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this is how hosea and dutch felt when they got arthur
#rdr2#dutch and hosea parenting#hosea and dutch’s sweet boy :3#arthur morgan#hosea matthews#dutch van der linde
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i’d feel so proud if i was dutch/hosea bc i fed my boy and grew up strong!!
Do y’all ever wonder if Dutch and Hosea knew they were going to raise an absolute UNIT like Arthur? Like he was once a skinny and rambunctious 14 year old street orphan and they took a chance on him and fed him as he grew into a fucking BEAST who is arguably bulkier than the two of them combined, and has become the main brawn of the gang.
This is basically just an Arthur Physique appreciation post but GOD DAMN.
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I like to imagine hosea and dutchs reunion in the afterlife is like marty and alex’s reunion in madagascar where they run to each other both seemingly excited but then dutch realises hosea looks kinda pissed and hosea just starts chasing him trying to beat the shit out of his stupid husband for what he did to their sons
#dutch van der linde#hosea matthews#van der linde gang#vandermatthews#incorrect rdr2#arthur morgan rdr2#arthur morgan#arthur and hosea#dutch x hosea#rdr2 dutch#hosealoveshisstupidhusband#john marston#madagascar#incorrect red dead#incorrect red dead redemption 2 quotes#incorrect van der linde gang#afterlife#post game#hoseaisaprotectivedad#incorrect hosea matthews#parent hosea matthews#silly little guy#so silly#tiredcowboyys shenanigans
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"I was gonna say you're like a son to me.. but you're more than that."
"It ain't that complicated!"
How quickly that shoulder pat of comfort turned into a condescending one.
#he makes me feel so emo#this life was never meant for you but your fate was forced#the way dutch (and hosea) talks to arthur like he's stupid will never sit right with me#like they've been by his side over 20 years they KNOW he isn't stupid because if he was he would have been gone a long time ago#not only is arthur incredibly emotionally smart but he's a trained conman vault breaker gunslinger horse rider you name it#the fact that his own adoptive parents break him down like that hurts#it's a manipulation tactic on dutch's end - break your victims self esteem to make them chase your praise and approval#hosea I believe has just gone along with that kind of attitude but in a different way he just likes to jest lightheartedly#arthur doesn't see the difference though and it's understandable but he takes it to heart#the worst part is that hosea sees through his tough guy act and has called arthur out on it#his act is a defence mechanism to protect himself from being too vulnerable - in arthur's mind#and it isn't a sudden thing it's very likely something that has built over the years given the life he has lived#and hosea notices he knows this#but they still jab at arthur#oh it hurts#is he your son dutch? or is he your guard dog? your personal workhorse?#playing through the second time is opening my eyes more and more#rdr2#red dead redemption 2#mick squeaks#mick rants#mick gifs#arthur morgan#dutch van der linde#liveblogging#you guys gotta understand - arthur seeks and longs for dutch's approval he'll never say it but it's the key motive behind his loyalty#and arthur *rejects* dutch's comfort#he doesn't *want* dutch to pat him on the shoulder because he knows dutch is digging them an even deeper hole#he doesn't want that touch he craves#it's so insanely monumental for such a small scene because it shows us how arthur feels without telling us
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hosea and dutch mean so much to me😭😭😭😭😭 they love their kids
"Dutch isn't Arthur's father!!"
Also Dutch: "You are quite the gentleman mister Morgan, I raised you well."
I love a good father/son bonding moment before one leaves the other to die❤️
#rdr2#dutch and hosea parenting#hosea and dutch’s sweet boy :3#arthur morgan#tilly jackson#john marston#dutch van der linde#hosea matthews
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Name of the Game, Boy | Dutch & Arthur
Tags: Young VanDerMatthews and Arthur fluff, Dutch teaches Arthur how to roll a cigar; Hosea's not really present Word Count: 2.3k A/N: Have a Cigar by Pink Floyd, while on the nose, is unexpectedly fitting overall. I'm a cigarette aficionado myself, so I did my best to describe an unfamiliar process.
They've been cornered between city-smog and marsh-heat for days now. Tents were pitched under the shade of a grove, but when its the air that is assaulting them, there's not much the penetrable material of their enclosures can do. It's times like these he wishes they had found somewhere abandoned to shack up, even if it didn't have all four walls.
