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katarinas-redemption · 2 years ago

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The Blacklist, Season 8 episodes 8X21 (Nachalo) and 8X22 (Konets) unpack many answers!

Episode 8.21 Nachalo will reveal Red’s origin story and how he became the Concierge of Crime. [clue. Red is actually Katarina Rostova] 8.22 Red’s identity is revealed to Liz in her last dying moments.

In season 6 and 7 we have the episode Rassvet 6.19. Dom tells Liz a story about Ilya Koslov becoming Reddington. We know something is off when Red angrily confronts Dom and tells him he made things worse by telling Liz those things. We then see the stranger in ep.6.22 (s he was described at that time in the episode descriptions) telling Red that Dom should not have told Liz that story. We didn’t know yet though that this guy was in fact Ilya. FFWD to mid season 7, It is revealed that Ilya Koslov wasn’t the one that had the surgery to become surgery. He said only 3 people were involved... Himself, Katarina, and Dr. Koehler. No third man mentioned that was in the loop. “No one knows Reddington is dead” you and I know that... etc. If Red knows KR better than she knows herself and more than anyone, and they share one soul // one soulmate, than you’d think that he is another person she could turn to. No third man is ever talked about. Ilya is the *only* Man Katarina can trust. That is why she turns to Ilya instead and asks HIM to take care of Masha if anything were to happen to her. We then find out mid season 7 that the Red we are watching is not in fact Katarina’s childhood friend, Ilya Koslov. Ilya Koslov is actually the stranger aka “Frank”. He wasn’t the one that became Reddington. Combine this with the fact that we know that only two people on the planet knew that RR died that night and that the PLAN to become RR involved Katarina, Ilya, and Dr. Koehler. No one else!

In S8E21, we get confirmation that the woman presented as Katarina in S6 and S7 was in fact not the real one. But before that in ep 8.02, she found out from Dom where KR was living and her new identity. We know that Faker had been looking for the real one the whole time. Once Dom tells her, she makes a beeline for Red and tells him that he was right in front of her the whole time. She even mocks Red by telling him that she wonders what it must be like for him knowing he can’t kill her because of how much Elizabeth loves her Mother.

Finally we have the Townsend Directive and N-13. Red is N13 and so is Katarina. Townsend needs to find N13 (who is responsible for the slaughter of Townsends family/children) and kill their child in front of them as payback. Ivan whispers to Townsend something that Red said would make Townsend wanna kill Liz. Red admits that both he and Katarina were ultimately responsible for the deaths of NT’s family. Two plus two equals 4. That is why Red knew that he would kill Liz.

We get to Rassvet and Konets.

8.21 Right from the very beginning of the episode, we have Red and Katarina’s voices blending together as one. “You. Me. Your Mother (voices blending together) “To understand why I came into your life, you need to hear my story.”

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Red told Liz that he erased her memories in S2. In Nachalo, KR said she was the one. They both said they did it to protect Liz. This episode confirms that KR was burned. In the episode Requiem, we see the back of her shirt burned in the same upper left hand corner where Red is burned. KR touches the banister in the Tacoma Park home. just like Red did in S1. The camera specifically focuses on THAT. They show Red’s memory of Bubble Girl when Looking out the window but this time we see it was actually kR’s memory. Liz tells Katarina’s “ghost’ “Everything about you is a lie”. That circles back to the line in the pilot where Red said that everything about him is a lie. Further proof that Redarina was always the story since inception and it has never changed. We hear Katarina say that her mother understood her but that her father was unyielding. Tie this is with Red telling Liz when he was having his final death meal that his mother understood him but his father did not.

We have both ilya and Katarina saying that Dom couldn’t accept the truth of who became Reddington.

The camera pans to Katarina’s face when Dom said: It was HIS fault that a plan was needed in the first place. Just rewatch that scene and look at the expression she makes.

The Fake Katarina/Tatiana said that who she had been looking for was the real Katarina. We hear Dom say in Nachalo that he told Tatiana where the real Katarina was hiding and what her new identity was. Afterward, the fake KR makes a beeline to RED and tells him that all those years searching and he was right in front of her the whole time. Add in Jon Bokenkamps interviews where he said that what this woman was after had to do with Red’s identity.

Both Red and KR said in this episode that they slept with both MEN AND WOMEN.

This is A Man’s World The Song plays during the scene where the new Reddington is undergoing surgery and then afterward.

Konets

Liz asked Red why she couldn’t know who he was until after he had died. He replied by saying that if she knew beforehand she’d never agree to kill him.

