#despite the allegations a lot of them are actually pretty great ppl

[existencebringsonlypain]

yk sometimes I forget that polyamory isn't a normally and commonly accepted thing and almost ask a question regarding it to a priest and two religious sisters (nuns but not)

[plutoswrath]

Heyy! I was catching up on your NCT rising sign posts and firstly it was sooo cool to see how in-depth u and other go that’s my fav like if u wanna guess risings u can’t just go off of looks! U gotta think any house and planet placements lol the whole thing. I wanted to come here to share my thoughts on Chenle and Heachan specifically bc I recently put a lot of thought into it for some reason lol

For Chenle I know he’s a sag/Scorpio cusp but I rlly think he’s a sag and I was running the numbers and for him to be a sag he would have had to been born after 3pm! I used to be rlly confident he was a cap rising bc he has intense bone structure and eyes but not in a Scorpio way, more in a strict saturn way. But to be a sag puts him past a lot of potential rising signs so the only ones left that have him at sag sun were Aries to Libra. I played around w some of them and I feel like he could be a Gemini rising! It makes sense cuz he’s known for being sooo friendly, bright, curious, and playfully witty and snarky. Here’s the selling point tho, depending on the time it could put his Gemini Saturn in first! Which explains why he looks like a cap rising to me lol

I’m bringing Haechan into this too bc I know a lot of ppl think he could be a Gemini rising and tbh I’d still buy it but I wanted to propose another idea. I think he could def be an Aries rising! And that would put all the sign in their natural house which I think makes sense w his Leo moon in 5th and the Gemini in 3rd etc. and when I try to compare him and Chenle in regards to whose more of a Gemini rising, it makes haechan seem less like one. He does act b Gemini cuz I mean he has 3 Gemini placements lmao..,, but Aries rising are loud, opinionated, independent, but also has that bored or distracted easy Aries thing. Quick temper, very like what I see is what I want. they’re not a curious as Gemini and they can be outgoing but their focus isn’t rlly on like inquiring about people like Gemini?

Anyways that’s my theory lol I just wanted to bounce ideas off someone who gets it! I love theorizing

Hello! Ohh, I love theorizing as well, so this is the place for you haha x

So,I hope it's okay but I think with the recent info that Haechan allegedly confirmed his birth time (which I personally take with a grain of salt because I've read that he apparently talked about his birth time before and said it was around 12 pm so....we gotta take his word here but I think we all generally know one has to be critical with all casual mentioned birth times from celebrities, but guessing peoples rising sign is for fun so in the end it's not that serious and let's have our fun disecting the chart with the info we have now!!) I want to talk about Haechan's rising sign first!

So one thing that always stood out for me when it came to Haechan was that he seemed very sensitive to me. It's almost like it's kinda written on his face when he speaks (or doesn't) and I think by the way he acts (very animated and reactive) it just underlines this sensitivity and just emotional receptivness. So I wasn't really suprised to see that he has a Cancer Mercury. Being a Gemini sun already places a huge empathize on his Mercury sign, and Gemini with the influence of water really makes for some pretty reactive people, because they can be highly sensitive to the words, moods and hidden intentions of others. Makes one really moody as well, especially if it's a Gemini with water influence but that's just a random fun fact I wanted to add on asdfghkl. If we take his alleged birth time into consideration, he'd have not only a Scorpio rising, but also a Pluto in the 1st. I think the look of his eyes can be pretty droopey at times and yet very focused/piercing at the same time, kind of like he challenges you in that sense, and this is certainly a theme I noticed in a lot of Scorpio risings, especially if they have Pluto in the 1st as well (which a lot of second/third decade Scorpio risings have). Also, having his Chart ruler in the 1st and in the opposite of his Sun and Venus would explain why he is kind of 'on and off' in that sense with his energy and moods (when you watch him in interviews with 127 especially, behind the scenes, at vlives, etc), especially him asserting his presence in the room with a Sun opposite Pluto would make a lot of sense (btw, this is all written in a neutral perspective and no critique, this is just me explaining his behaviour with astrology here). Haechan also is extremely 'scheming', even when he just sits and doesn't talk in an interview he seems to think ahead and I think this os something that comes really naturally to him, just connecting the dots and adding his own twists and turns to a conversation and story. Also, his Mercury in the 8th adds to the sensitivity I got from him, and that with his Scorpio rising and Pluto in the 1st really add to his driness at times, just really flat with his responses and reactions (which come pretty quick and surprising as well). And let's not forget his Uranus and Neptune in the 3rd: very distinguished and unique voice, as well as having Uranus in the 3rd would contribute to his 'on and off' switch but generally very high energy he has, especially when having a conversation. Despite that having Sun and Mercury in the 7th in a conjunction makes one really sociable in the sense you could feel the need to communicate and interact with others (especially when the Sun in 7th is involved, outs great empathise on being with others, lack of social connections can result in strong lonliness at worst). Oh and not to forget he'd have a Virgo MC with a Scorpio Ascendant. For me at least, it only adds to the fact that Haechan is really a jack of all traits, Virgo MC people usually come across as pretty capable and are pretty self composed (also can come across as quiet judgy and they don't even notice it).