Hosea's lungs were beginning to struggle with the thickness, and the dampness. Dutch worries. He would have protested his going hunting if it weren't for the emptiness of their metaphorical pantry, and would've joined if it weren't for Arthur. What food's left has wandered off via the saddlebags on his horse, most certainly to the find the nearest watering hole and non-mudstuck grass to graze on. Hosea dislikes them being out of sight, but Dutch's only complaint is his things being carried into the wind.
His upper lip was soaked in sweat when he woke up — hardly unusual, but positively unbearable with the thick hair trapping every bit of it. The same could be said of where his back and behind were drenched in sweat when Hosea roused him to announce his early morning hunt.
While it's still cool out, he said. Even in half-sleep, Dutch laughed.
Always the reasonable one, the older man continues to insist that long sleeves keep the sun off and, therefore, they will sweat far less if they wear them.
Arthur can listen to him all he wants. Maybe, just maybe, he has a point somewhere in that advice.
But Dutch has been feeling choked in anything beyond his singlet. He cropped the sleeves off in their first days wandering this area and, being comfortably outside of society, has worn nothing but his shirt and trousers since they set up proper camp. His arms are beet red and bubbling with burns from the sun, but at least he can feel those rare breaths of relieving wind right on his skin.
Hosea's eyes wander, too. Pleasant, besides the additional heat of them.
The kid is already sitting in his tent with the flaps open when Dutch peels himself from the bedroll once and for all, a modest-sized tin in hand to roll himself a morning smoke. Sleep here is fitful and yet hard to swim out of, like a limbo, even with the sun coming up on its early noon position.
Across the yard or two between the tents, he can tell Arthur is dozing off with his eyes open; he's been growing suspicious that the boy has heat poisoning, his usual alertness having faded into something almost docile — if such a word could ever describe that scrappy mutt of a teenager.
"Mornin', mister," Dutch greets, seating himself between the men's tent and the dead campfire.
He looks up from where he was lazily picking the dirt from beneath his nails with his pocket knife. "Mornin'."
For such a young man, his voice is getting gruff, and fast. Dutch feels a twang of pride thinking on how its dropped since they took him in, as if he has any right to feel that fatherly way.
Even if he tries, the situation doesn't feel... committal enough to warrant himself a label which so many men desire. His mock-son could scurry off any time to try his hand at another orphanage, at finding some wealthy family with a nice homestead who will pity him. They wouldn't, but Hosea and Dutch could just as easily abandon him in his sleep or send him on a goose chase while they flee.
Their relationship isn't tied the same a father and his offspring's is. One mistake from either party, and it could be gone without nearly the same sorrow. Dutch grows older and softer by the day, but he fears wiser is not part of that.
Hosea suits the role of patriarch just fine; the youngin' has begun to say something like Pa and quickly changed his mind with a flush once or twice. In those moments, Dutch always jealously wonders what type of father he'd be.
Is he a Pa, too, perhaps an Old Man? Maybe he could be Daddy, the way his father was to him. Will Arthur ever call him anything but you old coot and yessir?
He's grown fond of the damned critter, and he seems to have met the age where most men feel a certain emptiness in their bachelorism.
Eyes are burning into him as he pops the tin lid and takes out the beginnings of his first cigar: a bundle of tobacco leaves and a bottled shot of whiskey for moistening them. It needs refilled when they cross the next saloon.
The pre-rolls he purchased in Saint Dennis have already molded in the heat, much to his dismay.
Looking up from the bunch of tobacco he's binding to absentmindedly check the horizon for Hosea, he finds Arthur turning his eyes down fast at nothing in particular.
"What's on your mind?" He asks, amused.
Arthur rarely turns away when he's caught watching something; in fact, he seems to stare harder as if to assert his authority. It'd be impossible to say he weren't Dutch's kin, if it weren't for that mop of dirty blonde hair and those blue eyes.
"Nothin'."
"Naw, come on, son."
How he perks up at the name is mostly imperceptible, but it softens Arthur's face as it softens Dutch's sudden, self-imposed jealousy of Hosea.
Raising on gangly legs — still so, even after being fattened with some of Hosea's best game meat — Arthur comes to stand before Dutch, hands stuck in the pockets of his trousers.
"That a cigar?" He nods to the roll in his hand. The question doesn't seem to warrant the interest, but he lets Arthur be timid about his real intent.
