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zalia · 2 years ago

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The timeline is definitely broken (oh god, trying to figure out when things happened in relation to other things for fic purposes is a constant pain in the ass), and none of it makes sense, absolutely. But just poking at a few points...

1. Regarding age... human lifespans extending to about 300 years also really changes how people conceive of time. We don’t even know what the 300 year lifespans mean. People presumably don’t age at the same rate, but does that mean they also mature much more slowly?

For us, a century is about the limit. For humans in the Destiny universe? It would be like my parents being born at the tail end of the 1700s. 500 years would have people’s grandparents remembering the Golden Age. That seems incompatible with the complete loss of technology and information.

2. It’s implied that the Collapse was not one event, but many events over years (I think it’s the Constellations lorebook). Natural disasters, strange diseases, possible monsters. I think it’s possible to think that some areas got hit harder than others, and some areas got hit later than others. So it might be possible for some knowledge to be regained, and then potentially lost again, and some places to be re-inhabited for a period, and then get hit by another Collapse related disaster.

I think at a stretch, you could say that the EDZ was an area which seemed mostly safe and untouched for a while, maybe even partly rebuilt, (We know there are people living in the wider EDZ now from this season’s lore, and they have a dam.) that then got attacked by the Fallen much more recently than the Collapse.

In fact, I think we have exactly that happen with London. We know that there was some kind of settlement (which seems fairly major!) of humans after the Collapse, but it fell to the House of Devils who broke the wall.

3. This is totally theoretical and not really ‘supported’ by canon, but I think it is plausible that the Witness using Darkness powers (which also seem to include gravity powers!) really screwed up how time works for a while, but potentially differently in different places. We know there are time rifts on Mars because it was looking for something, so I don’t think this is outside the realm of possibility.

4. I think one thing that also really needs to be considered regarding advancement, is the concept of a 'digital dark age'. Which in some ways we are dealing with now!

Basically, a loss of information from the digital age (so realtively recently) because data was saved in file formats that are obsolete, or needs software that is defunct, or needs hardware that we don't have access to. Or data becomes corrupted! I mean, I have a whole external harddrive which is 20 years old and I cannot access anything on it because I have no computer which would run the software needed to retrieve the data. (Think of all those CDs you're gonna struggle to access because CD drives are no longer standard in computers!).

And the Golden Age seemed to store most data as engrams. In-game, we have to go to a specialist to decode engrams and access the data in them. And the Cryptarchy on Earth has only existed as a formalised organisation since probably around the fall of the Iron Lords - Tyra Karn was one of the founders of the order. So it sounds like before that, decoding engrams was something done by a few random people with no connections, and no formalised system of passing on the knowledge of how to decode them.

Yes, there are physical books, but they decay easily. There are some repositories of data which may be more easily accessible but a lot of them seem to be in Warmind bunkers and other dangerous locations. If the Golden Age humans were generally storing all of their data as engrams then that is a *lot* of basic knowledge which was going to be lost for a long time. Even with Golden Age humans who survived the collapse, there's a huge difference between using an engram, and knowing how to decrypt them. I can use a USB stick, but if I don't have access to a computer that does it automatically, I have no goddam clue about how to access that data, or the processes needed to do so.

So yeah, I think it's quite possible that there is a lot of stuff humanity had to go right back to basics on. And for a long time, the basics were probably focused on sheer survival rather than anything more advanced. And when things did settle, there was still a lot of reverse engineering that had to occur.

The timeline is still a goddam mess and makes no sense though XD (Ask me about my feelings about how Osiris being ‘the only vanguard commander to ever be exiled’ is so much less impressive when you realise it’s literally only been him and Zavala (and technically Saint for 1 day). A 50/50 on exile is not a good track record)

Cloudstrider Monuments

Okay, i was gonna write this a while ago but never did. So, my boyfriend and I were hanging out in the Hall of Heroes after we finished the Strider exotic quest. My bf realized it there seemed to be way too many monuments around the room, considering the few things we knew off hand:

The collapse was 1600 years ago. We know this tidbit from Petra Venj. In the lore entry "Refusal" from Forsaken, there is this line: "She [Petra] bites back the rest: how she wishes that back in two-thousand-and-whatever, when the Darkness hurled mankind off the height of its Golden Age to plummet sixteen centuries into barbarism, it had done just a slightly better job." So we know that Neomuna have been around for approximately 1600 years.

