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[everwalldigan]

And in that same comic Bruce apologizes for and admits that he didn’t handle Jason’s trauma appropriately because it was too inconvenient and he prioritized the mission over Jason’s well-being. Same father different parenting.

He’s such a fascinating character the more I learn about them the more insane I get (I’m still only at issue #3 of battle for the cowl ahsbbxx it’s been a long day)

[everwalldigan]

I believe that Dick treated Jason well for the most part when the latter was Robin and that the idea that he was ANGRY and dismissive of Jason during his (Jason's) whole tenure as Robin is a fanon that just doesn't want to die (because fans like their Jason's whump). Dick was angry at Bruce (and in some continuity not angry at all). The one time I can remember where there was friction when Dick and Jason's Robin first met lasted for a few panels, and it was mostly Jason who was kind of a, well, dick to Dick. Basically, at worst, Dick was angry for a day, then got over it and was a good brother from then on. So Jason has no reason to get angry at Dick for treating Tim like a brother because Dick did do the same for him when Jason was Robin.

Ok imma trust you on this one anon cause I haven’t gotten to reading a lot of comics with them especially with Jason as Robin but from my understanding of Dick at the time I don’t think he was necessarily cruel to Jason? But I don’t imagine he would have been treating him like a brother either? Like that’s some random kid that Bruce took off the streets running around wearing his FAMILYS colours and calling himself by his dead mother’s nickname for him. I think there was some kind of resentment there even if Jason didn’t deserve it and the way I imagine it dick started kinda overcompensating with Tim. Like I don’t think he was cruel to Jason but maybe just cold. Again I haven’t gotten around to reading all the comics with their interactions so I might be deathly wrong but if you can rec me some comics to help me understand their dynamics better that would be awesome!!

[everwalldigan]

Having read Jason and Dick's first meeting post-crisis. I understand that the other anon is probably a Dick fan but Dick was definitely more of dick than Jason. Jason was significantly friendlier.

Actual Quote (after Jason got caught doing reconnaissance on a possible drug den):

Dick: They'll probably switch to another lab, now that you've spooked them.

Jason: Then it's so big deal! We'll just locate their new digs and bust them when they take possession.

Dick: Wrong! I'll locate the new lab all by myself! You're going home to tell Batman how you screwed up tonight!

(There are other quotes but this was the general vibe of their interactions in the post-crisis first meeting)

Dick was very angry about the new Robin and was unkind to Jason when they first met.

The comic ends with Dick letting Jason in on the drug bust but there is actually no sign of resentment from Jason in this comic. Only insecurity.

This being their pretty much only non-retcon interaction post-crisis means that people extend the dynamic. Dick can be an dick sometimes. Actually having read a few Dick comics, he can be a dick a lot of the time.

That’s a lot of dick but yes let dick live up to his nickname a few times he’s at least earned that😕

[everwalldigan]

Anon is just misconstruing people taking the fact that dick wasn’t around a lot during Jason’s run as robin and extrapolating that jason had a reason to be bitter about it as maligning dick. NeverMind the way dick fans love to give him angst with the “my mom gave me robin” thing even though that’s like a thing that got added one time, and dick gave Jason robin in a box their first interaction post-crisis. And that that box was deliberately drawn exactly like and intended to evoke when dick gave Jason robin in a box pre-crisis, when Jason was about to debut his own costume and persona and dick went out of his way to ask Jason to be robin. Like okay either dick didn’t have any resentment that could be picked up on, voiced or not, about his mom giving him robin and Jason stealing it, or you’re making your fave a boring 20something who beatifically suffered in perfect silence while a teen trampled on the memory of their dead mom. Which is it.

Like there are out of universe reasons dick wasn’t around when Jason was robin, Jason only existed as robin so that dick could spend all his time with the Teen Titans and Batman could still have a robin, so Nw didn’t cross over into Batman and Robin much, he did it quite a few times after Jason died before Tim came, and Jason’s post crisis robin run was pretty short so there wasn’t time because a lot of the time happened in time skips, but it doesn’t change the fact that dick mentored Tim and wasn’t there for Jason, and that Jason was kept by Batmans side so usually in Gotham, occasionally with Batman when he was doing justice league stuff, joining the Teen Titans once to help when dick was in trouble, doesn’t compare to Tim’s heavy involvement with YJ and TT. Dick fans are just soooo sensitive they can’t handle someone looking at those canon dynamics and considering their possible emotional impact, justified or not, and they especially can’t handle a what-if that explores how it would be if dick were mean. Like if there people hate fandom and alternate characterizations so much they should just log off or stay out of the tag, and never read else-worlds either 🙄🙄🙄

Tbh (as a dick fan myself, I came into the fandom and imprinted on him like a baby duck) I think dick had all the reason to be a bitch to Bruce and by extension cold/standoffish to Jason. Is it a shitty thing to do that to a kid who just wanted to have a home? Yes it is but 1. I don’t think dick was really intending to hurt Jason, I think he was so hurt and angry by Bruce’s actions that he didn’t really think about the position Jason was in. And 2. I think he’s allowed to be flawed and that doesn’t take away from his character at all

This is exactly why I feel intimidated when trying to delve into the comics cause it’s like, whatever iteration you pick you’re never right and there’s always someone who’s gonna say “well I think that iteration is bad, the one I like is more true to the character” if that makes sense. Like I like the concept of Robin being smth dick created with the memories of his parents to help people while making his family’s colours a symbol of hope. And with that concept comes the hurt of being essentially fired from the position you created and then finding out your mentor had just handed over that symbol to someone he basically just met. Like I think dick obviously does have regrets with the way he treated Jason and I think that guilt would manifest into him investing more into a relationship with Tim and not letting history repeat itself.

But then again, I’m still quite new to the fandom which is why I mostly keep out of discussions and stay with silly parodies/scenarios so if I misconstrued any of the characters in a major way… my bad