#eurylochus pass me the torch

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After the 600 strikes, our Poseidon is really sad, poor thing. He's lucky to have his Brothers 💖 the gods' design are from Neal Illustrator , i only draw things. thanks to that user (Sorry i don't remember your Nick! 😭) to suggest me the "Dondon" silly name. Adorable. thanks also to Jorge Rivera-Herrans that probably Will block me someday for this tags

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Hi! You're really cool, and the things you draw give so much happiness, I wanna give you this fanart of your AU :D

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AHHHHHHHH!!! OMG I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!! The colours and everything is so perfect and you drew Dyson so perfectly! I love your art so much too! Your Eurymene drawings always make my day :) (I’m so happy rn I cant hardly put it into words so have this image instead)

(I’m keeping this art with me forever)

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ITS AWESOME DARLING !!! THE LIST OF NAMESSSSS

(Also Dementia really can’t remember, it’s in his name)

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I was rewatching the animation the other day for Scylla (EPIC the Musical Thunder Saga) and realized something

Did anyone else notice that Eurylochus had a torch?

HE HAD A TORCH

I had watched the trailer and it didn’t hit me until then and I realized, why didn’t he die then?

But the animation is INCREDIBLE!!!

He had passed off the torch to someone else when he’d “saved” him, therefore carving his fate onto him. That’s when he realized what exactly Odysseus was playing at.

Perhaps this was the true set up for Mutiny.

Maybe it wasn’t about the fact that Odysseus was willing to sacrifice six of their men.

Maybe it was just because Odysseus was willing to sacrifice him.

After everything they’d gone through.

And right after Eurylochus came clean about having been the one to open the wind bag. Odysseus didn’t respond more than with the command to light up six torches. Ensuring that Eurylochus would have one of those torches.

It wasn’t about six men.

It was about them.

[cowboys-tshot]

I keep seeing people call Eurylochus a hypocrite, and while I kinda agree, I also kinda disagree. Hear me out.

So, people's main thing with Eury is that he gets mad at Odysseus for sacrificing six men to Scylla, but he doomed all of the crew by opening the wind bag, and wanted to abandon 22 men-turned-pigs on Circe's island. (For anyone wondering where I'm getting that number, it's from The Odyssey).

But these events aren't really the same, or comparable. Let's take them one by one. (This is gonna be a long one, so I'll cut the post here for the sake of your timelines)

The wind bag. I fully understand why people are pissed at Eurylochus for doing this, and I am too. But you have to remember that he did not do this out of malicious intent. He did not know this would end in the eventual deaths of the entire crew. Even though Eurylochus was warned about the storm being inside the bag, none of them knew it would take them right to the Laestrygonians. He had no idea Poseidon was pissed off at Odysseus for blinding Polyphemus. It was a stupid decision, certainly, but the following events were not intentional on his part.

Circe's island. Eurylochus had no reason to believe there was any way of rescuing those 22 men. Circe's a goddess/witch. What the fuck are two human dudes gonna do about that? Odysseus didn't even know what he was going to do. He would not have had any solution if not for Hermes, which is not something Eurylochus could've predicted. It's pretty reasonable for him to think that those men were a lost cause.

Scylla. So far, all of the deaths have been "accidental:" 14 from Polyphemus, 543 from Poseidon/Laestrygonians, and 1 from Circe (RIP Elpenor). I am not attributing the 543 deaths to Eurylochus for the reasons detailed above. No one knew these deaths would happen. They were all sudden/unexpected. Let's take these next sixth deaths moment-by-moment:

Odysseus redirects the ship, using directions that no one else knew (Odysseus was reading the siren's lips, but everyone else was too busy catching the other sirens, and all of them had beeswax in their ears). Odysseus tells Eurylochus to light six torches.

One by one, Eurylochus watches every man that he handed a torch get brutally eaten. He himself is almost eaten, but he passes his torch off to someone else before he notices the correlation. He only realizes what's happening as the sixth man is about to die, and Eurylochus is too late to save him.

Odysseus won't even gaze at the blood left behind. But it's all Eurylochus can look at.

These deaths were planned. Odysseus knew what he was bringing his men into, and not only did he keep it from them, he sacrificed his men that didn't even know what was happening. And Eurylochus likely feels part of the blame, having been the one to light the torches, even if he didn't know the consequences of it.

