#edwin and the cat king? dead and also a man eating magic animal
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There's a handful of people on the internet rn who LOVE talking in circles about supernatural age vs "physical" age and whether or not real people deserve to be harassed on the internet for it but to be completely honest. First of all there's no winning there just block these people. Second of all that's like the least weird least concerning part of like ANY of the relationships in the show no matter which one they've decided is problematic for it
#charles and Crystal? charles is literally dead#edwin and the cat king? dead and also a man eating magic animal#anything with esther? literal serial killer#Monty and Edwin? edwin said it himself he's a crow#seen people calling payneland problematic because of the 70 year gap and the age they met but the codependency is a much bigger issue imo#dbda#dead boy detectives#and I've seen all of them get weird nasty discourse#it's almost like people want an excuse to call a queer show MEANT FOR ADULTS groomer propaganda and they're using the puriteens to do it
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So there's this character in Dead Boy Detectives.
He's:
Attractive
Flirts shamelessly with Edwin
Makes physical advances toward Edwin
Makes Charles jealous and "gets in the way of the main ship"
Is of indeterminate age but is possibly decades or centuries old
Can transform into an animal.
And it's this guy:
AND YET I have never seen any discourse calling Monty a creep and a predator.
Unlike The Cat King, he even kissed Edwin suddenly and without explicit consent. He also lied, manipulated and betrayed all of them and nearly got them killed. Yes, he said he didn't know Esther was planning on destroying them. But c'mon, it's Esther.
Somehow though, the fandom vilifies The Cat King more than Monty. I think the reason why is worth a long, hard look in the mirror.
The biggest difference between the two is TCK's sexual nature and his in-your-face queerness. Those are two things that have been historically vilified and othered about gay/queer men.
Even these days, through the whole "no kink at pride" discourse, this argument continues through respectability politics.
Simply put, a short little twink with a crush is a non-threatening gay man, while TCK with his overt sensuality and gender non-conforming clothing represents a threat. Monty's advances are seen as cute, while TCK's are predatory, even though Monty propositioned Edwin with a kiss as surely as TCK overtly propositioned him.
If TCK's sexually-charged flirting bothered you in a way that Monty's advances didn't (despite the fact the audience knew that at least at first, Monty's advances were a big old lie) ask yourself why that is. The reason is probably that you were taught to fear and vilify overt displays of queer sexuality . Even queer people need to unlearn this particular bias.
And just to cover all the bases, I will shout again that The Cat King is a fae/trickster and that Edwin's punishment was proportionate in that context. Edwin used magic and confined a creature he knew to be as intelligent as a human and was punished for it with a very long leash and a (totally doable) task. It was a task designed to make Edwin see the cats as individuals instead of tools to help him close a case. The sort of fiction that DBD has its roots in (and the source material) is full of these sort of eye-for-an-eye type of punishments with magical creatures.
Just to be clear, I don't think we should be vilifying Monty, either. You can't 1:1 fictional scenarios onto real life and apply our standards of morality to them, especially not in a setting with man-eating mushrooms, ghosts, and transforming animals. All the conflict these two characters brought to the plot was necessary. If everyone acted with perfect morality all the time, fiction would be incredibly boring.
And IF you did apply RL standards to fiction, you would have to acknowledge that Edwin's crime of binding and forcing a fully sentient being to give him information violated just as much consent as TCK putting that bracelet on Edwin. And that Monty was just as "predatory" as The Cat King, if not more so. The Cat King, at least, never lied to Edwin, while everything about Monty was a lie from the start.
#dead boy detectives#dbda#the cat king#the cat king discourse#cat king discourse#fandom meta#dbd meta#dbda meta#monty the crow
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