#everything about Buck and Tommy was handled so poorly that episode

[littlerosetrove]

If I may add, as you've pointed out in some ways, that Buck was honestly OOC in the restaurant scene in particular on purpose just to make the whole breakup stuff ""make sense.""

Repeating here, but in regards to Buck:

I don't believe for a second Buck doesn't know what the Kinsey Scale is at this point.

I don't believe that after six fucking months of dating, Buck doesn't know that his boyfriend is gay. Like 100% gay.

In relation to the previous point, I don't believe, therefore, Buck would be asking his Very Gay Boyfriend, that he knows is gay, "are you really not attracted to women, even a little bit?" Be soooo for real.

Buck Just Said their six month anniversary is special, so you CANNOT convince me he didn't get Tommy a gift. Please.

I don't believe Buck would be acting so weird about a random woman flirting with him. As OP said, at worst he'd unintentionally flirt back, but if the writers were writing Buck realistically, he'd tell the woman "That's nice, but I'm here with my boyfriend and it's our anniversary. You have a nice night."

Everything about the breakup was bullshit.

i started thinking about 8x06 and i got mad again. I'm literally never not going to be mad about that fuckery. god help me from the restaurant scene with the “yOu'Re AlLOwEd tO LoOK” bullshit, Buck being flustered because a woman is flirting with him SINCE WHEN??? at worst he would have flirted back (accidentally or on purpose), at best he would have said no can do, I'm celebrating my 6 month anniversary with my boyfriend here. “I don't know what the Kinsey scale is” HE WOULD NOT FUCKING SAY THAT or the fact that he doesn't know his boyfriend is gay!!! after 6 months!!! and the worst is they wrote this scene only as a set up for Tommy to talk about his past of dating women for the Dramatic Reveal

which sucks even worse because the fact is that Tommy's ex fiance could've been literally any random woman from the greater LA county area and it would have made so much more sense without retconning Abby's and Tommy's canon from s1 & s2!!!!! her boyfriend broke up with her because he was an asswipe who couldn't handle that she was caring for her sick mother, not because he was gay!!!! Tommy sat at a bar with his colleagues and said he doesn't date because women can't handle his job because he was gay and closeted, not fucking engaged!!!!!

you want Buck freaking out because his boyfriend hurt people because he was living a lie, fine. you want to put him in a room with Josh and have him wax poetic about glee, fine. both of these things could happen without the mutual ex connection. literally bringing some nonsense fanon theory into your show... for what, exactly? we know you didn't plan it that way since the beginning, so it doesn't make you look smart. we know you stole the idea from the fandom, so it doesn't make you look good. it served no purpose and ruined already established satisfying canon facts. was it to have Maddie make a homophobic joke about a woman she never even met turning men gay? after her brother had explicitly told her he still likes women? you wanted that biphobic joke in there? congrats, you ruined Maddie's character too in this scene. well done.

fuckass tim minear when i catch you....

[lemotmo]

Some of the questions that you all get 😅😅. Bless all of you who have to deal with this stuff.

Q. I don't understand why Oliver feels like he can't talk about Tommy/Lou? He's been brought up to him a few times and you can see that he clearly wants to talk about him but won't let himself. It's part of Buck's story. He can and should talk about him. Ryan being present shouldn't have mattered. Tommy is part of Buck's story and Oliver should get to talk about him.

A. Oliver didn't edit his response because Ryan was there. Oliver didn't want or need to talk about Tommy. The Tommy topic has been handled pretty consistently by both Tim and Oliver in recent interviews. They're talking AROUND him instead of ABOUT him. And they both quickly shifted their focus to other things. Tim made it about Eddie, for obvious reasons, and Oliver shifted to talking about how poorly Buck is handling the Gerard situation because I think that's what's ultimately going to lead to them parting ways. That's clearly a deliberate choice. They're not talking about him because there's nothing to say. He isn't the point of anything happening within the storyline. They have to talk around him because the plot point that Tommy was serving has not yet been resolved on screen. But I'm guessing his part is finished and closed by the end of episode 2 at the latest. If he was sticking around for any length of time both Oliver and Tim could have said that we would see their relationship continue to grow. That's a very simple answer to give. It doesn't require any additional details but would at least let the audience know that their relationship was going to get some kind of focus. Instead they both just said it was still at the early stages and no real time has passed from last season to this season. Then Oliver flat out said they don't yet know what a relationship 'could or would' look like. But Ryan telling the interviewer that Buck and Eddie will be leaning on each other is the biggest tell. If the Tommy relationship was a priority of any kind they would be having Buck lean on him not Eddie.

I think the golf photos we saw are a Buck/Eddie/Tommy outing and they just happen to run into Gerard. If that is the case then that scene is going to be used exactly like all of Tommy's scenes last season were used. To highlight the difference in the way Eddie and Tommy talk to, listen to, react to and regard Buck. If the Eddie story is going where most people, including many jurnos, now think it is they need Tommy out of the way fairly quickly and the Gerard plot is the easiest way to do that. And, in spite of what his fans are currently shouting, makes perfect sense given Tommy's canon history. He's going to tell Buck to keep his mouth shut, his head down and ignore everything. Buck is not going to be capable of doing that, this is something you all would know if you had bothered to watch any of Buck's history. Even if the golf thing turns out to be something different I still think Gerard will be the reason they split. If Buddie is the plan, and that looks increasingly likely, they need Eddie and Buck in some kind of story position before Christopher returns. Given everything that has happened between Eddie and Christopher he's not going to want to keep secrets from him. So even if they aren't ready for Buddie yet they need Eddie in position to open up to Christopher about what's changed for him while he's been away. They don't have time or frankly need to drag out the Tommy part. They need that plot point closed to move forward with the bigger story.