"Yessir," Dutch says. He rolls it smooth along his thigh, considers the opportunity he has before him. "You want to learn how to roll one?"
Hilariously, his only response is: "Could I smoke it, too?" His voice is even, total seriousness in it.
Dutch laughs. It is one his first real, hearty ones since they pitched in this miserable swamp.
"'Course you can," he says. He looks up and squints into the light, follows his eyes as the teen plops himself on the ground next to him. He warns with a dull severity: "But if you tell Hosea, he'll hang me. You're too young for smokin'. He worries you'll grow a pair of lungs like his."
"When will I be old enough?" He asks.
He purses his lips, picks up the razor he keeps in his cigar tin for trimming the ends. "I'on know," he admits. "Guess I smoked cigarettes before I was your age." He offers a wry smile. "But I weren't no role model for anything, so don't listen to me."
"They were too expensive f'me," Arthur says. "No one'd let me bum any."
It's one of the few looks into his previous life that he's ever given them. As always, delivered without a missed beat. Arthur doesn't realize how solemn his life was, not really — not beyond the animal discomfort it brought him. It was all he really knew.
Dutch is never sure how to respond beyond the tight knit of his brows. "Well, you're gettin' to try one now," is all he says.
He feels the yearning for a son again while Arthur watches him intently. Explaining his more practiced skills in words has never been Dutch's strong suit, so he's decided he'll either smoke a second or save it for Hosea, depending on when he returns.
Usually, he wouldn't care for one, but Dutch knows he likes the whiskey-River Valley combination real well.
It is strange to have someone so intent on learning from him. Dutch knows he can command a room of people rather easily — it's his job. A genuine attempt to teach makes it feel different, fulfilling; Arthur is hooked, blinking sweat from his eyes as it forms. Seems he's been wanting to ask Dutch to show him this process for a long time. It makes the heat of the risen sun feel bearable.
"Why do you use the drink?" He asks. He spilled a splotch of whiskey on his trouser leg, and Dutch hopes Hosea doesn't smell the liquor on him when he comes back. He'd have to say goodbye to his own hide.
"Makes the leaves flexible." He starts to bunch them to form a core, eyeing Arthur to his side. He learns quick enough, but he's pressing together too hard. "So they won't crumble when you manhandle 'em."
He struggles with wrapping the bunch, but shakes his head when Dutch offers to fix it for him. "I won't learn if you do it."
"A'right," Dutch says. "You want help, you jus' say it. You can try again next time Old Girl's out."
When they're finished, he knows Arthur's cigar isn't going to burn too well. What exactly will go wrong, he isn't sure — but his fingers, though skinny and precise, are unpracticed with this art.
It is an art, one of practicing the tactical differences between excess and moderation, and he makes sure to tell Arthur as much.
He does insist on toasting both cigars. It's hard to explain, the words his own father told him on the matter long forgotten in favor of muscle memories, and Dutch isn't sure that he could even think how to pick apart the delicate process.
He'll probably have to offer Arthur his own cigar if he wants the boy to not hate them forever over one low quality roll — he is fond of him, but it takes practice.
As expected, Arthur's acne-pocked face scrunches upon his first draw. The density of the smoke gives him a mighty cough, and Dutch slaps his back as he hacks.
"Sorry, son," he says, smoke furling from his nostrils as he speaks. He means it. "I probably shoulda known you wouldn't know how to smoke it right."
"There's," — a group of final, shorter coughs, tears forming in his eyes — "A right way?"
"Ayuh," Dutch nods. He barely notices he's adopted Hosea's favorite affirmation, mind focused on finding a flask to offer him a drink of water. "You don't inhale the smoke.
"I still cough like that if I do and I've smoked 'em longer than you been breathin'." Arthur seems mildly surprised by the reminder someone is so much older than him; oh, youth. "When you drag on it, keep that smoke in your mouth and let it sit there. With cigarettes, you smoke 'em. A cigar is for tastin'. Watch."
He takes an exemplary drag. Arthur mirrors him carefully, face still somewhat twisted as he waits to exhale alongside Dutch. The clouds mingle and fade into the air before them, over the unlit campfire.
"All I taste is some nasty ass leaves an' itchy throat," he admits, sounding disappointed.
Dutch laughs. "Sounds 'bout right. It takes time to learn how to appreciate it," he says. "Like all good things in life. Try mine."
