#csniper

[fellerhour]

the virg

[falseflea]

Guy who doesn't play about tfc.

[nishnormp]

Been seeing certain types of fanart the past month, can I propose smth

They all have different ideas of what their relationships are like . Cheavy is somehow the least repressed . No one knows whats going on . Cmedic's disappearance/retirement caused crazy drama . They are all terrible

[ao3feed-tf2ships]

Camaraderie

read it on the AO3 at https://archiveofourown.org/works/61007101

by Lightspeed

Fred doesn't quite get Virgil's innuendo when he mentions heading to Spy for some "camaraderie". In asking for clarification, he stumbles onto his answer. Well hell why didn't Virgil just ask him?

Words: 479, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English

Fandoms: Team Fortress Classic

Rating: Explicit

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Categories: M/M, Multi

Characters: Engineer (Team Fortress Classic), Sniper (Team Fortress Classic), Spy (Team Fortress Classic)

Relationships: Engineer & Sniper (Team Fortress Classic), Sniper/Spy (Team Fortress Classic), Engineer/Sniper/Spy (Team Fortress Classic), Engineer/Sniper (Team Fortress Classic)

Additional Tags: Misunderstandings, Innuendo, Anal Sex, Coitus Interruptus

read it on the AO3 at https://archiveofourown.org/works/61007101

[humanname2]

So, I've just remembered that Merasmus was alive during TFC so....

Curses I think the TFC Mercs would get if they annoyed Merasmus!

Cheavy: Every time he gets angry he will catch fire. ( Yes this is in reference to TBTF)

CSpy: His hands are on backwards. Cuz how can you backstab if your hands are backwards, also even if he disgusted his hand will still be on backwards.

Virgil (Csniper): his vision is turned upside down, so his aim just gets f*cked.

Bea(CPyro): Anything she lights on fire turns into ice or water instead. She cannot control wether it's ice or water.

Greg( CScout): he turns into an inconveniently large snal, with the permanent feeling of salt and vinegar getting into a cut in hid mouth. Causing him to lose health because of the cuts and the fact that salt kills snails.

Greg(CDemoman): Anytime someone referse to Scout Greg, he thinks their talking about/to him. Resulting in numoruse awkward 'oh's and silences.

Fred( Cengineer): he has the constant feeling to hug his son. But since Dell is in Texas and Fred isn't, his constant need to hug Dell will never be satisfied. He'll also have the constant feeling of needing to sneaze, but the sneaze will never come.

Ross(CSoldier): His skin is constantly irritated to the war paint on his face, he cannot take off the paint.

CMedic: he is turned into a child with no memory on anything. So he's confused as hell, and cannot heal anyone. He also gets infected by any bio-weapon he uses against the opposite team, with or without his mask.

[darrowfire15]

TF2 in and TOH Universe

So, I had this idea a few days ago. Lemme lay it out.

Main Mercs

Scout - A half-witch, half-bipedal demon hybrid. Forced into Illusion magic, but wants to do Bard magic. Has a Hare palisman named Knucklehead.

Soldier - A witch. Practices Beast Keeping and Abomination magic, but mostly a Wild Witch (emphasis on "Wild"). Has a raccoon palisman named Lieutenant Bites.

Pyro - A bipedal demon who is a Wild witch. Has a Unicorn palisman called "Hudda hudda" (no one knows what it actually translates to).

Demo - A witch who practices Potion magic and owns the biggest Apple Blood factory. Has a Macaw palisman named Alberdeen.

Heavy - A towering bipedal demon who practices Abomination magic. Has a Bear palisman named Sasha.

Engineer - A Grimwalker who practices Construction and Healing magic. He built an artificial staff and uses artificial magic.

Medic - A witch who practices Healing magic, but is not part of the Healing Coven anymore. Has a Dove palisman named Archimedes.

Sniper - A Titan under the impression he is a Bipedal demon. Practices Oracle and Potions magic, but mostly a Wild Witch. Has an Owl palisman called Sir Hootsalot.

Spy - A bipedal demon who practices Illusions and is working for the Emperor's Coven. Does not have a palisman anymore.

