#dmc subhuman

[undefeatablesin]

Dealing with the tail end of another artblock by brainstorming feral Good Hunter Aloysha looks. Because she was not already feral enough for me I guess lmao ✨️

[gothixm00nz]

brb working on some Blackened Angel + Subhuman halloween art

[under--pluto]

Why BVB never did a song for the Devil May Cry series is beyond me

[fluffypichu876]

devils never cry my beloved

[basil-does-arttt]

so we all know how Bury The Light as a theme song represents Vergil and subsequently his story and themes within DMC 5??

Well obviously that means Subhuman is the same for Dante. So i did some thinking (wow big surprise there shocking i know)

The TLDR of this is my conclusion that Dante is reckless and overconfident because of his half-devil nature and as a result disregards his life and safety. Also, that Dante has mixed feelings about his demon side.

Specifically what got me to this thought was the line we all know if you've listened to subhuman:

"You cannot kill me, i am subhuman."

And,

I mean come on, the message couldn't have been written any clearer here. Because he's part demon, because he's - as Dante puts it, assumably the writing of this song is from his POV much like i assume Bury the Light is from Vergil's POV - sub-human, he believes he cant die. That whatever is thrown at him, no matter what or how dangerous the situation is, he naively believes he will come out the other end unscathed.

And to be honest, he kinda has reason to believe that thus far. If being stabbed at least 5 times throughout your life and brushing each one off as if it were a mere scratch wasn't enough to convince him, defeating so many different great demonic beasts including Mundus himself definitely would. I mean, who wouldnt? Whatever hell throws at Dante, surely cant be any worse than the actual fucking demon king or his own brother post-DMC 5. In a sense, he believes he is immortal.

But that way of thinking is shallow, its naive and leaves him open to danger because it makes him cocky. He thinks he's untouchable, and that way of thinking could get him seriously hurt or worse if he isnt careful. (As we see in the beginning of DMC 5 actually. He thinks "eh, ive fought worse, how bad could this actually be?" That "Its only Vergil, and ive fought him before." Only to have his shit kicked in and end up in a coma for a month. Imagine if that happened with a different demon that wasn't so merciful as to keep him alive for all that time, who would've jumped at the opportunity to rip him to shreds in an instant.)

I also want to go into how the song reflects Dante's (poor) mental health and his thoughts on being a half-demon.

Its kinda hard to catch unless you really think about it but the song is clearly negative in tone when it comes to describing Dante's own devil form. "As i call upon the dark gift to erupt" is one line that sticks out to me and i think is the best example of this. I also believe from the song that Dante views his DT as a seperate entity from himself; "I feel the devil in me, we're coming right for you".

"Funny how the mind tries to sink me deeper, as the evil tries to turn me around." The evil could be in reference to other demons, yes, but it also could be referencing his own "demon"; "i must not forget that i have bled, from no respect to the demons in my head". Wether that line means he's gotten himself hurt because of his own recklessness or self-harm i cant tell, and i wont assume one or the other specifically.

Throughout the song too, the lines "i cannot erupt, i must control, i cannot erupt, i must explode" to me also seems like Dante struggles with control of his DT, and is scared of losing himself when triggered. The whole tone of the song seems like a rampage of sorts too, its very aggresive and almost violent. "Something save me, put me out of my destiny, and drop me safely in this hell"; yet at the same time as his fears toward his own DT, it feels natural to him, this kind of "bloodlust" he feels in his triggered form is something he doesnt want but he knows he cant keep from happening entirely, so as a result the most comfortable place for him is in danger. He can let loose and he doesnt have to worry when all he's killing is demons. One last thing, "i see right past me, the eyes are flashing" to me sounds like Dante becomes almost dissociated when triggered, he's not really present in his mind and body and is acting on pure instinct alone.

All in all, Subhuman (like i said earlier) at first just sounded like an epic battle theme for Dante, but when i really listen to it, it becomes much sadder. Of course all of this could just be me bullshitting so id love to hear other's takes on this.

i also wanna analyze Bury the Light too. So i might do that later.

