#flowey the human arc

[the-determined-daydream]

*She giggles*

But I always liked the flashy outfits, that was the best part.

Frisk then grins a grin that's just a little too silly.

Frisk: "I do too, I also like the pretty cheerleaders that wear them,"

They then look at Asriel and starts to giggle and blush, and he smiles apprehensively and rolls his eyes with good humor.

Chara: "You're imagining him wearing a cheerleader's outfit, aren't you?"

Frisk: "Yup!" (⁄⁄ω⁄⁄)♡

Asriel lets out a flustered and immature laugh, now blushing too.

Asriel: "YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CONFIRM IT, YOU LITTLE freAK!"

Chara: "This is what I've had to deal with for several years, disgusting isn't it?"

[ask-the-determined-river]

Their squinted eye gives you a look over. He seems to be trying to find the right words.

“I truly envy your position, you know. Asriel got an infinite number of opportunities to make up for crossing his points of no return and we don’t even get one, and you…you never took that plunge. You got out of the Underground for good. You broke the cycle, while Asriel’s ‘best friend’ makes sure there is nothing left within a few months at best.”

FRISK huffs, rubbing beneath the hair bang concealing their left eye.

“I deserve nothing less. It’s a hell of my own creation, a fitting punishment for a mass murderer, but that did not mean others had to suffer for eternity for my mistakes.”

Frisk lets out a sad empathetic sigh at their response.

"You do remember that we were only children when we fell down in the mountain, right? Our small brains weren't fully formed...and it's clear that not every timeline is exactly the same, but it seems like it's a similar story every time...,"

"I don't know about you, but my first monster was Flowey, he was quite scary once he pulled down his smiling mask, he told me 'in this world, it's kill or be killed'...he truly believed that nonsense,"

"I listened to his 'warning', but I never felt the urge to hurt anyone, I just wanted...to play,"

"But I can see now how a different Frisk would believe in those words, it didn't help that everyone was literally trying to murder us, they were very frightening, I understand if it led you to believe they were untrustworthy and just as bad as Flowey said they were,"

"Again, we were just children, in a scary and strange place, being led along by a force we didn't truly understand, with power that allowed us to become desensitized to death... ....and well, your guilt is very telling,"

"I apologize...I'm rambling...I've had a long time to myself to think about these painful things,"

"Tra la la...I just hope you someday find your peace,"

[utalterego]

FAQ/About!

What is UNDERTALE Alter Ego?

UNDERTALE Alter Ego is an UNDERTALE au that seeks to take characters, concepts and places and lay them out in a formula similar to the last three games of the Persona series!

What's a Persona Series?

The Persona Series is a set of games made by Atlus, starring high school students happening upon shadow worlds that reflect society and awakening to the special power of persona- a physical manifestation of their inner self, to defeat an oncoming threat.

Who's in it?

The story follows Frisk- a recently orphaned sixteen year old, moving in with their foster family: The Dreemurrs (Toriel, Asgore, Asriel and Chara). Frisk's party consists of their two new foster siblings as well as Clover and Kanako from UNDERTALE Yellow as well as our interpretations of the other 5 human SOULs. Outside of the party there's Flowey: The party's guide through Mt. Ebott. Outside of the shadow world there are the characters Frisk will meet and befriend: Sans, Papyrus, Undyne Alphys, Mettaton, Ceroba, Starlo, Martlet and Dalv. Assisting Frisk will be an enigmatic man who resides over The Dark Room: W.D Gaster and his assistant- Goner kid. Other UT and UTY Monsters will be featured in the background.

Hold on- Ebott? Like the mountain?

Yep! Mt. Ebott is no longer the prison for the monsters who lost the war so long ago- It is now the epicentre of many dark and mysterious magical beings and people who seek to utilise them. The Human and Monster war did not end in their banishment- it instead ended peacefully with a treaty formed. Monsters have lived on the surface peacefully since.

Will Deltarune or Persona characters cameo?

For deltarune, it's likely they will not as the game is not finished! We don't wanna mess with stuff we don't really know. For the Persona characters, they may appear in the bg- Though all of the shadows/personas frisk obtains are from the series (bar their starting one.)

What will you use from UT and Persona?

The characters will all pretty much be from UNDERTALE with any original ones seeking to fit into that. As well as that, the locations and dynamics between characters will be very reminiscent of UNDERTALE's- All of the floors of Ebott will very very very closely resemble the locales from UNDERTALE! The battle style, plot structure, social links and- of course, the ability to use a Persona will be adapted from the series. The AU will take plenty from Persona 3, 4 and 5- Though tonally we're looking more at a Persona 4 here.