In Liz’s final montage where her life flashes before her eyes, her final scene is of her directly looking into Red’s eyes and an image of her mother comes into focus. For half a second her eyes and mouth are wide open. this is when she knew. Then after she closes her eyes, Red himself has a flashback of himself as Katarina kissing baby liz when she was born.

#nachalo #redarina #rederina #redarina discussions #konets #the reveal #redarina parallels #redarina gifs #elizabeth keen gifs #liz keen gifs #lotte verbeek gifs #raymond reddington is katarina rostova

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theyarebothgunshot · 3 years ago

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Hi Rose so I really need your help with something. I have finally managed to convince my best friend to watch some spn episodes that were Destiel heavy with me. The problem is that I haven’t actually watched any spn in years so my memory’s a bit rusty and I only remember really obvious eps like ‘Lazarus rising, tmwwbk, despair,etc. can you recommend some eps that are more Destiel heavy that you remember pls🥺👉👈 no worries if you don’t have the time or smth

ohhhh nice, i hope she will like it! this could potentially get long so i am putting it under the cut sdhfshf

i think that apart from the big episodes that are fully destiel heavy (4x1, 4x20, 5x3, 5x4, 5x18, 6x20, 7x1, 7x2, 7x17) for the first few seasons (4-7) you could also show her some specific scenes instead of full episodes (the kitchen scene at the end of 4x2, the bench scene at the end of 4x7, etc. you could probably find a compilation on youtube and there is always deancasnatural)

the beginning of s8 is VERY destiel heavy (8x1, 8x3, 8x7 are the most important ones) then obviously 8x17, 8x22 & 8x23.

in s9 you have 9x6 which is a love it or hate it kinda ordeal. s10 has some gems but mostly 10x14 & 10x22. s11 is kinda light on the destiel, but s12 has 12x09, 12x12, 12x19 & 12x23, and then comes the widower arc aka 13x01 - 13x06. 14 is kinda light again, and then divorce arc with a angsty ending in 15x03, a spectacular 15x09, and as you know, 15x18.

i hope this helps!!

#there are a lot more eps and i did this off the top of my head without any help so its not perfect but its a start dhdsh #anonymous

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my-robot-heart · 4 years ago

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I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY

When we get around to 8x22 this week, if that park walking hand holding Agnes playing DELIGHT of a scene is not AT LEAST half of the episode I will start shouting and possibly throwing things. Because that last hand holding promo that was Red/Lizzie in the car WAS BARELY EVEN a few seconds of the episode and I am not prepared to sit through an entire episode that is quite possibly the last time we see them together on screen WITHOUT the park walking and the hand holding and the etc.

Basically if this next ep is just one long park scene I would watch the HELL out of that.

#please #please please PLEAASSSEE #lizzington #8x22 #dammit can't you throw us a bone

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codewordpumpkin · 4 years ago

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tbl 8x21

um.. I haven't watched the ep yet... but I've been following along your live blogging... and I must say... I feel nauseous and like I can't breathe and my heart is racing and my blood is boiling and I am hoping, PRAYING, that they're just baiting us like always because even THEY must know how fucking ridiculous Redarina would be????????? Like this goes beyond simple retcon?????????? it would be rewriting the entire show??????????????????????

Meanwhile, waiting for the 8x22 promo to show up on Youtube so I can see for myself this "hand-holding"????????????????????

fuck idk what to think

tbh redarina would devastate me even more than liz/megan leaving

fuck

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bronx-bomber87 · 6 years ago

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I love that she squeals everytime he lifts her up so damn cute

11x16 + parallels

#japril #april x jackson #omg i needed this ep after 11x12 #11x16 #8x22 #10x14 #9x03 #9x06 #april and jackson #10x19 #parallels

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drsilverfish · 5 years ago

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The Rupture/ The Rapture - Subtextual Grammar and Castiel’s Relationship to Dean in 15x03

Hey everyone,

Catching up British time and just seen the ep, so looking forward to seeing all your posts and gifs shortly! Firstly, some musings of my own.

Has Berens’ ripped everyone’s hearts out already? That’s some pretty potent symbolism right there for heartbreak huh? (Sorry Ketch):

The Rupture recalls, in subtext, through visual symbolism, Castiel’s long narrative journey in relation to Dean. So that Dean and Cas’ break-up, already foreshadowed by Chuck and Amara’s “divorce” in Reno last week, at the end of the episode (for those following the symbolism) is given extra punch.

