#dw this wont become a regular thing i just thought this was interesting

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just finished sarah z's proship vs antiship video and i really like her ending statement:

she essentially says if she would make one recommendation to improve the discourse regarding problematic media and the consumption of these pieces of media, it would be to abandon the labels of proship and anti. they only serve to boil down a pretty complex argument with many grey areas and coexisting opinion to 2 camps, so if you agree on one stance with either camp you must agree to all of what they say and thats pretty stupid

i also like the part where she talks about how the current discourse somewhat requires people to provide moral backing on why they like or dislike a certain piece of media. she talks about it at around 1:29:00 in the video, bouncing off the topic of the "dont like, dont read" mindset and framing the discussion around that. id really recommend watching the video but if you dont want to or cant at the moment ill sum it up best i can:

because of the way social media works now, people get recommended stuff they dislike or dont want to see all the time (bc of algorithms, twitter's desire to push outrage culture for clicks and interactions, poor filtering, etc etc) so if someone dislikes smthn and has to see it all the time, it plays into the need to morally justify your dislike of it and convince other people that not only is it not something that you want to look at, but it is something no one should be looking at, period.

she also says at another point (cant remember where srry) that this idea of moralizing your interests is also due to how our current culture is so based around consumption that our consumption must be tied to our very existence and core beliefs.

overall i think it was a really interesting watch and really gives foundation to some stuff ive been thinking about recently. for example: the ship of naruto and sasuke. one could call it an abusive ship due to the fact that sasuke repeatedly tries to kill naruto, pushes him away and otherwise brings him and their friends harm, but within the context of the story his reason for doing so is because naruto is the person who he has the deepest bond with. if this situation was translated into real life, sasuke would probably just be pushing naruto away or avoiding him rather than actually trying to kill him, because of course if he were doing that in the context of real life that would be fucked up, but you have to take it within context of the story. if taken out of context of the story and just looking at their backstories and personalities, the dynamic that would exist be very interesting and something many would enjoy seeing together.

that got a little rambly but the point is, there are countless reasons someone could or could not ship something and even if one person is uncomfortable with it or just doesnt like it for whatever reason, it doesnt have to be morally wrong or labelled as abusive (which is a term i think gets thrown around way too often).

the most important point sarah makes is that the creation of content regarding a certain topic or issue does not equal endorsement, and many of the points that 'proshippers' and 'antis' make are statements and opinions that can coexist

TL;DR: drop the labels of anti/proship, acting like this is a 2 camp argument is stupid. idk how to tldr the rest of it so just look at the bolded portions or just watch the video its pretty good and she makes it as easy to follow as she couldve

DNI if you ship pedo stuff this aint about you