#diana marmont

[a-finnish-janitor]

The Dark Presence, looking at the computer generated nonsense Diana Marmont is trying to pass off as Wake's writing

[meontix]

>take a deep breath and..?

[velvetjune]

The Lake House | Alan Wake 2

Their first years at the Lake House were good. Challenging, but not insurmountable. Not for them. Gradually, thoughts fell into their heads like drops of dark water.

“Why does she get all the credit?”

“Why does he get any credit?”

With that, a crack formed in the Lake House.

— Alan Wake

[wowwforever]

"Jules and Diana stared in disbelief at the flashing sirens. Spinning red lights wound with increasing speed, tables at a roulette wheel with no winner.

Beneath the lake, a different gamble was occurring. The introduction of interactive content was a temporary truce, a shot in the darkness that neither thought would succeed. Open-world, independent, horror and fantasy - all genres were failures that unified the Marmots, until one broke through.

Funding went missing from the Lake House. The trapped water Jules and Diana had temporarily mended flooded out. Neither knew the real culprit until it was too late. Water was flowing in, money was flowing out. The Shadow had become addicted to collecting cartoon characters, virtual gachapon. With the seemingly useless bait, the fishing hook had pulled in the entire ocean, sending the Shadow in a furious rage into the Lake House.

The lights died, and as the Marmots were pulled into that perfect, swirling darkness, one final thought from the Lake seeped into their minds.

'No five star pulls.'"

[veryfancydoilies]

Me when Dr Diana Marmont said that Hartman’s was “sloppy” and showed no regard for the scientific method: DRAG HIM

[cokedupblonde]

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[aerynlallaboso]

#love this op!#lake house dlc#alan wake 2 spoilers#the AW chalk board in Quantum Break also says that: ‘she can survive without him; he cannot survive without her’#also thought about this with ​the page Ed wrote of the Marmonts being at a lakeside cabin with marriage problems before Scary things happen#Alice and Alan are reflected in so many strained or destructing relationships lol#the Bookers; Casey and Estevez being divorced; Saga with David when reality was changing; Night Springs DLC Lisa/Actor#and all of them had to do with their jobs conflicting with their marriage in some way 😅#sorry for the essay in the tags op

nooo i love tag essays also thank you for pointing out the lakeside cabin page i totally skimmed over that one! i really enjoy how many ways alan/alice's fucked up relationship gets refracted and paralleled... divorce ❤️

i still haven't had time to replay but one additional tidbit i noticed checking name meanings (bc RCU characters love to have meaningful names) is that diana commonly means divine or heavenly, which aligns neatly with alice ('noble')

aw2 lake house spoilers /

i really love how the marmonts are like. evil divorced alan/alice

i've only played through once so far but the first place it really struck me was this email late in the dlc, specifically the 'you always needed me more than i needed you' because it lines up exactly with what remedy have said about alan & alice's relationship (in the aw1 commentary), that he needs her more than she needs him

their background is similar in that they graduate and head off to their new jobs as co-heads of research (alan and alice hitting new york 'dedicated to/by their creative ambitions') but things fall apart for them because diana feels that jules is mismanaging things and getting too much credit (any credit) for their work -> mirroring alan's career kicking off and alice's being sidelined. jules's project also seems to be the one that ends up working (albeit with terrible consequences). the implication that alan might be responsible for their relationship falling apart via the manuscript is really interesting because. well. he was (primarily) responsible for his and alice's relationship falling apart prior to aw1... wonder if he's projecting a little

i have to replay to dig into it more but some other smaller things i noticed:

jules getting diana to participate in the elevator video up top parallels to me alan getting alice work doing covers for his books - it seems on the surface like a husband/wife collaboration, but it's more about the husband's personal public presence than a joint production (see also jules's? posters being everywhere... i assume they're his initiative bc his face is on one of them, but diana's is not)

jules doesn't really look like alan in person but me & a friend both mistook the bust in his office for alan initially LMAO

the nut allergy email plotline reminded me inadvertently of alan's skepticism towards stuff like homeopathy (noted by barry in the first game) turned up to 11 - jules is passive-aggressive about it rather than aggressive but he's still, in the same vein as alan, someone who is very dismissive towards stuff he doesn't believe in

[almightyrozenidiot]

Remedy fans: Ugh Emil Hartman is the worst! No one could possibly be as bad or worse as him!