Cloudstriders live 10 years, due to the augmentations they go through.

There are only ever two cloudstriders at once.

Alright, with this knowledge, we decided to count up all the monuments in the room and around it, which gave us 480 monuments. This number might not be entirely accurate, but it gives us a good estimate. Now let's divide this by two (since there are two cloudstriders at once) and we are down to 240. If this is multiplied by 10 (for the max amount of years a cloudstrider could live) we get 2400 years.

2400 years of Cloudstriders. Now, obviously this doesn't take into account that cloudstriders can die on duty (like Rohan), but it seems that the Neomuni live in relative peace besides occasionally dealing with the Vex. This also doesn't take into account the early days of Neomuna. We don't know how many cloudstriders there are at once originally, but it seems like there have never been many. We also don't really know how new/old of a concept cloudstriders are. Was Strider, the first cloudstrider, around 1600 years ago or more recently? So yeah, if we think cloudstriders have been around for 1600 years and you minus 1600 from 2400, that's still a good 800 years. It seems weird that there would be that many Cloudstriders. But who knows.

Honestly, my bf and I probably just over analyzed the Hall of Heroes after we got done roasting Quinn for being a bad archivist and having none of this important archival material to Neomuna's history backed up. So take this all with a grain of salt. Except for the 1600 years detail. I think a lot of people don't realize that D2 takes place in at least 3600 CE (and it's probably a lot later than that cause of we don't know how long the golden age was).

#destiny 2 #destiny the game

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brontios-helm · 2 years ago

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Destiny: Visiting Tyra

#destiny 1 #tyra karn #felwinter peak #destiny 1 tyra karn #destiny 1 felwinter peak #iron lords #old russia #destiny 1 old russia #earth #destiny 1 earth #ps4 screenshot #destiny ps4 #bungie

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scout-fang · 4 years ago

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Im going to miss them all 🥺😭😞

#destiny 2 #bungie #ada 1 #Tyra Karn #Mithrax #Brother Vance #Asher Mir #deputy commander sloane

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renarinkholin · 4 years ago

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Let’s Talk About “The Young Wolf”

So the Destiny fandom as a whole has really latched on to “The Young Wolf” when referring to the player character Guardian, and this is a little strange to me. Not that people like the title (I don’t care for it much, but that’s a difference of taste thing) but that the fandom treats it as The One True Title/Name for our Guardians, as declared by lore.

I wrote up a meta response to a post about a week ago, and just used “our Guardian” throughout, then mentioned in the tags that I don’t care to use “The Young Wolf” because I don’t really like it. I got a response that basically said, “I agree with your meta but people use The Young Wolf as their title because it’s canon and using ‘the Guardian’ is confusing and terrible.”

But is it really canon that this title is the main title amongst the many, many titles and accomplishments our Guardians have picked up? I decided to do some searching and my conclusion: It really isn’t.

Lore Check

NPCs and lore call our Guardian “Young Wolf” only 17 times in Ishtar Collective, which searches through lore books, dialogue transcripts, item descriptions, etc throughout Destiny and Destiny 2. The use of this title happens in three different cases: 1) used in the context of the Iron Lords/by Saladin directly, 2) used in a list of titles and accomplishments, as one of many, 3) used by non-Iron Lord characters in a general sense.

Saladin and the Iron Lords The first usage accounts for the majority of the title’s appearances, 10 of them total. Of these, 7 are said by Saladin, who gave our Guardians this nickname, 2 are by Tyra Karn (one of which she uses “A Young Wolf of the Iron Lords”) and 1 is when Shaxx calls you “Saladin’s Young Wolf” in the Homecoming opening mission of D2. I’m not going to screenshot all of these, but feel free to look them up if you want.

