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Jesse vangs transits + synastry with Elijah Vue

So there's still a lot we don't know about this case and it's actually taking a lot longer than I expected to find answers.. this case imo is def unique, bc this is the 1st time I have to really dissect everything to get even an ounce of info.

What I wanna do is pull up Jesse's natal chart and find out what transits he was having Feb 20th and then I'll be comparing his natal chart with Elijahs natal chart to see how they related to each other. So let's go

Let's start with Jesse vangs natal + transits Feb 20th 10:59AM

JV natal mercury transitting into the 8th house:

Very interesting. It could be that his thoughts were darker than usual during this time, he was more secretive, finding interest in more taboo things, sex was on his mind.. he was probably masturbating a lot imo bc mercury related to our hands and 8th house represents sexuality/sex. He was probably interested in like things related to crime, death and the dark side of life.. it's like he had endless questions about this things, researching them, watching darker shows/documentaries etc. This also tells me maybe he was thinking a lot about how to attract wealth, power, control.. trying to strategize. He could have also been more paranoid than usual and something to do with weird habits, doing things over and over, obsessing over little details, being somewhat compulsive.

JV natal Pluto square mars transit:

So not only this but I believe transit wise, Pluto was also squaring JVs natal mars so that intensifies this aspect. This was a new transit bc Pluto has just recently entered Aquarius so maybe this describes a new behavior, new events, new problems that entered his life. It's possible that he was just becoming increasingly irritable, dominating, abusive.. this could describe someone with the desire to be successful, powerful, dominate, influential even and with the square maybe they were having problems executing things which made them turn to abusive, manipulative, underhanded behaviors. They say this transit/aspect describes the natives often will treat other people ruthlessly with a lack of empathy. And I often see this in the charts of violent, abusers but like...to a scary extent.

For example Travis the chimp was having this aspect, it was either natally or transit but it was def there in the charts when I looked over his case. What happened was his owners friend was left to keep an eye on Travis and she tried to give him Xanax to calm him down and get him into his cage which only infuriated him even more and this caused him to rip her apart limb from limb.. like that's how aggressive/angry this transit can make someone. Like they often take any little hits to their ego crazy personal, so they can be very dangerous to be around during transits like these and even people who have this natally.

JV natal Venus + Uranus transitting into the 7th house:

Interesting...he's natal Venus is conjunct Uranus meaning he has always had an attraction to people who are different from him, different race, culture, personalities, looks. He was not the type of person who had those boring, expected, traditional relationships.. this being in the 7th house tells me maybe he was in an open relationship, possibly cheating was in his nature, weird relationship dynamics.

JV natal mars transitting into the 6th house:

He was probably very on point with cleaning everything, not leaving things behind, he had a lot of energy and focus to clean and get his health on track.. that's what this transit would describe.

Me personally when I have a transit in the 6th house I'm neater than usual and health focused. But idk how accurate this is for Jesse.

Moon transit opposite JV natal sun:

This one is a big transit. It's possible things were out of his control, he was unable to hide or control his habits, trauma, or keep things hidden.. this is one of those transits famous for making people more embarrassed, feeling exposed, and doing things they later regret. Moon is making us uncomfortable with the amount of attention were getting (sun). And it's something he wasn't able to find balance with. Maybe he was showing off or being reckless (sun/ego) and then the moon plays out as being protective over our vulnerable selves. But with opposition he wasnt able to successfully do that, out of his comfort zone.

As I was saying the redo reading for Elijah, maybe the regrets and embarrassment was from some things he did while he wasn't in his right mind, drunk etc.

Mars transit conjunct JV natal moon:

Maybe he was bolder than usual able to act on his impulses more, he felt rejuvenated in a way. He was feeling in his natural element at home possibly.

Pluto transit conjunct JV natal moon:

Controlling, power issues, especially at home he was more focused on having authority, controlling the energy/vibe/people, deep/powerful emotions and experiences. He could of also been very jealous and obsessive.

Neptune transit square JV natal Jupiter:

This tells me he could of been indulging in drugs, standards were lower, this transit I see often in cases where a person mixes diff drugs, overdoses, things like that. He was also confused during this time when it comes to his philosophies, aspirations, could of been delusional and unrealistic. Lost in the clouds.