Coven Heads

CHeavy - A bipedal demon. Head of the Abominations Coven.

CMedic - A half-witch, half-bipedal demon hybrid. Head of the Healing Coven.

Bea (CPyro) - A Beast demon. Head of the Bard Coven.

Virgil (CSniper) - A witch. Head of the Oracle Coven.

Fred (CEngineer) - A witch. Head of the Construction Coven.

Greg (CScout) - A witch. Head of the Plants Coven.

Ross (CSoldier) - A bipedal demon. Head of the Beast Keeping Coven.

CSpy - A Basilisk. Head of the Illusions Coven.

CDemo - A bipedal demon. Head of the Potions Coven.

[katy-133]

(Spoilers for The Naked and the Dead TF2 comic)

Omg, I just realised-

When Classic Sniper shoots Spy, it's in the leg. Spy is disguised as Classic Engineer, who has metal prosthetic legs. So if CSniper was wrong, the bullet wouldn't have hurt CEngineer.

I love little details like that.

[number1yisuchongfan]

My full version of Cmedic aka Dr Rubén Pacifico Jabir Rodríguez

Some info on Cmedic:

His personality is a mix between Spy from Tf2, Aracade Gannon from FO:NV, and Augustus Sinclair Esquire from Bioshock 2 + that “smoking army doctor” stereotype. He’s 5’6, second shortest (the shortest is Fred, who’s 5’3) and 3rd youngest (the youngest is Greg aka CScout who was born in 1906 making him 24 by the events of tfc), and is by far the most sane out of them all.

He’s can be very sarcastic and pessimistic at times to the point it pisses people off. Cheavy has been “accidentally” used as his personal ashtray at times as well but Cmedic always makes it up to him. He also tends to stay away from alcohol when the tfc mercs ever went out to bars, mostly just dancing to take his mind of it.

He can be very nice but most of time he’s too tired or just doesn’t care enough to deal with anything more than picking up a few papers and smoking (his clinical depression makes this worse). Cheavy and CSniper or Virgil worry about him constantly, Cheavy as a romantic partner and Virgil as an older brother figure.

He came to New York City from Panama with his parents (His father is Honduran and his mother is Panamanian), who were doctors themselves but found it tough to keep jobs in the US. He ended up being a provider for his family, much like Scout, and is a lil momma’s boy and while he and his dad became strained (they still love each other).

Cheavy actually got to meet them for Christmas once and got so embarrassed around Cmedic’s mother he could barely stay in the same room as her (he is over a foot taller than her). No matter how many Cmedic explained to him that his mother actually thinks he’s quite a nice man; Cheavy worried she hated him. Cmedic gave up after that.

His story after tfc is.. convoluted. He and Cheavy ended up getting married but he had a sense that something was going to happen, so for nearly 8 after their marriage in the summer 1939, they were at peace, started growing old together. Until one day he got a call from the Administrator, who he knew from his work with Mann Co., and she forced his hand into up and leaving his life for her. He had rejected at first, leading to many near death experiences for Cheavy in the weeks after the call. Cmedic realized if he wanted to protect Cheavy; He had to leave him. So he divorced him, the whole thing coming as a blindside to Cheavy, and became the Administrator’s spy. He recruited Engineer to become a part of the group after the teams disbanded.

He’s also very gay, and I mean GAY. He doesn’t let people really know he is (for safety reasons) but the rest of the mercs but Cheavy (he realized two weeks later) clocked him as as gay guy

Now have some art of him + Cheavy:

[blubushie]

Monsieur Blu, your blorbo opinions on Sniper are very accurate, and I would like to add on to the discussion of why mischaracterisations are so common.

I do apologize if my wording in this makes me sound like a pretentious cunt, this is simply how my brain uses words when writing something thoughtful.