[swiggityswooter]

The time I spent on planning this piece out is insane 💀

Also listening to Subhuman from DMC while drawing this was definitely and experience-

[master-of-unlocking-things]

Ok my last post was to be funny but also genuinely, I would love to see a standalone Trish spinoff game. Because she is such an interesting character that has yet to be explored to her full potential. Dmc1 was her genesis so we aren’t gonna get her full character from there. She wasn’t relevant in dmc2. She was present in dmc4 but we only got to see her in another “descendent of Sparda” story. We got to see more of her personality of course, but we didn’t get to see her. And it feels disingenuous to even say she was in dmc5. We’ve gotten glimpses if her personality but like, I wanna see TRISH. She’s only ever been a side character and never had her own real story. Even in her anime episode

Does she have to grapple with her demonic nature like Dante did? She’s surrounded by people who are at least some form of human, like Dante is half, Nero is a quarter, and Lady is full. But she’s 100% demon. Does that talk about humanity and stuff affect her? Does she feel subhuman? Does she feel like a ticking time bomb that can switch up and kill her loved ones at any time like Lucia did? I know we got the “devils never cry thing” but I know damn well she didn’t just go “nvm dante you’re so right” and then never introspect again.

If you absolutely can’t tell one dmc related story without Dante- how does she feel about resembling Eva? Does she struggle with her own identity? Does she feel like she’ll never escape Eva’s shadow in Dante’s eyes? (we know Dante’s feelings on that, but does she?) Does she work harder to try and prove herself to him? Does she feel like a lesser version of Dante? We know she left Devil May Cry (or Devil Never Cry at that point in time, dogshit name btw) to go do her own thing, so what was she doing while exploring the human world out on her own for the first time? Prior to that, all of her experiences included Dante or Dante related activities. How did she feel being left to her own devices? Who is Trish? Does she even know the answer to that? Was that what she tried to find? Her entire existence upon her inception was centered around Dante. How does she feel about that?

Her case is unique to Dante and Vergil and Nero’s because they’re already partially human. Dante only accepted his humanity, Nero didn’t even know he was part demon until later in his life, and Vergil HAD to accept his humanity that was already there.

This isn’t the same as Lucia either. She came prepackaged with humanity, was discarded by Arius for it, and raised by Matier. Her arc was REALIZING that she was a demon and coping with that. She was already her own person with her own life BEFORE meeting Dante. She was always a “good guy.”

Trish never got that luxury. She wasn’t created by some business man, she was created by the prince of darkness himself- the literal ruler of hell. The incarnate of evil and hatred. She spawned in as an expendable force of destruction. She was supposed to be a cold blooded killing machine, and until Dante changed her heart she was. She was considered pure evil. How does she feel about that? Does she have nightmares about her time with Mundus? Does she still feel capable of evil? Does she channel that into her mischievous nature? How did she further develop her personality? How did she begin to interact with the world around her? What’s her romantic life look like?

I wanna get to know Trish as a person. Like, we already know her, we have an established character for her, but I wanna get to know her beyond the surface level and outside of a Dante-centric story. I feel like a game or comic or little miniseries about Trish discovering her identity would be very cool and neat! Like I do love Dante dearly but can he please take a back seat for a second and let the other characters breathe? (I say like he’s real and this is his fault lmfao)

Also if this ever does happen for the love of god do not let Hideki Kamiya write it. We need to stop glazing him and realize that he wanted Trish and Dante to fuck and that alone should make us say “hey don’t let this man near devil may cry anymore” idgaf if he created it he can’t be trusted with it.

[dmc-questions-anon]

Come on guys really?

Round 3: Poll 1

Subhuman

Divine Hate (Vergil Ver.)

[fantasyinvader]

Another thing I feel Netflix DMC fails to understand is Dante’s actual character. Dante is not a happy person.