Eurylochus has a right to be upset, to be angry. These are the first deaths that could have been prevented, because Odysseus could've simply not taken his men through Scylla's territory. But that's the only way to get home. Odysseus sees it as a necessary sacrifice, but Eurylochus sees it as needless. Because at this point, Eurylochus has given up hope that they'll ever get home. What is the point of sacrificing these men for a goal we will never achieve?

This is not a situation where one person is at fault. Odysseus and Eurylochus are both to blame. Like Scylla says, "There is no price we won't pay." Odysseus himself says, "You know you'd have done the same." People do stupid, dangerous, bad shit to survive. Odysseus sacrifices his men. Eurylochus still wants to live, he just doesn't see the point in trying to return to Ithaca. That's why he kills Helios's cattle. He is starving and he wants to live, even though he knows the consequences.

The whole point of all this is that people will do awful and/or stupid things to survive. Not just Odysseus.

[betaray-jones]

So what would have happened if Polites had survived until Scylla?

If we assume that his survival wouldn't have changed anything until that point here's what I think are the potential options.

Continue reading at your own risk. Be aware that it's a tragedy.

So I don't think it would have changed anything at all.

For me there are three potential things that could have happened:

1. Polites dies to Scylla

Eurylochus almost certainly would have given a torch to Polites as one of the people he trusts so unless Odysseus intervenes he would sacrifice Polites in order to get home.

2. Polites dies during the mutiny

Odysseus would of course be able to save Polites from Scylla by making up some reason for him to pass the torch on. If Odysseus does interfere that makes his sacrifice even more obvious and would add the level that he would be willing to sacrifice some but not all members which would be a further knife in the back especially for Eurylochus. So the mutiny would definitely still happen. The big question would then be which side Polites would fall on. Does he stand with his best friend knowing the length he is willing to go for? That he just bought Polites live using a victim that Polites himself chose by passing on the torch? Or does he stand with the crew despite the threat against the life of his oldest friend? Does he try to stop it despite knowing that the loss of trust in Odysseus on the side of the crew is absolute?

Either way he runs a real risk of getting caught in the crossfire getting wounded or potentially even losing his life.

3. He dies to Zeus

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Even if he does stand with Odysseus during the mutiny, stays true to him through it all and puts all his trust into him if Odysseus is asked to choose between the crew and his family the choice is clear and Polites even faultless and blameless dies by way of lightning bolt.

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I just had a thought.

What if “Scylla” is from Scylla’s perspective? Think about it. We hear Scylla singing in the beginning, but neither Odysseus nor the rest of the crew reacts. Because she’s watching them, they’re sailing through her lair.

“You know that we are the same.” … “You hide a reason for shame.” She’s observing Odysseus, seeing that he’s the leader, that he knows what’s up, and that he’s willing to make sacrifices.

“Leaving them feeling betrayed, breaking the bonds that you made,” … “There is no price we won’t pay.” She does horrible things to live, snatching men from passing ships and consuming them. “We both know what it takes to survive.” She had to cross lines and learn how to survive, and she recognizes the need for the same in Odysseus.

“We only care for ourselves.” She recognizes that all that matters is their own—for Scylla, that’s herself, and for Odysseus, that’s his family.

Here, the music recedes a bit, and Scylla sings the line differently than the others. She heard Odysseus give the order to light six torches, and what she’s only been assuming thus far is confirmed. “We’re lonely demons from hell.” Until this point, Scylla only sang in one voice, with one head, showing a human-like appearance. But now she sings in several voices with all her heads. She reflects what Odysseus did by giving that order, showing who she is “Deep down”—a monster—and bringing it to the surface.

As indicated by Eurylochus’s line, “Captain. Something approaches,” she starts approaching the ships. Before, no one noticed her; she observed unseen, hence why no one reacted to her singing. She then greets Odysseus almost politely, as one would a peer or an equal. “Hello.”

Odysseus shouts at the crew to “Row for your lives!” Scylla pursues, claiming the sacrifices one by one, as can be heard throughout her verse. She sees that Odysseus is running, failing to completely be the monster that he is. So, while she feasts, she tells him what it means to be a monster, but also gives him advice on how to live as a monster, how to live with himself.