One Title Amongst Many The second usage, when it appears amongst many other titles, happens 4 times across the games: two times in Calus’ prophecy fanfic about us, once in Saint-14’s eulogy in the Corridors of Time, and once in Phylaks’ dialogue during her Empire Hunt.

Other Cases There are only 3 times where NPCs use “The Young Wolf” as a general title to refer to our Guardians. Vyhar calls us this in that his Ghost’s Fragment, Osiris calls us this in the Season of the Hunt’s transmission from him, and Saint-14 calls us this once while talking to Ikora.

Conclusions

The fact that the overwhelming majority of times we hear someone in-game or in-lore call our Guardians “The Young Wolf” it’s either Saladin using his personal nickname for us, someone referring to our status among the Iron Lords, or someone listing off a bunch of our titles and accomplishments. The fact that there’s only 3 times ever that it has been used in a general context, and two of them showed up this season means that I really can’t take at face value the notion that the “Young Wolf” is our main, general title. If the fandom wanted to just pick a title out of a hat at random amongst the many we’ve picked up, sure, it works. It is a title our Guardians have. It’s nowhere close to being the title for our Guardians.

In the grand scheme of things? It’s a pretty minor title. In fact, it’s mostly one character’s nickname for us. What’s the accomplishment here: “played Rise of Iron’s story campaign”? That’s the accomplishment the fandom has decided to define our player characters by? It’s baffling to me.

After all, Emperor Calus decided to call us the Shadow of Earth, and that shows up in lore far more times numerically than “the Young Wolf.” Drifter calls my Warlock “Snitch” every time she plays Gambit because she didn’t side with him. I don’t see why either of those would be any more valid as a general title in the same way Saladin’s nickname, “Young Wolf” has become.

There’s better general titles out there. A whole bunch of characters refer to our character as “The Hero of the Red War,” including Asher, Saint-14, the Drifter, the Spider, Aunor, even a random Titan named Joxer. In lore, that seems to be more of the go-to “general” title for our Guardian in D2. And that makes sense, if we’re talking about our Guardian in the context of Destiny 2, it would make more sense to use their title that refers to them completing the vanilla campaign, not a random D1 expansion that, lore-wise, is pretty forgettable.

There’s a whole handful of titles we’ve got as a result of killing Oryx: Kingslayer, Destroyer of Oryx, Slayer of Oryx. In terms of importance, that’s a way bigger deal than finding and containing SIVA. Or “Crota’s End” for killing Crota.

All in all, I think if we’re being honest, the devs try pretty hard to avoid giving our player characters any kind of name or main title in-universe. It’s tricky to write dialogue that way, but they do a pretty good job of it. Most of the time people refer to us, we’re just “the Guardian.” Or vendors will refer to you by your class as a title. Or a specific character will choose to give us a nickname and that specific character calls us that, which is what happened with Saladin. The few times where the writers are narratively written into a corner and they need someone to use a general title for us? They just pick one at random, it seems.

Anyway, this is a long post that probably will not really have an impact on anything. And in all honesty, I’m not trying to tell people that they should stop referring to the Guardian generally as “The Young Wolf” or that it’s bad or something. I just find it weird that this one got stuck in the fandom’s brain like this, and it’s one that you won’t see me personally using in a general sense because I find it to be kind of lame and I don’t think Rise of Iron was all that narratively important. I don’t really care about Saladin and I don’t see why I should pretend like his nickname is my Guardian’s general name in fandom spaces.

When I write meta, you’re going to see me using “our Guardian” or “the Guardian,” because that’s the general name the game gives. I don’t think of my Guardians as “the Young Wolf” any more than I consistently think about them as “Crota’s End” or “Shadow of Earth” or any of the other multitudinous titles we’ve accumulated over the years. They’ve done lots of things and they’re all of those titles technically. They’re just my Guardians though.