At the end of DMC 3, the earliest game in the timeline, it’s made clear that what happened between him and Vergil caused him to cry, which he hides behind his seeming joy of battle. DMC 5 has info about Lady seeking refuge at the bottom of a bottle due to her feelings about killing her father, mentioning a connection to Dante about it. He has liquor bottles in his place in DMC 1, where it’s established he’ll take any jobs related to demon slaying regardless of pay but he also likes to play with the demons before he kills them. Dante wants to make demons suffer before he puts them down, indicating there’s a rage within him under the surface and pushing him closer to his reboot incarnation.

In 1, his trauma was used against him by Mundus employing Trish, made in the image of Dante’s dead mother, and Nelo Angelo, Vergil under Mundus’ contol. At the end of that adventure, while she revives he still watched Trish die protecting him just like his mother did, while Vergil is seemingly dead by Dante’s own hand. He’s colder in 2, his lines make up less than two minutes of video, and he makes sure he’s the one to go to hell with his rigged coin despite being told he can never return. Trish is absent despite being his partner, possibly romantic, at the end of the first game. He seems happier in 4, especially with the discovery of Nero, but he keeps Nero at arm’s length like he does everyone else. He never hooked up with any of the female leads, something called out in the Special Edition, keeps his distance from the now 18 Patty in 5, and doesn’t reveal his connection to Nero until five years after meeting him (and likely never would otherwise).

In the anime, Lady calls him undatable due to being a slob and in 5, he’s at a point where he isn’t as well-groomed as in the past due to him having his electricity and water cut off followed by spending a month in a coma.

You put it all together, underneath the wacky exterior is a lot of anger and depression, and this is reflected in the lyrics to Subhuman. Dante himself is aware of this, but is trying to keep it all under control. He can’t let it erupt and spill out, he must explode when he chooses to. This darkness in his mind tries to turn him around, but he says he will not falter. Dante can’t let go of the trauma he has accumulated over 30+ years, and as a result Dante is beginning to slip which explains his characterization in 5. Especially his anger towards Vergil over what he has done.

The loss of Rebellion also factors into this. This was one of the swords Sparda left his sons, alongside Yamato. Yamato can cut through anything, even separate Vergil’s human and demon halves like it did the human realm and the underworld. It symbolizes just that. Rebellion can unite man and devil, symbolizing Sparda living among humans and having half-demon children. Rebellion is broken, so Dante has to seek power in 5, something Vergil criticized him for refusing to do in 3. All throughout the series, the idea was that humanity was a quality that made people stronger, but with Dante slipping to the point his theme song calls him “subhuman,” it means he’s not as strong as he should be and instead relies on seeking strength like a demon. This results in him obtaining Sin/True Devil Trigger, just like Vergil does after eating the bloody fruit, making him closer to a demon.

Considering Devil Arms need to be subdued in order to be properly used, the Devil Arm Dante could be seen as Dante acknowledging he was defeated by Urizen.

Instead the show uses Devil Trigger, Nero’s theme song about accepting his own darkness, his own demonic heritage that seems to be wanting out (Compare to Vergil’s song about burying the light, his own humanity). Nero isn’t trying to control his dark thoughts like Dante is, he’s letting them out. All the negative emotions Dante hides behind his goofy antics Nero uses as fuel to fight, and it’s really hard not to see that Nero is ultimately in a healthier state of mind than Dante. He even manages to score the girl at the end of 4 and goes on to raise orphans, rather than Dante keeping to himself.

This is what I mean when I say Adi saw the memes but didn’t understand the meaning behind them. Dante might dance when given Dr. Faust, but that may have been him putting on a show for the sake of others (especially Nico). I doubt he would play DDR or Street Fighter in his free time. And most of all when Dante gets serious, like really serious, the jokes stop.

But then again, Adi believes Vergil is right in his pursuit of power so... fuck him.

[the-real-chuuya]

you should listen to Subhuman from dmc it’s so you coded for whatever reason 🧍🏽‍♀️🧍🏽‍♀️

I don’t wanna, so I ain’t gonna

[alicethenobody]

Was thinking about the lyrics to Subhuman and I started wondering what if in DMC 6 Dante just loses it after bottling everything up for so long? Like somehow he loses control of himself and he can’t stop and the only person who can bring him to his senses is Vergil?

