#cn animal death

[alexseanchai]

well. probably about to be a very good thing I've already established Yuri on Ice as a comfort rewatch.

[dirigibleplumbing]

my dog passed away suddenly less than an hour ago, while we were at the vet. she was fine yesterday. I had dogs growing up but they each passed after I left for college and after long illnesses. she's my first dog who was my own. it doesn't seem real. I don't know what to do.

[alexseanchai]

[image: a graph titled "What's Killing North America's Birds?" Per-year estimates of mortality. Source: Loss et al., 2015. Cats account for 2.6 billion bird deaths. Windows, 624 million. Vehicles, 214 million. Power lines, 57 million. Communication towers, 6.8 million. Wind turbines, up to 679 thousand.]

as a huge lover of birds, 90% of the concern against wind turbines being used for energy is literally just pro fossil fuel propaganda. birds ARE at a risk however there is a lot of strategies even as simple as painting one of the blades that reduces a lot of accidental deaths. additionally renewable energy sources will do more in favor of the environment that would positively impact birds (and all of us). one study found over one million bird deaths from wind turbines. while that is a shockingly high number and we should work to drastically shrink it, at least 1.3 billion birds die to outdoor cats on a yearly basis. it was never about caring about birds

[niennandil-me-writes]

lost friend

cn: animal death, rabies

You wake up from sounds in the backyard, deep growls and muffled voices. Not that loud, but then again, you haven’t been sleeping soundly, worry weighing down on you. And when you look out the window, and see your mother and oldest brother, and the dog, you jump up, don’t even bother to throw on a sweater over your nightshirt. You run outside, into the yard, temporarily unbothered by the icy cold and the snow under your bare feet.

“What are you –?” You freeze, not from the cold, but from seeing the hatchet in your mother’s hands. You stare at her, then at the dog, his body spasming, straining against the leash around his neck, which is attached to a long pole your brother is holding fast to keep him at a distance. As your eyes adjust to the moonlight, you see that they have put a muzzle on him, binding his mouth shut, spittle dripping down.

Your brother looks up for a short moment, but then fixes his eyes on the dog again. “Go back to sleep. We’ll just be going on a walk real quick.” And he shoots you a smile that only makes the lie more obvious.

Your mother just shakes her head. “He’s old enough to know.” And then she looks at you with that expression adults get when they give you an Important Talk and you can feel your stomach fall. “We’re putting the dog down.”

“No! You can’t do that!” You want to run to the dog, your friend, your companion, but your brother stands in your way.

“He will bite you”, he says.

“He would never! He never bit no one! He never did anything wrong! And just last month – he protected our farm from that wolf, didn’t he?”

Your mother nods gravely. “He was a good dog. But he also got a nasty bite from that wolf. I feared this would happen. Gone rabid. We’re doing him a favor, really. He’d be dead within the week anyway.”

“Would not!” You know you sound like a child, but you don’t care. You can’t let this happen. Can’t let them kill him. You’ve known that dog for as long as you can remember. “And he’s not dangerous, never was! You’re lying!”

You look down at the dog, convulsing in his binds. His eyes dart around the yard, confused, scared. And when they catch your glance, they seem unfocused, unrecognizing. You don’t hold back the tears anymore.

“There’s nothing of the friend you knew left in him anymore.”, your mother says with a calm voice. And then she kneels down in front of you, puts a hand on your shoulder. “I’m so sorry, Teo, I know you loved that dog. You shouldn’t have to witness this. Go back inside now.”

And you nod, wiping the tears and snot from your face. And without another look on the animal that was once your friend, you run inside, crawl into bed and put a pillow over your head to shut out any noises that might come from outside.

[melina-mellow]

Apparently the guy responsible for Genshin's entire plot favorite characters are Xiao and Scara...

Truly a man of culture I see.

[alexseanchai]

the tortoiseshell is Mila, the gray is Zoe, the calico was Thea, and the pupper is Gabrielle

Hey everybody. My buddy @oldest-man-alive-blog just lost his beloved old kitty Jonathan rather suddenly. Let's please fill this thread with adorable animal friends for him. Please absolutely break my notifications reblogging this with pictures of your favorite pets.

(Nothing with more than 8 legs, please and thank you.)