So what is this? Will it be a game? an animated series? a complicated board game your family won't play with you?

No, No and... Not yet. The AU will be presented in the form of a... Webcomic! There'll be the main comic with all the plot and junk as well as side Social Link comics where Frisk befriends various other people mentioned prior! We're also considering opening in-character asks during breaks :D

Who joins when? What happens?! Cocoapowder real?! Who's the ___ arcana?!?

For most of those I'd have to say to be patient and wait for the comic to roll out- We'll try to keep up monthly updates (or more frequent if need be). Though I can confirm cocoapowder real.

When's it coming out? I crave a date!

Well, I'm flattered but we're taken. Secondly, it'll be released in arcs, we can't put a solid deadline or time frame on it but we're working pretty hard to get as much done as possible- again, patience :D

Will Jack Frost be in the Comic?

... yes.

[carlyraejepsans]

UTY!Flowey, "lore" and how to criticize a fan prequel without being an insufferable pedantic, a guide by Biscia.

(for my muskless fellows, here's a transcript of my thread on Undertale Yellow that I posted on Twitter. enjoy!)

There's this really frustrating attitude in fan spaces i like to call "lorepilling" where people are substantially more concerned with encyclopedic knowledge of details & minutiae (so called "lore") in place of full-text thematic/narrative analysis as if the two are mutually interchangeable.

It's especially common in large franchises and story heavy videogames, and it's like... Are You Treating This Piece Of Art Like A Trivia Battle Or Are You Treating It Like A Story

This is coming from a person who is also deeply autistic about UTDR trivia btw, I'm just saying that when it comes to transformative *stories*, depending on the impact it has on character, themes, and narrative structure... lore is expendable.

Ultimately this is why most of the UTY criticism i see (on twitter specifically) falls flat. What does it matter if "lore" means Flowey couldn't chronologically be there when the justice human fell, as long as the game narratively justified his presence in the story in a compelling way?

The real criticism, in the end, is that it didn't.

He's a plot central, main cast character from the canon returning in a cast of mostly OCs and what does he have to show for it? An admittedly sick boss battle in 1/3 endings, sure but... not much else. He has no significant "presence" in the story, no tie, interaction, or even just... an opinion on the rest of the cast. Which is a huge miss when Flowey's meta role is to be Thee completionist player mirror. He's the OG lorepilled UT fan! He's an opinionated little shit!

This isn't to say that UTY *didn't* engage w/ his metanarrative. When me and @a-town-called-hometown first started playing the game (we were both skeptical of Flowey's inclusion), he immediately said "It would be really cool if they made it so this has been going on for a while and Clover has no idea". Which is precisely what the game did in the neutral ending, and what I will openly say was the most well written & well executed part of this game's story...

...a part we almost didn't see, because the pacifist ending disappointed us so much we lost all will to replay.

To put it in the words of my friend Mel @clowwwnbytes, there's a deafening hollowness to UTY Flowey's motivations & core principles where his guilt towards Chara—and resulting black and white thinking—should be. You're telling me Mr Kill-or-be-killed, "sacrificing yourself to do the right thing is stupid", would stand there after 1000s of failed attempts to make Clover survive, look on as they make the same mistake Asriel he did, and fondly call them friend? Cue the guitar, roll the credits?

He would lose it. Oh my god he would lose his goddamn mind, he would throw the nastiest temper tantrum in the world. Are you serious? How dare you. How DARE you. All this effort, all my patience, and you just let yourself DIE for a few worthless idiots? I should've let you ROT!

*clears throat* sorry got a bit too into character. as i was saying.

I can understand a UT prequel wanting to distance itself from the canon Chara storyline in order to form its own identity, but then turning around and choosing Insane About Chara The Character™ for a sidekick is... far from optimal. In the end, Flowey comes across as underutilized and inconsistent, with a whole lot of wasted potential.

This is an issue I have with UTY's character writing (original AND returning) and story structure as a whole. Lots of inconsistent character arcs, tonal dissonance, overuse of situational sadness... it's an amateurish work, after all, and you can feel it. There's no shame in that.

(Though, there ARE some issues that i take more seriously with its writing, especially when it comes to its two main female characters—Ceroba's lack of narrative agency and depth borders on misogynistic writing imo. But that's a topic for another day)

Over all, UTY was an incredible piece of collaborative transformative work, with gorgeous art and a genuinely incredible OST, which... would have benefited from more experienced writers. But hey, you can only ever learn by trying!

For all it could've been a better story, it certainly did not fail to entertain: both when my friend was playing it, and after in our many discussions of its writing, its faults and how it could've been improved (royal scientist!ceroba character fix you will always be famous. to ME!)