OKAY I WILL STOP NOW ITH HAECHAN WOWIE LET'S MOVE ON TO CHENLE okay so I think I've mentioned before that I think Chenle's face has strong Cancerian/Jupiterian vibes for me - his bone structure is phenomenal ofc, but I think his face seems kind of 'stretched' (same with Taeil) which is btw not (!) meant in any negative way because that doesn't exclude being pretty ofc. I know an anon before mentioned that they believe he is a Sagittarius rising but with him being a possible Sagittarius Sun that would explain the effect of his Cancer Jupiter! I think I once talked about him reminding me of young Leonardo DiCaprio so much that I just wished for him to be a Libra rising, but to be fair I think an Air Ascendant would make sense for his nature in general. Ex: to have a Libra rising he'd have to be born around 2am, which ofc would make him still a Scorpio but would put his Cancer Jupiter in the 10th house, also in a possible exact conjunction to his MC (and even if not it's still the closest planet to his MC). He'd have his Moon, Mars and Uranus both in the 5th house which would generally explain his extremely friendly nature (if we can believe Johnny's rising and I sadly kinda doubt it tbh because I can see him just trolling us with his birthtime I'm seeing the parallels here) and why it's so easy and probabl also important to him to conenct with others and be on good terms. Generally speaking I find him pretty jolly in nature and I think if he'd have his Jupiter in the 10th, possibly conjunct his MC and an Aqurius stellium in the 5th (+ possible Libra rising) that could be it. He'd have a Scorpio stellium in the 2nd house with his Sun in the 29th degree, and even if this is said to make people closed off, part of Scorpio in the 2nd house is a) maintaing close and intimate relationships is key for them, they really need that and b) they trive on being liked and admired. Not to say that he is fake in that sense (all people are to an extent but that's beside the point) but this can definitely add to a general charisma! But idk if Chenle is actually 'edgy' enough for this potential birth chart, probably not I believe

Another possible rising sign I thought for him was actually Taurus rising, putting his Sun, Mercury and Venus (exactly on the Descendant here if it would be in the 2nd decan) in the 7th house and his Aqaurius stellium in the 10th, Jupiter in the 3rd. With his Sun being already in Sagittarius I think it would add to a natural 'want to feel good' attitude and searching for pleasure and good times in every situation and Aquarius in the 10th can make for very sociable people, even if they feel more introverted in that sense they have an easier time making connections with others, or others feel drawn to their friendly and understanding nature. Also, his Jupiter in the 3rd would be in a trine woth his Venus in 7th (especially if it's on the Descnedant) which can grand him an easy hand with social groups and settings to begin with!

And I really like your idea behind the Gemini rising, depending on the decan, his MC could still be in Aquarius with his Aquarius Mars in the 9th conjunct his MC and his Uranus in the 10th conjunct his MC as well, and again, putting his Moon in the 10th. Idk but his Aquarius stellium being possibly in the 10th just really seems to resonate for me 🤠🤠 Also, having a Sagittarius Sun in the 6th would make him most likely someone who's easier to work with, because these people value having a good and rather lighthearded atmosphere around them. Very enjoyable and loyal as friends and extremely passionate in their work place/when they pursue something their heart is in.

