#five nights at freddy's theory

[fivenightsatfridays]

Those who followed me from the Isshocon FNAF panel I'm so sorry lol I promise I am writing my theory/timeline T_T take this William I drew as an apology

[amphiptere-art]

I woke up. My brain remember this again so I need to put it down somewhere.

Little theory about the DCA. So. Everyone knows there's this weird moon / daycare section near parts and service. It's what you go into to get the security pass. So you can fix, and help Freddy after Moon kidnaps him. They're literally is this giant hallway full of fake mini daycares and tons of moon merch and posters.

Not a spic of sun. At least if we're not looking at the sunny rolling hills and rainbows. I'll go make sure to have a double check. But from my memory there's nothing sun related in that tunnel. The only thing related to Sun in those tunnels. Is the fact that it seems to be going off of the day themes of the daycare. There's only that one specific room that contains the nightmare Marion plush That seems to be specifically themed towards starry night.

So I had a question when I was playing through the section. I was technically terrified of the endows the entire time. And also having much fun breaking their AI by stepping on boxes. But. I asked myself why there would be so much moon merch Specifically in this fake daycare.

Think about it. Why have this sunny day daycare, But only have moon merch around? It's themed like it's supposed to be during the day. There's only little things that are based around night. But there's not an image of sun anywhere. Just moon. And I started to question to myself. Was moon first?

Now Moon being first could be a lot of things. It could just be moon being the original AI that was split. It could just be that moon was the first AI made before sun. It could be moon was just the one they were merchandising first, before wacky things happened with his design and model. But I find it interesting that moon might have been first. At least in merchandising. But perhaps other places.

Imagine what pieces we have under that connotation. Because I think right now. The natural thought is that moon was second. Whether you are going off of the theater theory that moon was that secret evil personality, and sun was the base. Or perhaps you're just going off of the fact that maybe Moon only came from the virus, and so he's second in that scenario too.

But like imagine this idea that moon was the original and sun wasn't. Moon was the original theater person and sun was only brought up for the daycare. Imagine if it was moon that was taken over by the virus and sun was the one pushed out of the way as like the unneeded emotions or something. Being a baby AI in those moments.

It's an interesting twist. Either way you put it. Moon has been around longer. Or at least he was supposed to. He was probably the one manufactured as a little endo in those mini daycare hallways. He was probably the one down there. Not Sun. Sun came after. Or at least wasn't present when they were making those hallways and merch. It's an interesting little add-on to remember.

[redfoxdude07]

Okay, so like

I've been sorta looking back on old fnaf recently and realized, "Hey, we never got an answer to if that was wires or hair!"

Like, is there proof it was just wires, or did Game Theory just say they were, so we all went with it? Did the Supreme guide mention it? Did any books mention it???

So I want y'alls opinions...

[ilhamiman]

FNAF Security Breach Theory (Monty's hatred towards G. Freddy and missing G. Bonnie)

Yes, I know, it's pretty late but it took me awhile to figure out (and listening to theories in YouTube) what's going on between Monty and G. Freddy. This is my take of theory of Monty towards not just G. Freddy but with G. Bonnie so no bashing me. Ok, here's what I thought.