I'm sure this project served as an incredible source of experience for the developers: as individual creators AND as a team. I look forward to their future projects!

but also if i have to see another person say UTY is better than Undertale i might turn into The Jonker.

end of the essay! really couldn't stand any of the pedantic ""criticism"" I'd seen of this fangame so far, so i had to say my piece as someone more versed in analysis. happy to elaborate on anything in the replies or in my inbox!

[candychocolate]

i think the thing that makes people mischaracterize and completely miss the point of chara is that theyre written to be two very different things concurrently that dont really mesh together.

from what we know concretely about chara as a character, they were a very mentally ill child and complicated person who simultaneously hurt and helped people around them, who held both a lot of love and hate in their heart. they are fairly vague but also have specific character traits such as liking chocolate and filling up water glasses to the brim to maximize efficiency. they take speaking patterns from toriel and an interest in gardening from asgore. if you believe in the narrachara theory, they even have a character arc that changes depending on the route you take. they are inarguably a character who haunts the narrative due to their decisions in life having lead to tragedy that shapes the very plot of the game inextricably; and arguably a character that haunts the narrative and shapes the story much more literally in being a conscious force and companion that accompanies our journey.

at the same time, chara isnt treated as a character at all and is instead a meta-narrative device meant to act as an in-universe player stand-in. in this way chara isnt actually a person with character traits, but a vehicle for toby to provide commentary about the people who play video games. they are a concept that represents the state of thoughtless exp grinding. in the no mercy route their main purpose is to be a reflection of you and your mindset, even more directly than flowey. the reason theyre named after you is because, for a number of aspects in the game, they are supposed to be you; with no notable separation like there is with frisk.

this problem also heavily applies to frisk, for who there is an effort to separate their identity from yours at the end of the pacifist route but who still ends up with no real character traits of their own. people compensate for this by using black-and-white thinking; which results both in assigning frisk and chara a sort of "good-and-evil" dichotomy leading to their early fan interpretations, and in thinking that frisk and chara can only be either fully fleshed out characters or mindless player inserts leading to people favouring option one and basically ignoring the player as a concept except to occasionally use it as a generic big bad.

i think toby prioritized meta-textual implications over actual textual characterization for the human characters in undertale. this left chara as a character feeling unclear, unfocused, and incongruent due to them trying to be several things at once with no real through-line; and frisk as a character feeling practically non-existent outside of being a vessel. there are effectively two different charas in undertale, the character and the plot device, which makes it hard to talk about them as one consistent whole. i think this is why in tobys second game hes been putting such a focus on kris as a character and their separation from the player, as to improve on what he didnt properly touch on in undertale.

[charafansmile]

Where are people getting the idea that chara was a liar from. At no point in the no mercy route do they lie to us, except when they take our soul. and while I guess you could interpret their plan with asriel as them willfully manipulating him, does it not make more sense that they fully believe their plan will work and are not trying to hurt him intentionally?

Like yes we know they weren't the greatest person, but they fully voice their opinions on us in their speech and I honestly think them being truthful about their intentions with the plan and asriel going along with it because they've convinced him without lying is more interesting.

Like...their nine years old, twelve max, and even if they were concealing their plan to kill all of humanity were are people getting the idea they actively lied to asriel about the purposes of the plan? He even says "six right?" Meaning he knew enough to be aware of what their goal was. Why does he always have to be being lied to about it, when in game he is aware of what the plan entailed.

Chara refers to us as our partner, why is it so hard to think that that's what asriel In their plan was to them? Why does he have to be their subordinate or unwilling participant? Flowey himself may think of himself that way, but going by how he behaves with us in no mercy fully believing we are working together until the end, I don't think that's the case. Them being partners is vital to how killing him In the no mercy route reads as a betrayal. It's why he's so afraid, because before chara was his sibling, they were his best friend, and in this case his partner in crime. And the culmination of his arc I that route is him realizing how mistaken he was ,because he's NOT charas partner anymore, he's just another npc.

[tendersugars]

like every character is equally important on their own merits but also they're equally important because they're important to the other character's arcs. flowey is incredibly important for alphys' character but alphys' character is just as important to flowey's. sans' character wouldn't be what it is without toriel's. toriel's wouldn't be the same without chara and all the human children who came after. mettaton wouldn't be mettaton without alphys around. alphys probably wouldn't be around at all without undyne. there isn't a "most important" character because a strong story is made up of cogs that all need to be there for it to turn. even the smallest peice is important if you want to complete a puzzle.