[roominthecastle]

Your GSR posts are making me wanna do weird things. Like cuddling. Or confessing I used to love that CSI spinoff… yes, THAT one. Idk what was wrong with teenage me. *comparing my formative years with yours* It’s a miracle I even cross path with you lol. And I had no idea they’re having so much fun in Vegas! Should I watch the show? I’m still in Lizzington hell and I’m afraid of what GSR might do to me…

Anon… this fabulous mess of a message made my week, thank you! now let me repay you in kind with a mess of a reply behind a cut:

I, too, feel a lot of odd things as a result of this CSI trip I’m on rn. Should you watch it? Of course. I will never not recommend this show. Everybody who reached out to me in the past few days is scared of the ep # but worry not, guys. It’s great for sporadic watching, the eps are pretty self-contained and interesting puzzles of science and human nature w/ the best/worst puns ever, and you don’t have to eat it all up in one go.

While - imo - ships can’t really act as replacements of each other, I think GSR can offer some “shelter” for people tired of the insulting triteness being peddled on TBL. It def hints at what Lizzington might have looked like if the creative control at TBL weren’t in the hands of a bunch of manchildren who have 0 clue how to write complex dynamics and seem to think romance is about beating the shit out of each other, then bone and get married bc only bitches hold grudges for being lied to, cheated on, exploited, and gaslighted. Good ppl know those are actually signs of a person learning to love you and you should reward that behavior to support their alleged personal growth at your expense. And if those vile acts are not part of the relationship, if genuine care/interest independent of sex is shown, that can only mean the characters are secretly related but still lie about it for no reason whatsoever and cause pointless pain and suffering. This is the blueprint for relationships on that show and to call it embarrassing is an understatement.

Sara was originally brought in as Griss’ love interest, but that lousy 1D label was soon discarded and they developed her into an independent, intelligent character w/ her own set of demons to battle, which she did consistently and unapologetically. It lead her to some very dark but necessary pit stops, she was sometimes downright abrasive and difficult, but her desperation never felt pathetic, only deeply human and Griss responded to that. Granted, I’m still in the middle of the rewatch and have several blanks to fill, but I honestly can’t remember a time she was short-changed to serve an idiotic fuckboy plot or be a prop in Griss’ own arc, or have any kind of manufactured drama for drama’s sake. This is prob one reason why they struggled so much since neither character was torpedoed to fast-track some flashy-but-empty drama, and there was no need to manufacture problems when staying true to characterization provided all the organic angst fodder necessary to propel the characters forward. Sara carried the torch for Griss until her arm almost fell off, but it didn’t prevent her from whacking him with it when his behavior got hurtful and unacceptable. It didn’t prevent her from walking away when she needed to, either. And Griss had his own deep seated issues to work through, which he was eventually willing to do on his own instead of expecting Sara to put up with them. That is character growth. Stuff like that wasn’t brushed aside by Sara going “aww it’s okay, honey, you never did anything wrong ever and my obscenely tolerant love will wash away all our problems which we never actually address.” GSR is, imo, a pretty accurate, mature portrayal of 2 dysfunctional people falling in love and trying/learning to make it work w/o losing themselves in the process.

The “lab dynamics” are also v curious bc Griss - despite him trying to repeatedly escape the “assignment” - is the “awkward dad” of the team, and several ppl consider him a father figure (he struggles with this a lot but when he finally embraces it, it culminates in at least three of those scenes that triggered the waterworks for me like whoa). Cat is his “work wife” but they also have some bro-sis vibes going on. Brass is like the cool uncle, the brother Griss never had who also looks out for Sara. And so on, and so forth. So there is a complex pseudo-family here, but what the CSI writing team “discovered” is that you can have a meaningful family theme going w/o it taboo-ing a romance within the unit or rendering it automatically pathological or acting like age automatically assigns you a specific role. Many from Sara’s peer group in the lab looked at Griss as a father figure and were mentored by him. Sara was among those mentored yet she looked at him differently. It’s that simple and their relationship still made for a complex story w/o any convoluted plot padding, father figure detour, or baiting or some other form of annoying shadow puppetry.

In short, I think GSR can be the air you come up for after being submerged in that giant nonsensical mess Red/Liz is being turned into for the sake of “shocking” twists and “organic” developments. It can only help you, anon, so don’t be afraid of it. ;)