“Drown in your sorrow and fears. Choke on your blood and your tears. Bleed ‘til you’ve run out of years.” Essentially, she’s saying “Go ahead, cry about it.” She says those things rhetorically, presenting them as options neither of them actually have, because “We must do what it takes to survive.” As monsters, they must survive. Giving up is not an option.

“Give up your honor and faith.” She stopped caring about right and wrong. She sees that Odysseus is a soldier with strong moral values, and that he must do the same and abandon those values. “Live out your life as a wraith.” Life is hardly worth living anymore, for her. But she’s come too far to simply let herself die. So she’s become an empty husk of herself, surviving for the sake of it. Odysseus will inevitably need to do the same. “Die in the blood where you bathe.” A reference to her transformation into her current state. The old Scylla died in that moment, leaving only the monster. War is sometimes called a “bloodbath”, and Scylla suggests that Odysseus has already killed so many that his journey could be considered one. He must undergo a similar transformation, letting the old Odysseus die (which he has not completely done yet) and embracing the new monster. She then reinforces the reason for doing these things: “We must do what it takes to survive.”

Finally, she talks to Odysseus directly. “We are the same you and, I.” Odysseus responds, harmonizing at “I”, meaning he can hear her. He can’t bear to admit what he is, since he still hasn’t fully become the monster he declared himself to be, which is why he doesn’t harmonize for the entire line.

I am such a nerd for this musical. Still, I don’t get everything right. Feel free to add anything or correct me in the comments.

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ODYPEN ODYPEN

Odypen oh odypen

This picture from pinterest inspired me :D

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Take flying snakes doodles

OMG I LOVE THIS?!?!?! Especially the ‘feel me’ doodle. BRB keeping this my private collection!!

Edit: I WAS SO EXCITED THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS??? KIWISIAS’ BLINDFOLD OMFG

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Some other stuff that happens in the Lonely wolf AU (might change if I get better ideas)

Polites stays kneeled next to Odysseus' body, frozen in place, while the club keeps going down (Survive)

Athena screams at Polites (My goodbye)

Eurylochus becomes the new captain

Polites blames himself for Odysseus' death

Polites begs Poseidon for mercy (it doesn't work) Edit: I just got an idea that it could be something like "Please, Poseidon, we didn't mean to offend you and we apologize for hurting your son, isn't there anything else we could offer you instead of our lives?" And Poseidon just says no (Ruthlessness)

Wouldn't you like stays pretty much the same

Dead Odysseus appears (The Underworld)

Polites declares he will do anything to get the crew home (Monster)

Either both Siren Odysseus and Siren Eurylochus or just Siren Odysseus (Suffering)

Polites got all his mythology knowledge from Odysseus so he doesn't know everything, (example: he knows about the sirens but not Scylla) (Suffering/Different Beast, Scylla)

Not really knowing what they're up against, they try fighting Scylla, but once it starts going badly Polites decides to sacrifice himself to save the others (imagine him standing there, holding the only lit torch on the ship) (Scylla)

Eurylochus pulls him away, Scylla eats the arm holding the torch, Polites passes out from blood loss while Eurylochus is screaming "What were you thinking?!" and similar at him (Scylla, Mutiny)

Eurylochus tries to convince Polites to kill the cows and have one last meal together, Polites begs him to reconsider (Mutiny)

Polites begs Zeus to spare the crew and kill him instead, but Zeus refuses (Thunderbringer)

When Polites wakes up on Calypso's island, it truly sinks in that Eurylochus is gone. She holds him while he screams (Love in paradise)

With the crew dead, Polites loses his drive to get home (Love in Paradise)

Polites and Calypso develop an unhealthy attachment to one another (Love in paradise)

Unlike Odysseus' "All I hear are screams", Polites sees his dead comrades, watching him in silence

Athena decides that her best chance to get rid of the suitors is to find someone from Odysseus' crew that survived (We'll be fine, Love in Paradise)

The ledge scene still happens but it's a bit different (Love in Paradise)

Polites agrees to go back to Ithaca only after Hermes tells him about the suitors (Not sorry for loving you)

He gives Calypso his red headband so she can remember him (Not sorry for loving you)

Hermes gives him a blue headband (Dangerous)

Polites tries to convince Poseidon to let things go (it doesn't work pt.2) (Get in the water)

Polites stabs Poseidon until his arms go numb (might also throw some ugly crying in there) (Six-hundred strike)