Preface: your opinions, although very good and accurate, are not canon, for they aren't explicitly depicted or shown or mentioned within canon. So I won't be calling them canon, but rather, canon-compliant. That is, your characterization of Sniper as a bushman, who is a strict proffesional hitman, who lives in a modified Land Rover series 1 with a cabover camper, is not wrong. In fact, all of that is literally canon. But there are few things that are genuinely, no ifs and or buts about it, rigidly canon. And, because of the nature of tf2's story, so much of what we can gather about the characters outside of the rigid canon is simply that- gathered assumptions. Like, we can gather that Sniper has absolutely spent time alone in the bush, and that he prioritizes thinking of things in a logical and practical mannor, rather than prioritizing thinking about what counts as "civilised" and "appropriate", especially in social contexts. He does what he has to, and is comfortable in doing those things basically shamelessly. For example: He abruptly headshot csniper, point blank, completely starkers. And proceeded to walk about, completely starkers. After sitting down next to spy and casually having a smoke with him, completely starkers. But none of what I wrote before the example is explicitly said, it's all gathered info. Sniper isn't shown skinning a rabbit and sorting through its meat and bones and viscera in order to eat and save the extras for later. He isn't shown tracking and hunting game. He isnt shown drinking the bitterest coffee to grace the earth, or smoking pot. And although some things seem obvious and make the most amount of sense, or seem incredibly accurate to his character, to the point where that thing is basically canon, my autism does not allow me to ignore the distinction. And so, I call it canon-compliant. Mostly for my own peace of mind. Yes. Rant over. Onwards.

I think the whole uwu blushes madly gulps loudly and stutters like a broken record thing comes from the Basic Knowledge you gain of Sniper's character. Through either playing the game and interacting and consuming canon content like the comics and whatnot, or through interacting with and consuming fan content through tumblr or twitter or fanfics, etc.

The latter being much more likely to lead to mischaractarisations of characters. In fandom, folks obviously have their own interpretations of literally everything, but there are some common themes that I suppose would be called fanon (an implicit collection of concepts and ideas that are often used in fan depictions of characters, but don't explicitly exist (or often don't exist at all) in the real storys canon.), that have become very common over the around 12 years that tf2 has had a storyline.

Now, there was a poll conducted a bit ago on tumblr that asked about the tf2 fandom's interraction with canon. How many people actually played tf2? How many people read the comics? How many people do both? How many people do neither and only interract with tf2 through fandom and fanfiction?

And that last one got a surprisingly large percentage of votes. So it's safe to say that fanon definitely has quite a bit of significance within the fandom, and it's not just an insulated thing that gets shared around a group of people. I'd say, in fact, that newcomers to tf2 are far more likely to be exposed to fanon than they are to be exposed to canon/canon-compliant ideas.

And oftentimes, the Basic Knowledge one gathers about Sniper upon consuming fan content, is as follows:

- Reclusive and quiet

- Awkward

- Tall and lanky

- Deep voice

- Speaks strine

- Lives in a camper

- Pisses in jars

- Cherishes proffesionalism

- Hates spies

And most of that is not... technically wrong. Although it is a very shallow, uncritical, reductive analysis of Sniper's character, it's not wrong. But because of how much time all of that has spent marinating within fandom, parts become exagerated or ignored. And what was once a very basic understanding of the character, becomes the understanding of the character, alongside a myriad of added tropes and ideas. All of it becomes further and further removed from canon.

It's like trying to draw something from memory 20 times over the course of 2 years. You spend a good hour studying what you're about to draw, but after that, you never see the thing again, you never reference the original source material again. It's completely from memory now. You're going to forget some parts, you're going to add on new parts, you're going to explore new ideas, you're subconsciously going to be influenced by the media and content you consume, which tends to change over the years. Your drawings will likely start to resemble the source material less and less.

And every once in a while, you may catch a glance at the thing you've been drawing from memory, and you get a refresher as to what it actually looks like. And maybe from then on you'll draw it more accurately to the source material. Or maybe you'll ignore it, and continue drawing the thing your way, because you've come to like the changes and additions you've applied to it over the months.

Or, you'll see someone else draw the thing in a different but intriguing way, a stylised way, and you find yourself adopting aspects of how they drew the thing in the intriguing and stylised way. You'll adopt the way they make things more angular and rough. Or the way they crosshatch meticulously to indicate shadow. Although these changes seem minute and insignificant, they add up, and eventually you are left with something entirely unique to what your source material is.