[the-afterparty-au]

[✨*ABOUT✨]

The Afterparty AU is briefly summarized as taking place in a party within the void, lasting forever after a genocide route that was never undone. After many months of nothing but wind, our first fallen human realized the world was not going to be reverted by the player, and they stayed true to their word of Erasure. Chara however, simply getting bored decides to play a game framed as a experiment & brings back all the monsters you failed to befriend in a Genocide route back for a encore. Allowing everyone to reside in the void, a space between files & between deltarune and UNDERTALE. The amount of monsters that are happy about this is uncertain, but all of them are certainly questioning literally everything that brought them here.  (Lightly Inspired by these fanworks so, Thanks to @garbagechocolate, @djsmell & @jazze-bee for accidentally inspiring me to make a whole AU)

By; Modphys (They/them) (Main Blog & Art Blog: @kates-cave & @ryzies-ralley)  Modtaton (He/they) (Main Blog + Art Blog: @spiltmilk34 & @spoiledcheese34 | Instagram ) Papymod (She/they/he) (Main Blog + Art Blog: @theartistthatcantraw & @fail3dexp3rim3nt) Also thanking this for the text boxes haha

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Scarring, Blood, Death, themes of unreality trauma & gore is around, Everyone was brought back from the dead. Additional CW for mentions Genocide considering this au is after one. 

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[charleemoon]

you'll never see 'em again: what does it mean to be a lost soul?

disorganized sans thoughts and a (probably already incorrect) deconstruction of sans' genocide route dialogue

so to begin with, the lost soul states in the asriel fight seemingly revert everyone to before they met you. before your kindness completed their personal arcs, i.e. their motivations when fighting you (see prev essay, the narrative of undertale paragraph)

undyne believes humans to be her enemy, and wants to kill you. alphys is insecure and buried in guilt. papyrus wants to capture you and believes doing so will make him loved. toriel wants to stop you from leaving. asgore believes he has to kill you for the greater good.

but sans... he has nothing to revert to. like i said, he is the only major (honestly, even minor characters get arcs) character to be completely unchanged from the start to the end of the game. so instead, we see some other, unspoken part of him.

just give up. i did.

why even try?

you'll never see 'em again.

it's not an innovative take to see that sans deals with some kind of depression. it's difficult to say what effect this lost soul state is having on him. is he reverting to a way he felt before? are his true feelings being put on display?

these feelings, disregarding deltarune theories, seem to stem from his hopelessness to the complete lack of control he has over his own life. sans is aware that machinations of the world, timelines and universe, are malleable, and under the control of another person. we know he figured this out more than once when resets were under flowey's control, although we cannot be certain how much of that he even remembers. deja vu is common with resets, and that's not exclusive to him. perhaps, due to how detached he can be, how easily he seems to evade the player, that he was able to do the same under flowey's reign of the timelines? he may have had more accessible oppurnity to uncover information, and recall bits of that information past later resets, or at least some of the feelings associated with them. again, it's all speculation at this point. but it's a great chance to build a further understanding of his character and motivations.

our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting... until suddenly, everything ends.

i don't know WHO he's talking about when he says our and it's constantly driving me insane. as for canon characters, most anyone's best bets would be papyrus or alphys. but during any reset deja vu, papyrus shows nothing more than confusion. and to be honest, i think neither characters are very tight-lipped, so it's hard to imagine they wouldn't say anything about it, when sans is actively calling you out on it at times. when it comes to disputably canon... i mean, yeah. it has to be gaster. but assuming that won't help us in any way, and sans is confusing enough on his own. we don't need a guy who doesn't even have a canon appearance in the mix.

interestingly enough, he doesn't claim himself and his previous experience with resets as his basis for how he knows this. it's specifically thanks to these reports, whatever they may be. but something's still off.

that's your fault, isn't it?

sans has had time to do previous research with some unknown second party (...gaster) and see the anomalies in multiple timelines. even if it's your FIRST and only run of undertale, he still says this. why is that?

...so maybe we do need weird non-canon guy in the mix to help with this. if we assume these reports were done while he was still in ... existence, this had to be a decent amount of time before the human. i think maybe he ran these reports back when flowey was in control of the timelines, which would explain the multiple timelines and resets. maybe he was never able to figure out who held that power (or remember it once he did), and once he meets someone who demonstrates it so obviously, he assumes it was you to begin with. this way, even with only one run ever done, it still makes sense. a bunch of timelines starting and stopping, until your arrival, where everything ends. genocidal eradication until chara's claim on your power ends the world itself, and every possible timeline. this also further explains his seeming "apathy" towards the neutral routes. he's known for a while that there is no real threat to his world with the existence of resets, and while it is most likely crushing and horrifying to witness and know,

you can't understand how this feels. knowing that one day, without any warning... It's all going to be reset.