Polites doesn't attempt the challenge both because he knows he can't pass (Growing up with Odysseus, I imagine he learned how to string his bow but can't shoot through the axes) and out of respect for Odysseus (The challenge)

Polites decapitates Antinous (Hold them Down)

Telemachus mistakes Polites for Odysseus (I can't help but wonder)

Polites delivers the news of Odysseus' death to Penelope and apologises in tears (Would you fall in love with me again)

Polites tells Penelope he's going to leave, insisting that there's nothing left for him in Ithaca and that he doesn't want her and Telemachus to be bothered by his presence while they're grieving (Would you fall in love with me again)

Penelope, not wanting to lose the only other person that could know how she feels and having a feeling that by "leaving" Polites doesn't mean moving away, asks him to mentor Telemachus. Polites accepts (insert very touching "You are wanted and you are needed here" scene) (Would you fall in love with me again)

Polites tells Telemachus stories about Odysseus and Eurylochus (future)

Polites starts learning how to play the lyre (future)

Polites has a garden with six-hundred stones, one for every comrade he lost and some flowers for Calypso (future)

Polites starts wearing a purple headband (future)

Polites and Penelope sometimes sit together in silence (future)

Polites doesn't know why he keeps living, he just does. With time, it gets a bit easier, but he still struggles finding purpose (future)

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Every saga in a mf78 nutshell (pt 6)

Warning: this contains mentions of blood and some gore.

pt 1, Pt 2, pt 3, pt 4, pt 5, pt 6, pt 7, pt 8, pt 9

*SUFFERING*

(Odysseus and his crew are out of the underworld, and are now on water again)

???: Yoohoo!

Odysseus: Wha-?

Penelope?: My daring adorable smoking cute husband! I miss youuuu!

Odysseus: ...

Odysseus: My loving glorious wife! Oh I miss you too!

Penelope?: You know I can't stand not seeing you for a while! Come into the water! And give me your loving kisses!

Odysseus: I would my love! But alas, I am scared of getting in the water to see your precious face..

Eurylochus, whispering to the other crew members: I don't know what's weirder, he's flirting with a siren or the fact this is too strange to look at..

Penelope?: But baaabe! I'll make sure your safe! Me and our beautiful daughter are waiting for you!

Odysseus: I would precious, but I'd be trying to float the entire time, I feel much safer up here!

Penelope?: Pleeeeease? :)

Odysseus: ....How can I not resit that charm? But, could you answer something for me?

Penelope?: Yes!

Odysseus: Alright. Imagine that I'm on the run from the terrifying god Poseidon, and he traps us with waves and storms to make sure we don't get home..

Penelope?: Oh thats horrible! :(

Odysseus: Oh it is! But answer me this, which way can I go to get home?

Penelope?: That's simple! Just go through the lair of scylla! He'd never go there...

Odysseus: ....LAIR of scylla?

Penelope?: Mhm!

Odysseus: It has a cost though...

Penelope?: You did ask, so here's your answer! Now come in the water and play with me! <33

Odysseus: *insert hair flick* Aww, but you do know I'm too shy about getting in the water. Why don't you come up here instead and we'll jump at the same time so I feel safe!

Eurylochus silently: LET THIS BE OVER PLEASEEEE-

Penelope?: You can do it dear! I'll catch you when you get down here! It'll be quick as possible!

Odysseus: ..fine, but only this once! *he slowly goes over to-*

*DIFFERENT BEAST*

(HITS THE SIREN IN THE FUCKIN CHEST)

Siren: OW, WHAT THE HELL?!

Odysseus: Nice try, but you're not fooling me that easily. One, I'm not scared of the water. Two, I don't even have a daughter!

Siren: ...crap.

Odysseus: We also kidnap your friends too.

Siren: HUH?!

Odysseus: We also filled our ears with beeswax so your kept being my squinting my eyes! Now I know how to get home thanks to you!

The crew: WHOOOOOHOOO!

Siren: Wait! Just- just please spare us, and won't do anything bad ever again!

Odysseus: You're just gonna go after more sailors if I do. We're cutting off your tails and letting you all drown!

Sirens: NOOOOOO!

*SCYLLA*

Odysseus: Alright guys, we get through this lair nice and carefully, then we will finally get home..