[formulatrash]

jfc apologies for this vent but just got home from work to genuinely one of the most distressing things I've ever been randomly faced with

[cn: animal death, injury, not the cat]

I guess since Indy has been more or less out of action (she's still alive but not exactly moving much, even by her low standards) mice/the tiny rats you get in London have decided they can enter the chat and one of my flatmates apparently decided to deal with this by arming two extremely inhumane traps in the kitchen

and then didn't tell any of the rest of us

so I get in like lalalala time to make myself a big glass of oh my god why is there a squeaking, distressed animal smearing blood on the floor with its legs trapped in a Saw-style nightmare device. so I have to stand there for 10 minutes being like ok Hazel you have to kill it. it's in distress. you have to kill it. you have to put it out of its misery and I'm like I'm really not like. prepped for this. I'm not in a place for 'having to stamp on a tiny, distressed animal on my kitchen floor'

which was all procrastination I shouldn't have done cus in the end I decided idk if the damage was terminal but it looked like it was still fighting, so picked up it and the trap and set it free outside the house. it could still sort of walk so idk, rats and things are pretty gnarly.

but like wtf flatmates a) who tf even HAS inhumane traps these days did they buy them in 1806, I've always suspected Jamie might be a vampire, b) who tf sets them and then like, doesn't message the flat groupchat like oh btw guys don't go in the kitchen because you could step on a mousetrap and also there might be dying animals in there??????????

like I don't think I am being an unreasonable baby to be both really pretty distressed by having to work out what to do about this thing I did not cause and also ?????? flatmates, please.

(clearly this is not the worst thing I have ever seen but I simply did not expect any level of animal injury and gore in my kitchen at 1:20am)

[adulthumanproblem]

The Fall of the House of Usher is really, really good! Why don't I see more people talking about it!?

And Rahul Kohli and Malcolm Goodwin in the same show again! I miss iZombie so much 😭

Watching Midnight Mass now. Why the fuck does Mike Flanagan hate cats so much???? It's like Stephen King and dogs all over again

[jamiesinverguenza]

[CN: mention of reading about an animal death]

So a thing that I went through earlier this year was having to actually confront my climate grief, and feel my despondency. I was forced to acknowledge my 'there's no hope for the future,' sit-and-stare-at-the wall-for-a few-weeks level of despair.

A thing that helped me pull myself out of it was reading about an impossibly adorable baby two-toed sloth that was born at the Cincinnati Zoo, and then reading a little bit about sloths, and about rescues and sanctuaries that look after wild sloths and other rain forest animals. Letting myself be interested in an animal, in the way that I was fascinated with dinosaurs when I was little, put both really cute animals and also real live humans who are working really hard to protect sloths and their shrinking, increasingly dangerous habitat on my radar and social media feeds. When I saw that, I didn't feel so isolated or overwhelmed by my despair. It gave me new energy and motivation and interest in environmentalism, and in taking care of people and animals around me, and it's literally one of the best things that happened to me this year.

This is also how I learned about exotic animal 'encounters' though, and how I started to appreciate how harmful they can be. I just read about a zorse, a half zebra, half horse that must have been bred for profit. The sanctuary that rescued the zorse also rescued a pair of sick zebras from an animal show, one of whom died recently, after a short and mostly miserable existence where they rarely received the medical care they needed. The person who runs the sanctuary is reasonably very angry at what the zebras had to endure.

Fortunately, the zorse is not only okay, but seems to be thriving over at the sanctuary. For every terrible story of illness and loss, there's an animal who survived, and the human caretakers who helped them. Everything is terrible, but it's not too late, and we aren't entirely powerless, even if it feels that way. We can build a new world, where all of us can live, if we want! ...right?

[alexseanchai]

[image: tweet by primawesome: "My neighbor told me coyotes keep eating his outdoor cats so I asked him how many cats he has and he said he just goes to the shelter and gets a new cat afterwards so I said it sounds like he's just feeding shelter cats to coyotes and then his daughter started crying."]

let your pet outside unwatched. do not worry about local songbirds or ecosystems. let delicious cat outside. especially one you took claws off of or capped with dull chewy bits. ignore the fact my icon is coyote. let cat outside it wants outside do not worry about the birds it kills that i will also eat

[alexseanchai]

do not fucking attempt to scam me with appeals to dying cat

[excalculus]

I saw some mentions of rabies going around again and have no clue what's set it off this time, but given recent scientific developments I want to revisit the idea of curing symptomatic rabies.