there's no point to him standing in your way, with how weak he is, and knowing that you are not the threat that will end the world.

look. i gave up trying to go back a long time ago. and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either.

ah, the Line. you're inclined to believe he wants to go back home, to the surface (although we already know most monsters living underground have never seen the surface, so i guess we should've assumed that he's not talking about that), but he's talking about some other something. go back to what? a time, or a place? it's uncertain. maybe he wants to go back to before flowey was created, when assumedly, no one had enough determination to control the timeline, not since chara's death. we have no way of knowing how old the skelebros are; hell, we don't even know where they came from. they weren't there during the war, weren't among the settlers of snowdin. they just,

...showed up one day and... ... asserted themselves.

recently enough for the shopkeeper to know what it was like before they were there. so honestly, he can't be talking about pre-flowey, since that must've happened... oh, well... when you try to figure out how much time passed between asriel's death, to gaster's experiments, to the skelebros appearance... you know what. don't even get me started on that. either way, he's become completely crushed by the existence of resets. he's got no faith in a good future for himself or anyone he loves.

cause even if we do... we'll just end up right back here, without any memory of it, right? to be blunt... it makes it kind of hard to give it my all.... or is that just a poor excuse for being lazy...? seeing what comes next... i can't afford not to care anymore.

oh you know what. this actually explains my previous point. *charlieception flashback*

"...you'll reset ... you have the ability to. in genocide, chara robs that of you ... somehow, he knows this."

he knows this because he saw it basically written into fate. he's known since whenever he first saw those reports, and once he meets you in judgement hall, knows that YOU are that world-ending force. he can't bring himself to fight or care (about what YOU do, this does not mean he is unaffected or emotionless about the deaths of his loved ones, it does not mean this powerlessness does not weigh on him so deeply he suffers from a pervading hopeless depression), because he knows it's meaningless. he does so this once, because he knows this is the only time what he does matters. he is the wall between an unstoppable force and the end of all things.

i always thought the anomaly was doing all this cause they were unhappy. and when they got what they wanted, they would stop all this.

again, sans talks about the anomaly, the person who has been resetting and beginning timelines over and over. and again, his accusation of you being said anomaly makes no sense on a first route, maybe not even a second. he talks about a multitude of timelines, and this supports my belief that this is flowey he's talking about. and i think this works with what he's saying too. flowey is resetting and playing with the lives of monsters because he is unhappy. without a soul, he is unable to feel compassion, unable to feel remorse for his actions. he is a parallel to the player's curiosity. can you love something enough to wish its death? if you feel the need to search, it must be because there's something you are looking to find. when you are finally satisfied, you'll leave it all alone, won't you? will you? [also i think we can pretty much explicitly assume he's talking about flowey here, thanks to one very... revealing piece of neutral route dialogue. you know the one.]

yeah, you're the type or person who won't EVER be happy. you'll keep consuming timelines over and over, until... well.

of course, in genocide, there is no real difference between us and flowey. it doesn't matter either way, we've assimilated into this world, taken his role, and in turn, his consequences. to destroy so vividly, sans grows to understand there IS no satisfaction here. there is nothing you are looking to fulfill, only the end, only what comes next. because you're curious as to what might happen.

you'll never give up, even if there's, uh... absolutely NO benefit to persevering whatsoever. if i can make that clear. no matter what, you'll just keep going. not out of any desire for good or evil... but just because you think you can. and because you "can"... ...you "have to."

he clearly states it in his last few words, his understanding of it all. the hopelessness to persist against something that refuses to quit, that sees your life as a game, a challenge to overcome, a new ending to discover. you can, so you have to. he does nothing to stop you any other time, under the weight of knowing it's meaningless. and the one time he knows he might be able to enact change, it is a skittering dance of prey, the most he can hope for is that you get bored, and leave. a game of who gets exhausted first, who can last longer. and one of you, has endless time.

what does any of this mean? i don't know, really. i'm not making any new strides here.

what does it mean for sans, what he believes as a lost soul? in what ways did you really change him, if at all?

i think it's fate. control over your own destiny. an inkling of hope, to be more than a pawn. when reverted to nothing but what he was, he urges you to give up, to know you have no control over something seemingly bigger and stronger than you. why are you trying so hard? why do you think you can save everyone? as weak as you are, you stand in the way of the end of the world, and hope it will be enough.

maybe there's more of ourselves in sans than we think. maybe we are more alike than we thought. and maybe you are the wringing hope in his side that he can be more than the endless suffering at a crueler hand, or the twisting knife, the end of all things.