And I think that's what's happened with our beloved bushman. He has undergone so many interpretations simply because of the sheer size and age of tf2. And there are eras to it all, and the most common fanon depictions is often dependent of where you consume your tf2 content from; whether its from tumblr, twitter, deviantart, instagram, reddit, or the game and the steam community itself.

Not all artists use references in the same way as eachother. Some do browse the tf2 wiki and refer to the comics in order to get as accurate of a depiction as possible. But some use other peoples' depictions as references. And maybe there's a popular fic that many people read, or a drawing that many people saw, that influenced other artists to also borrow and use and base their own drawings and writings off of.

Shy reclusive clutz who doesn't know squat about intimacy or how to People is simply a popular trope, and having Sniper be all of that clashes in a funny way with his professionalism in a way that a lot if people enjoy. Like, you're telling me this worldly survivalist assassin, man who has slept in the corpse of water buffalo tougher than all of us, happens to also be a pathetic wet cat of a human being who can't sustain basic conversation without being irked by the Anxieties? This man, who will shag you silly, unflinchingly and confidently, but when you wake up the next morning in his bed he's as red as a robin and stuttering about clean clothes? That's silly. That's amusing. I can see why it's popular to make him like that.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with fanon or ones own interpretation of a character. There's nothing wrong with adhering to canon as closely as possible. If someone claims Sniper as their wife and makes that their own fanon, so be it. We can all coexist. Mmmmyeah.

Ok thank you for reading this thumbsup

Good morning!

(And I don't think you sound like a pretentious cunt. It gives me "theorising over cigars and Scotch with old English bloke in a 1930s smoking room" vibes. I like it!)

I try to keep as canon-compliant as possible. Sniper is confirmed to be a former hunter of dangerous game turned assassin, and he's shown drinking his coffee black, the rest is merely speculation both on his canon characterisation and my own experiences and assumptions on my life. I rarely comment/speculate on the canon incarnation of a character for this reason. On this blog for example Sniper is Sniper and Mundy is Mundy. My characterisation and interpretation of him is Mundy, if I say Sniper I'm referring to him as he's depicted in canon.

Also I don't think he smokes hooch because, again from my own experiences, bushmen develop a very delicate sense of smell and the smell of hooch is overwhelming and disgusting to me. Smell like decomposition in a way.

And I do think a lot of the mischaracterisation issue is because of people not consuming everything they can from the fandom. The comics teach you that Sniper can be cold and bloody calculated, that he always felt like an "other" growing up, that he has no qualms walking about in the nuddy when he's on the hunt, that he treasures his family and seeks his parents' approval over everything, and that his mantra of "be professional" is sometimes taken to the extreme, for example when he's raised from the dead and his first thought of all things is "Being dead's the longest holiday I ever took. Time to get back to work."

Fanon often infects people's interpretation of canon characters. I see it a lot with Pyro, where he's always chipper and upbeat and uwu soft boy and never goes absolutely apeshit like we see in his very own Meet the Pyro video or even the comics (The Bear Scene, cutting off Soldier's hand, burning Ross and Greg alive).

I reckon a part of that is why my characterisation is good? That makes me sound like I have tickets on myself, but I was told once that I have one of the best characterisations of him a reader's ever seen and I will carry that compliment until the day I die, damn it! I was never involved in the fandom until I started writing. And I came here to kind of promote the fic I guess? I never consumed fandom content outside of art, and I don't usually gravitate toward "domestic" art but instead the mercs in action as mercs. My interpretation of him is strictly from what I've seen in canon (be it in-game dialogue and items, the Meet the Team videos, Expiration Date, the comics, the Sniper vs Spy update, etc). I never really consumed "fandom" media and I can't count how often my immediate response to something is "Canon Sniper would not say that."

But I keep my mouth shut about it, and I move on. There's no point in arguing, especially over something so petty.

I think he can still be anxious and professional, especially since I'm anxious and professional. I get nervous when people approach me, but I don't get red in the face or flustered or stutter. I mask and keep it under wraps because I have a certain image I have to uphold in the name of professionalism. No one will hire someone who's a fumbling, stumbling mess. They want someone bold. Sniper wouldn't have gotten any clients if he was actually the way he's often depicted in fandom. He can hold a conversation, but he can also be made more and more uncomfortable the longer it continues on. It's a careful balance and something he'd suffer through for the sake of professionalism until he couldn't take it anymore and politely excused himself.