First things first: there is still no practical way to do this. The famous Milwaukee Protocol fails far more frequently than it succeeds, and even the successes are not making it out in anything like a normal state. It's been argued that it should no longer be considered a valid treatment [1] due to these issues; any continued use is because there's literally nothing else on the table.

However. There are now two separate studies showing it's possible to cure rabies in mice after the onset of symptoms. The lengths you have to go to in order to pull this off are drastic, to put it mildly, and couldn't really be adapted to humans even if you wanted to. But proof of concept is now on the board.

long post under the cut, warnings for animal experimentation and animal death. full bibliography at the end and first mention of each source links to paper.

Quick recap - rabies is a viral disease of mammals usually transmitted through the saliva of an infected animal. From a contaminated bite wound, it propagates slowly for anywhere from days to months until it reaches the central nervous system (CNS). Post-exposure vaccination can head it off during this phase, but once it reaches the CNS and neurological symptoms appear it's game over. There will typically be a prodromal phase where the animal doesn't act right - out at the wrong time of day, disoriented, abnormally friendly, etc. This will then progress to the furious (stereotypical "mad dog" disease) and/or paralytic phases, with death eventually caused by either seizures or paralysis of the muscles needed for breathing.

That's the course we're familiar with in larger animals. Mice, though, are fragile little creatures with fast metabolisms.

In the first study's rabies infection model, lab mice show rabies virus in the spinal cord by day 4 after infection and in the brain by day 5. Weight loss and slower movement start by day 7, paralysis starting from the hind limbs from day 8 on, and if not euthanized first they're dead by day 10-13. [2]

This study (fittingly conducted at the Institut Pasteur) had two human monoclonal antibodies, and wanted to see if there was any possibility they could be used to cure rabies after what we think of as the point of no return.

Injecting the antibodies into muscle saved some mice if done at days 2 or 4, and none if done later, even at high doses of 20 milligrams per kilogram of body weight of each. Conclusion: targeting the virus out in the rest of the body is no use if it's already replicating in the CNS.

Getting a drug past the blood-brain barrier is, to use a highly technical term, really fucking hard. It's the sort of problem that even the best-funded labs and biggest companies in the world routinely fail at. And that's for small molecule drugs, which are puny compared to antibodies.

But this isn't drug development for a clinical trial. This is a very, very early proof-of-concept attempt, which means you're willing to ignore practicality to see if this idea is even remotely workable. So you can do things like brute force the issue by cutting through the skull to implant a microinfusion pump, which lets you deliver the antibodies directly into the normally-protected space around the brain. Combine this with the normal injections, and you can treat both the CNS and the rest of the body at the same time. Here's a survival graph of treated mice. X axis is days, Y axis is percentage of mice in that group still alive.

Figure 2A from reference 2, accessed February 2024

The fact that the blue, green, and purple lines did anything other than sink horribly to zero is unheard of. When the combination treatment was started at day 6, 100% of the mice survived. Started at day 7 (prodromal phase), 5 out of 9 mice recovered and survived. Started at day 8 (solidly symptomatic, paralysis already starting to set in), 5 of 15 mice recovered and survived. And when they say "survived", they kept these mice all the way to day 100 to make sure. Some of them had permanent minor paralysis but largely they were back to being normal mice doing normal mouse things. So, success, but by pretty extreme means.

Enter the second paper [3]. This was a different approach using a single human monoclonal antibody against Australian bat lyssavirus (ABLV - closely related to rabies, similar symptoms in humans) to try for a cure without needing to deliver treatments directly into the CNS. They also made a luminescent version of ABLV that let them directly image viral activity, so they could see both where the virus was replicating and how much there was in a live mouse.

Figure 1 from reference 3, accessed February 2024

Mice infected with ABLV start showing symptoms around day 8. You can see in the figure that at day 3 there's viral replication in the foot at the site of infection, which has shifted into the spine and brain by day 10. So what happens if you give one of these doomed mice one single injection of the antibody into the body?

Done at day 3, the virus doesn't make it to the brain until day 14, and while disease does set in after that around 30% of the mice survive. Days 5 and 7 are much more interesting. Those mice still develop symptoms at day 8, but the imaging shows the amount of virus in their spines and brains never gets anywhere near the levels seen in untreated controls, and within days it starts to decrease. Around 80% of day 5 and 100% of day 7 mice survive.

Okay, sure, you can stop another lyssavirus, but technically you did start treatment before symptoms appeared. What about symptomatic rabies?