The Angel... The One Who Has Seen The Surface... They will return. And the underground will go empty.

one way or another, you will finally end the cycle. like a prayer, or an omen, with wings or a scythe, you will save him from hopelessness and give him faith to stand. to believe he can be something greater in the face of god. what is your choice, your reflection, in which this mercy forms? which way does the mirror reflect?

when you look at him, look at yourself, despite it all, is it still you?

[nyriatamare]

Hi, you know that GZtale is no longer owned by golzy, yeah it's owned by you now, and you can decide the story and doing whatever you want with that AU,

but yeah I still want to share my theory about GZtale idk if this is cringe or doesn't make sense, I don't know if you actually read a my theory that was like 3 paragraph

Remember gztale was being cancelled, so I was having some theory about GZtale, after bloodshed arc, it was caretaker arc, I was thinking caretaker arc is just like amnesis arc but Ganz doesn't do a same mistake, so papyrus it's not mad to ganz and if you see the cover arc concept ganz was walking with Luke and Jean, and papyrus it's like helping some Royal guard member, so frisk is finally meet her brother in this arc and maybe pacifist will happen in here but because ganz is not felt depressed, Mel is pointless now, and began to Die/Dissapered I got the theory about Mel die if ganz happy from repost comic on YT idk it's canon or not but the style is like original from golzy, but because he don't wanna die he is use RESET, since ganz is absorb determination pill maybe he could use a reset, and To be continued to animosity arc....

In animosity arc

It's just like same like bloodshed arc, the difference is ganz is not holding back he doesn't want to protect human anymore, he choose to run with undyene than run to ruin, I got this theory from fake screen shot that golzy made, then ganz is not scared to fight undyene or his brother until he is get a lot of scar after a battle fighting them, then he is run to ruins and get some medicine by toriel, in the ruins he is meet Mel again, and asking why he is use reset abilities, then ganz is trying to kill Mel just like in fake screen shot I saw, after that ganz is feels hopeless after what he did and everything reset back again because his dad try to fix his mistake, he is use his soul to reset and dissapered from all timelines, and to be continued to Determination Arc....

In determination arc

In this arc it's like bloodshed + caretaker

Ganz it's not break half papyrus soul, but he is claim as a criminal for protection Jean

Frisk is try to run from ruins, and she is finally made a friend with a monster and other monster try to make other believe that human it's not dangerous, and all the monster is believe, except papyrus.

papyrus is meet flower and they are work together to catch frisk, because it's papyrus is the head of Royal guard so he is can't disappoint his king, so he is go to alphy to ask her to make a trap, but she is doesn't agree because human is not actually dangerous, but actually she is hide frisk from papyrus, but frisk is accidentlly go to secret alphy lab just like the original Game story, and meet papyrus in the last corridor, and papyrus became a paylor, and he is finally catch frisk, then papyrus bring frisk to asgore, but the other monster is came and help frisk because frisk is not dangerous human, while other monster is fighting asgore and papyrus, flowey is trying to trap everyone just like the original game and use their power to became asriel dreemur, and then pacifiapacifist route is happening in here, in the ending Mel is said goodbye to ganz since ganz is no longer depressed.

And GZtale comic is over here...

I don't know this is was real story or not

This is just my theory

This is a good theory! But unfortunately not how the story was intended to end :O When Golzy made the comic it was mostly, on the fly to say the least. Golzy didn't write a whole paragraph of scripts just went with it. I myself don't know the true ending of Gztale, but ever since given the ownership, I took creativity to make my own ending. To fit the current canon and to give more of a bittersweet ending than an all perfect good ending. Firstly, Mel was made to be a 'Nightmare Catcher' a creature that lives inside of every monster. The idea came from my own au UnderNC (UnderNightmareCatcher) and I asked Golzy to make an NC for Ganz since I made one for my own Sans, Sensy at the time. Hence the existence of Melancholy Ganz. Mel's original purpose was to be the embodiment of Ganz's depression. Basically a creature made to make Ganz depressed constantly. And the only way for Ganz to remove him from his soul, was to rip his soul in half. There was a lot of artwork that Golzy made that was 'for fun' and wasn't intended on being canon most of the time. Some art was just symbolism and some where when Golzy was bored and wanted to draw angst and sadness :') So by the end of it, it's up to interpretations.

[golden-explosions-main]

*She chuckles at Frisk's flirting*

I appreciate the flattery, and while I have a soft spot for Frisk's, you're a bit young for me dear. But, there are always spots in my cult should you wish to join.

Though speaking on that, it's overly ambitious, but I plan to have a majority of humanity under me so that I can show them that monsters are more than they think.

