the Duc d’Orléans.

I will admit that I do not fully understand if Short refers to an attack on the women when they left Paris or when they already where at Versailles. Based on the participants of this supposed battle and the reaction of the King, I would assume that he meant attacking the protestors before they arrived in Versailles. This prediction works either way though, since the participants and the general situation stays the same one way or another and this is why I used the scenario here as well.

[nordleuchten]

I know that this was intended as a joke, but ever since reading it, I can not stop asking myself: what was La Fayette’s taste in music?

And to be honest, there is not much to be found in his letters, Memoirs and the writings of his family and friends. I searched for the words song/music/tune/melody/piano/singing/voice/concert/opera and there was not really much turning up.

La Fayette wrote to John Adams on February 22, 1786:

(…) However Strange it Appears, if they will Give up the forts, or let us Have the pleasure to Walk into those formidable Works on our Saratoga tune of Yankee doodle.

“To John Adams from the Marquis de Lafayette, 22 February 1786,” Founders Online, National Archives, https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/06-18-02-0091. [Original source: The Adams Papers, Papers of John Adams, vol. 18, December 1785–January 1787, ed. Gregg L. Lint, Sara Martin, C. James Taylor, Sara Georgini, Hobson Woodward, Sara B. Sikes, Amanda M. Norton. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2016, pp. 182–183.] (02/13/2024)

I am pretty sure that I read somewhere else that his son later wrote, that La Fayette liked indeed the popular song “Yankee Doodle” and he even ordered his marching band to strike up the song after the Battle of Yorktown was won.

Jules Germain Cloquet has a passage in his book where he writes:

Whenever an author of his acquaintance had a new dramatic piece represented, Lafayette felt pleasure in going to the theatre with his children. He sometimes attended benefit representations, and always preferred the French national theatre and the Italian opera to any other theatre. He also went to balls or concerts given for the benefit of the poor and of refugees, and made it a point to accept invitations to patriotic banquets (…)

Jules Germain Cloquet, Recollections of the Private Life of General Lafayette, Baldwin and Cradock, London, 1835, p. 251.

Seems like La Fayette most often had a “reason” to go to these sorts of entertainments instead of just enjoying himself. But the opera seems to be something he truly valued. When he was in London as a young man he also attended the Opera and chatted with General Clinton shortly before the performance started. There is also a letter by Emma Willard that, in part, talks about the two of them visiting the opera. Willard wrote to her sister Almira Hart Lincoln Phelps from December 7, 1830:

I must now tell you, how it was that we spent the evening together. It was at the Opera Francais, usually called the Grand Opera. You will remember that he told me he had not been at a theatre since the revolution, and the first time he did go, he would go with me. One evening before had been appointed, and failed from the illness of one of the performers. It was the evening before last that we finally went [December 5]. I expected that the people would have cheered him as he entered. But he was in a citizen's dress, and went with a determination, as it appeared, not to be known.

Emma Willard, Journal and Letters from France and Great-Britain, 1833.

So, opera most likely.

what do you think Lafayette or Hamilton’s favorite music artist/ band would be?

That's a hard one. I'm thinking that Lafayette would love the indie music scene and Hamilton would love the bassy type of music.

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