#csem mention tw

[werewolf-cuddles]

Someone said on Twitter "it's not that antis think icky art is the same as CSEM it's that they think CSEM is as trivial as a drawing. They feel the same level of disgust to both (none)" and that opened my eyes so much. I refuse to try to get antis to see reason anymore. I have seen antis say 600 children being tortured is the same as a house fire.

Antis are anti-survivor more than they are anti-fiction

"It's not that antis think icky art is the same as CSEM, it's that they think CSEM is as trivial as a drawing"

God, that really does just sum up the issue right there, doesn't it?

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

BEGGING for people to stop saying child porn or even worse kiddie porn like oh my god please just call it child sexual exploitation material (csem) or child sexual abuse material (csam) i thought people knew that by now.

[freakstrider]

I’ve had to deal with a devastating issue today; and I feel like us Proshippers need to have a conversation really quickly about something very important.

Drawings of real minors in sexual situations should not be created or posted. Ever.

I’ve made that mistake when I was 12, and it still affects me deeply to the point I call myself a CSEM victim because of my stupid and immature decisions. (Actually, if you knew me when I was Destroyalition, you might’ve seen my vent posts about how bad it affected me when I was younger.)

I understand if you’re a selfshipper and want to show your love to your f/o by drawing you guys in romantic situations, but drawings of real kids in those situations are risky. Sexual drawings of that nature are something we should be warning kids not to draw at all. I don’t want anyone else to feel the same pain and grief and anxiety I felt after learning what I drew was harmful and illegal.

Please, be careful. Don’t let adults draw you in sexual situations. Don’t let yourself make a dumb and immature decision. Please stay safe and be careful.

So Minor Proshippers. Listen up. There’s an alternative that is safe to this called creating OC self inserts. Please use those instead to your hearts content. Make sure they don’t look like you though, and please heal.

I just feel like this needs to be specified to the MAXIMUM. I am dearly sorry to everyone who was as immature as I was, and made the same mistake. Take this as a warning, don’t learn the same way I did. Stay safe.

[xx-slug-xx]

//tw- mentions of pedophilia, csem, csa, and lolicon

Guys, please please please don’t use the term CSEM to refer to fictional pornographic drawings that involve fictional characters who are depicted as minors

I can’t believe I have to say this, but I’ve seen too many people, just in the past 24 hours, use the term to describe porn that someone drew

Holy shit, lolicon and the like is not CSEM, CSAM, or CP just because a hypothetical and fictional minor is involved in the art. Those terms are specifically used when talking about real sexual abuse cases involving real-world minors.

Fiction cannot be CSEM because it doesn’t involve the direct sexual exploitation and abuse of a real minor! The creation of these pieces of media do not involve the direct harm of a real minor!

Just say “lolicon” or “fictional porn involving fictional minors”. Just use something, ANYTHING, that isn’t used to specifically identify real life abuse materials! Please just don’t use a term that has this much seriousness attached to it as a means of labeling fictional content that you don’t like, even if it triggers you!

You being uncomfortable doesn’t justify the misuse of a term that is used to directly describe abuse, and it makes real victims of CSEM feel like shit when you label some random anime girl as a “victim” right next to them. Because, get this, when you label something fictional as CSEM, CSAM, or CP, you are inherently insinuating that there is a victim involved in the creation of this media, which is inherently untrue with fiction. STOP DOING THIS!!!

[aspengenic]

I'm going to rip my hair out, this girl is so fucking disgusting, I.

Sorrynotsorry, that's in the same vein as "it's okay if you watch/draw/write/read CSEM because you're not hurting a child!"

Get some help oh my goddddd

[justproshiprants]

At this point I don't even really care if someone thinks loli/shotacon is gross, but I really do care when someone calls it CP or CSEM, especially in a context where it's initially unclear whether they're referring to actual, real CSEM of a child who was inherently abused and exploited or...an anime character. Like, even if you think it's gross, surely there's a big difference between these things, right? Right??

[proshipconfessions]

i hate how proship blogs get taken down constantly. meanwhile, the other day i reported a minor who was posting explicit photos of themself and tumblr's stupid fucking bot-run support straight-up denied the report....

but nooo we gotta protect the fictional characters, forget about the real kids being exploited online (sarcasm)

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[poisonousfreek]

reporting a teenager for csem when it's just two teenagers being horny is fucked up by the way. in some states that could land them on the sex offender list and it's almost impossible to get off of there once youre on.

[leaf-goes-rabid]

if antis wanna actually help people how about they go back in time and save me luh mao

"thats cp"

EEEHHHH WRONG

the term is CSEM

its not real its literally a drawing of some fictional dude

if u wanna save ppl from that shit yall shoulda been there was I was 2-9

[xx-slug-xx]

antis think basic online safety is bad

like they talk so much about pedophilia/online grooming but don’t share stuff like red flags to look out for, then they think not telling anyone your age or putting “minor” in bio is also bad

And speaking of minors, I know of a minor who is very deep down in the pro/anti discourse and is “protected” by adults. The worst thing is that I know way too much personal info about them (because of what they posted online), and of course I’m not going to do anything with this info but imagine if someone else who is dangerous had this info, and they don’t care

their adult moots went after me for pointing out how DANGEROUS this is. This minor also made a face reveal twice because they thought proshippers were stalking them, and fully grown ADULTS surround them and see nothing wrong with it

I can’t prove anything, but I highly suspect something weird is going on

There was a post going around not long ago of some antis literally telling people not to share online safety stuff online too. Shits crazy and I can’t believe these are the people that say we’re the bad guys

It’s really not cool that so many minors on the internet rn are growing up thinking it’s completely fine to share personal info, such as what school they go to, their family members, full legal name, and their literal home address (yes, these are all things I’ve seen fairly recently).