Eurylochus: ...FUCK IT. CAPTAIN, I CANT HOLD THIS IN ANYMORE BUT I WAS THE ONE WHO OPENED THE WINDBAG WHILE YOU WERE ASLEEP!

Odysseus: *Insert slow turning around* YOU DID FUCKING WHAT?!

Eurylochus: I'm sorry, it was all fast and all of a sudden! Forgive me please!

Odysseus: ...................go and light up six torches.

Eurylochus: Uh, alright..

*Eurylochus lights up six torches and hands them to six of the crew*

Eurylochus: ....wait, I see something in the distance. It's coming toward us..

Scylla : HELLO. >:)

Odysseus: Oh shit- EVERYONE ROW FOR YOUR LIVES!

Scylla: ITS FUCKING DINNER TIME!

*scylla's other heads start going after six of the crew, eating their bodies as blood escape from their mouths. After the gore and horror, the crew make it out of the lair, Odysseus is looking up, not turning around*

*MUTINY*

Eurylochus: Okay, what the fuck was that?! You just used our six friends to be killed? We passed through the cyclops, and gods because you had a plan in mind!

Odysseus: ....

Eurylochus: And what did we do when we saw that monster? We fucking ran! Do you miss your wife that bad?! Are you crazy or what?! .......SPEAK!

Odysseus: I CAN'T AND I WONT.

Eurylochus: *silent is upon him*

Eurylochus: Very well..

*He pulls out his sword, odysseus from this also takes out his*

Odysseus: Don't you know what you're doing right now? You'd do it to y'know!

Eurylochus: Absolutely, and you have betrayed us all, so PAY THE PRICE!

*the two fight like it was a star wars saberfight for a few minutes. Eurylochus gets pushed to the ground as Odysseus has him down*

Odysseus: If I'm paying the price, then you're going down FIRST-!

Perimedes: *Stabs Odysseus in the stomach a bit* NO.

Odysseus: ACK....WHY'D YOU DO THAT?

Perimedes: Im sorry, but you're out of time Captain, we won't take this suffering no more.

Crew: Fuck you captain!

*Before odysseus could speak, Eurylochus has knocks him out*

*a few hours later*

Odysseus: ...my head....am I tied up? Ugh..where are we now?

Eurylochus: Oh, you're awake. We just found an island filled with cows. They have enough meat for all of us!

Odysseus: Cows? What do you me- Oh crap.

Odysseus: *slowly turns to Eurylochus* Don't tell me you're going to kill one, are you?

Eurylochus: Uh, yeah I am going to! We're never gonna make it home y'know!

Odysseus: You don't know that's true, besides it's the sun god's cows! Who knows what would happen!

Eurylochus: .....I cant suffer like this anymore ody, after all I am just a man.

Odysseus: EURYLOCHUS WAIT-!

Eurylochus: *Stabs the cattle in the throat*

*thunder can be heard as the clouds get darker*

Odysseus: YOU SCREWED US ALL IDIOT!

Eurylochus: ....captain?

Odysseus: *unties himself* EVERYONE GET BACK ON THE SHIP, GET AN OAR AND ROW AS FAST AS YOU CAN! NOW! BEFORE WE'RE DOOMED!

*All the crew get onto the ship and grab and oar, they row faster, and faster...until they saw thunder appear in front of them*

Odysseus: Crap....

*THUNDER BRINGER*

Zeus: *He appears from the thunder, he takes a step forward*

Zeus: Wellll odysseus, it seems that your crew has become total dumbasses! So I'm giving you a small deal.

Odysseus: ...a-and what's that?

Zeus: You get to choose who gets to die from the thundering bringer of death! Your crew, or just you. That's all you have..

Odysseus: But...I don't want to..

Zeus: Choose..

Odysseus: ...

Penelope..(thats totally not zeus): Ody...

Odysseus: ....penelope?

Penelope...: Please come home...ditch your crew and come to your loving family..

*"Penelope" kisses odysseus on the forehead as she fades away. Odysseus turns to Eurylochus*

Eurylochus: Ody...?

Odysseus: I gotta see her Eury..

Eurylochus: But we'll die from this!

Odysseus: Sorry...also why do you say that when you and the crew practically caused me trou-

*Thunder has been struck on the crew. And odysseus is out of sight...for now.*

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Ody be providing food for his family through the Ocean Drive thru

thank you SO MUCH to everyone who was on the livestream!!!!! i loved doing this, and defnetly will do again!!!!