Venus transit square JV natal Pluto:

This adds to the obsessions I mentioned above, he was def possessive, jealous, controlling, manipulative, prying into things he shouldn't be. Maybe he was either more obsessed with sex or with gaining material things like money, assets, power.

Chiron transit square JV natal sun:

One of Jesse's current wounds and insecurities was his whole entire being. Who he presented himself as to the public is what he was insecure about. Maybe he didn't feel masculine enough, interesting enough, entertaining enough, successful enough. He prob was fighting/had tension with a visible disability. Maybe he was severely unconfident

MC transit semisquare JV natal Neptune:

I feel like this is showing us that law enforcement knows so much about him now, all the secrets, basically all the stuff he thought he trashes and forgotten about, they're digging into everything.. they possibly found out he has a lot of drugs or something like that

Uranus transit sesquiquadrate JV natal mercury:

It could be that his thinking was unpredictable, he was often times inappropriate with the things he said/did, timing was off, erratic actions, thoughts were everywhere. He would shock people and make them uncomfortable bc they never know what to expect. He prob felt like he was doing something genius

Now to Elijah natal + Jesse synastry charts.

Ignore MC, AS, north node, Chiron basically ignore all the planets that aren't inner/outter. Everything from Pluto below should be ignored in both charts since we don't have birth time.

Elijah Pluto conjunct JVs sun:

Maybe Elijah transformed and affected Jesse in a big way, like their interactions caused a lot of change in his life and who knows if Jesse was ready for that. With this aspect there's no choice, the Pluto person would transform the sun person and vice versa. This was not a light hearted connection.

Elijah mars opposite JV mars:

This is interesting bc it shows that they may have almost had a connection where things felt natural bc one has what the other lacks. Like they complimented each other and found each other interesting/equal. This could of also since we are looking at a potential criminal/victim relationship, maybe they had very different motivations/passions from eachother. And if I'm being honest this could describe sexual attraction.

Elijah mars opposite JV Pluto:

I can see this playing out as an abusive relationship between them, Pluto person wanting to control the mars. Mars person is too immature, impulsive, uncontrollable to the pluto person, Pluto wants seriousness, commitment, loyalty..it could also point to conflict, violence.

Not sure how to interpret these mars opposite transits, I feel like they're def more bad than they are good. Bc oppositions are often what we see in couples relationships bc they exited eachother with their differences and all that. It's different in a crime chart so I'm gonna say more on the negative side is how these play out.

Elijahs saturn square JV mars:

I feel like this shows that Elijah himself was more mature than JV. JV was more reckless, impulsive, childish, aggressive.. and this made Elijah uncomfortable sometimes. Like he would be forced to go along with what JV wants, felt trapped around him or something like that. Maybe Elijah made JV feel insecure, like unintelligent, disrespectful, too brash/trashy. And Elijah was more reserved/serious around him.

Elijah mercury square JV Venus:

Maybe Elijah was all over the place, unorganized, looking through everything, he was a curious boy as he should be and JV is the Venus person who feels like he tries to have everything in a certain asthetic way, maybe he felt Elijah was often disturbing his peace, breaking things, making a mess, showing disrespect or something.

Elijah Pluto square JV mars:

A lot of conflict between them. Not good, they're both powerful in their own ways and when you put them together there's a lot of friction. Violence, abuse.

Elijah mars square JV moon:

It was often that Elijah would get on Jesse's nerves.. he triggered him, he was cranky, bitter. Like if someone is comfortable in their usual routine (moon person) mars comes in and disrupts that routine, making it so that JV is always bothered by every slight change. In crime charts this definitely shows abuse (mars) in the home or physical abuse to children too (moon)

This case has been kinda hard to understand, so if any other forensic astrologers would like to chime in and share with me anything they see that I haven't, id appreciate it.

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That's all I can get from this atm. Ty for reading if you got this far and if you're interested in seeing more posts like this from me follow the hashtag #forensicastrology <-no spaces

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Elijah vue transits that day 911 was called

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He still hasn't been found. Today marks exactly a week since we last seen him. There's so many theories being put out as to what could of happened to him bc none of us know anything. So what this will do is help me identify what Elijah was going through that day, possibly how he was feeling. I've done a forensic chart reading but I feel like it wasn't giving me exact details, so maybe this will help. Thankfully I got a birthday for Elijah and now we can compare it to the date/time he was said to go missing. Let's go

We have to ignore the asc, MC north node and houses in Elijah's chart since I don't know his exact birth time.