Idk it’s just some late night thoughts lol.

[invenblocker]

So a common talking point I see about DMC is that the true source of power for the half demons is humanity, and that's why Dante embracing his human half while Vergil shuns comes out on top at the end of DMC3.

Which does make sense. But I think there are two other important aspects. First of all, acceptance of self (self love?). At the start of DMC3 , they both view themselves as Demons, but while Vergil embraces this, Dante loathes it, which is why Vergil wins their first fight. Only in accepting himself does Dante become powerful enough to beat his brother, as with the element of self loathing being removed, Dante can gain his true power from embracing his humanity while Vergil's rejection of it leaves him behind.

And of course, as this has been pointed out countless times, the theme can also continue into DMC5, where Dante's SDT comes about when he uses what his father left him (Rebellion) with the manifastion of his father (Sparda), to fuse his human and demon halves. And with Vergil becoming the most powerful not by severing his human self from his demon self, but by fusing them back together (now with humanity as an undeniable part of his identity, forcibly reinserted after removal).

And this is all pretty common analysis that more or less any DMC fan can repeat verbatim, but I think another interesting angle can come in when we account for Nero.

Where Vergil rejects his humanity, Nero only accepts that part of himself, not caring for his demonic half (but not loathing it either) in the slightest. This is why in Nero's eyes, he needs Yamato. He doesn't think he has this power within himself and must get it from outside, which is why despite obviously having the toughness and regen factor required to get slapped around by demons and be fine, he can't regrow his arm after losing it.

But at the end of DMC5, Nero does not embrace humanity, he embraces that he is in fact a demon, and it is at that point he truly unlocks his Devil Trigger. And asides from regaining the powers of his Devil Bringer, he does also regain some of the powers he didn't unlock in DMC4 before obtaining Yamato, powers he didn't previously perceive as part of himself.

But if the person who viewed himself as human needed to accept his demon heritage, that indicates to me that what a demon-blooded human needs to embrace is not humanity, but rather the duality within them, the balance between demon and human. This reading coincidentally also works really well with Dante fusing his demon and human halves to create SDT, he already viewed himself as a demon (still doing so, if Subhuman is any indication) and already embraced his humanity, but only in fusing the two did he truly acknowledge their coexistence, a step Nero has yet to take, which is why I am looking forward to his journey in DMC6, which is definitely gonna get announced any second now, with great interest.

[haveyoulistenedtothisalbum-poll]

Tracklist:

