#every day i inch closer to just quoting abraham joshua heschel at people

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I think there’s also this refusal to admit that *Imogen* is projecting her own feelings about religion and the gods onto FCG and the coin, and that she’s in the wrong for doing so. Like, FCG isn’t somehow victimizing her by having a belief system that doesn’t line up with hers, its his idealism and faith rubbing up against Imogen’s cynicism, her resentment towards the gods for not helping her personally, and her pretty rigid way of looking at the world. (Which is why they have one of the most interesting dynamics in the party, but I digress.)

So here's the thing: I don't think Imogen actually has strong feelings about the gods either way! I think this is falsely claimed by people trying to recast Imogen's consideration of the Ruby Vanguard as a good and righteous thing rather than something messy and complicated but at no point does she outright position herself against the gods. The harshest statement I can find from her is that they don't mean anything to her, which is ultimately neutral. I think this is a distinction that trips a lot of people up when discussing theology in Exandria in general; I think many people, especially those who perhaps have left a strict religion, do not have room in their conception of this fantasy world for people like Imogen, or Percy, who have little personal use for the gods and no religious practice, but don't hold any deep resentment either. The most I've seen from her regarding the gods and the coin is irritation, and like...Imogen is irritable about most things.

I think, if anything, Imogen, who has always been one of the most if not the most vehement defender in Bells Hells of FCG's personhood, is much more annoyed that FCG, upon discovering they were in fact a full, living person, immediately submitted to a higher power, but would feel the same way if FCG had joined a weird club. Honestly I bet if FCG enthusiastically became a full-fledged zealot of the Ruby Vanguard, she'd be annoyed too [sidebar, this made me reframe her conversations in episode 3x49 in a new light so thanks for the question!]. I think Imogen's worldview means she really struggles with earnestly giving one's self over to a cause in general, and FCG is doing things a very different way than she would, and she's cranky about it.

But with all that said the criticism I saw in the fandom focused much more on blowing Fearne's dislike of the coin out of proportion, rather than being about Imogen, so this isn't even terribly relevant to that. I really do think it's as simple as people resenting FCG for taking up space they think belongs to Imogen; possibly resenting him for not actually being the shipper on deck of their fevered conspiracy theories; and possibly also for not being a truly sourceless cleric, which was a very popular concept early on in campaign 3 among people who are stupid.

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