People can refer to their Guardians however they want, and I’m sure “the Young Wolf” is sticky enough at this point that people are probably just going to keep using it in the general sense. But I take issue with assertions that it’s the game’s canon main title for us, or that it’s the objectively correct thing to call our Guardians. It’s not, it’s a minor title among many, and I personally am not interested in doing it.

PS: If you read this whole post, you deserve a bowl of spicy ramen, on me! Have a coupon for it.

#the young wolf #destiny 2 #destiny the game #destiny meta #destiny #tbh i find the title just kind of boring #but every time i see a general destiny post use it as The Name For Your Guardian i just squint and go 'why tho'#there's better titles or also you could just call them The Guardian #why'd we pick salad man's weird nickname for playing a pretty forgettable d1 expansion as The Main One #i definitely do not consider my guardians 'the young wolf' any more than they're like any of the other nicknames npcs have given them #its like if i started writing general meta about how The Shadow of Earth killed Uldren Sov in Forsaken #like lol that title has nothing to do with them at all #anyway this was mostly pointless but i HAD FEELINGS so y'all get a long post about it #i put it under a cut at least

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sundayswiththeilluminati · 5 years ago

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Legend of Acrius

“In the Cabal legend, a hero seeks to possess the sun. He succeeds. Then he becomes Emperor. The Cabal…are not a subtle people.” —Tyra Karn

Type: Shotgun

Slot: Kinetic | Energy | Heavy

Element: Arc | Solar | Void

Perk: Shock Blast - This weapon fires blasts of high-damage Arc energy that overpenetrate enemies.

Trait: Long March - Detect enemies on your radar from farther away.

Masterworked Traits: Deeper Pockets - Increased ammo reserves. Trench Barrel - After a successful melee hit, this weapon gains increased damage, handling, and reload speed for a short duration—or until three shots are fired.

Ornaments: The Emperor’s Pleasure, War Beast Skin

Origin & Description: Legend of Acrius is another enemy weapon Guardians can acquire, this time from the Cabal. The Cabal Empire is one of the four main hostile factions in the solar system, and maybe the best at war. They're basically space Romans if Romans were seven feet tall and built like bipedal rhinos in mech suits and also had dealt the Guardians their biggest defeat in the history of ever. Both male and female Cabal serve in the armed forces and are indistinguishable to the human eye when suited for combat. Out of combat, females can be identified by the pair of forward-facing tusks along their lower jaws that emerge as they reach adulthood. The Cabal rule a massive interstellar empire that stretches way beyond our solar system - we’re the equivalent of a troublesome border province to them - and have conquered multiple worlds and multiple “client species”. Among the latter are the Psions, a species kept more or less in permanent bondage for their unique mental powers.

In Destiny 1 we only had a minor Cabal scouting legion to deal with, though they still caused massive headaches; but in Destiny 2 the Cabal drive the base game’s plot. See, that scouting legion reported back to the current emperor, Dominus Ghaul, describing among other things the ruined-but-still-potent Traveler and the incredible feats accomplished by those gifted with its Light. Hearing these stories, Ghaul decided to come to our system personally to take the Light for himself and his own elite fighting force, the Red Legion. Ghaul had unexpected aid in the form of one of the Nine, who - man, let’s not even get into what the Nine are right now, it’s enough to just say they’re mysterious and very powerful - who concealed his approach until he descended directly upon the Last Safe City. The Guardians fought back, of course, but this wasn’t Ghaul’s first rodeo. The Red Legion brought with them a giant boot designed to confine the Traveler (which, fair, it's been illegally parked for centuries) and cut off its power. And - well, it worked, and it sucked. Without their Light newly-mortal Guardians were cut down by the Red Legion before they realized what happened. The old Tower was destroyed in moments and the City occupied within the day. This invasion, which became known as the Red War, devastated both the City and the Guardians. In other words...we got our asses kicked.