I personally think that Monty was a completely different animatronic before he joined the Glamrock band like the OG Foxy to the OG trio. Monty was a different character and had his own personal joint so he live separately from the gang and he's fully aware of the Glamrocks but there was one point he got jealous of the Glamrocks (mainly G. Freddy) as his own golf spot wasn't getting many fans as they have. Monty eventually despise of G. Freddy cause of G. Freddy being such nice guy and very popular with the kids. Not just that, Monty craved to be on the spotlight on stage like the Glamrocks have so he looked at the Glamrocks to see who's the weakest among them and he chose G. Bonnie cause he not just see him as the weakest but also very close to G. Freddy; he wanted to give G. Freddy as much misery as he can. So, Monty watched G. Bonnie's movement and plan out how to get rid of him without alerting the STAFF bots and security guard. He lured G. Bonnie in behind his bowling alley and attacked him. Yes, I'm aware in Security Breach, G. Bonnie last seen was in Monty's Golf area but in Ruin DLC, G. Bonnie's body was found behind of G. Bonnie's bowling alley with a broken bowling bowl. I think by the time Monty started doing this, Vanny was already present and must have corrupted the system when G. Bonnie was in Monty's golf course and didn't updated his movement from there to his bowling alley. Btw, a bit sidetrack here, I heard some people theorized it was Roxy who attacked G. Bonnie cause of the green paint on the body of G. Bonnie but it's very unlikely cause she doesn't have any motivation against G. Bonnie, plus her nails may be green but if she attacked him, her nails must have chipped instead a green stain on G. Bonnie's destroyed body. So this theory is a bust, I still think it's Monty who attacked G. Bonnie cause he's the only green character and it's likely his green paint on him got on G. Bonnie's body when he attacked him. Monty's old hands must have been damaged so hard so he got a new different hands when he was in the repair room. After he done dealing with G. Bonnie, the people in Freddy Enterprise were discussing how to replace the missing G. Bonnie and they decided to have Monty as his replacement and Monty nearly got his dream on spot light but he still want to replace G. Freddy but can't touch him cause like I said G. Freddy is very popular animatronic and he's basically untouchable so he simply have to deal with it. Also, the gondola ride in Ruin DLC, before Monty become a Glamrock member, that he was "more humble and looked up at G. Bonnie" thing, yeah, I call that BS cause that's most likely a cover up story from the Freddy Enterprise of the missing G. Bonnie. Anyway, that's my theory on Monty's hatred to G. Freddy and him attacked G. Bonnie. I know I'm late in this but I don't care. Hope you enjoy reading this.

[afloofwithmultipleinterests]

So i think i found something...

[omghispook]

FNaF: Don't you remember what you saw? An Analysis of FNaF 4's Plushies

Unfortunately for us, the topic of what the Bite Victim could've "seen" depends on what the Fredbear plush is, so I can't simply discuss one without trying to convince you on the other.

Simply put, if the Fredbear plush is in the Bite Victim's imagination, then there's no proof he actually saw anything horrific, and thus he probably just saw something innocent and mistook it for a terrifying event that traumatized him. However, if the Fredbear plush is, say, a spirit, which is evidently omniscient and would have no reason to lie to the Bite Victim about the dangers of the restaurant, then it's clear the Bite Victim does have good reason to be afraid.

I am of the belief that the Bite Victim saw the MCI, and that the Fredbear plush is the Fredbear child, Cassidy.

First, let's talk about whether the plush's dialogue is in the kid's head, or if it's coming from a spirit of some kind. Unfortunately, the idea that it's imaginary is kind of unfalsifiable, isn't it? I mean, anything can be imagined. I can sit here and rattle off examples of things the plush does that it's unlikely the kid would imagine - and I will do that - but there's nothing that's impossible for a child's overactive paranoid imagination to come up with.

So instead of asking whether it's possible for the kid to imagine these things, I say we should ask, if Scott wanted to convey that this was not the kid's imagination, what could he have done?

The most famous thing that the Fredbear plush does that seems to be impossible for an imaginary friend is guess where the Foxy Bro is hiding. Now, his actual guess is just saying "Over there" after you've walked a predetermined number of footsteps, not like, "Behind the TV" or anything, so the line of dialogue can occur anywhere in the house. However, it's still a confident guess.

The other counterargument is that the Bite Victim could have simply known where his older brother was hiding, since they're brothers, and they're bound to know each other quite well. But then, why not tell the brother "Hey, I know you're behind the TV"? Why even walk over there in the first place? Why would it be a jumpscare if the character knew exactly what was going to happen?

Three days before the party, the Bite Victim is seen hiding under a table and crying, while the Fredbear plush is trying to convince him to get up and run towards the exit. All the kid wants to do is sit there and cry, and it takes a couple of attempts for the Fredbear plush to actually persuade the Bite Victim to get up and run towards the exit.

In this moment, it appears that the two are clearly separate entities, with separate wills, and separate personalities.

Then, in that same mini-game, the Bite Victim is forced to walk past two shadows on the wall, which he's afraid of.