Frisk: "Ambitious- yes, but it's still a very good idea, I believe you can do it,"

"Annnnd I'm spoken for, so when I flirt with others these days, I never mean anything serious about it, it's just innocent compliments, heheh,"

Chara: "I wonder how your partner feels about it,"

Frisk: "My very attractive partner very maturely knows how I am, so they aren't too bothered by it, they only get jealous when other people make a move,"

Chara: "How do you feel about Frisk's partner, Asriel?"

Asriel: "They seem adequate."

Frisk: "Heheh, I think they seem more than adequate,"

Asriel: "Yeah?"

Frisk: "Yeah!"

[the-determined-daydream]

Yeah, things are finally starting to look up for me.

*She chuckles to herself again*

Well, I'm ready to head out when you guys are. I have a lot of things to get done for my time here, and the sooner I start on them the better.

Everyone automatically looks at Frisk, who is still finishing their dessert, and they chuckle sheepishly.

Frisk: "Just give me a sec and I'll be ready,"

Asriel: "Don't eat it too fast, you'll get a brain freeze,"

Chara: "Oh relax, they'll be fine, you know Frisk has only one speed, and it's slow,"

Frisk: "Slow and steady, give me time and I'll be ready," they then laugh "ha, I rhymed! I wasn't even trying,"

The group briefly chats, and soon enough, Frisk is finished up and looks content.

Frisk: "Alright! Let's get your life restarted, Schara,"

Asriel: "Hell yeah,"

Chara: "Hm, yes, what they said,"

[lilybug-02]

Just realised the CT Wierd Route sets up a kinda depressing but interesting scenario. Chara is dead (by their own volition), and Asriel likely would have to leave QC's with their body (parallels). I can see Asriel getting a *kinda* similar arc to Flowey after this, alongside maybe Kris becoming pretty jaded. After all, the price for their freedom was a human soul. Snowgrave is stopped, but Berdly never gets better, Noelle and Kris are still scared of each other, the class still feels a little emptier each day. And, when they graduate and prepare to move for Uni or apprenticeships, the class photo just seems like someone is missing.

Damn, that is one hell of a hard pill to swallow. THE PARALLELS THOUGH.

Chara was really hoping you'd leave on your own accord, but when you didn't... their soul just couldn't handle it and it shattered :(. And the parallel of Asriel having to carry out Chara- gosh dang thats so sad. He'd probably spiral into himself after having yet another one of his friends die (Dess and Chara), feeling it was his fault again. And Kris would have to live with the guilt of knowing they inadvertently killed Asriel's friend and the one person to know what they were going through.

And Frisk...they got the news the day after.

[mysteriousbp]

Second Chance AU Masterpost 1

Canon posts

Original posts:

Second Chance AU concept

Kanako life in the true lab

The broken cries of a innocent child

Some mistakes can't be fix...

Kanako Kitsune

Don’t listen to Clover…

MEANWHILE

Kept Alive concept (one of the arcs of the Second Chance AU.)

YOU GOT MAIL

Friends reunited

Extract explanation

Forgotten face...

Holding to the past

Baby Kanako design

Why Chujin didn’t absorb the soul

True Lab dinner

Chujin's ice magic

My hero

Chujin and Kanako winter coat

Undertale Cyan lore (one of the arcs of the Second Chance AU.)

The best of us

Teaching Axis morals

Human souls surface designs

ASKS:

The coffins are empty... Except one...

Chujin and the souls

Chujin and the souls during Omega

Thank you for opening my eyes

Memories and dreams

Those two really need therapy...

Information about the dreams and Lila routes

After Omega

Orphanage picture and human names revealed

Monster families

Alphys DT talk with her children

Kanako's fusion powers

Control over the body

Souls backtracking

Reunited part 1 / part 2

Fallen monsters and save points

Limbo void time explain

Kanako used in political discussions

Kanako is now a BIG SHOT

Kanako updated moves

Lila reunites with Endogeny

Lila and Tom in the void

Undertale Orange (one of the arcs of the Second Chance AU.) QC

Kanako's Cleithrophobia and Trypanophobia. With a side of mom comfort.

Kanako's scar

Melody during Chujin's experiments

Clover and Chara playing cards

Melody kill count and scar explain

Dalv and Melody on the cliff

Frisk memories of the others and just being depresed

Political discussion explain

Frisk after flawed pacifist phone call

Flowey is a jerk

Hope and Sunny's deaths

Gerson and Undyne after Hope and Sunny came back

Hope x Sunny confirm

Water under the bridge

Frisk meets Kanako

Asriel second chance

Parent hangouts and family trees

Clover learning how to be a monster

Friend groups

Where's Clover?