The rodent-adapted rabies strain CVS-11 starts causing symptoms as early as day 3 after infection, and untreated mice die between days 8 and 11. The same single dose of antibody saved 67% of mice treated on day 5 and 50% of mice treated on day 7. Without making the luminescent version of the virus there's no real-time imaging of the infection, but you can still track symptoms.

Figure 2 from reference 3, accessed February 2024. CVS-11 is the name of the rodent rabies strain and F11 is the name of the antibody.

Disease score is a combination of several metrics including things like whether the mice are behaving normally and whether they show signs of paralysis. In untreated mice it goes up and up, and then they die. If one of those lines starts coming back down and continues past day 10 or so, that's a mouse that recovered. The success rate isn't as good as against ABLV, but again, this is a rabies strain specifically adapted to rodents and treatment wasn't started until it was well-established in the CNS.

So how on earth is this happening? The antibody neutralizes both ABLV and rabies really well in a test tube, but we've already established that there's no way a huge lumbering antibody is making it past the blood-brain barrier without serious help. Something about the immune response is clearly making it in there though. And it turns out that if you start trying this cure in mice missing various parts of their immune systems, mice without CD4+ T cells don't survive even with the treatment. By contrast mice without CD8+ T cells take longer to work through the infection, but they eventually manage it and are immune to reinfection afterwards.

To grossly oversimplify the immune system here, CD4+ are mature helper T cells, which work mostly by activating other immune cells like macrophages (white blood cells) and CD8+ T cells (killer T cells) against a threat.

Normally, T cells are also kept out by the blood-brain barrier, but we know that in certain specific cases including viral infection they can pass it to migrate into the brain. In the brains of the infected mice for which antibody treatment either wasn't given or didn't work, you can find a roughly even mix of CD8+ and CD4+ T cells along with a whole lot of viral RNA. But in the brains of those successfully fighting off the infection, there's less viral RNA and the cells are almost exclusively CD4+. So the antibody doesn't work by neutralizing the virus directly - something about it is activating the animal's own immune system in a way that gives it a fighting chance.

Again, neither of these proof of concept treatments is really workable yet as a real world cure. The first one is almost hilariously overkill and still has a pretty good chance of failure. The second is less invasive but careful sequencing still shows both low-level viral replication and signs of immune response in the brains of the survivors even at day 139, so it may not be truly clearing the virus so much as trading a death sentence for life with a low-level chronic infection. But now we know that 1. curing rabies after symptoms begin is at least theoretically possible, and 2. we have some clues as to mechanisms to investigate further.

Not today. Not tomorrow. But maybe not never, either.

References:

Zeiler, F. A., & Jackson, A. C. (2016). Critical appraisal of the Milwaukee protocol for rabies: this failed approach should be abandoned. Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences, 43(1), 44-51.

de Melo, G. D., Sonthonnax, F., Lepousez, G., Jouvion, G., Minola, A., Zatta, F., ... & Bourhy, H. (2020). A combination of two human monoclonal antibodies cures symptomatic rabies. EMBO molecular medicine, 12(11), e12628.

Mastraccio, K. E., Huaman, C., Coggins, S. A. A., Clouse, C., Rader, M., Yan, L., ... & Schaefer, B. C. (2023). mAb therapy controls CNS‐resident lyssavirus infection via a CD4 T cell‐dependent mechanism. EMBO Molecular Medicine, 15(10), e16394.

[thecreaturecodex]

Yule Lad

"Gryla and the Yule Lads" © Marc Potts, accessed on his Threads account here

[It's been a while since I made a new Christmas monster, hasn't it? I woke up this morning with an uncontrollable urge to stat up the Yule Lads. It's December 21st at the time of posting, so look out for Window Peeper!]

Yule Lad CR 4 CN Fey This odd little man has a red cap, a white beard and a look of disheveled mischief about him. His fingernails are claw-like, and the shadows around him cast eerie shapes.

The Yule Lads are a gang of gnomish pranksters, each of them specializing in a particular brand of theft or harassment. They are so named because their habit is to descend upon communities during the winter solstice in order to wreak their mischief. They are the sons of the wicked troll Grýla and the lazy ogre Leppalúði, but themselves are not evil. They once were, and happily abducted children for their mother to eat, but they have mellowed somewhat with the passing of the ages. A household that endures their thefts and torments with good humor may find themselves rewarded with small strange gifts (often those stolen from other households).