The Fredbear plush's reaction to the shadows vs the Fredbear employee seems to indicate a more nuanced understanding than the Bite Victim has, or could reasonably imagine a separate entity to have. With the Fredbear employee, the Fredbear plush knows with certainty that he's a danger, more so than the Bite Victim seems to understand, and he needs to get away, NOW. But with the shadows, it's a different story - the Fredbear plush is empathetic to his fears, but doesn't share them. The Fredbear plush doesn't consider the shadows a danger as much as something that the Bite Victim needs to overcome for the sake of his own safety from the actual threat.

This is, to me, the biggest instance of them being separated.

Now, of course, all of these things can be imagined. The Bite Victim is mentally capable of imagining an imaginary friend plushie that predicts where the older brother is with a vague "Over there," that tells him he needs to be brave and leave the restaurant, and that doesn't share his fears of the shadows on the wall.

However, if Scott wanted to convey to us that this was more than just an imaginary friend, what exactly could he have done? Guessing where a character is hiding, having to convince our main character to do something that he doesn't want to, and not sharing the more paranoid of his fears definitely seems like the way to go to make it seem unlikely, but again, not impossible, because the main version of ImaginaryPlush is unfalsifiable.

But we can get closer.

The plushies as a whole play an integral part in FNaF 4.

They appear next to the Bite Victim as he dies, and disappear one by one as the beige-texted entity says their iconic speech. A speech that includes the line, "We are still your friends."

The only other time these plushies appear is in the beginning, when the Bite Victim says, of them, "These are my friends."

So it seems that when the entity I believe to be the Puppet says, "We are still your friends," the "we" is referring to the plushies, but more so than that, both times, they're not really talking about the plushies. The missing children were - and still are - the Bite Victim's friends. When the Bite Victim says "These are my friends," he's talking literally about how Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy are possessed by his friends, who were wrongfully murdered in 1983.

This is relevant because it tells us that not only is the Fredbear plush representing the Fazbear Entertainment character Fredbear, but it's specifically representing Fredbear from FNaF 1.

The plushies as a group represent the FNaF 1 animatronics. There's Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, and Fredbear, but no Spring Bonnie, just like FNaF 1, Foxy is missing his head, (which could tie into him being "out of order" in FNaF 1,) and Fredbear can, well, teleport.

So these plushies are representing the specific animatronics that the missing children were stuffed into, and the children themselves.

Ergo, the Fredbear plush would represent Cassidy, as opposed to just being a vessel for any character to talk through who just so happens to look like Fredbear. This makes it extremely likely that the Fredbear plush is Cassidy, since it would be strange otherwise, especially if Cassidy were still alive.

The teleportation in particular is damning to me. Famously, in the first FNaF, Golden Freddy could teleport through doors. And the Fredbear plush seems to be able to do the same thing, moving from room to room and not always being in the same place in the different mini-games where you roam the house. Either there's a dozen of them hidden around town, or he's following you, and the other parallels between these plushies and the FNaF 1 animatronics support the teleportation theory at least being the intention in 4.

And if that's the case, and the Bite Victim is simply imagining that the Fredbear plush moves around, then doesn't that require him to be predicting the future? Predicting that Cassidy will teleport circa '93?

The fact that it can teleport is not only a hint towards it being Cassidy - and a weirdly-placed one if CassidyPlush isn't true - but it narrows out some options like Charlie. We've never seen any other ghost simply decide to inhabit a specific object to talk to a person, except arguably the Logbook, but that's... complicated.

In fact:

This helpful theory image created by Reddit user, uh, me, shows a pattern with Golden Freddy's appearance: he always looks like the current state the other robots are in, despite being a ghost.

When all the animatronics are in repair in FNaF 1, so is Fredbear, yet when the Fazbear band is withered and broken down in FNaF 2, so is Fredbear. And he even appears as a Funtime endoskeleton in SL. What's happening here is probably not that the physical Fredbear suit that Cassidy's body is stuffed into is actually in better condition in '93 than in '87. It's more likely that the Fredbear ghost has the ability to adapt to the state of the other animatronics.

And, thusly, it would make sense that if the Fredbear ghost were then to appear admits a bunch of plushies of those animatronics, he would (or at least could) appear as a plushie.