And he'd never do it with a client.

And yes, he's absolutely the type to be keen on a confident root and then be a mess the next morning because he usually leaves before his partner wakes up and now he has no idea how to handle the Aftermath.

And I reckon a lot of it is also my own experiences? I'm a bushman who lives in the Australian Outback like Sniper, and a hunter of dangerous game, like Sniper. One of the last, really, and I reckon a part of me does feel I have a sort of... authority, I guess, on certain aspects his characterisation? On what this kind of life does to you and makes you feel as a person, of how it changes the way you act and think. Maybe that's why I write him the way I do? I relate to him as a character better than most can, I suppose.

And sometimes I even take offence to certain assumptions about him, especially ones that aren't really thought through in fanon? Like the idea he smells like piss, or he's always dirty. Sure, there's some dirt and dried blood on my clothes, but I wash up every day because hygiene is very important out here. Maybe the reason I'm so stingy about his depiction in fandom is because I'm a lot like him. I don't want people saying I'm a dirty bushman or that I smell like piss because I don't.

I suppose it just hurts sometimes to see people's interpretation of what Sniper must be like and see that reflected onto me because I'm so much like him. I'm not shy, I'm introverted. I don't panic when someone approaches me, but I do get a little nervous until I know what they want. I'm strong and capable and I wouldn't have survived this long out here if I weren't. I'm level-headed. I'm quiet, because that's what the job requires. When you're alone long enough, eventually you just stop talking entirely.

People talk about representation a lot and I've never once felt "represented" until I found out about Sniper. There's I suppose a mild exception for Crocodile Dundee, but he's largely made out to be a buffoon and doesn't really get to show off his actual bushman knowledge until the second movie. Sniper is the first character I've actually felt represented by and "clicked" with who's been treated seriously by his own creator, and I enjoy that. I'm used to being the butt of a joke (bogan, short, etc) but with Sniper? He's respected as a hitman, as an assassin, as a hunter. I envy that respect that other characters in canon show him.

But I don't typically comment on things I think people get intrinsically wrong since I feel like an arsehole doing it. I just judge silently.

[mickmundy]

So, any thoughts on how Medic’s sadism plays out day to day in the relationship? (x)

OMG yeah actually! i've written a fic about the differences in medic and sniper's "professional codes"! ^v^ i think that's one of their Big Differences that they're both keenly aware of but ultimately respect. while sniper is Staunchly against sadism as a personal practice, i think he also respects The Art Of The Kill and can appreciate medic's love for death and carnage, even though he carries more of what i would describe as a "respect" for life And death. i hate the fanonization of medic's character with all of my heart <3 i personally can't stand the "oOoH medic tortures his coworkers against their wills!" bc frankly i don't think he'd be interested in it. it would be very annoying to have to chase nonwilling test subjects down as opposed to working with willing ones! which the mercs all are, as seen at the end of meet the medic. they're all in line (willingly; none of them seem even remotely nervous LOL) to get the uber heart!

imo sniper is someone who really values his values and thinks himself a professional (in this case, framed as the Opposite of a sadist) and, when it comes to killing, Is. despite csniper killing him with petty "gut shots", sniper returns the favor by "mercifully blowing his head off" instead of torturing him first. sniper also carries a lot of respect for life and death (growing up in rural areas, enjoying hunting, making his own food, sleeping in corpses of water buffalo, etc, i think he'd have really interesting thoughts on this concept as a whole), whereas medic Fundamentally Disrespects it and seeks to Defy it (Cooler Reasoning for healer character as well as his obsession with revival/his uber technology/etc). medic enjoys watching sniper kill and would just loooove to see those Precious Professional Principles slip juuuust a little bit...! hoo! i think they're both very interesting takes! i could make a massive post about this too because it's something that i love about both of them uniquely as characters but also as a ship! neither of them try to change the other and both carry respect for what the other does and how they do it. they poke fun at each other over it... medic leans in to give sniper a kiss on the battlefield and stops short, smirks and says "ah, ah... this isn't very Professional of you, Herr Sniper (something he only calls sniper when he's teasing him like this <-)!" and sniper grins crookedly and runs the tip of his nose over the side of medic's nose and says (in his low/"scoped" voice) "you Are a cheeky sadist, aren't you? <3" and medic hums and pulls away and is like "i suppose you'll have to find out when we're not working!" and trots off and giggles and sniper huffs and finds himself daydreaming about medic literally all day long... all according to medic's plan! >:) HEEHHE!!