They trade. Arthur's is bitter, and he notices the skin of it is cracking at the end. He rolled far too tightly in his efforts to do it right; the taste is tolerable, but only just, and it is difficult to pull on. Arthur immediately hits his cigar once he's gotten it and he bites his cheek to avoid protesting too rashly.
Over the year he's been riding with them, he's noticed the boy struggles with enacting much patience.
"I wouldn't smoke them so fast," he warns. "You'll make it into even more nastiness." Dutch taps the cigar on the boot of his folded leg, Arthur copying him. At least the ash falls off easy. "If you savor it, they can taste real sweet."
Arthur near balks. "Sweet?"
"These are a sweeter kind," he says, and the information takes a moment to be believed at all. He's sure Arthur still thinks he's pulling his leg once it registers that this sour little roll-up tastes sweet to his companion. "Hosea likes these ones 'cause they're some of the easiest to stomach."
It isn't entirely fair to say, but he is absent now and Dutch hasn't influenced Arthur with a good-natured jab at his partner in one too many days.
As they finish them in relative silence, the only sound the thrumming of the heat in the atmosphere and the chirps of birds and insects milling through it, Dutch relents to the sneaking feeling that Arthur looks up to him in some way.
The kid watches him close, nearing the end of his own cigar and yet still learning how to draw it right from how little Dutch's cheeks hollow when he pulls the smoke in. He tries his hardest to wait between drags like he does. He didn't think being mimed could feel so rewarding; he didn't think teaching anything could be much beyond an inconvenience or the mild satisfaction of knowing that he's smarter than someone else.
Probably it speaks to all his own mentors — at least all the ones before Hosea — that such egoism was all he found in it.
The man of the hour rides in shortly after they tap their last ashes, and he is equal parts dismayed and proud to see Arthur studying how Hosea smokes on his cigar once he's passed the responsibility of dismantling the sizeable deer onto Dutch.
He'll give their little smoking lessons away before the month is over, but he has a feeling he can talk his way out of being skinned. When it comes around, he'll tell Hosea he shows Arthur how to survive, and Dutch shows him how to live, and his hubris will endear Hosea too much to say anything besides: don't go rolling him one everyday.
#rdr2 fanfic#oneshot#red dead redemption 2#good parent hosea matthews. questionable parent dutch van der linde#cigars#rdr2 oneshot#arthur morgan#dutch van der linde#sfw#fluff#hosea matthews#Time for my weird tagging that I won't change because I'm not lazy just dumb#arthurmorgan#dutchvanderlinde#hoseamatthews#vandermatthews#young arthur morgan#young vandermatthews
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So as someone who FULLY subscribes to the idea that a modern au Dutch would dress like it’s still the 70’s, I propose the idea that he’d listen to only 60s-80s music (what he calls the only good period of music.)
He’d listen to Prince, Christopher Cross (Arthur’s theme lol), Boston, Journey, Duran Duran, Johnny Cash, Bonnie Tyler, Queen, The Beatles, John Denver, TOTO, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Fleetwood Mac, Seals and Crofts, The Outfield, Men At Work, Blue Swede, Starship, Elton John (OBVIOUSLY), etc etc.
But MOST of all, Dutch would listen to ABBA. This man fully stans ABBA, he has ABBA merch, all the vinyls, he cried when Voyage came out, he probably even got to see them in concert at one point. You cannot take Mamma Mia from this man because my my just how much he missed him. His fav ABBA song would be King Kong Song because he loves to pull Hosea over to do silly little dances while he sings along, and Hosea just loves to see that big stupid smile.
And, I say this as a YRR fan, Dutch would go to Yacht Rock Revue shows and be on the rail with Hosea beside him (who probably has some earplugs in since it’s loud in front of Monkey Boy.) He loses his ever loving mind when they do the Africa/Dancing Queen mashup and he knows all of Nick’s little improvisations to the point that he does them in the car whenever a song comes on. (Also, anchorheads in joke, but he’d yell FUCKIN LOCKET- during Brandy. Gotta love live stream slip ups)
so here’s my Dutch playlist, please ignore how itll go from sad dutch song to angst to fall out boy to yacht rock to rdr soundtrack and back to fall out boy its my wall across campus and think abt dutch soundtrack
Thank you for coming to my TED talk, I have to walk to class now.