Firstly, the title, The Rupture 15x03 deliberately recalls, following Dabb’s ouroboros (circular/ spiral) narrative structure, The Rapture 4x20. That episode was critical for Dean and Castiel’s relationship. Castiel rebelled against Heaven and entered Dean’s dreams (his intimate space) in order to try to warn him about the angels’ plans by passing him a love note:

In the subtextual grammar of the show, that pier incident, has become a symbol of Dean and Castiel’s intimate connection. For example in 14x10 Nihilism, you can see a pier at sunset with a figure standing on it in the background on the wall, behind Dean’s mind-Pamela:

And remember, mind-Pamela profoundly represents Dean’s feelings for Castiel in that episode. Recall her costume, with the winged necklace and the T-shirt symbolising Dean’s salvation from Hell by Cas? And mind-Pamela, in Rocky’s Bar, is someone Dean wants, but thinks he can’t have.

Of course, Castiel was dragged back to Heaven and punished for his disobedience in 4x20 The Rapture, yet, eventually, as we know, he rebelled again and chose to help Dean over Heaven. So, when Berens recalls The Rapture in his episode title, The Rupture, it is to remind us just how much Castiel has sacrificed for Dean.

“I rebelled, and I did it, all of it.... for you” (5x02 Good God Y’All).

As Cas said to Dean last week, in 15x02 Raising Hell, what’s “real”, despite Chuck’s machinations?: “We are.”

Cas can see (at that point) that his connection to Dean has profound meaning, at least for him (a profound bond, indeed) because Dean helped Cas finally break free of Heaven’s control. Something (we learn in 8x21 The Great Escapist) that Cas had been trying over and over to do for aeons, only to be mind-wiped and re-programmed again and again. Naomi tries to torture re-programme Cas, yet again, in 8x17 Goodbye Stranger, by getting him to murder endless Dean clones in Heaven (making it very clear that the source of Castiel’s free will and resistance is his connection to Dean specifically). BUT Cas’ bond with Dean is too strong, and he breaks free of Naomi’s conditioning when faced with the real Dean, bloodied and on his knees, telling him: “I need you.”

If anything in Chuck’s multiverse symbolises free will it is Castiel’s rebellion against Heaven for Dean.

What Cas isn’t clear on, by 15x03, is that the “profound bond” continues to have any meaning for Dean himself. As he says, bitterly to Belphegor:

Cas: “Sam and Dean are just using you. Don’t mistake that for caring about you, because I an assure you, they don’t.”

Bel: “Wow, you learn that the hard way?”

The symbolism, of Castiel’s journey in relation to Dean, continues in 15x03 in the visual grammar, as we see Cas, literally, jumping into Hell:

which of course recalls what we all know so well - that Cas fought his way into Hell and rescued Dean from Alastair’s clutches and resurrected him:

Castiel (to Dean): “When we discovered Lilith’s plan for you, we laid siege to Hell, and we fought our way to get to you...” (4x16 On the Head of a Pin).

This shot of Dean and Cas together in 15x03, literally at Hell’s mouth, with a gravestone between them, likewise symbolises that event (Castiel’s resurrection of Dean from Hell) as well as the present “death” of their relationship:

So, it’s no accident that the magical object Castiel is tricked by Belphegor into retrieving from Hell in 15x03 is Lilith’s crook. Because (as in the 4x16 quote above) Lilith was the demon who worked to ensure Dean was dragged to Hell, to be broken by Alastair (whom Belphegor re-mentioned, also not by accident, in 15x01 Back and to the Future) thus breaking the first seal to jumpstart Lucifer’s return and the apocalypse.

All these reminders of Castiel’s significance to Dean, of Castiel’s salvation of Dean, of how they averted Chuck’s apocalpyse before (in S5), together, at the very moment of their break-up....

So, when we see Castiel on his knees in Hell, reluctantly singing a praise hymn in Enochian to Lucifer in order to achieve access to Lilith’s crook, aka magic horn? (Belphegor explicitly refers to the crook as a “horn”).

Well, in subtext, the magic horn (Lilith’s crook) can be read as a sexual metaphor.

This symbolism is the juxtaposition of the sacred and the profane - an angel at prayer in Hell.

And following the shot of Cas kneeling in Hell, we get this shot of Dean, looking down into the Hell-mouth...

A visual reversal of Castiel’s rescue of Dean from Hell in S4.

Castiel passes the “magic horn” to the demon wearing the body of his beloved son, Jack:

Jack who always, in subtext, symbolised the (forbidden) love between Dean and Castiel (his adoptive parents) because, as a Nephilim, he was the product of (forbidden) human-angel congress.