Human souls and the lost souls

Clover with Sadie and GK

Calling mom/dad

Alphys getting the kids into cosplay and Kissy Kissy Mew Mew

Snowdrake's father and Mettaton AU lore

Frisk first death

Clover is back

Kanako school life

Tom reunites with QC

Sunny with her family. Melody apology to Kanako. And reason to climb the mountain

Flawed pacifist dream

Melody with Dalv

The kids with the internet and where is the mountain

Is this what they would have wanted?

Adult Kanako design

Why the humans forgot about the monsters

How Mad Mew Mew's powers affect the fusions

Lila, Frisk and Asriel with Toriel. Also Lila's death

Flawed pacifist Clover vs Asgore

Kanako opinion on save points

Kanako with stress

Afraid of Clover

GK teen desigh and Tom and Hope adult designs

How many runs Frisk did

Gerson apology to Hope

Does Clover mature mentally

How the monster and human relationship is going

Sunny trying Papyrus's spaghetti

Southern Kanako

The souls after Uty geno reset

Frisk in the coffin room

Clover's body

Panic Asriel

[carlyraejepsans]

I don't know how you can look at sans' pacifist arc which is all about letting himself care about the future again and rekindling that ember of hope he never truly lost in the shape of this tiny, sensational, cosmically terrifying human kid in order to finally move on from his past life and fully live the life he has NOW with his new friends, trusting said kid with his story, letting them know it's okay (sans with a lot of people you don't recognize. you and sans with all of your friends. it doesn't matter, he looks happy)

...and then go "i think post pacifist frisk would hate him".

that adds nothing to the characters and it's so needlessly mean spirited it becomes straight up cheap. hate him for what? not keeping his promise in full? letting them die? this kid fought a god and won, frisk doesn't give a crap about dying! the only times they react to death in any capacity in canon it's:

1) someone else's death (which they caused)

2) a way to make their opponent feel bad and stop fighting

3) after flowey takes their SAVE powers.

this kid gets beaten to death by asgore an uncountable number of times and they still trot over to gerson in the epilogue to be like "is he a goat? is he immortal? okay but what if he adopted me, could he adopt me? i'm very adoptable you know". be real now.

[cheddarchandelure]

Zenith Martlet might be my favorite video game boss but the fight is still absolutely devastating! Let me explain.

Throughout the pacifist route of Undertale Yellow (and neutral) Clover and Martlet form a very special bond, a bond with some maternal undertones. Hell, undertones is a stretch because at one point Martlet calls Clover her kiddo. So yeah, these bitches are found family and its great, I love them :). And while they may become separated at the end of the game, Martlet still cares very deeply for Clover.

Part of what makes their relationship bittersweet is how Clover is implied to have an unhappy homelife at best, and an abusive one at worst. Even before Flowey puts Clover on the alternative path, Clover wants to stay with Toriel. Its clear that Clover greatly desires a mother figure in their life, even before meeting Martlet. But once they do meet Martlet, she gets to act as their mother figure (and maybe also Ceroba but this ain't about her and even then the mother-child bond is stronger with Martlet and Clover) Even if for only a little bit, Clover finally gets a mother figure in their life.

And then we get to the genocide route. The once sweet Clover becomes corrupted by their twisted sense of """justice""" and seeks to eliminate all in their path. Not even Martlet can see the good in Clover. Her character arc about learning to trust and love a human despite Chujin's advice has gone the complete opposite direction. Now her arc is about Chujin's advice being Validated and seeking to stop the human threat. Clover has become so far gone that they are willing to pull a gun on Martlet, and Martlet's desire for humanity to be good has all but faded, and now she must put aside part of her good-natured self to stop Clover.

And thats whats so devastating, these two people who should have loved eachother, and been what the other needed, now want eachother dead. And to me, that is fucking heartbreaking.

Oh you thought I was done? Nope! I have one more thing about the Zenith fight I wanna point out, because from a story perspective, Martlet should have won.

Think about it, up to this point, the genocide route has been a story about evil prevailing. Clover has gone on an absolutel rampage, murdering innocent monsters left and right. But in the darkest hour the hero of the story, Martlet, gains incredible power to defeat the villian once and for all, to have good triumph over evil! A classic trope.

But thats not what happens, because this isn't a story about good triumphing over evil. The whole point of the genocide route is having Clover finally break free from fate but at the cost of literally everyone else and canon itself. The genocide route is a story of evil triumphing over good and plunging monsterkind into despair. So to have Martlet undergo a heroic transformation, to become the zenith of monsterkind, and still lose after everything all because this is isn't a story about heroes winning fucking devastates me.

I'm not sure if I managed to get my thoughts out in a intelligible manner but I hope you enjoyed my ramblings nonetheless, and who knows, maybe I helped you appreciate Zenith Martlet (and Martlet in general) some more!