#CAN YOU TELL I WAS RAISED ON OLD MUSIC#CAN YOU TELL MY PARENTS INFLUENCE MY MUSIC TASTE#CAN YOU TELL IM THE CHILD OF A YRR GROUPIE#I GO TO SO MANY YRR CONCERTS ITS INSANE#anyways#grem rambles#rdr2#vandermatthews#rdr#red dead redemption 2#red dead redemption community#red dead fandom#red dead redemption two#red dead redemption#dutch van der linde rdr2#dutch rdr2#dutch rdr#dutch van der linde#hosea matthews rdr2#hosea matthews#dutch x hosea#red dead redemption hosea#Spotify
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Does anyone here care about read dead (I’m desperate)
#rdr2#rdr2 fanart#rdr2 arthur#rdr2 dutch#rdr2 hosea#rdr2 john#he’s barely in there but eh#ALSO!!!#none of it is ship art!!!#Hosea and Dutch. vaguely co parents to me but#I don’t ship anything atm.
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Hee hoo
Gay dads hour
Thems my dads
Please send asks about my dads
#i’m spiraling#I love my dads so much#self shipping#self ship#selfshipping#self ship community#self insert#selfship community#f/o#parental f/o#parental f/os#dad f/o#hosea matthews#dutch van der linde#vandermatthews#red dead 2#red dead redemption 2
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Dutch: I love you, Arthur! I can't live without you!
Hosea, leading Arthur away from chapter 4 Dutch: Then die, you dirty bitch😤
#arthurxdutch#arthur x dutch#dutch x arthur#dutchxarthur#incorrect arthur morgan#vandermorgan#incorrect vandermorgan#arthur morgan#incorrect dutch van der linde#Parent Hosea Matthews
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#rdr2#arthur morgan#dutch van der linde#hosea matthews#dutch and hosea parenting#hosea and dutch’s sweet boy :3
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Arthur would have rather remained an only child.
(yes, this entire dialogue is from " The Addams Family Values ", please don't judge me, I found it too accurate for what would happen after Sean's arrival :') )
(that blur effect didn't work well, sorry.)
#arthur morgan#john marston#sean macguire#hosea matthews#dutch van der linde#rdr2#red dead redemption 2#when your parents adopt a new kid#brothers#addamsfamilyvalues
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dads
#rdr2#dutch van der linde#hosea matthews#red dead redemption 2#rockstar#parenting years#myart#fanart
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YESSSSSSSSSS, PRE-RDR2 FAMILY ART!!
he loves his horsey <3
(I enjoy drawing the old guard so much)
#i love every single one of them#this is so cute omg#WreedCultBligs(Blogs)#vandermatthews#young arthur morgan#parental dutch van der linde#parental hosea matthews#where's john at tho?#needs more baby john marston frfr
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I havent talked about my RDR2 modern AU like at all but something I enjoy thinking about for it is that I had Charles and John meet in juvie where they became unlikely best friends but never saw each other again after they got out... until Arthur and Charles started dating as adults.
#/ in my au the gang was more looser connections#except dutch hosea john and arthur were a family/criminal unit#/ the gang falling apart was hosea getting killed and the rest getting arrested#/ the time skip = arthur and john's jail time but dutch got a heavier sentence for killing someone#/ charles got scouted for boxing after he got out of juvie so he wasn't involved in any of that#/ but he's tired of it and wants to quit#/ he inherited his parents' house after his dad passed#/ arthur got himself and john a job at hamish's garage#/ but when charles goes back to his parents' house of course it's in the same town as hamish's garage!#/ one of the most important parts of the au is that arthur adopts a pit bull named boadicea#/ and loving her is a reflection of him learning self love!!#/ didn't mean to ramble so much about my au lol my bad#/ keeping it tho#jaderaven post#rdr ramblings
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Why didnt anyone tell me red dead redemption 2 was about My 2 Gay Dads i wouldve started it much sooner
#Honestly most of the game is not that compelling to me#Hosea + dutch + arthur though...#I love it when they put a pinwheel hat on him and give him a big lollipop and put him on his tricycle and take him around town#And tell everyone they see Hi We're Married And This Is Our Beautiful Son#Idgaf about guns or hunting or robbing people#Or the robin hood nonsense they keep trying to shoehorn into it#Just make the whole game about arthur and his semi elderly parents running errands and reminiscing about his childhood#also i dont care for arthurs voice actor sorry not sorry
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