Remedy's writers creating Jules and Diana Marmont:

[alittlehatboi]

So, now that The Lake House DLC for AW2 has come out and threw some lore our way, I want to put my thoughts out there for the definition of Art per The Dark Place's/Presence's logic and what kind of Art affects reality (and how it affects reality) near Cauldron Lake.

Spoilers for AW2 and it's DLC and Control ahead.

So, firstly, the artform of the Art itself may not be as important as I (I do not want to imply that my opinion was the consensus) had assumed. As the Lake House implies through one of Diana Marmont's recordings, the emotions (in the case of Rudolph Lane and Alan Wake, distress/misery) of the artist has correlation with the amount of power an art piece has. An example within the DLC is Rudolph Lane.

The capital-P Painting that's the catalyst for the events of The Lake House is created after the painter (Rudolph Lane) had experienced years of abuse in the captivity of the Marmonts. He made a 'self-portrait' with his blood, literally pouring himself and the hatred for the Marmonts, the misery and pain that he had experienced up to that point into it. Rudolph dies immediately after creating this Painting from blood loss. This emotional act of creation resulted in reality changing.

This stands in contrast to the previous attempts by the Marmonts to reverse-engineer Art by having an AI replicate Wake's writing. This AI-Wake was not recognized by Cauldron Lake as Art.

We can reason that the lack of emotion in the AI's Art was the leading cause of failure in this endeavour.

So, we could draw a conclusion that it is not the artform that makes the Art, but the Artist, the raw emotion put into the work (Rudolph Lane, Alan Wake). The overwhelmingly negative emotions of the Artists (Rudolph's distress in captivity, Alan's 13 years in The Dark Place/Alice falling into the lake) should not be excluded as a factor here too, as it seems the Dark Presence latches onto dark and grim subjects and subject matters more often than not. (Night Springs DLC all being Alan's attempts to write, all having a much more light-hearted tone, all failing to come true.)

Though there is the outlier of The Old Gods Of Asgard, who seem to put positive emotion into their Art and still make it come true. But that being a part of Alan's/Scratch's story might be a variable. But then again, Control (at least, not entirely) isnt written by Wake, and an OGOA song has power there.

So Art, as per The Dark Place, is any (not sure about 'any') creation that the Artist has put considerable amounts of emotion into.

Now that we know what Art is, let's discuss it's effects.

Even before Rudolph Lane made The Painting, his art seemed to have prophetic ability. The FBC couldn't confirm the accuracy of this future-sight because they just couldn't know the events depicted won't happen, but we know at least 40% of these paintings came true. This poses the question: Is Art created near Cauldron Lake changing reality or merely predicting it? While we know it to be the former in the case of Alan Wake, literally changing the history and relationships of multiple characters during Return, but with Rudolph, it is a lot more ambiguous, as we don't have Saga, who can see through the story to confirm a reality shift. Same with the OGOA. Are they predicting that the AWE in Ordinary will happen, or are they making it happen? And while Alan does change reality in AW2, there are some cases in which he seems to predict or recap something that he shouldn't be able to (inner thoughts, FBC History), not outright change it. Diana Marmont raises this exact question when a page of Return concerns her history in the FBC and relationship with Jules Marmont. What came first? Alan's story or their own choices? While it is not confirmed that Alan didn't change reality to instigate conflict between the Marmonts, Diana herself seems to believe that her deteriorating relationship is her own/Jules' fault/responsibility.

So, the question is: would have the events at The Lake House happened if Alan hadn't written the story, or would they have still happened, just without Estevez (or in the case of the main story, Saga) to put an end to it?

[kiyrian]

After finishing Lake House DLC I cannot help wondering - how much of the relationship problems Marmonts are facing is really them and how much it is Alan writing? I mean, the reason for their arguments and a rift forming between them is very understandable and also a tale old as time. A tale told by Alan and later on commented by Diana. After all - does it even matter? The arguments did happen, they did horrible things to people, they opened a rift to another world.

Maybe even without the lake and Alan they were simply "like that" - scientists who valued progress (or more likely the prestige of discovering something first) over human life.

But maybe not. Maybe it would have never gotten this bad. Maybe the lake would corrupt them but with Alan it had a purpose, it had a clear aim.