Here at the start of S15, we know Castiel is losing his angelic powers after trying to heal Sam’s God-wound, and the show has previously been quite clear that becoming human entangles Cas in the world of human sexuality. We’ve seen that in 5x04 The End with Castiel and the orgies he shares with Future!Dean:

And we also saw it (crudely drawn by Bucklemming) in 9x03 I’m No Angel, when newly fallen Human!Cas has survival sex with the Reaper possessing April (yes, ugh - consent issues all round):

Belphegor pleading with Cas in Jack’s voice reminds us of everything Jack meant to Cas. Cas, after all, once towed Heaven’s party line and regarded Nephilim as “abominations”. We saw that in 8x22 Clip Show, when Metatron inveigled Cas into killing a Nephilim, in order to obtain her heart, for his (subtext-heavy) angel-fall spell, and we also saw it in the flash-back sequences in 12x10 Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets when Cas believed Akobel deserved to die for (supposedly) fathering a Nephilim child with Lily.

What was once profane to Cas has become sacred.

Jack, and loving Jack, represented (among other things) for Castiel, some kind of accommodation with his own secret heart. If the child of an angel (Lucifer, no less) and a human could NOT be a monster, then maybe an angel loving a human might not be monstrous either, despite Heaven’s edicts.

But then Jack (apparently) killed Mary, and the Winchester family, whose always previously shaky membership (for Cas), Jack’s co-adoption with Sam and Dean had cemented for him, was blown apart.

In 15x03 Cas is forced to kill Belphegor wearing the body of Jack:

And the death of Jack’s Nephilim (human-angel union) image, becomes, in the visual grammar, a metaphor for the death of Castiel’s hope of any continuing union between him and Dean - the death, on Dean’s part, Cas believes, of the profound bond. Hence we get a corpse-shot:

And Castiel’s tears:

Castiel echoes (having absorbed them) Dean’s unkind (grief-stricken) words to him from 14x18 Absence, “You’re dead to me!”

Cas (to Dean): “I’m dead to you.” (15x03).

After everything they’ve been through together (to Hell and back, as carefully illustrated in the visual grammar of 15x03) Castiel has utterly lost hope that he has any remaining emotional meaning for Dean; without Jack, without Mary, without his powers.

Walking away (as the Winchester family signature music plays poignantly in the background) is a huge (and ultimately positive) step for Cas, who has, over the years, more and more built his identity and his meaning around his connection to the Winchesters, following his long rebellion against (and rejection by) Heaven. After everything Cas has been through (the narrative suggests) he deserves to be his own person, to be loved for himself (not his powers) and not to be taken for granted.

And so we are left with the LOUD narrative negative space of Dean’s silence at the end.

We can see Dean’s tense body language, in the final shot, half poised as if to spring forward, half frozen to the spot, as Cas leaves:

That silence in the narrative structure, which is mirrored in the symbolism of the ghosts/ demons being temporarily re-bottled up in Hell (like Dean’s feelings) as well as in the re-death of the feminine in the form of Rowena (because the feminine in the grammar of SPN = feelings) DEMANDS words, at some point down the road.

Last time Cas was human, Dean kicked him out of the Bunker (thanks to Dean’s coercive pact with Gadreel) and we saw Cas’ broken-hearted suffering over that break-up in 9x06 Heaven Can’t Wait (Berens’ very first episode for SPN):

This time, Cas has more agency. He decides to initiate the break-up, because his heart (and how very human of you, Cas) can’t bear being treated to Dean’s silence, Dean’s anger and Dean’s (apparent) indifference any longer.

Now, we need not only to see Dean come to his own broken-hearted realisation over this (reverse) break-up (after all, we’ve seen Dean broken-hearted over losing Cas, to death, before now) but for Cas to see that realisation, in Dean.

In The Rapture (4x20) we are told the story of how Castiel the angel came to take Jimmy Novak as a vessel - how the angel we know became conjoined to the human-form we best know him in:

In The Rupture (15x03) Castiel is losing his angelic powers again, moving once more towards inhabiting Jimmy Novak’s vessel, which is now his own body (Jimmy’s soul long-gone, and indeed that body destroyed and yet resurrected AS Cas, several times), as a human.

Last time Cas was human, Dean missed his shot. How about this time?

The Ouroboros narrative is taking its final turn.

My usual disclaimer: subtextual readings do not inevitably indicate or imply that textual romantic declarations will be forthcoming between Dean and Cas. That element of the story has been told in subtext for 10 years (and that’s where it quite likely will remain, in the terrain of ambiguity). Subtext IS however, part of narrative.