Thank you Nonny! As always, I appreciate you dropping these asks in my inbox.

This post kinda speaks for itself, doesn't it. All of this makes perfect sense when we step back and look at all the things that have been said about BT, Buck and Eddie so far.

Whether or not the Gerrard-situation will lead to their break up, I do expect a break up to occur pretty early on as well. It will be used to propel Buck's story forward, while simultaniously influencing Eddie's story as well.

As for the details? Pffff... who knows? We'll just have to tune in, watch and hope they'll do this story justice. 🤞🤞🤞

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[lover-of-mine]

honestly I think Oliver and Ryan know buddie is happening because how they promoted buddie in s7 was really loud and completely unnecessary. Like they did not have to talk about how they read buddie fanfic and send it to each other or watch fan vids or talk about how if buddie happens it needs to be organically. Like to me that all read as stuff to get the audience prepped for buddie.

No but like that's literally my favorite conspiracy theory about the season because the thing is, when you look at the way Fox handle things and the way that ABC handles things with Oliver and Ryan, just the fact that they let Ryan say the things that he did in the beginning of the promotion of season 7 shows shows that there is some type of plan because they are very careful about the possible queerbaiting allegations and no one wants to be that guy, and Ryan was in PR jail, we saw that, we noticed that, he wasn't promoting not even during season 5 when it would have made sense for him to be doing interviews. And then all of a sudden they let him run wild. And the thing is everything Ryan said during the vertigo storyine kind of make it seems that he's not as unmedia trained as we assumed at the time that he was saying shit like the I love you to the core or the fanfic thing, because if his answers about that situation we're very trained, yk? They were very controlled, it was like he was being fed what to say and he knew how to say it believably. Because they ended up in a situation where they had to use Ryan to justify the storyline because it didn't land and they were also trying to milk the good publicity from Buck coming out. But now there's a lot going on. Personally I think that they were told the story was going to go some way during season 7 but they were expecting Tommy to be poorly received the same way that every other love interest they tried to add for both Buck or Eddie but Tommy ended up being well received so Buck kind of ended up pushed to the background because they didn't know how to use him for himself and that's why Oliver looked that frustrated about the situation. Because I don't even think oh he hates Lou, I don't think he does, but he ended up side character in his own story, yk? Everything became about the relationship when it was supposed to be about Buck's identity and then both was completely pushed the background because he had no storyline besides the bisexuality and things got completely out of control. I think he was frustrated because I think he was told that buddie was going to happen or they were going to get both Buck and Eddie out of the closet and that they were going to pull the trigger on them somehow during season 7 and that timeline was expended because they ended up making the buddie getting together timeline working around every episode they had at the time that 704 aired. I think they had like 20 something episodes confirmed at the time that 704 aired and by the time that they realize that they couldn't realistically get them both out of the closet and that the reaction to Buck was too good for them too not get the most out of Eddie coming out too everything happened like that.

Because the thing is they wouldn't have left Ryan and Oliver say things like the way Oliver was talking about a possible wedding in season 10 or the fanfic thing or the crying in the shower about edits thing or the I love you to the core thing or closer than ever thing because they know how that sounds and no one wants to be the queerbaity. They don't want to be the media that's being accused of baiting and and that does make me think that Oliver and Ryan were told something. And considering the way that they switched the plot line mid production, we know that Tommy was supposed to be for Eddie and then they realize that it couldn't go first for whatever reason, but it seems like the locker room was filmed at a point both of them thought that they were coming out. There is no heterosexual explanation for the way they are acting you, like, there something about the way they were acting in 701 and the way that they were acting during the promotion of the season in the beginning that makes me think that they were told we're pulling the triggered this season and you guys are getting together in the next one. Because there's even the fact that Oliver and Ryan look more comfortable in each other's spaces, like we got situations like that that one moment during the the premiere that Oliver didn't even flinch when Ryan opened his shirt and that's legit something two actors who are aware they're gonna do more casual touching are work on, to make it look believable. But that's a conspiracy theory, like we'll never know that for sure. It's just that the way the promotion was happening and the way that Oliver and Ryan we're talking, the way that Buck and Eddie were acting and everything around the situation, I think that they were told that something's going to happen. Because it would also explain why all Ryan just switched back to talking about buddie all of the fucking time after the vertigo thing, he put Buck in the same space as Shannon, went back to using gender neutral language, that make it seem like he's being fed what you say. My theory is mostly around the way that Ryan handled the promotion up until 705 and then for 707 to 710 and how he switched back after this the season ended. Because the season ended and he was like doing promotion about a bunch of stuff, and I get that he was promoting a movie but like he's in a lot of it and considering the fact that he hadn't done promotion since Eddie begins, this is kind of sus. I think they were told something and I think that they have to follow through this time because a renewal for season 9 is not going to happen until next year, so they're not going to end up in the same situation they did with the early renewal changing the way that the season goes. Because if they get renewed, they will be renewed like March and by that time they have to have most of the season done so they're not going to gamble on the possibility of season 9 and something is about to happen. But that's just a theory, a game theory.

Ps: I legit just used the voice to text on my phone to answer this because my thoughts were too fast for my typing skills, so this is very rambly but I hope it makes some sense.