And Alan did it to find the best ending, sure. But he's the one creating the rules for himself, the one sticking to a genre that needs heroes, monsters, and sacrifices. What will happen once he realizes that it wasn't necessary? That all this suffering was due to him running in circles and being stuck in his way?

What I'm getting at is that I hope to see that once everything is done Alan gets confronted with the consequences of his writing and we see how he handles it. Not as a short TV sequence of him losing his mind, not as a miscommunication sequence between him and Saga, and not just the end result of him refusing to write.

Let him face it, deal with it and decide to do better now that he is even more powerful. Or not, let him deny it and spiral - after all maybe he did doom a marriage (and several lives). Just show it to us

[subjectsix]

the fbc (in genereal :) ) and repair !

one of my rats closed this post while I was working on it and I lost the progress, I was very sad ;u;

Power Cores are heavier than Kiran remembers them being, but nothing she can't handle. She rolls her shoulders back, lifting it up and pulling it close, letting the glow cut through the darkness. It lights up the posted instructions behind it, noting to remember to life with your back. She huffs out, something just shy of a laugh.

At least I know how to follow procedure.

She's never been afraid of the dark, but knowing what Cauldron Lake is capable of makes it harder to steel her nerves. Bureau work, especially Investigations work in the field, lives by "expect the unexpected". Darkness come to life. Staff members missing.

Living paintings. Bullshit geometry. If she never has to think of the word euclidean again in her life, it will be just shy of bliss.

Sparks shower out of the wires above. She hopes its enough to keep the Darkness outside at bay, thick and viscous, muffling the sound of the rows and rows of typewriters.

She hopes flicking the lights back on will fix those wires. Repairs are not part of her job description. Maybe if she had some electrical tape. Maybe find a step ladder, a pair of work gloves. That'd be her luck. Add it to the list of things she's cleaning up for Research out here.

Violation after violation of the Ash Act. Unbelievable.

Her team might have to make some arrests. HQ being dark adds an extra level of difficulty to it all. Sure, she has people she still reports and answers to, but not all the paperwork ends up where it needs to, and the split leadership between all these sites... it's a wonder someone hasn't tried to declare themselves director yet.

Maybe they have. Look at the Marmonts.

With a huff, she slides the Power Core into place over the receiving socket, and it clicks right in. The sparking wires surge-- a blinding confirmation that power is back (ish). Once she's pulled the lever for the lights again, the room changes, blocking her old path and repairing the strips of wires overhead.

A fair trade-off. The less time she has to spend in here fixing things, the better.

Her flashlight cuts through the darkness outside, illuminating the rows and rows of... what did Diana call them... ATDs? They echo on forever, endless.

The Darkness weighs around her shoulders.

The paint pulses, making her twitch, drawing her attention, grip tight on her flashlight and sidearm.

Light brings the room back into shape as she pulls the lever.

Kiran blinks, takes a deep breath, and steels herself. She's got to move forward. Deeper into the belly of the beast.

one word prompts

[velvetjune]

The Lake House | Alan Wake 2

“I keep coming back to this page. The author’s clearly Wake. It’s like he’s warning us, but about what?”

— Diana Marmont

[taniushka12]

I don't........... understand the timeline here.............. presumably return 3: local girl happens the day after the first two chapters and at the end of return 4: no chance is when estevez is introduced

the dlc being before all that makes sense but if diana kidnapped ed booker that would put it At Least after the events of return 1, and by the way diana talks about him he's been there for Some Time (short, but i'd say more than a day) AND it'd mean the marmonts got taken like right before estevez got into the building (which I guess would make sense with how ed is so chill and just now asking for some food...)

i guess that answers my question but good god, all of this happening in like A Day is insane, and after this estevez has the entire Scratch thing this woman really cant catch a break, literally the lake house's and kiran estevez's very bad not good day(s) 😭😭😭

[missvivisx]

diana marmont will google shit like "did alan wake ruin my marriage" "is alan wake spying on me" "if i paint my room the color of his coat will i get his powers" before going to therapy

the fbc like "we'll just toy with the powers of one of the cattiest parautilitatians ever to exist on the very border of his self-imposed Superpower Hell Prison. nothing bad will come of this"

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