<3

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Haunted Thunder pt 1

WARNING THUNDER SAGA SPOILERS CANNON BLOOD AND DEATH

Time didn't work as it used to and Polites was left to float around aimlessly in the bleak underworld.He faintly remembers seeing Odysseus but already it was fading from his mind, how long has he been here? Minutes? Months? Years? He has no idea.

He is jolted out of his endless wandering and finds himself on a boat with…Odysseus?! Polites shakes himself out of his shock before rushing to hug his friend only to find himself unable to touch him only passing through him. He tries again to grab Odysseus’s arm and again he passes through his friend.

“Odysseus!” Nobody hears him though and as Polites sinks to the deck he hears singing coming from the ocean. Odysseus starts responding to a voice..wait it can't be possible. Penelope has no way of being out at sea like this so what? The answer hits him hard ...no please don't be sirens!

All Polites can focus on is stopping Odysseus from answering the siren's call. Any attempt is ignored until Odysseus raises his bow and…shoots at the siren? Polites breathes a sigh of relief as Odysseus reveals he had known all along about the sirens. The sirens had been caught and Polites couldn't help but smile.

His friend always has a plan and this time was no exception. The sirens call for mercy and Polites waits for Odysseus to convince the sirens to leave and not bother them only to freeze at the order shouted to the wind.

“Cut off their tails and throw them back in the water. Let them all drown.” Polites just stands there in shock before flinching as the crew obeys the order. Blood and screams fill the air. He slumps to the deck and sees Odysseus, cold and uncaring as he watches the sirens be thrown back into the sea before sailing on leaving behind a sea of blood and bodies.Polites feels sick to his stomach.

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Everything fades away revealing another scene. They seem to be sailing through a dark cave and a haunting tune fills the air leaving the entire crew on edge.Odysseus orders for 6 torches to be lit and passed out to crewmembers.

Polites tenses as six monstrous heads centering around a terrifying body emerge from the inky depths of the cave. He rushes towards someone holding a torch unaware of the monster behind him wishing desperately to save them. It was a meaningless effort as he passed through them only able to watch as blood splatters the deck and soon Polites screams mix in with the screams of the crew being picked off and eaten.

One of the feathers from Julien’s ankle wings, a broken claw necklace from Nox, a scrap of Charis’s scarf.

Everything is soaked in blood as Polites sobs and screams at all the death. He knows the names of everyone that was eaten.

Julien who always put up an unbothered and mischievous front to hide his fear of hurting people he cared about.

Nox who often used his silent footsteps and cat eyes to scare the crew.

Charis who loves to sew as a way to be close to his dead mom.

Lykos who only wanted to explore the world outside of the forest they grew up in.

Almi the quarter water nymph who gifts any scales he sheds to people he trusts and loved swimming with dolphins.

Therme who welcomes hugs and cuddles using his above average temperature to keep everyone warm with a smile.

Huedo with his calming aura letting crew members sleep in his room to keep nightmares away. They are all dead now, life ended brutally and abruptly. Polites throws up as he sobs and grieves.

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Polites is pulled out of his grief by Eurylochus’s voice.

“Please tell me you didn't know that would happen. Look me in the eyes Captain and tell me you didn't just sacrifice 6 men!” Polites stared at Eurylochus in shock. How could he ever think that about Odysseus he would NEVER. But the silence drags on

“SAY SOMETHING!” Eurylochus was breathing hard and Odysseus sharply turns to face him

“I CANT.” Polites stares at Odysseus in disbelief. Now that he thinks about it Odysseus had not reacted at all to the men being eaten almost like….like he had expected it…

Polites covers his mouth as his eyes tear up, feeling sick again. Odysseus didn't actually sacrifice 6 of the crew right? He watches Eurylochus face harden

“then you leave me no choice.” Eurylochus draws out the giant sword from his back and faces Odysseus.

“Please brother don't make me fight you!” Odysseus is panicking but as Eurylochus charges he pulls out his own sword to block with gritted teeth. Polites feels himself start shaking as he watches the fight.

