#edgar of gloucester

[edettethegreat]

king lear is just an extended psa for why reading other peoples' mail is a felony

[billiuspendragon]

I always find myself comparing characters from other media to Saiki K characters, and I think the stupidest time this happened was when I was studying King Lear and decided that Kurumi was Gloucester, Edmund was Kusuke and Edgar was Kusuo Saiki.

[gonerilgirleril]

"Who am I?"

"Lear's shadow"

[sotruefeste]

something about king lear that I think is so funny but I hate laughing about is when edgar/poor tom leads earl of gloucester to the cliff and he thinks he’s jumping off the cliff but really he just face plants into the ground because he’s blind (due to eyes being gouged out) it makes me wheeze

[boyfriendyke]

king lear is a fucking wild play it doesnt tell you where any of the scenes take place and theres very little stage directions so i didnt realize until i read a footnote that one of the characters PLUCKED OUT A MAN'S EYE AND THEN STOMPED ON IT

[bcynumbertwo]

in my eyes the gloucester brothers are a package deal. you cannot like one without the other. edmund may be your fav shakespeare villain but if you don't care for edgar at least a tiny bit.. What Is Wrong With You (joke)

[lizardrosen]

i also had a completely joking theory that the man from nineteen years ago fell through a crack between stories and became Edmund the Bastard from king lear, and gloucester just looked at this mystery baby and went "i don't want this" and a few decades later fell off a cliff of his own :D

real talk though, the man from nineteen years ago would have a lot of empathy for edmund, and so would beatrice. also edgar is 100% a witch of illusions; he was able to make a blinded gloucester believe he was dying, after all!

[edettethegreat]

edmund and edgar both profiling each other incorrectly

edmund stating that edgar wouldn't suspect anything because he's too good and too innocent to suspect someone plotting against him

edgar knowing immediately that whatever's going on must be someone's intentional scheme to harm him, but not suspecting that edmund was the one behind it

both of the gloucester brothers being wrong about each other, SPECIFICALLY by their beliefs that the other is a good and honorable person

[edettethegreat]

honestly the most correct Edgar Post ever

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[storkmuffin]

Liveblogging the SanHwa Lego Build (Part 2)

You can find PART 1 HERE

requested by @jess-the-mess2513

We pick up where our Iago - no, I guess not Iago because Iago wasn't hot - who???- uhh Edmund, bastard son of Gloucester (who by the way was my first literary crush so apparently my sexual tastes have not evolved since I was an incredibly perverse 13 year old) i.e. YUNHO has taken off with glee with some critical little piece of San's Lego in his pocket.

(TLDR in case you don't want to google Shakespeare's King Lear: Edmund is the bastard son of the Earl of Gloucester who takes revenge on his father who never sees him by getting someone else to gouge out his dad's eyes, forces his properly-born older brother into a life as a beggar by creating strife between his father and brother, because he's so mad about being treated badly as a bastard though never by Edgar, fucks both Regan and Goneril, sisters of (the frankly, deeply stupid) Cordelia and daughters of King Lear who are for a time the joint queens of the nation and both married to compatible husbands because he's just that devious and hot... OK So basically he's Evil Yunho. Ummmm. Excuse me. I have to go kick something.)

Even without Edmund/Yunho's assistance, Seonghwa continues to make the strange mouth noises as he clips the Lego pieces together.

This breaks San's neck.

Seonghwa WILL NOT LET UP. He keeps going "chiki- chaka" in this horrible falsetto.

"Are you doing it too?" he asks San.

San is just the sweetest sweetheart to ever have a sweet heart, because he says, "Yes," which is a lie, and then adds in a tiny little voice, "in my mind."

Seonghwa is absolutely undeterred and he's a FUCKING PERVERT AND ALL YOU SEONGHWA STANS STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MEEEEEEE because he goes

CHIKI CHAKA again.

San is about to cry. "Do you have to do that??" But he's smiling through it, trying to hold on.

"Yes. Chaka," Seonghwa says.

San asks if there some sort of song or something that goes with the phrase, and Seonghwa says he doesn't actually have any idea what it stands for. Which means he's doing it exactly for the reasons I thought: Hwa intuited what would be horrible for San, and it worked, so he doesn't want to stop.

San, who loves music, wants to get out of this cringe hell that Hwa keeps dragging him into. Seonghwa also loves music so for a minute he sings a snippet of a song. San, relieved, asks about what songs are permitted in a Youtube broadcast. "You can sing or use a song, but you won't be allowed to distribute it on youtube at the point of upload."

Hwa says, wisely, "When in doubt, it's better to refrain."

