#dds3

[capsiclesteebrogers]

very late at night thought but the daredevil fandom would be just a little bit better if people started to recognize just how toxic and abusive matt*lektra was and how much it fucked matt up.

[raidouversusthesoullessarmy]

>Put Devil Summoner 2 in DVD reader

>Look inside

>Digital Devil Saga 3

[152glasslippers]

They've announced neither Karen nor Foggy are expected to be back on the d+ shows, and I am DEVASTATED. Daredevil (and potentially the Punisher) without Karen or Foggy?! 😭

pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter

[heidiamalia]

@it-may-be-dull-but-im-determined throwing me off a cliff with the tags

more kastle thoughts -> THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE

frank literally shot a gun at her and karen’s only response to this after meeting him was “but maybe he had a good reason 🥺”

karen says she used to hide in a closet as a child, wanting to be far away from her home, and frank stares at her like she put the stars in the sky

like imagine meeting someone at your very worst, when you’re essentially an animal, someone who SEES YOU and WANTS TO KNOW YOU so much that you have no choice but to respond to it. imagine your soul being awakened like that. and the only reason you met that person is because your family was slaughtered in front of you.

every time karen yells at frank actually he just looks at her like “I guess I’ll just get on my knees now???? would that please you ma’am????”

[elen-tari2]

Another wardrobe connection that has fascinated me: Karen wears the same blue flowered blouse in DDS2 when she tells Frank he is not a monster and in DDS3 when she confesses to Foggy that she killed James Wesley. She wants him to tell her she is a bad person, since she shot Wesley seven times because she wanted him dead.

I can’t think of another time Karen repeats an outfit, so I feel like this is an intentional choice in the show.

Karen fights for Frank to retain his humanity, always seeing him for who he is, despite what he has done, because if even he has a chance of doing some good in this world, with any hope for redemption, then maybe she can too. Otherwise, she must concede—she is a monster too.

It is endlessly frustrating as a viewer Frank never knows any of this about Karen when their connection is woven into the very fabric of her character.

I really wish it had been Frank to be the first person with whom she could talk about Wesley with. It would have made for such a powerful scene. (But shout out to Foggy for being the best goddamn friend ever and caring so much about our girl.)

*Image credit: The first pic collage is from Pinterest. The second is my own screenshots bc I couldn’t find that scene online.

[usaigi]

Matt Murdock's Age (because it bothers me)

it just doesn't make sense and I refuse to believe that Moon Knight is canonically younger. The marvel wiki says Matt was born in 1985 which grrrr does not make sense if Daredevil S1 takes place in 2014. What was he doing for so long that he didn't pass the bar until he was 29? You're telling overachieving nerd Matthew Murdock who has wanted to be lawyer since he was 9 was fucking around with his degree?

If Matt graduated high school at 18, finished undergrad at 22, and law school at 25(and interned over the summer between 2nd and 3rd year or the summer after 3rd year), he should be 25. Obviously Charlie is older so I think it makes more sense to say that Matt either took a year off between high school and undergrad (unlikely), did a whole extra year in undergrad (makes sense, if he wanted to do a double major. Although, it's more expensive, I honestly just think he'd do 18 credits), or took a year off between undergrad and law school (year to study for the LSAT or work or something). Plus a year at L&Z as an intern and to study for the bar. Putting him at 27 at the start of DDS1 in 2014.

I want to kiss this person on the mouth, they made a whole spreadsheet with dates mwah. So based on this:

DDS1 2014 Matt is 27 DDS2 July to December 2015 Matt is 28 Defenders November 2016 Matt is 29 DDS3 Matt wakes up around Jan 2017, season takes place Oct 2017 Matt is 30

There are some inconsistencies (Matt saying Stick has been gone for 20 years), I'm choosing to believe Matt is bad at Matth and is rounding up to be hyperbolic.

The snap happens in 2018, Matt is 31 If you think he was snapped, he's 31 in 2023 when he's snapped back If you think he wasn't snapped, he's 36 in 2023. She Hulk takes place in 2025, making Matt either 33 or 38.

Marvel (usually) likes to make the characters younger than the actor and while we'll have to wait to see if Matt was blipped, I'm inclined to believe he's in his early thirties rather than late thirties. Especially if Disney wants to soft reboot him.