What could have happened after he had died?! How could this happen?! Eurylochus is knocked down and Odysseus raises his sword for the final strike

“I won't let you get in my way!” Before he can deal the final blow he starts coughing up blood and he turns and sees that another crew member had stabbed him in the back with tearful eyes. Odysseus’s eyes fill with pain both emotional and physical

“My brothers…why..” He falls forward landing on the deck with a thud. Polites cries out and stumbles over to his fallen friend. Once again his hands phase through Odysseus and he sobs, unable to do anything to help.

Polites watches them patch up Odysseus before tying him to the mast. Polites stares blankly into the distance wondering how everything could have gone so wrong.

Part 2 here

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THINGS I NOTICED YAY

Okay so there are two very interesting things I noticed while relistening to the Thunder Saga that I have to get out before I go to bed

1)Epic’s danger motif was not in the song Scylla, not even when she was mentioned by the siren

In Suffering despite being surrounded by sirens Odysseus knew he was not speaking to Penelope from the start and thus was never in danger

In Different Beast Ody and his crew have the upper hand, it’s the sirens in danger so no motif

In Mutiny the danger motif plays as Odysseus battles Eurylochus, his life is being threatened, it also plays after Eurylochus slits the cattle’s throat and they have to run from Zeus

At first I was thinking maybe Jorge just couldn’t fit the theme in because it would distract from Scyllas actual theme but if that was the case he would’ve just added it when her name was brought up like how the theme plays when we know Zeus is coming but I couldn’t hear it in the actual Thunder Bringer song

All this to say from the moment Odysseus knew they would have to pass through Scyllas territory he made peace with his choice to sacrifice 6 men knowing full well that as long as he drew attention to certain crew members (via torches) he would be completely safe, at the end of the song Odysseus and Scylla even share a verse about how alike they are like?? She was never a threat to him despite the absolute carnage she rained on his ship and I find that brilliantly fucked up

2)Second thing I noticed is that Eurylochus calls Odysseus “Ody” while he was trying to convince him not to kill the cattle “Ody, we’re never gonna get to make it home, you know it’s true.” were his words, I’m pretty sure this is the only time in the musical someone actually calls him Ody, that’s more of a fan things so to me it goes to show just how tired and vulnerable he was feeling

This is also slightly unrelated to the second point but I really think there was a part of Eurylochus that knew he was dooming himself by killing that cow but that he was so tired from the constant tragedies and despair from probably never getting home again that he killed the cow anyway, the hunger really just embodied those feelings 

But yeah that’s my two cents at least I didn’t cry this time yippee

[ghostofmyth]

Ermmmmm, chat I think I just unlocked some hidden meanings in Epic: the musical's song 'No Longer You"? And It reveals what already happened in the Thunder saga and what's going to happen in future saga's like 'Vengeance' and 'Ithaca'-

idk if it was intentional or not, but Mr.Jalapeño had REALLY outdone himself on this one 👍

Ok so there's a lot so let me break it down:

I was trying to figure out the chorus at the end of 'No Longer You' when I realized some things that are happening in the song.

The prophet is literally telling us what is going to happen (Thunder + Vengeance + Ithaca saga's), the chorus in the background at the end is giving us hints of when these events will happen in future songs, and the prophet is directly telling Odysseus that he will make it home and what is going to happen when he gets home.

1) Now most of the prophet's lines are directly referencing to the Thunder saga, that much is very obvious. Let me go through each one to show you.

"I see a song of past romance"

This line is referencing to the siren songs 'Suffering' and (maybe?) 'Different Beast', because the siren pretending to be Penelope is trying to lure Odysseus (and his men) into the water by singing, but since Odysseus and the crew had wax in their ears they were able to resiste the song and thus Odysseus commands her and the rest of the sirens to be killed right after he gets his needed information.

"I see the sacrifice of man"

This line is referencing to the third song 'Scylla', where Odysseus tells Eurylochus to light up six torches after he tells Odysseus that he was the one who had opened the bag, the fact that the 'man' is singular and not plural speaks volumes, that means that Eurylochus was going to be the sacrifice to Scylla but instead he passed around the torches, sacrificing six other men to Scylla unintentionally. Odysseus was, either way, ready to sacrifice his crew.

"I see portrayals of betrayal and a brothers final stand"

This line is referencing to the first half of 'Mutiny' and here's why. Eurylochus feels so betrayed by Odysseus because he gave up six of their men to Scylla that he decides to fight him to the death, Odysseus loses and almost dies while fighting Eurylochus (the two called each other brothers in multiple past songs, including this one), that is when the crew fully sides with Eurylochus, betraying their original captain for another, if not worse, captain. Also to mention it was Eurylochus that betrayed Odysseus first because he was the one that opened the bag that set them off course from Ithaca and right towards Poseidon.