There are thirteen prominent Yule Lads who travel together, coming down from the mountains one by one to prey on the same community before leaving in turn after a few weeks of mischief. Each one is named after their preferred targets or habits. They are, in their typical order of operations:

Sheepcote Clod, who harasses sheep and drinks their milk straight from the udder

Gully Gawk, who peeps on milkmaids and steals milk once it has been collected

Stubby, who steals burnt food and dirty pans and has very short legs

Spoon Licker, who licks the stirring spoons between uses to contaminate them

Pot Scraper, who steals leftover food before it can be stored

Bowl Licker, who eats food left out for domestic animals

Door Slammer, who wakes families up in the night with loud banging noises

Skyr Gobbler, who is voracious for skyr, yogurt and other fermented dairy products

Sausage Swiper, who hides in the rafters of smokehouses to steal sausages

Window Peeper, who is a voyeur and general thief

Door Sniffer, who can smell fresh baked bread from miles away

Meat Hook, who uses an ogre hook to steal meat from butchers and pantries alike

Candle Beggar, who steals candles in order to eat them

The Yule Lads prefer not to fight if they can help it. They use their mastery over shadows to teleport in and out of houses to rob and to frighten off anyone who attempts to stop them. If they are met with lethal violence, they will fight back, but typically attempt to flee if they see an opportunity. If one of the Yule Lads is slain, however, his brothers will declare a vendetta against his killer and retaliate in turn. These feuds end with the death of the killer and their associates, or with the killer paying off the Lads with sufficient weregild. Rumors circulate that there have been as many as fifty Yule Lads over the centuries, some of whom were slain and others of whom have grown bored of vexing people and retreated into the wilderness for good.

Yule Lad CR 4 XP 1,200 Variant advanced ogrekin redkind CN Small fey (giant) Init +6; Senses low-light vision, Perception +7 Aura twisted shadows (30 ft., DC 14)

Defense AC 22, touch 17, flat-footed 16 (+1 size, +6 Dex, +5 natural) hp 28 (3d6+18) Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +5 Weakness giant-blood, situational blindness

Offense Speed 30 ft. Melee 2 claws +6 (1d4+5) Spell-like Abilities CL 3rd, concentration +6 At will—dancing lights, darkness, detect thoughts (DC 15), ghost sound (DC 13), lullaby (DC 13) 1/day—grease (DC 14), minor image (DC 15), snare

Statistics Str 20, Dex 22, Con 23, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 17 Base Atk +1; CMB +5; CMD 21 Feats Alertness, Deft Hands Skills Climb +9, Disable Device +11, Escape Artist +12, Intimidate +10, Perception +9, Sense Motive +9, Sleight of Hand +14, Stealth +18; Racial Modifiers +4 Intimidate Languages Common, Giant, Sylvan SQ deformities (varies), shadow jump

Ecology Environment cold mountains and urban Organization solitary or family (2-13) Treasure standard (thieves tools, other gear)

Special Abilities Deformities (Ex) Each of the Yule Lads has two deformities, one beneficial and one disadvantageous. These are as follows:

Sheepcote Clod: gnarled hands (claws deal 1d6 damage); stiff back (-4 to grapple and trip combat maneuver checks; can only stand from prone as a full-round action)

Gully Gawk: bulging eye (darkvision 60 ft.); light sensitivity

Stubby: thick feet (+4 CMD vs. bull rush, overrun and trip, +2 AC vs. charge attacks); stunted legs (-10 ft. movement)

Spoon Licker: lanky (+5 ft. reach); fragile (-4 Con)

Pot Scraper: thick skin (+2 natural armor); distractible (when rolls a natural 1 on an ability check, attack roll, saving throw or skill check, confused for 1 round)

Bowl Licker: oversized maw (bite attack dealing 1d4 damage); brittle bones (creatures gain a +4 circumstance bonus to confirm critical hits against him)

Door Slammer: vice grip (+2 to CMB to disarm and grapple, +4 CMD vs. disarm and grapple); obese (-2 Dex)

Skyr Gobbler: quick metabolism (+2 to Fortitude saves), weak mind (-2 to Will saves)

Sausage Swiper: long fingers (Climb speed equal to ½ land speed); offensive odor (-2 Cha, detectable at double range with scent)

Window Peeper: enlarged skull (+2 Int, [3 ranks in Appraise]); deformed hand (only one claw attack, -2 to attack rolls with two-handed weapons)