San agrees, but is sad about reality. "If we can't use music, I don't get to create the mood I want."

"What's the mood you want?" Hwa asks. "Chiki?"

"THAT'S NOT THE MOOD I WANT," San says. I'm putting it in all caps but he's not shouting. He's just really definite.

"Something slightly... like Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence? Something nice to listen to when you're reading." San says this and then tells someone to not laugh. "Don't laugh at me. Mister Christmas, Mister Lawrence, is a piano song that's great to listen to when you're reading. I recommend it."

"You read?" Hwa asks.

San affirms.

"I can recommend something too," Hwa says, and he looks at San with the leer of a sexual deviant. San is worried.

Seonghwa starts bing bonging a song at him. I don't know it, but San does. It's apparently the theme song to a video game. (Animal Forest?) San chides Hwa for playing that game too much.

Chiki.... Hwa says. San tries to accommodate him and says Chikichakchoco etc.

San addresses the audience and recommends that we look up the song he mentioned. He says it's really lovely, and sets a mood. He always wants to help an Atiny out, does San. He's wonderful. A little bit later he wishes that it was possible to hold a lottery or something and gift these Lego finished items to the Atiny. Seonghwa of course does not give a shit what happens to the Atiny vis a vis Legos since we can't sit in a room and make it with him. I mean, I'm sure there are Seonghwa ults who are all into this as much as he is, but the point is that the person making the lego with Seonghwa has to kind of hate Legos and be forced into it and an Atiny who is excited about making Legos with Seonghwa wouldn't be fun for him. So instead of agreeing with San's very sweet suggestion, Seonghwa makes a terrible pun (여건 - yeo-gun is circumstance, 여권- yeo-gwun is passport) that San roundly ignores.

Seonghwa goes back to Chiki-Chaka-ing.

I want to throttle him through the screen.

"Are you doing a good job? " Seonghwa asks.

"Yes," San says again. Seonghwa is getting off on this but San doesn't know why.

"Yes," San answers in his little boy pout.

"Are you? Doing a good job?" Seonghwa repeats, looking crazed.

And we come to the crisis point.

San can't find the piece. Because FUCKING EDMUND BASTARD SON OF GLOUCESTER TOOK THE EYES.

I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD I AM LIVEBLOGGING THIS

I WROTE THE BIT ABOUT EDMUND BASTARD SON OF GLOUCESTER TAKING OUT HIS FATHER'S EYES 10 MINUTES OF CONTENT AGO AND IT TURNS OUT YUNHO TOOK THE FUCKING EYESSSSSSSSS

I'm so scared you guys. What the fuck. What in the actual fuck.

Ok back to the show.

omg my hands are shaking.

Ok so Seonghwa takes this missing Lego piece business very seriously. He stops Chiki-Chaka-ing. His whole demeanor changes. He starts looking for it, then looking through the manual, then examining the piece that San has mostly constructed to seek out user error. San, so tired of this he's just laughing constantly, asks the audience for help, but he doesn't stop to read the messages, which I'm sure are full of people screaming YUNHOO YUUUNHOOO

San checks the floor (there are no fallen pieces of course) and Seonghwa is doubting the whole of his existence because the manual is saying something from the number of pieces available on the table.

San has the thought first.

"Did Yunho take... it?"

"Ahh," Seonghwa says. Seongwha is laughing and relieved because his faith in Legos is restored, but San is stressed at having been the butt of this prank.

"I'm going to lose my mind," San says, before saying, "I'll go get it from him."

In response, Seonghwa says, CHICKI. Because of course he does.

Off screen, we can hear San telephone Yunho, who starts cackling loudly enough to be overheard. "I know you took the Lego piece! I was trying to give the creature eyes and the eyes aren't here! Come down right now!" Yunho says stuff. "You're-- you're washing yourself??" San says. He says something I don't understand but it's along the lines of, "You set this up - with taking the eyes? Making me search for them?" Then he says he's going to put Yunho on speaker phone. He's so mad he's stuttering. "You're- Psh! Are you drunk"

Now, speakerphone is on.

"Where are you?" San wails.

"I'm in my room. Where else would I be?" Yunho says. His voice is low and growly and hard and this is not the Boy Geisha Fan Service tone he uses on his own ToqTok Pop Live. This must be how he actually talks to the people in his real life.

"You! Give me back the thing you tooooo~~~k!!" San wails.

While San is fighting for his life with an eyeball abducting terrorist, Seonghwa has finished his Lego and he's so pleased. He had company while he was making his Lego piece, which is his thing.

Yunho threatens San and I understand what he must have been saying before: "If you want Yoda's Eyes, Use Toss!" he says. Toss is the app that you can use to send people money. He's holding the eyeballs hostage, basically. Because he's Edmund, Bastard Son of Gloucester.

