#dustfern

[quiverpaw]

dustfern is only funny in very specific context

[starless-clans]

they’re in love your honor

[taking-it-paperback]

[kurtmustdie]

went on the warriors reddit and instantly regretted it but here we go

do not go and try and find this person i cropped out their username for a REASON dont be a DIPSHIT.

I think the problem with dust and fern (from my own judgement of the fandom discussion and the books) is that dust was ferns MENTOR. he had a lot of access to her and power over her. she also got pregnant almost immediately after she was made a warrior with dustpelts kits which is also weird!! also dont forget that dustpelt is mean to literally everyone but ferncloud since shes made his apprentice, which is a cute dynamic when it doesnt involve the age gap and power dynamic. thats also. weird. hot take but maybe if an adult is really awful to everyone but a you as a minor, butters you up and treats you better than literally everyone else, you should run. just a thought.

the other gaps are also weird, don't get me wrong, but dustpelt and ferncloud stand out in this regard because well. the circumstances. if ferncloud were a warrior when she and dustpelt were courting each other and dustpelt wasnt her mentor it wouldnt be an issue, but because of the added context of what i mentioned before... the implications dont feel right. and it isnt right. just because there are worse relationships doesnt mean this one isnt weird either.

[everybody-loves-purdy]

I find it a weird double standard in this fandom that DustFern is often shunned because it involves a warrior showing an interest in a young apprentice, meanwhile TigerDove involves a warrior actively dating an apprentice and the ship is reasonably popular?

There isn’t a point in either ship where the warrior is an apprentice alongside his love interest, both Dust and Tiger are warriors prior to their love interest’s apprentice ceremony.

I know TigerDove seems wholesome now but DustFern was also very similar. Both ships involve the tom then doting on his wife and having several kids with her.

I know DustFern has that extra creepiness to it from Dust being Fern’s uncle but the main reason people don’t like it is because of his interest in Fernpaw, so I don’t understand why people seem to ignore how TigerDove started out? As far as we know Dustpelt never specifically acted on his interest in Fernpaw as far as engaging in a relationship goes, meanwhile Tigerheart was flat out declaring his love for Dovepaw and dating her while she’s an apprentice. There has been a few times I’ve seen some people call DustFern uncomfortable but also ship TigerDove? I just don’t get it personally.

[bonefall]

Been thinking about Ferncloud more and wanted to know how she’d work in the rewrite. I love her being a nursery queen, getting help by cats like Cody and Daisy throughout her life, then helping a lot of others it’s just really cute. And her connections like Ashfur?!? Always bugged me how their was NOTHING shown between them after he did his everything. Also Cloudtail how their relationship ended I always image them as rather close siblings

But what most gets me is her death and the whole thing about it. Just the authors putting her in battle bc they say some fans talking dirt on her against Brokenstar the notorious kit killer, then to just die with 0 grandeur. Like her taking him down would of be EPIC it’s so annoying to see how she actually ended

What ESPECIALLY annoys me is that Yellowfang comes out of heaven and double-kills her son unceremoniously. Girl you're a medicine cat, it was lucky enough that you got a FACE shot that first time.

On top of it being a wasted opportunity for someone else to put down one of the most iconic WC villains in favor of a pointless double-kill, she's a medcat. How was SHE better than Ferncloud??

That aside, Bonefall Brokenstar isn't in the Dark Forest during this battle. He's napping as a sapling in the Gorge with SkyClan. So... her would-be killer isn't even here lmao

I could have her pummel Mapleshade though

Anyway, Thornclaw and Brackenfur are dead by the time of TBC, so there's elder den vacancy! Ferncloud is surviving lmao. She is probably also going to receive Lilyheart and Seedpaw and raise them while Dustpelt dies in the Great Battle instead, effectively getting the role of Canon Brackenfur.

She's just more relevant to TBC. She needs a moment with the impostor. Furthermore, she's going to watch her lifelong best friend Cloudtail march off into the Dark Forest to confront his apprentice, Ashfur. She will be the last survivor of this little ensemble, having lost Elderberry in TNP.