No, I won't take criticism 😊

[twdmusicboxmystery]

Bethyl Asks 102 - Codron's "Missing" Campaign, Western Theme, DDS3 Preview

[catholic-character-tournament]

@shadwife

It’s argued that both are allegories for Jesus, but it isn’t really explicit. I think it’s a stretch for Shadow. Knuckles literally walks on water in the Archie comics though. I’d probably put Knuckles as allegory since that’s why people are voting for him, and Shadow as headcanon.

i didn't get an answer yesterday and I need to make the graphic so right now I have them both as fandom meme. For Knuckles, what exactly makes him a jesus allegory? Walking on water doesn't make a Jesus Allegory, it's just imagery. Is he a spiritual teacher? Is he a political or social activities? Do bitches hate him because he's challenges the status quo? Does he get killed by the state or people in power? Is he resurrected?

for the next round, I'm including a banner for when a character is canonically catholic, implied to be, headcanon, jesus allegory or not catholic (anglicat). For the sonic characters(knuckles and Shadow), are they coded or is it a headcanon???

[bullseyelover]

FACELESS BENJAMIN “DEX” POINDEXTER aka BULLSEYE in the Bulletin Attack DDS3

[fortysevenswrites]

Fic authors self rec! When you get this, reply with your favorite five fics that you've written, then pass on to at least five other writers. Let’s spread the self-love ❤

Tagged by @astarkey! Thanks!

Hopefully writing about this will give me the kick in the pants I’ve been looking for the last week to finish one of my current SK WIPs….😬😬😬

1 we don’t make the future, we just know it (pre-canon SethKate)

Look y’all, this came to me while I was in the shower and is cracky and absurd and one of the best things I’ve ever written. Two and a half years later and I’m still obsessed with this ridiculous little fic. It’s insane. It’s hilarious. It’s ALSO TECHNICALLY CANON. And I love it so much. It never fails to bring a smile to my face.

2 Good People, Bad Beer (post S3 SethKate)

Seth and Kate bonding over shitty beer and making out against the back of a car after surviving Matanzas, what more can you ask for? I re-read this one A Lot. It’s so good. I love it so much. Seth being dumb about them while Kate is sitting there super certain about them both is one of my favorite dynamics to write for them.

3 not the same (post TPS2/DDS3 Kastle)

Maria gets a pass out of the afterlife and uses it to browbeat her erstwhile husband into committing to get a better apartment and matchmaking him and Karen. Because of course she would. Maria Castle totally ships it, and it works because I said so and it’s not like anyone in the comics actually stays dead anyway.

4 watching over someone from afar (post TPS2 Kastle)

This was a BEHEMOTH inspired by a Sailor Moon quote and it’s such a delight. There’s nothing I love more than putting Karen together with the Lieberman family, and especially with Sarah. The dramatic scenes between Karen and Frank, especially the one right after Frank called David freaking out because he thought she was missing when she was really just snowed in at their house was just so much fun to write and it’s a beast of a fic but so much fun to go back to. Also fun to throw in those bits of Karen traumatizing Foggy on purpose.

5 There Is No Easy Way To Explain (post TPS1 Kastle)

“Karen, I know you kind of got thrown in to the whole paralegal thing, but did Matt and Foggy not teach you a thing about ethics? Specifically, the ethics of not sleeping with your client? Especially the clients on trial for almost forty fucking homicides.” - okay but like, this fic has some of the best one-liners I’ve ever written, and Marci’s POV is SUCH a fun sandbox to play around in. She’s just like..how do you LIVE and Karen’s like…hot marine with an eight-pack ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honorable mentions, because I could not resist: what died didn’t stay dead (you’re alive, you’re alive in my head) SethKate, post S3 and Seth just does not understand how Kate is alive because he’s in awe of her, which, duh. Chapter 4 of The Strongest Stars one-shot RebelCaptain, Jyn and Cassian aren’t easy to write and this was just a fun bit of banter, It Often Rhymes Damerey takes a jaunt to Naboo and I choose not to care that Force Ghosts don’t work like that, Going Through The Unimaginable Damerey, post TLJ and they're all stuck on the Falcon and was just really fun to write, Three People, Two Reunions, One Room In Medical (RebelCaptain, post ANH - it’s a crime that Jyn and Leia never got to interact outside of some of the comic canon)

Tagging: @myletternevercame, @tuntematonkorppi, @the-restless-brook, @heidiamalia, @ninzied, @152glasslippers, @theputterer and basically anyone who wants to partake. Congratulations, consider yourselves tagged!