Doorway Sniffer: snout (scent); trusting (-2 to Will saves vs. mind-influencing effects, -1 initiative)

Meat Hook: oversized limb (can wield Medium weapons without penalty); flaking skin (-1 natural armor, vulnerability to nonlethal damage)

Candle Beggar: grotesque ears (blindsense 10 ft., +4 Perception); massive girth (-4 to Stealth)

Giant-Blood (Ex) Although the Yule Lads are fey creatures, they are the children of giants, and as such are treated as having the giant subtype for the purposes of spells and abilities. Situational Blindness (Su) The Yule Lads have trouble targeting creatures who can’t see them. Any creature that can’t see a Yule Lad (such as by closing its own eyes) gains partial concealment from it. Any creature that covers itself entirely (such as by hiding under a blanket) gains full concealment, even if the creature would not otherwise be considered hidden. Shadow Jump (Su) A Yule Lad can travel between shadows as if using a dimension door spell. The Yule Lad must begin and end its transportation in an area of dim illumination. A Yule Lad can travel up to 40 feet a day in this fashion, and can split this distance up in 10 foot increments if he so chooses. Twisted Shadows (Su) In areas of dim illumination or darker, a Yule Lad’s presence animates the shadows within 30 feet of it into leering or wicked shapes. The first time a creature ends its turn within this aura, it must succeed at a DC 13 Will saving throw or become shaken for 10 minutes. If the creature succeeds at the saving throw, it cannot be affected again by the same Yule Lad’s twisted shadows for 24 hours. This is a fear effect, and the DC is Charisma-based.

[atlaskrr]

[The Eye] Link Click Yingdu OP Analysis

In the first scene we can see lu guang being seperated in two, his past which is in color and he himself who is in grey. This is mainly a visual thing but can also symbolize the change in his soul after all the dives, especially his blood tainted hand which is likely left from cheng xiaoshis blood when he held him (though lu guang playing a role in one of his death is possible.

in this opening scene we also see this butterfly which could be refrencing the butterfly effect

• Black and white butterflies symbolize balance and harmony

• They often represent transformation and new beginnings

• Seeing a black and white butterfly might be a sign of spiritual growth

• These butterflies can remind us to embrace both light and dark aspects of life

butterflies alo have many other symbolisms such as: love, luck, dreams, yin and yang, new beginnings, transformation, cn medicine, etc

heres my more in depth analysis

as it also appeared in the s2 op draft

its also shiguang colors lol which also ties to yin and yang.

another visual element we see a lot of is these white feathers

common symbolisms for them are

love (cn)

protection (celtic, indegenous)

spirtual

the divine

innocence, new beginnings and hope etctetc (ties to butterflies)

guidance (christianity)

good luck and fortune in china

soulmates

most connotations are positive but in WW1 it was used as a symbol of cowardice to get men to serve in the military.

one i find especially interesting is the egyptian myth tied to feathers. In ancient Egypt, the white feather represented truth and judgment. It was believed that, when a person died, they faced tests to gain entry into the afterlife. One test involved weighing the person’s heart against the white feather of the goddess Ma’at. If the heart weighed more than the feather, the person was found to be unworthy, and they would be sent into darkness. If the person was virtuous, the scales would be balanced, and the god Osiris would welcome them to the afterlife. In this context, the white feather symbolizes truth and divine justice. Tying to a lot of the divine symbolism we've gotten in the villain chara pvs such as liu xiaos.

Could this be about lu guang facing judgement?

the sign on the passing bus says "look carefully" as well as "afternoon tea". low and behold when we see tea

the only characters with gloved hands are vein and xia fei and based on the style this is probably vein.

thats relevant because of this. this is a pigpen code with a ceaser cipher. dark_decay and roshieberry on the lc discord server decoded it to this

```

IN THE HEART OF THE FOREST A SUDDEN

PANIC SPREAD AMONG THE ANIMALS [...] FOX

[...] RECTING [...] ELEPHANT TO DOUSE THE FLAMES

SWIFTLY SPREADING MESSAGES OF URGENCY

HOWEVER THEY ONLY CARED ABOUT FLEEING FOR SAFETY

THE FOREST SUCCUMBED TO THE FIRES WRATH

DETERMINED TO PREVENT SUCH TRAGEDIES THE ANIMALS

HIRED A DETECTIVE TO UNCOVER THE CULPRIT WHAT THEY

DISCOVERED WAS BEYOND THEIR WILDEST

IMAGINATIONS

HE BELIEVED THAT THE KEY TO SOLVING THE PROBLEM WAS

TO ELIMINATE ALL POTENTIAL SPARKS THAT COULD

IGNITE TROUBLE