"You have no morals!" San says. (Accurate). "I'm going over there right now if you don't come here!"

"I'm not in a state where you can go to that room, over," Yunho says.

"Why?" asks the innocent San. "What are you up to?"

He's probably buck naked, San, angel baby.

Seonghwa is completely in manic mode, showing us Darth Vadar, Lego Chibi Version, going "I Am Yor Fadda" in between wa-ching!! noises. He is resolutely not helping San with this Yunho eyeball hostage terrorism situation, because the longer Yunho drags this out for him, the more he can get his rocks off.

SOMEONE SAVE SAN, PLEASE!!

San accepts whatever it is that Yunho gave as the answer, which I can't hear because Seonghwa is making Star Wars noises. This has to be another perversity he's exhibiting. He has to know there are Hottok in here, who want to hear what State Yunho Is In, but this is not part of is Lego Queer Dungeon Dom good times, so he won't let us hear it.

Still very much off screen, San resignedly says that he'll go over to where Yunho is. Yunho lets out a Mwa-ha-ha of a cartoon supervillain, and says, "Use the force to come to me."

"I'm hanging up now!" San retorts.

San comes back on screen. Look at what the two perverts did to the sweet angel boy. This is the most pained smile ever to grace so handsome a visage.

"You sit here and make it," Seonghwa instructs him. "I'll go."

"You make it," San says, "and I'll go."

"Just make some other part," Hwa begins, but San is on his feet.

"No! I am going to go get this friend's eyes back myself. This is a matter of pride."

"You're a man who knows how to use his words well," Hwa says.

Because this is another aspect of this fucking Lego Kink that Seonghwa has. Someone playing a quasi-military roleplay with him, while handling Legos. He's so into this.

"I will find this friend's stolen eyes!" San declares.

"May the force be with you," Seonghwa replies.

I'm . Just going to .

Swallow my Own tongue.

And Imma.

Fucking DIE.

"While he does that and before I make the Obiwan Kenobi, I will chat with you," Seonghwa says. He starts reading the messages, which as I suspected are all about YUNHO TOOK THE LEGO PIECE. Seonghwa says he hasn't watched Mandelorian yet because he's watching a Korean drama called 환혼. Very leisurely, very pleased, Seonghwa goes to get Pringles and some other sort of cookie for snack time. While eating, he reads out simple English comments that are complimentary about his Legos.

San has returned with the eyeballs.

He reports that Yunho took both eyeballs. To this, Seonghwa answers, "Want to see something funny?"

San wants to hit him again.

Seonghwa goes off camera to wipe his hands, and returns to offer San an apple, which San refuses. Seonghwa reports that as soon as San left the screen everyone was wild for him to return.

"Yunho was so cute," San relays. "He got bright red, and explained, I was only going to take one but then I saw there was a spare one, so I took the other one. So he showed me both that he'd taken and just looked so happy." Seonghwa isn't making Legos right this moment, so San asks if he's waiting to keep pace with San. Seonghwa says No, he's just communicating with the fans.

Someone asks how they like Denmark, and they both say they like it. It's really peaceful. Lots of bicycles. Sans says it's been so long since he's been on a bike, and Hwa asks if he didn't used to go riding a lot with Wooyoung. San tells the story of how they rode bikes from Seoul all the way to Chuncheon for chicken ribs and back again. Seonghwa is impressed.

"San, don't be stressed," someone says to San on the chat, with Seonghwa reads.

"I'm in a very good mood right now," San says.

"Why?" Seonghwa says. And immediately attacks him with Chiki-Chaka.

"I feel like I'm achieving piece of mind," San says.

"The sense of achievement you feel when you complete-" Seonghwa begins, and San reaches that achievement in real time and goes OOOHHH!

Seonghwa urges Sannie to give baby Yoda the ears. San reaches that point and says, Oh It's cute.

For some reason, though he is done, there are bits left over. The Baby Yoda fits in the Egg Pram or whatever that is, and Seonghwa makes San show it off to the audience.

Seonghwa flips the ears on the Baby Yoda to make him sad. San tries to get into it, but he's so worn out.

"How do you like the world of Legos?" Seonghwa asks.

"It's so great that you held on to your childlike sense of wonder," San says. San is just so, so nice. I want to keep him in my mouth for protection. San even says that they should make the next one.

They go about pouring out bags of pieces again. San is going to make Obiwan, San the Mandalorian.

.... Which means we're only halfway through this and there's ANOTHER HOUR TO GO.

Do I have the strength to go on??