"I see you on the brink of death"

This line is referencing to the second half of 'Mutiny', Odysseus almost dies but since he was healed by Eurylochus he lives. That's when things start to go down hill.

"I see you draw your final breath"

Now this line would be referencing to the very end of 'Thunder Bringer', where (as seen in a trailer to the Thunder saga) Odysseus is drowning after Zeus strikes a lightening bolt at the ship, thus killing everyone except for him.

"I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it's no longer you."

Now the very last line has nothing to do with the Thunder saga. It has more connection with the 'Vengeance' and 'Ithaca' sagas (not the Wisdom saga though, that one is Athena trying to convince the other god's to free his dumb self from Calypso's island). All that we know from this line is that he is alive, he is going home, and that he is the monster rawr rawr rawr. (Also doesn't Scylla say that she and him were alike? Monster era fr 🦖)

2) Now to the chorus part, I can't really hear very well so I can't tell what have of it is saying after lighting bolt, but I do have a good theory on what it could be telling us.

At the very end, while the prophet is retelling his prophecy thing, we hear the chorus, which is telling us what events are going to happen in songs.

"I see you on the brink of death" is connected to the 'Siren song' and 'Scylla throat' part. In the first three songs of the Thunder saga, Odysseus is facing murderous monsters like sirens and Scylla who are actively trying to kill him and his crew. The monsters could be shown as the brink of death because of how dangerous both are.

"I see you draw your final breath" has the 'Mutiny' and 'Lightning Bolt' part of the chorus, the last two songs in the Thunder saga happen to have Odysseus draw his final breath twice, first in "Mutiny" while fighting with Eurylochus and second while he is drowning and passes out at the end of "Thunder Bringer" (as seen in the trailer).

It seems the lyrics are what is going to happen to Odysseus and the chorus is what songs its going to happen in. That's why we hear more than one word during the last lines "I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it's no longer you". It's multiple song names that are going show the aftermath of Thunder saga through the not yet released saga's.

3) Now the very last one is a doozy so bare with me here-

In the beginning/middle of "No Longer You', after the prophet tell's Odysseus his future, Odysseus says,

"This can't be, we suffered and sailed through the toughest of hell's now you tell us our efforts for nothing?!"

You can tell in these lines that Odysseus is at the point of giving up, he thinks he might never make it home after hearing the prophets words. But the prophet continues.

"I see your palace covered in red, faces of men who have long believed your dead"

This line could be a reference to either the Vengeance saga or Ithaca saga, but what is happening is that the all the suitors are killed, hence the covered in red part.

"I see your wife with a man who is hunting, a man with a trail of bodies."

Again, could be referencing to either the Vengeance or Ithaca saga. But the prophet is saying that Penelope is with the man who hunted down and killed all the suitors, leaving a trail of bodies in his wake, and that they are reunited/are together.

Oh course, Odysseus doesn't understand what he is talking about so he asks "WHO", who is with Penelope? But the prophet DOES tell him who the mysterious man with blood on his hands is, who the man that Penelope is with. Multiple times in fact.

When the prophet repeats himself he is emphasizing his words. "I see you" is sung more stronger than the last time and at the end "I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it's no longer you" the last word is sung more slower. The prophet is telling Odysseus that it's him "You".

Basically to sum it up, when Odysseus says "our efforts for nothing", he thinks that "om-gods this was worthless I'm never going to make it home". The prophet is like "Uh what, you do make it home it says right here?" Then Odysseus is like, "WHO IS THAT MAN WITH MY WIFE? I'LL KILL HIM!" Then the prophet is like, "DUDE CHILL OUT ITS YOU???"

The prophet is telling him that he will in fact get home, and tells him what's going to happen when he gets home.

Ta-da, that's what I figured out! Either that or I'm just going insane! (My thought process on this whole thing has been going on since 1am, it is currently 5:30am)

Now that I have shared my thoughts with the world, I shall now go finally sleep, night!

[nothing-impt]

Ody is trying to see if he can manwhore his way out of this one

I’ll give you this cursed thing before going on my trip.