```

the fox could refer to the twins or perhaps vein or xiafei since we dont know their animals yet. this feels like it could explain how these powers even came to be, a way to prevent tragedy? to investigate as shiguang does? the last paragraph seems to be right up liu xiaos alley of thinking.

these bells and clock actually corelate as 3 bells is 9 30 in a ships bell, the time on the clock. the lyrics in the scene befire the bells appears also refrences the ringing of bells and 9pm (which would be two bells) im not exactly sure on this significance but ig we'll see.

---

now thats it for the hidden things. there are skme more obvious concerns such as

yk. vein pointing a gun at lu guang. now while this could be the case i actually think this is refrencing one of cheng xiaoshis deaths, by veins hand. this is because all the other scenes seem to point through lu guang shifting through different timelines in a montage such as the ones in the mvs.

this ties to why hes crying later on in the basketball court in this montage (not like he doesnt have a million reasons to cry already) also, one of the scenes flashing here seem to tie back to that divinity them with the lighting

these all contain actual scenes from the show so the following montage is of the past from lgs prespective.

here we see the photograoh transforming into a bubble, confirming this

one of them is this which someone pointed out cxs possibly has an elbow brace from an injury

additional details i ran out of images to show is lu guang coming into color when held by cheng xiaoshi, the shakespheres sonnets making a return and vein watching everyone, as well as the woman from the newspaper in the poster making an apperance. also lg and vein in the same room but its still grey lg. are they connected??

theres also the notebook at the end which appears to contain something but its very blurry and i suck at reading cursive so if anyone figures it out please do tell. also let me know if i missed anything i love everyones analysises

[herrscherofmagic]

long and spoiler-y and messy summary of my many thoughts on HI3rd Part 2 Chapter 7:

first of all, what the fuck, Helia??

second, the snowy battlefield scenes were probably the single most fundamentally "Honkai" story scenes that Mihoyo's written in like... the last 4 years or so.

Like, I don't think Mihoyo's ever gone that far before to show us just how deadly Honkai (or in this case, the "Calamity") truly is to the average soldier, and even the "supersoliders".

In most of Honkai's story, we follow incredibly powerful and skilled characters. Even in her weak moments like in Arc City, Kiana still had extraordinary endurance and stamina. And we rarely actually ever fought alongside ordinary valkyries. The only two instances I can think of would be Arc City and Coral City, and both of those were from the perspective of said super-powerful valkyries fighting alongside the weaker troops.

But here, on that snowy battlefield... it was something completely different.

The battlefield ambience with the audible & visible cannonfire in the background, the burning buildings, the corpses of civilians and soldiers alike amidst swarms of monsters... visually, it still has the style of an anime gacha game, but I could close my eyes and just listen to the sound and picture the scene in my mind so, so viscerally.

It gives me all the same feeling that I felt all those years ago when I played games like Halo: Reach, which had a similar "squad of elite soldiers fighting swarms of monsters on a dying world" theme but with a gritty & realistic visual style and writing.

This might've been one of the most well-constructed visual sequences in almost all of HI3rd's gameplay stages. Obviously cinematics would look prettier, but when talking about *actual gameplay* where you control a character, I don't think anything else comes even close to being so immersive of the scene that the story is telling to us.

For once, it really felt like this was a WAR. not a superhero comic book, but a story of ordinary humans struggling violently in vain against a greater power, incomprehensible to all.

third, to reiterate and also elaborate: what the FUCK, Helia!?

That was an absolute roller-coaster of emotions, especially because I did the first 2/3rds of Chapter 6 last night and saved the rest of Chapter 6 & then all of Chapter 7 for tonight. So I had only a brief break to do some other stuff at the end of Chapter 6 and dove right into Chapter 7, and had to process all of those feelings and scenes one right after the other. no giant several-week break to process everything T_T

Obviously Coralie's death was spoiled for me like a month and a half or two months ago, because CN server is far ahead and because it happened at the end of last version. But I still didn't expect it to play out THAT way, which came as a shock to me because I somehow didn't come across that specific part of the spoilers.