[anghraine]

I was talking to my students and then some family members about how the death of Elizabeth I and succession of James was necessarily an occasion of upheaval, even when it wasn't necessarily violent or flirting with treason or whatever. For one, the death of a monarch that will lead to a new dynasty (even a related one!) is not quite the same as a familiar figure inheriting the country's rule from their parent or grandparent. It's usually a bigger change, with dynamics of loyalties and affiliations shifting around—that's part of the reason Elizabeth delayed acknowledging James as her heir.

Typically, you'd see courtiers etc deserting a dying monarch in order to signal their loyalty to the new monarch, even if the old one wasn't actually dead yet. Elizabeth's reluctance to share royal power was fundamental to her reign and her public image, so it's not at all surprising that she would be loath to encourage that kind of desertion in any particular direction.

Of course, another thing that complicates the Elizabeth -> James succession is that she had reigned for a long time (44 years iirc). By the time she was dying, a good number of English people had few personal memories of life under any other monarch, and those who did would remember the abrupt and unstable reigns of her predecessors, Edward and Mary. So James's accession came with uncertainty about what exactly it would entail, and a lot of late Elizabethan/early Jacobean drama in English is very concerned with questions of what obligations the governed owe to their monarchs (obedience? loyalty? are those always the same thing?), but also what obligations monarchs themselves have to their people.

This seemed especially pertinent to Lear, in which multiple characters defy capricious orders from a monarch or other authority out of loyalty: Kent challenges Lear and is banished, so skulks around in disguise to continue serving him, Edgar also skulks around in disguise after Gloucester renounces him and ends up offering what comfort he can to his father, and Cordelia returns to Britain with the French army in her ultimately futile attempt to help Lear. Meanwhile, Lear loses everything, is driven to take shelter in a peasant hovel, and starts to contemplate how his own failures as a king resulted in, well, peasant hovels.

Anyway, now I'm thinking about what a wild figure Elros must have been as, specifically, a monarch to the Númenóreans. He lived for five hundred years. Even his own children (also half-Elves! sort of!) and other descendants who benefited from his lifespan didn't live as long, and most Númenóreans during his earlier reign wouldn't have come near to it. Undoubtedly there were Elves who had known Elros in the First Age who were baffled at him choosing mortality and DEATH, and meanwhile on Númenor, there are all these people living out their extended lifespans under the reign of a half-Elf king who was ruling their people at their birth and would still be ruling after they died of old age. We know Elros retained his half-Elvish characteristics as well, so they've got this visibly Elvish, barely-aging, eternal king who looks like Lúthien as part of the fabric of life for centuries.

Yes, he's literally the first king—but for a lot of earlier Númenóreans, he's also the only king they will ever know. It takes him an incredibly long time to weary of the world as other mortals do. By the time Elros finally gets weary of Arda, and willingly lays down his life and passes to the unknown fate of mortals, Tar-Amandil is stepping into some very big shoes.

[gonerilgirleril]

The Gloucester family- I love this one

[billiuspendragon]

Omg omg wait I just thought of something. Shakespeare plays always have that thing where a character in disguise is never recognised even if the disguise is really fucking shitty. And Saiki K has that gag where certain people are unable to recognise him if he like, wears different glasses.

What if, like Edgar hides out pretending to be a mad beggar, Saiki runs off and pretends to be like. ¥100 Man. And his parents don't recognise him. I'm –

imagine Saiki K but it's a King Lear crossover and Kuniharu gets his eyes gouged out as some kind of poetic justice for failing to see which of his sons were evil

[artemlegere]

Susannah Maria Cibber (née Arne) as Cordelia

Artist: Pieter van Bleeck (Dutch, 1700–1764

Date: 1755

Medium: Oil on canvas

Collection: Yale Center for British Art, New Haven, CT, United States

Description

Pieter van Bleeck was a Dutch-born portrait painter and engraver and the son of the portraitist Richard van Bleeck. Both the father and son relocated to London in the 1720s. This remarkable painting by the younger artist depicts a scene from Nahum Tate’s late seventeenth-century adaptation of William Shakespeare’s King Lear, when Edgar - son of the Earl of Gloucester - darts in from the right disguised as a madman in order to protect Cordelia, whom he will later marry, and her confidante Arante from two ruffians. The actress Susannah Maria Cibber made her first appearance as Cordelia in 1746 and was, at the time of her death in 1766, the highest paid actress at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane, earning only slightly less than the celebrated actor David Garrick.

[boyfriendyke]

i cant believe im shakespeare posting but that one post thats like "not actively suicidal tshirt is garnering a lot of questions already answered by the tshirt" is gloucester