I see a lot of it coming from anti spaces, and the fact that so many adults who claim to be “safe” aren’t even remotely mentioning to these kids that “hey, maybe don’t do that because it can easily get into the wrong hands”. It’s really alarming. How “safe” can these people be when they want minors to be comfortable sharing their personal info, even photos of their real life faces

This next part is absolutely disgusting btw, saw someone (completely unrelated to the above statements but still relevant) claim that we should have “more minors posting pics of themselves so more ai generated CSEM can be created”. They defended it by saying “so the market for real CSEM goes down and less kids are actually hurt”. No excuse for that sort of behavior, and it’s still exploiting minors. And it’s why minors NEED to be careful of what they post online (but it goes for adults too!)

[exclamaquest]

Gaiman publicly defended a pedophile, Christopher Handley, who was convicted for possession of drawn imagery depicting csa and who plead guilty because his team thought it was "highly unlikely a jury would acquit him if shown the images in question."

At that point, Gaiman was speaking as a board member of the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, then headed by Christopher Brownstein...who was later revealed to be a sexual predator with allegations as far back as 2006 (and who was enabled by the CBLDF, which was aware of what had happened).

Gaiman also wrote an entire essay (in defense of Handley!) about how he thinks that being against drawn CSEM is equal to supporting an oppressive state (and was quoting from it as recently as 2015).

Also, in 2018, he tweeted that he was "aware of the allegations" surrounding Brownstein...but remained on the board of the CBLDF. Brownstein resigned in 2020.

I'm not trying to start any fights, I've enjoyed things he's written too, but amazing author ≠ amazing person.

Stop deepthroating Neil Gaimans shriveled British cock what happened to gays having good taste

[monstrousparalysis]

What antis think proshippers' DMs with each other look like: "dude I just found real life CSAM, check it out" "wow that's so hot"

What proshippers' DMs with each other actually look like: *sends a link to a 150 page PDF record of a bunch of nuclear safety accidents* ":3" "HELL YEAH"

[werewolf-cuddles]

Just found about about the FiMFetch debacle.

Basically, the operator of an MLP fanfiction archive not only deleted all "foalcon" related stories from the archive, but also went on a moral crusade to call out as many people who create and/or consume this content as they could find.

Their definition of what counts as "foalcon" turned out to be incredibly broad, and includes aged up depictions, non-sexual stories that just happen to be marked as mature, and even artwork of adults that just happens to have the "younger" tag. (i.e. the elderly Granny Smith as a young mare)

At least one artist was put on the list, not because of anything they actually drew as most of their work is SFW, but because of NSFW edits of their artwork that they did not create.

And the cherry on top of this whole shitshow? A discord screenshot was leaked where this righteous moral crusader admitted to having, in their own words, "a weakness for Scootaloo" when sent an explicit image of the character.

Just want to make it clear that I don't like foalcon myself, and to be fair, some of the people on the list were also alleged groomers, and at least one person had actually been arrested by police for possession of CSEM (presumably REAL CSEM), but why am I not surprised that the person who went on a moral crusade against fictional smut turned out to be a projecting hypocrite with a taste for chicken?

EDIT: It has come to my attention that the artist in question has drawn some explicit works, none of which involve underage characters. They are still on the list because of an edit featuring their artwork, not because of anything they drew themselves.

[antiradqueer]

“why does tumblr keep banning rq accounts guys?????”

[us-the-voices-and-more-voices-2]

Things we’ve seen because I’ve been online since we were little

A surprising amount of death cults, death cults are a super big part of internet culture and history. notable one is the church of euthanasia which I honestly respect for being upfront about the whole death cult shit unlike the other ones.

a vast array of CSEM, and actual unironic CSA videos how idk, why idk. I was 7 who the fuck knows.

the most gruesome, the most violent, the most brutal animal abuse that haunts my dreams and waking nightmares. *SCREAM*

terrorism. So much terrorism. Such an incredibly dangerous and large amount of terrorism. Videos and propaganda and death and destruction, it’s not even funny I’ve seen this shit since I was a babe. I still see it on YouTube I still see it on all sorts. Why the fuck is it there.

Cannibalism somehow, idk how just know we have seen a fair amount somehow.

so many dead bodies. So many dead people so many dying and dead bodies and people and ohubuohbouhbuhoboubhuohboub

zoos and necro’s, and like real fucking weird and fucked up stuff. Ugh 😑

and more stuff I don’t remember rn!

[kiwisandpearls]

please please please please PLEASE I am BEGGING people:

stop using terms meant for abusive material of actual children when you referring to content of fictional characters. You are implying that fictional characters are as much victims as the actual children who are abused when CSEM is made of them.

You are not helping victims as much as you might think you are by doing this. Knock it off.