To summarize thus far:

Because of Foxy being "out of order," the lack of Spring Bonnie, and Fredbear's ability to teleport, the FNaF 4 plushies don't just represent the Fazbear Entertainment characters, but specifically the animatronics from FNaF 1.

Because of the "We are still your friends" / "These are my friends" connection, it is likely that the plushies represent other spirits, friends of the Bite Victim, i.e. the MCI kids.

Fredbear's ability to teleport is either something that the kid somehow predicts in 1983, or is a sign that it's an actual ghost, specifically Cassidy, using this ability we know she has.

And all of that makes this even more damning:

In the Logbook, Cassidy says "Does he still talk to you?" next to a picture of the Fredbear plush.

This page has been used by Team ImaginaryPlush in two major ways. First, the page outright asks Michael to write about if he had a stuffed animal he took with him everywhere, or an imaginary friend. But to me, this reads as a misdirect; Fazbear Entertainment has one idea of what happened, but Cassidy knows the truth.

Second, if Cassidy were the Fredbear plush, why would she need to ask? Well, it's a rhetorical question, as are most of the questions in the Logbook. "The party was for you" makes it clear she knows who she's talking to, and thus probably knows the answers to questions like "Do you have dreams?" or "Do you remember your name?"

Now, I haven't quite figured out the Logbook, but to me it's pretty clear this doesn't prove ImaginaryPlush.

However, it does know that Cassidy knew that the Fredbear plush spoke to the Bite Victim. There are two ways she could know this, one of which I think is the case:

She is the Fredbear plush.

She was alive and the Bite Victim's friend when the plush started speaking to him, and he told her about it.

I'll give you 72 hours to guess which one I think is true.

The problem with the second possibility is the evidence we discussed before that the plushies are at least metaphorically the Bite Victim's friends / the MCI victims, so... why would the Bite Victim have a toy that represents those friends if they're still alive? Hell, why would the line "We are still your friends?" even need to be said if the kids are all still alive? Just, "Even though you're dying, we're not going to stop being your friend?" That would be... strange, to say the least.

There's a number of other issues I take with MCI85, and the StitchlineGamers are going to be real angry with me for this entire post, but that's not what I want to discuss.

It sort of goes without saying that the plushies representing the missing children kind of implies they're already missing, and I've already provided a bunch of evidence that that's the case. So how would one of said children know about the plushies speaking to the Bite Victim if it weren't the one speaking itself?

Now that I've proven CassidyPlush to the best of my ability, let's switch back to what this post was supposed to be about: what the Bite Victim saw. Yeah, that's right, that entire explanation of Cassidy being the Fredbear plush was a side-tangent. We're doomed.

Given what we've already discussed, the answer is obvious: he saw the MCI, the June 26th incident, the murder of the spirits that call themselves his friends in the final cutscene represented by plushies.

This warning, "Don't you remember what you saw?" and "You know what will happen if he catches you," is real, and it's coming from a spirit who was murdered by an employee in a spring-lock costume. Truly, it isn't just a misunderstanding about something innocent he saw in the Shadows, since there would be no reason to lie.

Different theorists have used "process of elimination" on this topic to come to every individual conclusion, to a point where it sort of just depends on which order you eliminate the possibilities, but to me the fact that it prompted a fear of the spring-lock suits is what narrows it down the most. Charlie's death wouldn't have done that. And even something like a spring-lock failure wouldn't cause Cassidy to tell him it was genuinely something to worry about.

No. The Bite Victim saw the MCI. Now, the fact that he saw it at Freddy's let the bulk of the game takes place at Fredbear's may be a little weird of an assumption, but that's what FNaF 4 is all about.

I'll end on this note:

Why was the Bite Victim so scared to be in a back room?

We know he's extra scared because we have no control of him, he's screaming to be let out, he collapses in fear with no "Tomorrow is another day" to be heard, and this is the only time in the game he speaks beyond "These are my friends."

Whether there's actually a child stuffed into that spring-lock suit is a debate for another day, but could it be that the child is afraid to be locked in a back room, because the thing that he saw that scarred him happened in a back room?

Take care, ~Spook

[theflatpancakes]

I just thought of something cool fnaf related

What if

Instead of Mike/Micheal Afton (in my theories, he's a Schmidt/Emily/Henry's son), being Glamrock Freddy, like some people, assumed...