Eventually we clawed our way back into the Light and into the City, kicked the parking boot off the Traveler, faced a Ghaul energized with stolen Light, got our asses kicked again, then had the Traveler go "oh my god FINE I'LL DO IT" and vaporize Ghaul itself. Oh, we also had to destroy a Cabal superweapon aimed at our sun along the way. It was called "The Almighty." Yeah, that bit about the Cabal language having no word for "hubris" is right on the money.

Although we toasted Ghaul the Red Legion is still in our solar system and they're nothing if not trained professionals equipped for the long haul. They've occupied Mercury and Mars and are actively scavenging resources and technology to build their forces back up. The Spire of Stars raid involves killing the new leader of the Legion, Val Ca'our, to keep them on the back foot; they're no longer an existential danger to the City, but Red Legion forces still pose a major threat to anyone outside its walls.

As if it weren't enough that we have to deal with Red Legion holdouts, there’s another Cabal faction in our solar system: the Loyalists. Ghaul became emperor by deposing the previous emperor, Calus, who had also become emperor by force (remember, space Romans). Calus led a populist revolution to topple the ruling military Praetorate and eventually the deposed ruling class struck back. After the coup Ghaul and Caiatl, Calus’ daughter, put him and his loyalists on a prison barge called Leviathan locked on a course for the edge of our galaxy. Problem is, Leviathan got there. And when it did, Calus went outside and encountered something...else. Something pyramidal, and hungry, and imminient. And long story short Calus is now hanging out in our solar system aboard the Leviathan, by now retrofitted into a kind of colossal world-eating Space Vegas, drinking and yelling about how it’s the end of the world so let’s fuckin party. Calus’ hedonistic nihilism started off kind of funny, but it wasn't until the Season of Opulence that we learned just how dark his philosophy really is, what he means by "the end of the world," and how serious he is about his determination to be the last being alive. I won’t go into details because the details are gross but among other things Calus basically had his future-predicting psions write a fanfic describing the murder of every single character in the game, often in grotesque Hannibal levels of screwed-up. The dude is off his fucking rocker, is my point.

Unfortunately Calus is also very smart, and as the former ruler of a military dictatorship he knew exactly how to get the Guardians on his side from day fuckin' one: loot. Tons and tons of loot. The Emperor is more than generous with his (obscene space future-tech) wealth, and the sad truth is Guardians will do anything for shiny guns. So for the time being the sentiment towards him in the new Tower is neutral to slightly favorable, which is astonishing given the Cabal literally blew up the old Tower. Me? I hate him. Calus is actually the only character in Destiny lore whom I hate. Not as in he's a bad character - in fact he's an amazingly well-written and -acted character - but as in I hate him, and I hope Rasputin feeds the Leviathan some antimatter ordnance as soon as possible.

Calus decided upon seeing that world-swallowing fleet of Darkness that there is no possible hope for any living being and the end is certain. Having decided that, he then asked himself what a loving and generous god-emperor (as he believes himself to be) would do in this situation. Naturally the answer was to conquer any civilization that tried to fight back against said tide of Darkness - because resistance is futile and fighting back will only prolong their suffering, so a kind god-emperor like himself who has seen the truth must force them not to prepare for an unwinnable war but to pass the time they have left joyously. Embrace your life today - pass your days in gluttony and hedonism - and then embrace your death with the same enthusiasm when Darkness comes. In other words it's not enough that he's a fatalistic, selfish coward, he's making war on anyone trying to fight back to force them to be cowards as well. You can see, perhaps, why I hate him.

Anyway, Legend of Acrius is his fanciest gift thus far. It's a Cabal shotgun, and having been murdered by numerous Cabal shotguns, Guardians can attest to their potency. Unfortunately, there’s a catch: have I mentioned lately that the Cabal are fucking huge? The scout rifle Skyburners’ Oath, a regular-sized gun for a Guardian, was made as a sidearm for a Cabal elite. Legend of Acrius? Is the actual size of the actual Guardian trying to use it. Equipping it cripples your mobility stat, noticeably reducing your movement speed and jump height. In return you get a “shotgun” that’s more like (somewhat) portable artillery. Two years and a few hundred light levels since its introduction Acrius’ railgun-style Arc blast still slices through crowds and puts down big-ass damage numbers on the scariest bosses in the game. When paired with rapid-reload perks like Lunafaction Boots, anything you point it at won’t be bothering you for long.

