#forcemasc founder

[dragonstailbutch]

Hey sorry i am trying to like. find examples of what you mean when you talk about mra stuff and (trans)misogyny in forcemasc content and tumblr search has betrayed me once again, can you explain?

(sorry I normally wouldn't ask but I wanna make sure I'm not perpetuating anything!! Also fucking tumblr search!!! it is ridiculous!)

so ive been sitting on this ask for months since ive got it. i want to do it justice and try to take it at face value that its being honest in asking.

The thing is, theres this trend and a weird amount of effort to be like force femme, to be forceful and like its something to fearful of and give in to. But we cant do that, cause all that does is reinforce the idea that being a man is a toxic thing. I saw this post the other day where a transman talked about like, the whole "raised as a weapon" thing, the violence and horror of being a man and raised that way versus how they felt growng into it as a transman. How they wanted to reclaim that phrase or something? i could be misremembering.

But that was never the intent of forcemasc. It wasnt actually about being a dude, literally *forcing* someone who was unwilling into masculinity, none of the posts that i made that started the community (and yes i, a transfem butch woman, started and made this community and some of yall need to get over yourselves) were ever about that, it was intended to be a soft mimic or even a call to forcefemme.

i was all about making it soft and tender for a reason, cause if i didnt i was only reinforcing the toxic masculinity narrative, "men fighting in the mud" "men are dominant and cool" " to be a man is to be forced into masculinity and to be disgusted with the feminine" or whatever. When masculinity isnt about just men, and being butch isnt just being masculine. masculinity should also be sensitivity, not domination. i wanted it to be better, show a better side of what masculinity could be, what being butch is.

Ive spoken before a bit too, about the tags people used and added to forcemasc, and really maybe i was wrong in ever naming it forcemasc. people used and still use tags like autoandrophilia, autoandrophile, androphile, autogynephilia, androphilia, and autogynephile. Ive seen so many people with urls and tags and posts calling themselves transandrobros, literally calling themselves MRAs, as if that was something to be proud of, as if they dont understand that they arent fighting for their and our rights, they're fighting for cis-mens rights by using those names and terms, not transmascs/transmens rights. I can understand ignorance, but weve talked about how the words you use have history, especially those like the tags i mentioned and androphilia and androphobia and others, all of them have roots in deeeeeeeply misogynistic and transphobic people and history.

Literally all of these are awful and are phrases that arent and wont be reclaimed because theyre history is one of pain and hurting trans people, one of coercive 'help', literal forced detransitioning and reinforcement of MRA and terf narrative that men are both good and the worst creature alive and that to be a woman is to be disgusting and the purest thing all at once. That to be a transwoman is sick and we shouldnt be trusted.

Im trying to be very kind, not scream and rage, not because i dont desperately want to, but because if i do, as a butch transwoman, ESPECIALLY cause i claim being butch, people wont listen to me no matter how much of what i say is meaningful. one of the reasons why im doing this NO, instead of in anothr day or two, is that im coming to terms with the fact that the situation will just get qorse, not better without words.

Part of why im still sane is that ive gotten a couple asks here and there about how my posts and creation of the community has helped them and its so wonderful to see that, genuinely so amazing to see people recontextualize and love themselves. its wonderful and im so fucking happy about it.

i personally made this space so i could love myself, who i am as a trans person and my body, and i knew that other people needed and wanted that for themselves too and i wanted to help, share this love with more people. That to be hairy and chubby and masculine and butch was a nice thing. But to me it feels like it was coerced into being a thing for Men. A thing no longer for me or people like me who share the butch culture and name to no longer enjoy cause people unfamiliar with kink and tran history have decided that masculinity and butchness are the exact same thing. Id say people should go be a bear, but you wont learn their culture either and thats cruel and insulting to bears.

We deserve better You deserve better. Stop falling for the lies and hate. We beg you

[remanedur]

forcemasc founder here, yeah its a rabbit hole now ill be honest. like maybe a tenth of it is good? bunch of oof stuff tbh

anyway, love your blog!

-dragonstailbutch

wut da hell did i just do . i just got damn messaged by the CEO of forcemasc

[dragonstailbutch]

I'm like so pissed..

ive seen a lot of people talk about forcemasc here on tumblr, and like i get it, it sucks now, its community is full of MRAs and cryptoterfs

but NO ONE seems to be even like talking about how it was literally stolen from a trans woman, nor how it was radically warped from how it was, which was, yknow, honestly actually good forcemasc

it was feminist and gently 'encouraging' but also showing and making people see how masculinity isnt just about the current patriarchy nor how people need to continually spread/reproduce toxic masculinism.

also like, forcefemme was its own thing and i had mde forcemasc to be different cause it couldnt be forcefem, so YEAH I DIDNT MAKE IT TO BE OVERTLY THE SAME AS FORCEFEM WHICH IS WHY IT WAS ABOUT SOFT FORCEFULNESS AND ENCOURAGING

i dunno, i get it, its not really my community or baby anymore, im just pissed people didnt actually think about the way it was written or kept trying to make it be a direct comparison to forcefemme, hell my own mate did something similar to that and it frustrates me a little, but i understand

i dont know maybe my opinion isnt worth anything anymore cause of how much its changed since i first made it and i havent really participated in it, it just makes me pissed to see other trans women try to talk about it as if they know shit when what theyre actually talking about is what forcemasc became after it left my circle and ive tried to explain it before but no one seems to be listening

its part of why i keep trying to talk about how *I* founded tumblrs forcemasc and what i had wanted it to be and how it got taken from me, like its not even the same thing anymore they basically stole the name i made from the community i created and then spammed it with awful crappy shit and like, what do i do, how do i make a new name thats praxis for what i want?

i dunno probably delete later

[dragonstailbutch]

YOOOOOO 3 people sent money on venmo and i ve been busy the past two days so i didn't check

currently at:

230/350$!

hey guys, you like forcemasc? you love to feel nice about it? you like seeing forcemasc?

thank me for literally making it and trending by sending me money, im poor and need to fix my car and make rent and bills and a plethora of things to be able to bring new content for yall!

in fact im also a blacksmith! did you know? im trying to setup a space to make knives and a bunch of coolshit and be able to take commissions!

help a butch bitch out! be good boys and girls and cashapp or venmo me money, literally anything helps

cashapp- $dragonforgedbutch

venmo- Crow-Forgemaster

[dragonstailbutch]

heya yall! just got back from the doctor, might need more help but haven't seen the bill yet for what we need!

Someone did send me money tho!

so we are at:

165/350$

hey guys, you like forcemasc? you love to feel nice about it? you like seeing forcemasc?

thank me for literally making it and trending by sending me money, im poor and need to fix my car and make rent and bills and a plethora of things to be able to bring new content for yall!

in fact im also a blacksmith! did you know? im trying to setup a space to make knives and a bunch of coolshit and be able to take commissions!

help a butch bitch out! be good boys and girls and cashapp or venmo me money, literally anything helps

cashapp- $dragonforgedbutch

venmo- Crow-Forgemaster