[skullsandwhiteroses]

Maybe I should get out my red nose and funny-colored wig, but I’m willing that they’re saving Karen for a more Punisher-centric show if they aren’t bringing her back/can’t bring her back for Daredevil. I want to believe Feige isn’t dumb, he has to know how big a deal Kastle is and how magnetic Jon & Deb are in scenes together. I’m probably not going to give up hope until the show airs. Future me can deal with processing the loss if it comes 🤷🏻‍♀️

As much as I’m happy for Jon coming back I’m also sad as The Hollywood Reporter is saying that both Deborah and Elden won’t be back as Karen and Foggy. :( They’re not sure yet if the roles will be recast or just written out. My guess is maybe a mix as I’ve already seen rumors they recast Vanessa and possibly Elektra, as well as given Fisk and Vanessa their son pretty much confirming this Matt and now Frank are the MCU’s versions and not the part of the multiverse the Netflix shows took place in. So that could support a recast likely for Foggy. I personally don’t think Karen’s even going to be a character especially with Matt already having at least 3 love interests in the MCU now with Jennifer/She-Hulk, Maya/Echo, and if there is a new Elektra. Though I still wouldn’t rule out Karen if they make a “Punisher” movie/show and maybe this MCU version of her, hopefully still Deborah, knows Frank but not Matt. I’m still going to watch as I still love all the characters and to see the MCU versions of them, but I will miss Deborah and Elden and possibly their characters so much.

ETA: I forgot about how in the comics storyline of “Born Again” all that bad stuff that happened to Karen so it’s a good thing she’s not there for at least that so none of it will happen to her, but still said she likely doesn’t exist in the MCU or at least everything that happened in the Netflix “Daredevil” show never happened in the MCU (except maybe “The Punisher” which would be interesting how they’d write that).

[ceterisparibus116]

Hi! Idk if you’ve ever answered this before, but I’m confused as to what exactly a conflict of interest is? I’ve googled it multiple times and I think I sort of get the gist, but it’s one of those things that I can’t entirely wrap my head around without someone basically spelling out to me. Like- if someone is a defence attorney, would they be allowed to defend their best friend in court? Or it that conflict of interest? How does that work?

I really love your fics and all your meta about Daredevil btw :)

You're totally right to be confused - it is confusing! A conflict of interest is literally anything that could cause the attorney to struggle to prioritize the interests of their client.

Literally. Anything.

(Which makes it hard to google. I googled it and got this, which, yeah. I only know how it makes sense because I took a whole class where like 50% of the class was on conflicts of interest lol.)

The specific example I see more than anything in criminal law goes like this:

Two defendants are in a car; illegal drugs are also in the car. To whom do the drugs belong??? Each defendant claim the drugs belong to the other!

Obviously a defense attorney can't in the same breath argue "these specific drugs belong to X, not Y" and also argue "these specific drugs belong to Y, not X." So if the attorney takes X's case, then there is now a conflict of interest with Y.

This is also seen in DDS3 where DA Tower points out that Matt and Foggy aren't just there to protect Nadeem: they want to use Nadeem to take down Fisk. This is fraught with risk that something that would be effective at taking down Fisk would also really hurt Nadeem's case. But Nadeem waives that conflict of interest (albeit informally, and in part because Nadeem is also interested in taking down Fisk), so Matt and Foggy are able to continue representing him.

The best friend thing is a conflict of interest if the attorney is unable to be objective. There are hints of this in the Ella series, although it's never explicit. Whether it's Foggy representing Matt or Matt representing Karen, there are times when the attorney makes choices based on how they think of their client as their friend or wife. For example, as Marci pointed out in You Are My Strength, Matt should have told Marci what he knew about Karen's history with Kevin - and he didn't. Marci, at least, believes that this was not the sort of detail he'd forget to mention if Karen were just a normal client.