He was Glamrock Bonnie?

Explanation below

I'm watching the new gtlive video about the tally marks, and the foxy grid thing gave me this idea because the tally marks are in Bonnie Bowl. Mike is well known to have been scooped, and if you look at how Glamrock Bonnie was destroyed, he was destroyed in a way that looks almost as if he got scooped, but then scratched up..

Idk just something I thought of

Lemme know what y'all think about the theory

[dragbunart]

I'm wokring on a 'Vanessa Afton' Theory for a video. and wanted to do art for it Along with a fic for ya'll enjoy

Vanessa stretched, another long night of Patrolling the Pizza Plex. It felt so weird to work for Fazbear Entertainment. She had always expected to... As her siblings left this world she almost thought she'd be forced to inherit it.

She had promised to bring the photo to the... Thing claiming to be her father in the basement. He wanted proof she was 'His little Vanny'. Her father's nickname for her. She remembered the little nicknames he had come up for them. Mike or Mikey... Abby for Elizabeth. Cassie for Cassidy. Calling them his little circus collectivly..

Vanessa sighed staring at the photo she selected. It was before... Everything. Before the Divorce... And before the... The Bite.

Micheal never forgave himself before his death. She remembered him coming home, looking more awful than the night before claiming Cassidy was trying to reach him.

"I SAW it. The old Fredbear suit. It kept appearing in front of me, Ness. Cassidy was trying to tell me something. It's HER. I know it it kept saying so."

Father never forgave him either. Claiming everything was Micheal's fault. the Divorce, his STUPID prank that took Cassidy's life, for not watching Elizabeth. He claimed she had walked in on gas leaking out from Baby... But they never found her body.

He went further into his work until he disappeared, leaving instructions for Micheal to go check on something.

"I'll be right back Ness. Then we can go back to normal and cut dad out of our lifes."

But when he came back he seemed... Off. Calling her 'Vanny' like Elizabeth would occasionally. Or going out late at night looking for their father. Rarely talking to her at all before the fires.

Eventually they took his life. Leaving Vanessa all alone.

"You... You can put us back together. If you're my little Vanny, you can bring the Afton's together."

[sonicscrewdriver-hippogriff]

Five Nights at Freddy's time placement

So, I usually don't make movie theories or point out info about them (I like watching other people do it on Youtube tho) but I have been watching videos about the FNAF movie and everyone is arguing over when the movie takes place and they all find clues pointing in the direction of the 1990s but - this scene exists?

This is from when Mike is at the unemployment office (before he meets "Steve Raglan") and at the top left corner of the security camera footage it says 4/6/2000 - I am not super familiar with security cameras but that looks like an American date, right? The 6th of April, in the year 2000? It even has the exact time underneath (4:13 p.m.), so it makes sense, right?

I literally went to make this specific screenshot because I swear people keep saying that it take place in the 90s, but I caught this scene already at the cinema and wondered if I misremembered - but I didn't and it's there.

So - mystery solved, I guess?

[a-fnaf-adaptation]

The Definitive 5th kid for me & why

First of all almost all agree that in the MCI there where five kids who went missing, the fifth kid can't be neither Charlie nor "Crying child" (if you disagree with this you can straight up discard all what I will say) and that said fifth kid becomes Golden Freddy.

So now we're all in the same page I will discuss who I think personally and definitely this 5th kid is in a physical appearance aspect specifically IN THE GAMES

Why this kid?

The Golden Freddy kid was specifically cast and styled to line up with the face of the kid we see in Ultimate Custom Night (don´t have the source for this but I heard that the actor even got his hair dyed to blond specially for the role so this would clearly make it key aspect for the character he plays), the face we see in UCN is likely TOYSHK/Vengeful spirit, TOYSHK/Vengeful spirit is most likely the Golden Freddy kid and the Golden Freddy kid looks like this in the movie closing a perfect circle. The Gender of both also lines up, he could also still be named Cassidy, is a gender neutral name after all but that's besides the point

So this is in my opinion the definitive depiction of the Golden Freddy kid in the games, not Andrew and not the Cassidy from the books, and speaking of both...