Mercury transit opposite natal sun:

Maybe he was having difficulties with motor functions, clumsy, brain fog, basically little annoyances through out this transit. Maybe he would get frustrated when things didn't work out ina specific way or maybe someone was getting frustrated with him. Basically this transit describes little annoyances that trigger egos, so like spilling milk, having accidents, making messes, computer not working suddenly, phone shutting off outta no where.. mercury is the little things, tasks, daily activities, walking, grabbing things, our thoughts/decisions. Sun is our ego, what's visible to others, maybe this day just wasn't his best when it comes to following the rules and being the perfect kid.

Capricorn Jupiter + Saturn transiting in the 9th house:

I think Elijah was always raised to do what he's told, he was always responsible from a young age or raised to be responsible sometimes against his own wishes. Maybe he was always praised for being a mature kid for his age and he would often get lucky when he was being a good kid. Transiting in the 9th house tells me travel, distance, religion...-PRAYING?

I just thought about that! Jesse vue apparently made Elijah pray and stand at the edge of the bed for hours as a discipline tactic. Not sure why this is showing up here.. but it also showed up in his 9/11 call too.

Maybe he knew that he would get lucky and that a would go smoothly if he just does what he was told, so praying/faith was a theme during this time. Like maybe he wasn't allowed to have too much fun but he was being forced to be responsible/mature.

His moon is transiting into the 5th house:

This is something to do with children, home, roots, habits, having fun, even drinking. Could describe alcohol with the 5th house here like someone getting drunk, partying, pleasure. Doesn't have to be Elijah doing these things, it's just a theme.

I feel like Elijah was a very active kid with a lot of energy, he may have kinda liked attention on him, may have been in the mood to have fun.. I wonder how his personality was or is. I'm curious if he was a hard headed kid who forgets what they're told and needs to be reminded multiple times or was it just the transit causing him to crave fun/playful time. It could also just be his environment with the rest of the aspects it seems he was being stopped from having too much fun and deep down that's all he wanted to do.

Apparently while he was in Jesse's care, he treated his home as a boot camp where Elijah wasn't allowed to have fun.. bc the whole point of him being over there is for disciplinary reasons and to teach him how to be a man. So maybe Elijah just had so much energy and it was hard not to let it out.

Moon opposite natal Neptune:

To cope with his situation in my opinion, Elijah was somewhat detached from what was happening or maybe exhausted by it. He was tired, out of it, confused, not seeing things clearly. He was very affected by his surroundings, didn't have strong boundaries, or know when he did a good thing vs doing a wrong thing, he basically believed whatever people felt. So for example if Jesse said "you're being bad!" Elijah would believe that he's being very bad even if that thing was subjective and minor. He didn't have an inner compass, ability to trust himself or understand others. I feel like he was kinda confused during this time, like unable to think for himself or know know how to self soothe..it could be that things were causing too much stress and affecting his health so even if someone was clearly telling him what to do, he would keep making mistakes. That's how bad things got, it was out of his control, no kid knowingly does things that would get them BEAT up, js. So it was deeper than being defiant.

I have moon square neptune in my natal chart and it basically plays out as me being confused when it comes to my emotions and it's so hard to make them clear for others to understand. It's like there's a disconnection with my conscience, intuition vs my physical self and true needs. Kind of like a little identity crisis in a way, it feels like that.

What's interesting about this particular transit Elijah was having is, sometimes you think just bc someone's a certain age, just bc they seem to understand/are competent, you never know what's really going on in the inside of that person. So for example, telling Elijah clearly "I want you to stop doing this and make yourself cereal and if not I WILL spank you" you would think their reaction would be fear and so they do exactly what is told, but sometimes people really arent ignoring orders or trying to be disrespectful.. they just genuinely are having a hard time accomplishing things. Whether it's confusion, insecurity, fear, delusional/idealism, escapism.. esp as a child, 3 years old and was expected to be perfect.

Natal mars in the 12th house:

This is very interesting. Elijah has an Aries mars so he was a very passionate, bold, loud, energetic kid, like if anything it was easy for him to get on peoples nerves around him bc mars Aries individuals are like fireballs, unlike libra mars who's a people pleaser, thoughtful, thinks before they act. Aries mars is the opposite they act before they do, they seem selfish, impulsive etc. So this could explain something when it comes to his behavioral issues he was having.