[bruttomisandro]

My Own Thunderclan Family

I think is impossible to completely erase incest from thunderclan, but you can tame it by stopping cats from being either direct cousins or change parents of certain cats. Here some of my own hcs:

Flashnose and Daisytoe aren't sisters

Pinestar and Poppydawn are cousins through Sweetbriar and Fallowsong

Squirrelwhisker and Eaglestorm are Windflight and Woolytail's parents

Stormtail, Stonepelt and Rockfall are Mistpelt and Stagleap's Kits

Sunstar, Featherwhisker and Speckletail are Larkwing and Flamenose's Kits,

Tawnyspots, Robinwing and Thrushpelt are Rainfur and Windflight's kits

Fuzzypelt is Hollypelt's only surviving kit

Halftail(Mumblefoot's Kit), One-Eye(Harepounce's Kit) and Dappletail are childhood friends and become apprentices before the start of Bluestar's prophecy

Adderfang and Swiftbreeze are Patchpelt, Leopardfoot and Brindleface's parents

Windflight is still Thistleclaw, Rosetail and Sweetpaw's father

Speckletail and Smallear are Goldenflower, Lionheart, Snowkit and Mistlekit's parents

Dappletail is Redtail, Spottedleaf, Willowpelt, Sandstorm, Cricketkit and Featherkit's single mother

Robinwing and Fuzzypelt are Frostfur, Cherrypaw, Chesnutkit, Ravenpaw and Dustpelt's parents

One-eye and Halftail are Mousefur and Runningwind's parents

Willowpelt and Tawnyspots are Darkstripe's parents, their relationship were negatively looked upon for obvs reasons

Robinwing and Patchpelt are Longtail's parents(yes she cheated)

Willowpelt and Whitestorm are Graystripe, Sootfur, Sorreltail and Rainwhisker's parents

Goldenflower and Patchpelt had a short term relationship that didn't worked out and Swiftpaw and Lynxkit's parents

Frostfur and Lionheart are ofc Brackenfur, Cinderpelt, Thornclaw and Brightheart's parents

Brindleface and Runninwind are Ashfur, Ferncloud, Eldekit and Tulipkit's parents

Ferncloud and Dustpelt are closer in age and had 4 litters instead, in fact Spiderleg, Shrewpaw, Birchfall, Larchkit, Hollykit, Foxleap, Icecloud AND Snowbush, Dewnose and Ambermoon are their kits

Solely bcs i want Whitewing to be Brightheart and Cloudtail's only kit

also Squirrelfight and Leafpool are born earlier than Spideleg, Shrewpaw and Whitewing

Sorreltail and Brackenfur only had one litter, Cinderheart, Honeyfern, Poppyfrost and Molepaw

so who is Lilyheart and Seedpaw's parents? Hazeltail and Thornclaw

Ashfur is Dovewing and Ivypool's real dad, but Whitewing lied for a while about Birchfall's parentage, who instead fathered Applefur's kits Spikefur and Grassheart

During Bramblestar's Storm, Berrynose said Thunderclan needs more kittens, but being a former loner, he is no purist, but more proud of being part of Thunderclan itself, so they welcome Stormcloud, Sorrelstripe and Fernsong

Sorrelstripe is actually Jessy, a young and cool solid brown molly who had a crush on Bramblestar, but he saw as a daughter instead after losing Hollyleaf; Fernsong instead is Smoky and Floss's kit together with Coriander, who joins the clans after falling in love with Ivypool during the storm

Squirrelflight and Bramblestar don't have kits as she is barren, they had two, Dandelionkit and Juniperkit, but died early

So Alderheart, Sparkpelt and Hollytuft are Lionblaze and Cinderheart's kits

Instead of Sparkpelt, who turns into an antagonist after River of Fire, Hollytuft and Larksong are Nightheart and Finchlight's Parents

Toadstep is actually Eaglewing, Shellfur, Stemleaf and Plumstone's father

Spotfur, Flywhisker and Snapkit(yes he dies during River of Fire) are instead Poppyfrost and Jayfeather's kits

For last, Bayshine and Myrtlebloom's parents are Cherryfall and Stormcloud

Bayshine, Plumstone and Thirftear are in a poly relationship and parental figure of Moonpaw(how dare I give one dad and two moms to Moonpaw???)

[notwarriorswiki]

An extremely messy draft of moving the births around for the 1st arc. Subject to change.

The number is the relation of moons in comparison to the birth of Firestar. For instance, Cinderpelt is 7 moons younger than Firestar, changed to be born a moon after he joins ThunderClan.

Some cats have notes of their planned mentor. For instance the four starting Thunder apprentices (Fire, Sand, Gray, Dust) all receive the major four litter (Cinder, Bright, Bracken, Thorn).

[yuridovewing]

Adderswift lineage is like "Okay so not only are Spottedleaf and Redtail Tigerstar's aunt and uncle, but Tigerstar is also first cousins with Darkstripe and Graystripe, this is indisputable canon btw you can't argue against this it's totally set in stone and what we intended the entireeeeee time. Oh also Patchpelt fathered a bajillion babies and Longtail and Swiftpaw are siblings for some reason because obviously Swiftpaw has to be Longtail's baby brother for him to give a fuck about his death. You can't feel sad someone died unless you wanna fuck them or they're family. This 100% makes sense btw and you cant contest this"

[troutfur]

Follow up poll since I also need this to solidify the dynamics of Firestar's pfurr.