With the disappearance of Leviathan around the same time as the Black Fleet's arrival, Acrius' acquisition quest has changed to simply purchasing it from the Tower's Monument to Lost Lights. Its two ornaments are also both Cabal-themed. "War Beast Skin" changes its surface to resemble the rough red scales of Cabal war beasts (or "knife dogs," to use their Guardian name). "Emperor's Pleasure" changes its Red Legion colors to the white-gold-purple of Calus' Loyalists.

Destiny 2 Compendium Armarum Exoticarum

#Destiny 2 #Legend of Acrius #Emperor Calus #Dominus Ghaul #The Cabal Empire #Destiny Compendium Exoticarum #this is the wager of existence #Destiny

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sophasil · 7 years ago

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@bosmer Top 3 kissable destiny npcs

1. Ghost

2. The Fallen

3. Tyra Karn

Honestly bungie doesn't want you to know this forbidden knowledge but I'm too powerful to stop now

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theinfiniteaurora · 7 years ago

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Destiny 1 Briar Facts

they’re in chronological order

Briar was resurrected in a young forest in the rocky mountains

Endless curiosity off the bat. Her first sentence was "Where am I?" Quickly followed by. 'Who am I? Who are you?"etc.

When Briar asks her ghost what their name is, they panic because they've never thought of it before and chose the first thing they notice in the background, it's a fern.

It took her half a year to reach the tower, she kept delaying by exploring the world around her.

Briar's first encounter with an alien, and subsequently her first death, was when she accidentally ran into an Eliksni den when exploring a cave. Everyone was so surprised that they stared at each other for a solid 30 seconds before the shooting started. She barely made it out alive, but in her haste she fell off a cliff outside the cave and died.

Eventually her ghost convinced her to go to the tower by saying that there would be answers to all her questions there.

At the Tower she is directed to Ikora Rey, who Briar has an immediate crush on.

Once she gets established at the Tower she gets frustrated at the lack of answers, or vague answers, to her questions.

She decides to find answers by herself, and practically lives in the archives.

She meets a lovely Cryptarch in the archives one day and they have a nice chat. Briar forgets to ask her name. It was Tyra Karn.

Perturbed and angry with finding only more questions she tries to get information from her ghost. Fern says that they don't remember much about the times, and can't answer any questions. Briar becomes immediately distrustful of her ghost, shouldn't they know a lot of this stuff? Are they lying to me? Fern replies that finding Briar was more important than anything else!!! Briar is shocked and flattered, which ended the argument.

Briar got so caught up in trying to understand everything and how it works, that she devolved into obsession. At first it was Researching, then Dissection, and eventually Vivisection. Anything and everything she could get her hands on, even herself. This escalates, until she couldn't satisfy her itch to know more. She started eyeing City Citizens & other guardians, especially the Awoken & Exos. Her ghost confronted her about it. Only after she threatened to vivisect her own ghost does she realize how far she really was going. She went to Ikora Rey to find a way to curb herself

Ikora does a few things to stop this. First, she instructs Briar in proper meditation to help Briar center herself. Second, Ikora begins to send Briar on simple fetch quests to the city so she can gain some empathy for the people living there. Lastly Ikora assigns Briar to a Fireteam, up until then Briar didn't interact with her fellow guardians much.

Briar's fireteam, later called Fireteam Perihelion, is made up of an Eloise-18, an exo titan, and Lorelei, an Awoken Hunter. Eloise is very happy to have a new fireteam, Lorelei is less than thrilled.

#Destiny the game #Destiny 1 #Briar Aureum #My oc #I'll post more later

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