Art used Credits, click here

Why not Andrew?

Do I really need to elaborate more? Fine, I will. Why whoever decided Andrew's description didn't lined it up with the UCN face when it was so easy to do so?? And what bothers me the most, why is people associating movie Golden Freddy kid with Andrew when is so hard to ignore that their looks are complete opposites? Is it really just because they both boys™? The UCN face is more debatable because the photo is highly edited I guess, but the movie kid is in our faces, it doesn't make sense and I think is driving me crazy why to this conclusion

Why not books Cassidy?

There are many physical appearances for Cassidy in the books, I specially find very annoying there are two so different from each other in the novel trilogy which just evidence that they just really didn't cared that much there, and one of them (which is also the most popular for some reason) is not even comfirmed to be Cassidy, she is also female unlike male in the games and movie.

[fivenightsatfridays]

Working on a bunch of cheebs because I truly want to draw every animatronic that I can wrap my head around... I'm doing this instead of writing my theory lmao

[randomcartoonbro]

Steven Universe Fans 🤝 FNAF Fans

[omsrandom]

Aight, I have a wild FNAF Theory about Security Breach. RUIN DLC Spoilers ahead!

Yknow how we don't know the Crying Child's name? The one who got his head bit off by Fredbear? And how his ghost shares Golden Freddy/Fredbear with Cassidy?

Well, with the new DLC, we're introduced to Cassie, a friend of Gregory's.

I think it's a bit sus that a game, mainly about Freddy trying to help a child escape death and thus is considered the "golden star", has two children in it, who are close. Two children, who are both obsessed with the Freddy's franchise.

Two children, one of who's name is very similar to another named character in the series.

In the same series where we theorized Michael Afton and Mike Schmidt were the same person, and somehow it was true.

I think Cassie and Cassidy are the same. It would make sense as why, when she puts on the VANNI mask, she can hear what Gregory heard during Security Breach.

Cassidy was always vengeful, and most likely realized, like Charlette, that Michael wasn't William and went after him, dragging the Crying Child with her. I think it was confirmed that Freddy has parts from the other versions in him, which would make sense if you consider this:

Gregory wasn't real.

He was the ghost of the Crying Child that the animatronics (and Vanessa, given the VR game) could see due to the old parts (Roxy getting some of the Foxys and Monty getting Bonnie's after they found him scrapped). It explains why he's so tiny, but also why he can easily go into Freddy's holding area without much issue.

Cassidy was busy trying to find William, and once she realized CC/Gregory was in danger, she tried to go after him.

This theory is a mess, but if we try to detangle it, it does clue in on a lot of details:

Cassidy and Roxy never met!

They didn't, but as stated above, if, like Freddy, they used parts from the older animatronics, Roxy was probably Foxy! We have no idea who Cassidy's favorite animatronic was, so going on a limb and saying Freddy first, Foxy second wouldn't be a stretch. Since Foxy is now Roxy, it again makes sense that since Freddy is largely seen as a traitor to the other animatronics and out of the picture, Roxy is now the favorite.

Gregory betrays Cassie in the end!

Yes, he does. With this theory, it's CC lashing out, taking over Fredbear and leaving her alone to the hunt for William. CC is tired, and with the Mimic, he knows if it gets out, she'll keep them there until the world ends. So, he chooses peace, and disappears. To Cassidy, who shared a suit with him, it would no doubt feel like the elevator had given out. He had just betrayed her in the worst way possible to a dead 7 year old.

I probably have more to add but for now, I'm at, like, a 95% on believing this theory.

[brooklynstrangler]

On Help Wanted 2, the Canon Order of Deaths, and How Changing Beliefs Works

Recently, one of Help Wanted 2's endings turned the fandom against itself once again by putting six dead children (the MCI + Charlie), particularly their graves, in some numerical order. The order begins with Susie, who we know to have been "the first" at least in the MCI. Charlie, who most people in the fandom still believe died before the MCI, is listed last.