[skywarriorupham]

Iagree with you on most of the points but the Dustfern age difference isn't actually that big.He was Dustpaw while she was Fernkit and he became a warrior right after or before she became an apprentice. And for comparison (not trying to say because someone else did the same thing but bigger that it's an okay thing but I personally don't think their age gap is that bad BUT) Leopardfoot and Pinestar. Pinestar is as old as her grandma and was already leader when Leopardfoot was born.

literally clawing off my skin dustfern and tigerdove are NOT the same dustfern was explictly him wanting to MENTOR her (and was mentoring her BROTHER) and they had kits IMMEDIATELY after and he had been a warrior for a WHILE tigerdove is from SEPARATE CLANS WITH ONLY 8 MOONS APART!!! ARRRRGJ!

[carelesscuriosity]

… there is so little spottedtiger art out there im realizing imma either have to draw it myself or commission it :/

[burning-thistles-bt]

Hiii so ik you guys fixed some stuff for some of the ships, plsplspls tell me you guys did smthn with the HORRENDOUS age gap with thrushie and blue (since I vaguely recall you kept the canon thing of him posing as the dad for moss (rip), stone and misty) cuz uh,,, he was a warrior when he started to show interest in her (a brand new apprentice) in canon plsplsplspls /lh /gen

uhhh????

they only have a 12 moon age gap??? in canon?? and Thrushpelt never???? showed interest in Bluestar??? when she was an apprentice???

hello?????¿¿¿

[kokichis-dead-dove-club]

I was thinking about the onestar's confession controversy with the age gap and comparing onestar to thistleclaw. And it's just like, warriors is full of agegap relationships. They weren't complaining when Dustpelt, an adult, had very clear interest in Fernpaw. And that was like, what, the fourth book ever? What about Pinestar already being leader by the time Leopardfoot was apprenticed? Thornclaw was elder age when he got together with Blossomfall. It's just so wild. Like, sure, maybe they didn't read pinestar's choice. But it was published alongside Spottedleaf's heart so they just selectively read 1/3 of the collection? And the other two examples are main series. At this point you're firmly in agegap country why the hell are you complaining (general you)

to be completely fair, all of those examples you listed are/were actively discussed in the fandom

there's still discourse around dustfern and pineleopard even right now, altho i haven't rly seen anything abt thornblossom in quite a while, and that one wasn't ever rly widely criticized, at least not like the others were

but yeah basically i agree with you, warriors is just age gap central lmao

[mighwnt]

crying over my clangen clan

[wc-confessions]

About DustFern

1. Fernkit is born in Into the Wild, while Dustpaw is still apprentice. That means that their age gap is less than a year.

2. It was stated that Fernkit and Ashkit are older than Cloudkit, that earns his warrior name in A Dangerous Path. So basically, Fernpaw is already around warrior age in this book. That means that she should be considered an adult in The Darkest Hour.

3. Ferncloud is shown to have kits in Firestar's Quest. Brightheart, that is Cloudtail's mate (that is younger than his foster sister Ferncloud), is pregnant and later gives birth to Whitekit in the same book. Later in Midnight Shrewpaw and Spiderpaw & Whitepaw are all apprenticed together. So basically Ferncloud and Cloudtail becomes parents around the same time and same age.

4. If you think about it, it's pretty common for warriors to have mate and then have kits soon after their ceremony. Graystripe was dating with Silverstream in Fire and Ice, while Dustpaw and Sandpaw, that are iirc a bit older than him, become warriors at the end of this book. Snowfur is pregnant, like, immediately after Thistleclaw becomes warrior. Again, Brightheart and Cloudtail become mates even earlier than Ferncloud and Dustpelt.

With that being said, I want to say that I don't think that DustFern is "weird". Iirc they start to develop feelings in A Dangerous Path, where Fernpaw is already around warrior age and Dustpelt is a young warrior, so I guess they are pretty close on the maturity level. And Ferncloud becoming a mother soon after becoming a warrior is not something out of ordinary; in fact, in TPB and TNP cats aged... differently (I mean, like, Whitestorm, being five years old, was considered almost an elder, while in recent books kitties stay warriors being twice his age).

So I guess the main problem is not the characters and not the ship; the main problem is that Erins always forget about the timeline and their weird framing DustFern as "a mature warrior and a young apprentice" while they are, in fact, not.

(So please, don't call Dustpelt a groomer. He is not.)

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