His mars in the 12th tells me he suddenly didn't have as much energy as usual, like he could of got sick, weak, not enough strength to be his lively, crazy self. Maybe he was unable to access that side of himself for some reason, basically the Martian qualities were being hidden for some reason.

Natal Venus in the 2nd/3rd house:

Interesting again. I feel like he was helping someone gain money, he was of value to someone bc Venus is our finances..maybe he was doing acts of service like cleaning, thinking for himself, making sure to do things that pleases others, being respectful, being graceful. Which is obviously something that doesn't come natural for Elijah with his Aries mars. 3rd house is like our actions, what we do with our hands, feet, time, communication. It can also show tasks involving his hands too that's what I'm getting from this.

I have a natal 3rd house sun and mercury, and I'm always keeping myself busy and instead of sitting in one spot I have to be doing something.

Mars transit conjunct natal Saturn:

He wasn't really able to be his martian, active, playful, assertive self as usual. During this transit it seemed that he had to control himself, be more cautious..

Conjunctions to Saturn are just as tough as squares imo. As someone with Saturn conjunctions natally, basically I was raised from a young age to be more in control of myself and I never really felt free to be me. That's similar to what a Saturn conjunct mars transit can feel like. This was a transit that is almost over for Elijah so that means this has been something he was dealing with for some time for like a month/ some weeks. Mars changes signs every month so it could of started at the beginning of the month, late last month.

Moon opposite natal Jupiter:

This one is rough, even I as a grown adult have trouble keeping up with my responsibilities, being strict, balanced. So this tells me that maybe things were harder than usual to basically tame himself, listen to what he knows he should be doing, this transit is known for lowering our standards in some way, being a bit reckless. So maybe he wasn't eating his food, maybe he was overindulging in things that brought him happy feelings, maybe he was too happy/confident, maybe he was just too much of every emotion he felt.

Typical kid things imo, kids are not meant to be robots or act like 40 year olds who've already lived life enough to learn right from wrong. He's just a kid, they're gonna make mistakes, be silly, make no sense, make messes.. if you don't let them do that than they're gonna have a very sad childhood. This also shows me that what his mom was saying about Elijah having behavior issues and sending him to Jesse's to teach him to be a man, this transit confirms that he was def more uncontrollable than usual.

Moon opposite natal Saturn:

Ugh. He was feeling alone, detached emotionally, outcasted, he saw that other people seemed to be happier than him and it made him feel more alone. He was depressed..

Saturn transit opposite natal mercury:

Clear as day. Someone was trying to control every single thing he did. They didn't want him to have too much fun, make too much noise, move too much, basically he wasn't able to do many things for himself like even get a cup of water or anything like that.

I feel like someone was heavily offended by Elijah, I wonder if he was a smart kid bc imagine being 3 years old and able to get under people's (grown adults at that) skin this bad.

**So I found an article about the caretaker/moms charges and it says that the bad behaviors Jesse mentioned deserved a time out was "getting into things" and apparently overfilling the diaper, but he couldn't specify any other behavior.. so basically implying, he couldn't share what else Elijah did to deserve to be punished most of his time there.

Chiron square Jupiter:

Something like an injury to his legs possibly or his waist and below. He was unable to travel, walk, be outside.. that's not good. Jupiter has universal themes, so imo something happened to where he wasn't able to do normal things that other kids were doing. He may have been aware of it too, like just watching other people enjoying themselves and he's unable to do the same.

Mars square natal Uranus:

I wonder if he was defiant. Like how bad could a 3 year old be. I'm curious to know what kind of behavior issues he was having before his mom took him to Jesse's house.

Moon square natal mars:

Parents irritated with him that's what this tells me. The home was unpeaceful, uncomfortable, combativeness.

That's all I can get out of this ATM. We will see how things go as the case develops more. Ty for reading.

And just so everyone knows, all I can do is read the charts and make interpretations based on how I see the signs and my intuition.. sometimes I'm on point sometimes I'm not, just like in any profession/job we all have our bad good days. Let's just hope my interpretation today provided something relevant to the case and I'm not just wasting my own time or contributing to conspiracy theories.

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