This order of deaths would seem to be making reference to the already-existing-yet-controversial theory that Charlie's death takes place after the MCI, something for which I personally have always thought there was already sufficient evidence. No other explanation, to my knowledge, has been proposed for what the order could be, other than randomness (unlikely, given Susie) or the correct order of MCI victims, but the incorrect order of murders (unfounded). In other words, the most intuitive reading seems to point to Charlie dying after the MCI, but there is a unanimous cry from the fandom saying "But that's impossible! Look at Henry's insanity ending speech. Look at Into the Pit. Look at FNaF 4."

I've been in this position before, so I want to talk to the people who are currently in that position in regards to Charlie-post-MCI.

There are two parts to switching beliefs, if you believe your belief is the only possible one. You have to see evidence of the other belief, of course, but you also -- and this is an underrated step -- must understand the other side's explanations for the evidence for the thing you currently believe.

When people from the other side try to explain things, like, for instance, Henry's insanity speech, your instinct will likely be to dismiss them because they're on That Side and you're on This Side, and this is how the debate works. But not anymore. You have to ask yourself "If I were to believe that Charlie died after the MCI, what would I believe this line to mean?" and be accepting or open-minded of the answers that are provided to you.

This might sound condescending but I tend to explain things really slowly and often people still don't get them. I try.

Basically, you have to actually want to understand the other side -- maybe not necessarily believe what you want to believe, but have a desire to see both perspectives -- because if you react with hostility to a viewpoint that challenges yours, you're going to be stuck in this dilemma forever. And you won't be able to solve that sweet sweet FNaF lore, which is definitely the only place this post's advice applies.

[afloofwithmultipleinterests]

I think i know what's in the box.

So... as of recently, Dawko did another interview with scott cawthon, a Scott Cawthon interview 2.0 here To celebrate the tenth anniversary of FNAF, Scott decided to... 'reveal' what was in the box. It seems like it was a gag, right? something to dangle infront of the fandom and then SNATCH it away, yeah? ... i don't think so. you see... i decided to take a closer listen to it... and the point where scott is cut off with a 'connection lost', there IS indeed still SOMETHING being said there. I repeated it over and over, replaying it and replaying it... when i recognized that the last part may have very well been saying 'Bear'. after i realized that... my mind jumped to FAZBEAR.

listened to it again.... it would fit. syllables and all. FAZBEAR is in that box... meaning that the company of Fazbear.... William afton, Henry, Charolette Emily, The crying child, and whoever else has ever existed in the fnaf universe.... doesn't exist. Nothing of that universe is real despite us seeing it... The dead children aren't dead. The serial killer who killed them is purely a vessel for us to use as entertainment upon false slaughtered souls. I think that scott cawthon is being beyond meta.. is pulling a twin peaks, an Undertale. If Fazbear is inside of the box... metaphorically, something in that box wants outside of the box. something in that box wants to be apart of OUR WORLD because it's... 'real'. Something is trying to connect with us from the digital plane.. trying to grab our attention and implant itself into our minds because it knows its merely an idea. a creation, and the only way for it to survive is to be apart of our memories.

[journalofmycrazymind]

What is there is two Fredbear and Spring Bonnie like a pair a Fredbear's dinner and a pair at Freddy's pizza. From what we cold tell from the cartoon in FNAF 4 the main animatronics a Freddy's (Freddy, Bonnie, Foxy, and Chica[plus the puppet since I bleave that it was induced to the public at a Freddy's] ) are introduced to the public as Fredbear's friends. Plus it would make more since for no one to bat an eye at someone wearing and interacting with kids in a Spring Bonnie suit if there was one already there and employees are expected to wear it and interreact with the kids at times. This is proven in fnaf 3's audio training cassettes you listen to. (See night 2 phone call) Phone guy in the training tape says this tape is for performer/entertainer of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza not Fazbear's Family Dinner yet he still talks about spring lock suits. I know you can just wave that off that this is later and Fazbear's shut down but they are using it a Freddy's but that doesn't make since to me. Why would they continue to use two character's that now have a bad reputation to them due to the incident (most likely the bit of 67) that cause Fazbear's to shut down. Plus in that same tape he talks about how the spring locks in animatronic mode follows sound cues meaning that they might be more advance then the ones at Fazbear's since the only time we see the spring locks off stage there are when they are in suit mode in the fnaf 4 minigames.