But again, the conflict can be waived by the client. So if the best friend (or wife, or whomever) trusts the attorney to be objective, they can agree to have the attorney represent them even though the relationship isn't strictly attorney-client.

Anyway, overall, a conflict of interest is anything that causes the attorney to care about anything other than the client's case. It's very broad.

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

I feel the final fight in DDS3 would be improved if Karen was up there fighting alongside Matt, and it was a 2 on 1 on 1 fight. I think that would've improved things over having Karen and Foggy sidelined.

You mean against Bullseye or Fisk? I liked that it was Matt alone but it could have been great to have Karen and Foggy show up right when Matt is so close to killing Fisk... so that they could see how he managed to stop himself and showed right there and then the great hero he is. Considering their reluctance to accept his vigilantism for two entire seasons (+ Defenders), it would have served them well. Then add to that a scene towards the end where they apologize and finally choose to accept that side of him and it would have been amazing.

[pertamax7]

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[breckstonevailskier]

And I'm left asking if these Kastle fans even realize that Frank doesn't really treat her all that well, and largely uses her to get information that furthers his own goals.

I think they forget things like how he shot at her and Grotto in a crowded hospital with a shotgun. He then tried shooting at her car as she and Grotto drove off, which could've led to her wrecking. He later used her as bait to draw out the Blacksmith. And he crashed a truck into her car and left her unconscious and bleeding on the roadside as he went to kill Schoonover.

Fast forward to TPS1, and Frank only reaches out to Karen when he needs info from her, and doesn't offer her any condolences over Matt. He also arguably put her in danger during the Lewis Wilson affair by coming after Lewis against her wishes, and practically goading Lewis into blowing himself up while Karen is still in the blast radius.

And in DDS3, Frank didn't get involved when Fisk was going after Karen as revenge for Wesley's death.

Yeah, I'd say a lot of that ship is primarily rooted in "a man and a woman form sn emotional connection, and we can't fathom the idea of it being platonic", IMO.

my question is do people even like or are interested in karen page outside of a shipping context? cause going through her tags on here it's nothing but karen being discussed in terms of shipping her with frank and almost 90% of it is karen x frank content...doesn't that speak to the level of how interesting and compelling she actually is if people are only interested in talking about her when it's time to ship her with frank 😬 and barely anything about the merits of her own character? 😬 just pondering i guess

I mean, it's Tumblr. Shipping is basically this site's bread and butter. Especially given that Karen is a secondary character, it makes sense that most of the posts about her are shipping-related. That's just an issue with the data pool, lol.

You do you, but for me, I prefer to engage with media on its own terms, and decide its merit based on the text itself. While it can sometimes be useful to take into consideration the thoughts of the masses, in general I don't think that's a reliable indicator of the quality of a text (or a specific character, in this case). People are extremely influenced by the opinions of others, and that's only exacerbated in a social media context. Opinions change and shift over time, which is normal. Things that were once beloved have since been panned. Things that were once lambasted are now lauded. Look at the works of Stephen Sondheim, for example; the general opinion of audiences at the time were rarely indicative of the quality of his work (I'm reading his biography so it's on the brain rn, lol). So for me, no. I don't necessarily take into account the internet's opinions when I am engaging with a text.

Personally, I find Karen Page incredibly compelling, both within the context of her various relationships, and on her own merits. Her arc as she goes from a foolhardy, reckless mess to a confident, intelligent, even dangerous journalist is one of the highlights of the show to me. As is her struggle to come to terms with her feelings for Matt and what he does, and the concept of extralegal justice at large. I love watching her work through a traumatic past, continually fall into old toxic patterns, and claw her way out again. To me, that is compelling, regardless of what people on the internet think.

Again, you do you—people are free to like or dislike a character, to ship or not to ship, what have you. But I don't think that the easily-swayed opinions of Tumblr or the internet at large is an objective indicator of the quality of any piece of media—especially when people are predisposed to dislike her because of ingrained misogyny.

[lifeisjustalonelyhighway]

Daredevil Season 3: Karen’s Favourite Outfits