Nevertheless, an emotional reconcilliation of some sort, however readable as “brotherly”, comrades-in-armsy, nebulously “familial” etc. is, by story-logic, absolutely inevitable.

That which is parted will be re-joined - Chuck to Amara, Cas to Dean.

#Supernatural #15x03 #The Rupture #SPN meta #Meta #4x20 #The Rapture #Destiel #Still subtext #But subtext IS part of narrative #Long post for TS #If anyone is still using Tumblr Savr?

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sambergscott · 4 years ago

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Did you have a favourite long running storyline/killer with Bones. The Gravedigger, Gormogon, Pelant or other?

uhhhhhhhh Ok. so this is based on how much i like their episodes not them obvs and the higher they are on the list the more i hate them

1. pelant (7x13 and 8x22 are just. masterpieces. and hurt like a bitch but also they kept me on the edge of my seat sm!!!! so mr sir gets #1. also hate him the most like i can’t even see his face in any other show)

2. howard epps (i love the countdown to the execution ep like it’s so GOOD and also the one w the fire,,,, yeah)

3. gormogon (love how it’s weaved into all of s3 and also the s3 finale is one of my faves ever)

4. the gravedigger (obviously aliens in a spaceship is a Masterpiece but you don’t really see enough of them as a person compared to the others ya know??? it’s a lot more indirect)

5. guy from s12 whose name i can’t even be bothered to remember rn

#i feel like there are other like ~minor serial killers~ but out of the big ones #here ya go #niamh answers

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spneveryseason · 4 years ago

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if you were a writer on spn, what are five episodes you would've written? (like five new ones that would replace five existing episodes)

ANON I LOVE THIS SO MUCH ok ok ok so there’s a lot of eps I would scrap and replace BUT for the purposes of this I’d want to rewrite a few eps to follow a cohesive theme or concept and I’ve picked one of my least favorites: the meta episodes, specifically the existence of the supernatural books as written by Chuck. I don’t think they’re funny or cute so I’m gonna rewrite them in a way that makes them more palatable to me.

5. 4x18 The Monster at the End of this Book. So we begin with the one that started it all. We have to tread carefully here knowing what we know now about Chuck. Okay! So let’s establish first that in my AU Chuck is not actually God yet, he’s still a prophet. In this case, he’s started receiving visions about Sam & Dean and thought, huh. Maybe I should make these into a book series. He starts writing them, they fail miserably. And I mean miserably. Nobody likes them. He starts having an internal crisis bc this man is a WRITER and what is he without writing? So he starts showing up to the places in his visions for inspiration. And boom. He meets Sam and Dean there, all gets revealed.

4. 5x09 The Real Ghostbusters. Right, so as these books bombed massively there is no convention. Instead, Chuck (still a prophet mind you, by Swan Song this has changed) has stopped writing for profit and is instead getting visions and calling the brothers abt them. He’s one of their allies now (and his loss as the vessel of God later on hits hard). This is paralleled by God-as-writer later on, as Chuck is infinitely kinder to his “subjects” than god is bc he respects them enough not to make their stories public. Anyway, his girlfriend Becky reads his stories w/o his knowledge and finds the detail abt the Colt and contacts Sam and Dean abt it. Lots of conversations had abt agency and privacy in this retooled version.

3. 8x22 Clip Show. Surprised to see this one here? Unfortunately this one was also a victim to the stinky Winchester books plotline. Bc guess what? Crowley uses them to find previous people they’ve saved and starts killing them off. Those ppl would still be alive if not for these books. You know who else would still be alive? SARAH BLAKE. So. No books means Crowley takes another approach to breaking the Winchesters which means Sarah survives and maybe makes a fun cameo later but she doesn’t get killed off.

2. 9x04 Slumber Party. Yes, this one too. However, I suppose the change is more minor. Originally, Charlie gets hold of the books and reads them and knows all these intimate details without the Winchetsers’ permission. I put this one over the s8 one bc she knows at this point they they don’t want her to read them but she still does it. She also learns more about hunting from these books and is thus inspired to be a hunter. No books means Charlie is less interested in being a hunter than she was and so takes fewer risks, maybe refuses to do more in s10. This may play a role in the outcome.

1. 10x05 Fan Fiction. This episode straight up doesn’t exist. Bye! Instead we get a more straightforward 200 episode special. My vote is a flashback sequence that explores their past and we see many fun cameos in those sequences.

Top 5/top 10 anything

#aka I rewrite the Winchester gospels thing in a way that I like #it’s all in good fun though!#ask game #speaks #spn

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