Devil May Cry 5 Titlescreem • The Qliphot (Prologue) • Introduction • Demon's Throne • Unbearable Pressure • Unbearable Pressure (Rush Percussion Version) • A Sword Shatters To Pieces • It Absorbs The People's Blood • Reflection (Mission Clear) • The Heaven Of My Hell (Openning) • Devil Trigger (Openning Remix) • Devil Shocker • Enter The Devil Shocker (Mission 01 Start) • Devil Trigger (Devil Shocker Remix) • Devil Trigger (Instrumental Edit) • A Man's Face Peeks Through The Robes • Garage (Main Menu) • Ugh, Come On (Nero Mission Start) • Devil Trigger (Game Edit) • Rain R Ain • Echoes-Oes-Oes • Heading For Catrastrophe • Any Special Orders? (Nico's Shop) • Interview • Blazing Muscle • End Of The World (Gameover) • Mysterious Stranger • Flying Outdoors • Nice Scissors! • Floating Indoors • A Date With Corruption • Lunatic Ray • Enjoy The Taste Of Despair (V Mission Start) • Wave Street • Crimson Cloud (Game Edit) • Five-Four Time (Secret Mission) • Splitting Fool (Introduction) • Spliting Fool • Lucky Fall • It's Kind Of Chilly • Abyssal Time • The End Of The Stillness • I'd Also Like To Jump • My Dear Friend • It's Time To Get To Work • Hand Picked Noise (Character Select) • Dark Ruin • Feel The Shock • Mysterious Stranger Returns • The Blood Soaked Ground • Divinity Statue • More Fear • Unavoidable Despair • Perfect Timing • This, I Like (Devil May Cry Office) • Dead Tired • Anarchy In The Uw (Dmc 5 Remix Intro) • Anarchy In The Uw (Dmc 5 Intro) • Beyond Defeat • How Do You Like This! (Dante Mission Start) • The World Is Screaming (Version 1) • Subhuman (Game Edit) • The World Is Screaming (Version 2) • Pitch Dark • Disgust • Voltaic Black Knight (Introduction) • Voltaic Black Knight • It Becomes Cavaliere • V's Beginning • Dance With Cavaliere • Too Much In Love To Hear • Legacy (Instrumental Version) • Birth Place • The Demon's Face • Unwavering Bravery • "00:00" • Dr. Faust • Piece Of Cake • Same Old, Same Old • Sick! • 3 Goddamn Hags • Faded Tone G • Faded Tone A • Faded Tone C • Critical Moment • Hellish Gimmick • Diabolical Incantation • Diabolical Incantation (Chaotic Version) • Reckoning • Falling Into The Crevice • Gatekeeper Unleashed • Roar, Roar, Roar! • Breaking The Icy Ground • True Wishes • Liar Landscape • Undeniable Fate • Undeniable Fate (Rush Percussion Version) • Rebirth • Sword Fight • Under The Atmosphere • Collapse • Entering The Gelidium Jelly • Grilled Tandoori Smoke • Silent Siren • Psycho Machine • Farewell • Complex Emotions • The Duel (Introduction) • The Duel • Massive Power • Your Legacy • Resolve • Improvisation For Violin On A Main Theme "Legacy" • Silver Bullet • Inherited Intentions • I'm Not Crying! • Legacy (Dmc 5 Main Theme) • Legacy (Piano Improvisation Version) • Here Goes!! • Devil Trigger • Crimson Cloud • Subhuman • The Crunching Rhythm Of Chiba Rakkasei • Any Special Orders? (Tropical Devil Night Remix) • Devil Trigger (Tropical Devil Night Remix) • Nero's Dance Music • Nero's Guitar Music • V's Dance Music • Dante's Dance Music • Gate To Hell • Special Music Outro (Nero) • Special Music Outro (V) • Special Music Outro (Dante) • History Of Dmc • E3 2018 Announcement Trailer • Main Trailer

Spotify ♪ YouTube

[but-a-humble-goon]

Imma say some nice things about the DMC reboot now. -I honestly didn't dislike this version of Dante. He's not Dante even remotely, if anything he acts more like some alternate version of Nero from the dirtbag dimension but as a character in his own right he's fine. He's a punk shitheel with a secret heart of gold. -all the stuff in Limbo is rad as hell. I loved all the creative visuals and constantly shifting surreal environment let to a lot of interesting and memorable set pieces. Plus the Limbo dimension itself talking to you and yelling rude things at you constantly is just funny. -this game's got a pretty solid cohesive artistic vision. It's not exactly to my taste but the grungy punk/graffiti aesthetic, the Combichrist soundtrack, the whole They Live by way of Rage Against the Machine thing it's got going on all works really well together to create the feel that game is going for. If anything the Screamo fit way better here than Subhuman did in DMC5. -I really liked how the weapon switching worked. It made mixing and matching weapons to build combos super fluent. I kind of wish that was something the Mainline games would have kept going forward. -the whole game is really fucking upfront and on the nose with its political allegory and I honestly found it refreshing. Game knows what it is and what it wants to say and thinks subtlety is for cowards. I respect it. -the Drekavac is seriously one of the coolest enemies in the whole franchise and I really wish they would bring it back. I'll take it over the Blitz or the Fury any day.

[fangirl-1st-class]

Sick n ill and dying but

I just thought how, both Angels and Demons being God's subjects, enactors of his will, designed for coexisting with humans, his 'perfect creation' (be it through warding them, leeching off them) transcendent their imposed limitations by banding together.