[0alix0]

Well, since no one draws art about it, then I will do it  ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ ( ye i returned )

Speedpaint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQQbvFa08tk

[fellerhour]

Vhs on the clock

[thetriggeredhappy]

the idea of a reverse running blind au is interesting! thank you for talking about that that's so cool. there's potential there for an analysis of sniper and his connection to (or rather, disapproval of) csniper which could be interesting but i'm not nearly familiar or awake enough to do that justice

mostly what was exciting was that you accepted and played with the idea of sniper being disabled! i am myself, albeit with more issues that effect my whole body, mostly, so that was really nice.

just um. thank you! idk if you even thought that much about it but it meant a lot and it was really exciting

yeah tf2 as a base source material doesn’t leave necessarily a ton of room for interpretations that try to use the mercs to discuss disability—closest i’ve seen are involving things like mute/selectively mute Pyro, talking about the Engineer and his prosthesis, and one interesting interpretation i’ve seen that talked about Scout dealing with the long-term effects of previous bad sports injury and surgery and etc. and i know i tend to imply more common ones like chronic pain and chronic fatigue (especially for sniper), but fanfiction is a wonderful place to induce and discuss more dramatically debilitating life circumstances and i think that’s a beautiful thing

[spys-small-hands]

Sometimes I think about how Sniper, in the comics, was shot twice. By TFC's Sniper. And I think about how it's stated that he's not a "professional" like our Sniper, sure he's good at shooting people but he wants to see people suffer. That's why he didn't go for a headshot. He wanted to see him die slowly.

But, what's the point in taking out the Sniper? Logically, Classic Sniper should have shot Spy, he's the one there that has the most potential in getting out and fucking shit up. But no, he doesn't think about the logical reasoning, he shoots twice and kills someone they don't need, so it's all fair game.

I kinda don't think that CHeavy saying "he's supposed to be dead" means that he ordered CSniper to kill Sniper specifically, just that "hey, we shot that guy, that means we wanted him dead". He probably didn't care who died, as long as Miss Pauling - the person who has the information they need - doesn't get hurt.

I don't know, this was a sort of loose thought, but it's always sort of bothered me that it was Sniper specifically that was killed.

[dastardlydapperbastard]

Ouch

Send: “Ouch” to my inbox for a random, sad or distressing headcanon about my muse.

Content Warning: Mentions of Violence, War, Death, PTSD, and Torture

I really like the moment in the comics where we see Spy genuinely terrified for his life after being shot by CSniper. Spy’s venerable/thrown off his rythym moments are so neat because their rarity leaves a lot of room for speculation.  

If you take his moment of panic and add his “you snipers are the worst people on the planet” line to it, there’s some fun potential connotations. I HC that Spy has some sort of trauma related to snipers in particular. Maybe something went wrong, maybe a floorboard creaked and our boy got kukri’d hard, or, in this specific Spy’s backstory:

Being French and notorious, Remi and Michael, his eldest brother and longtime work partner, were hired as part of a mercenary black ops spy squadron during the Vietnam War.(I developed this based on a picture in his room that turned out to not be what I thought but hey my city now) They weren’t the MOST loyal to either side particularly, and this made them some (more) enemies. 

The squadron was betrayed, captured, and tortured heavily, but the brothers managed to escape. And then Michael was killed by a sniper. Spy only survived because this sniper wanted to take his time, and didn’t head-shot him immediately. Shooting to wound made just enough time for a young soldier to come to Spy’s rescue.

[confessiontf2]

“What the fuck does the key word "Apricot" mean and why did the CSniper say it a lot and Spy kept fucking screaming it once he was shot?”