Both parties are stuck on a side of a coin. Good and Evil. Order and Chaos. Light and Dark. Their scope of functionality is limited. Sparda nor Eva couldn't kill Mundus (why does it have to be Nephilim? weren't they as self-sustaining ? did they lack the power? the go-ahead?)

If Angels are all about protection/Order and demons are all about rebellion/Chaos - then what lies in the middle?

Heaven and hell suppose two distinct species of men, the good and the bad. But the greatest part of mankind float betwixt vice and virtue.

- from DmC debut trailer

Humanity lies in the middle. What makes us human. Freedom. Free will.

Surprisingly, Simple consciousness is not uncommon if we take the hordes from above and below into account.

But free will is. Demons don't have it. Angels don't have it. Fully.

Nephilim are nothing else but humans 2.0 created not by God himself, but by his lesser (than humans) facets.

That's why the war between Heaven and Hell has to stay perpetual. That's why Nephilim were hunted to extinction.

Despite not being half-human, like the original Dante is, DmC Dante attains full humanity from elsewhere.

By defiance of the ultimate authority. God. The ultimate rebellion.

You will have a great power. A power that will allow you to forge your own path. That my son is freedom. Be brave my son. I love you.

-Eva, DmC

I got it all from a Subhuman yt comment teheee

[niriaveil]

okay yeah. i know i've reblogged a lot of points but like. here are my own. negativity abt the show below. sorry.

things that bothered me immensely besides the obvious militarization of everything.

lady's characterization + kalina ann + arkham's whole purpose being nuked.

arkham and his lineage have the blood of a priestess who is tied to temen-ni-gru. he wants to become a god. he willingly sacrificed his own wife and used his own daughter in his endeavors to reach godhood. he's a cunning manipulator and an intellectual scholar. that was not there in the show at all.

kalina ann being a basic ass military weapon is so fucking shallow and removes ALL of the fucking depth it had to lady's character (not that there was much respect for her character anyway, the story being what the fuck it is).

vergil's characterization

i'm sorry but vergil would never work willingly under mundus, are you fucking kidding me. even when he was trapped in the demon realm, he fought mundus and had to be stuck as nelo angelo until dante freed him in dmc1.

vergil literally lost his soul and became enslaved to mundus because he pushed away his only family and tried to separate his humanity from himself. he thought embracing his demon side would give him the strength he coveted so badly. that's why dante and nero always win, because they have the capacity for love.

vergil's whole thing is that he wants demonic strength because human frailty failed him. honestly this whole post talks about my issues with vergil's character arc in the show.

also what they did to bury the light was criminal. how dare you.

(also on the topic of music, how fucking dare you use devil trigger fro dante's transformation - THAT IS NERO'S SONG. dante HAS his own theme, it's SUBHUMAN. WHY ARE YOU USING NERO'S THEME!!!!!)

whatever the fuck they were trying to do with the demons

honestly i don't know if i can sum this up at all in my own words. they were very much trying to make real world connections of the bush era + iraq war with the demons and darkcom in this show.

the fact that fucking "american idiot" plays while the american military invade makai/hell while the demons are portrayed as hijab-wearing arabs being subjected to war crimes by jingoistic soldiers who wave the american flag and pose for selfies! wow!

what they did to dante.

for a show that was marketed for dante, to be about dante, in his titular series and him being reduced to just prop up lady (honestly if you wanted a lady anime spin-off, i'm so certain many dmc fans would've wanted that instead of whatever the fuck this is). they lean way too hard into his wahoo wacky pizza man persona and not the fact that dante tries to cover up everything with humor and jokes because he's so crippingly lonely and depressed after the loss of his whole family and his struggles with his demonic heritage, to the point where he doesn't want to be around humans because he hates his demonic blood! not that he doesn't love humans, because he LOVES humanity and wants to do right - but the fact that his very nature is so grotesque to him and his identity that he just shoves it down, down, down.

not to mention that they just. oh my god theres more but its 130 and i am just so. i LOVED the animation and the voice acting but holy shit that was. im just gonna go replay the games.