And the entire character arc Helia went through (well it seems like she's still got a ways to go) was just... holy shit. good lord. Mihoyo, what have you done!?? (/pos)

I don't really know if I'd call Helia a hero or a villain, or if it's even possible to cram her into that dichotomy at this point. I guess antihero might be the best way to describe her, but even that doesn't quite feel right.

It's clear to me that even if she somehow ends up "back to normal" in the future, she's obviously never gonna be quite the same. But I'm incredibly intrigued as to just how Wrong™ she'll end up being at the end of all this.

Like, even after all that she went through she reaffirmed her duty as a Valkyrie and her desire to avoid innocents, but she also still has that growing lack of empathy and cold attitude. She's no longer quite so mindlessly fanatical, but I find it hard to imagine she'll ever become so upright and kind as she once was.

So I honestly can't say I see her becoming a villain that would ultimately threaten the rest of the cast and bring harm to Luoxing or Earth... but I doubt she'll ever truly fit in with the ideal of a hero that she's always longed to be.

I'm sure there's still SOME potential development that will bring her into a "heroic" state, especially she ultimately hasn't ever committed such a grave sin as murdering an innocent person (unlike a certain Definitely Not Helia™ we've met). I'm sure she COULD still end up idolizing Durandal and striving to be a great Valkyrie.

But it also feels like there's a different path for her that none of the rest of the cast would dare to take, a path that doesn't bring her into being an antagonist but which still deviates far from the model Valkyrie we've been shown for all these years (from Durandal to Rita to Kiana and so on).

I honestly really like this sort of "cold but still fundamentally just" version of Helia. She's flawed but still willing to do what is right, even if she is doing it for entirely selfish reasons now.

In a way she now reminds me a bit of Lantern, but in an almost more cruel way. Lantern was always a dangerous person when on the hunt, but outside of her narrowly-focused combat mindspace she was always fairly calm and even gentle at times. Helia feels like a more chaotic and reckless form of Lantern now, and I really like seeing that because it's such an incredible contrast to all the other Valkyrie stuff we've seen before.

Point being, I absolutely ADORE this story arc and I'm blown away by just how far Mihoyo diverged from the stereotypical image of what a Valkyrie is supposed to be. We've had so many characters in the Hoyoverse (whether Honkai or Genshin or ZZZ) that were antagonistic or villainous at times, but I don't think we ever had any that were as unfeeling as Helia was in this story arc.

It's hard to find the exact words for it, but as someone that's played through nearly all of the story for Genshin, and Star Rail, AND ZZZ, not a single character felt like they hit quite the same antihero/villain vibes that Helia has hit in this story.

And to clarify, I'm NOT counting the scenes of the snowy battlefield as being explicitly "Helia". I know that those aren't the true experiences of Helia Erdös, after all.

But even when we just look at her behavior in the Dreamseeker system, when it's actually Helia in control, there's so much more cruelty in her behavior now: cruelty to herself, and to a lesser extent to others. It's her willingness to harm herself for power, and her contempt for others who stand in her way, and the way she has become so comfortable with battle now.

I really want to see what's going to happen next time she interacts with Durandal, now. I think what'd be most interesting to me personally is if Helia ultimately reaffirms her duty & identity as a Valkyrie, but completely drops any pretense of wanting to become a "hero" like Durandal.

A version of Helia where she doesn't even try to pretend to truly care about other people, but who will still fight for all that is beautiful in the world regardless of what others think of her. Someone who grows composed and calm but in a way that is not so much tranquil and peaceful, but rather cold and calculating.

If Coralie truly does come back, I can't help but wonder how she, too, would react to this new Helia. I imagine she'd still care for Helia, but it might be difficult for her to come to terms with this. It'd probably be upsetting for her, but perhaps Helia would find a way to connect in a more genuine manner with Coralie despite the change of heart she's had.

It's just... a lot. It's been a lot to process, I still need more time to process it, but I wanted to get these thoughts out now.

Though, at least I finally caught up w/ the story and found the motivation to share these thoughts before the next story comes out on CN.

Can't wait for the CN server to update and get their new story and for the rest of us to get flooded with more spoilers, weeks before we get to play the story for ourselves. yippee! /violentlysarcastic

When all is said and done, I really enjoyed these last two chapters. I still ultimately hold the opinion that Part 2 should've been a standalone game, but I can still appreciate what great work Mihoyo has done with Part 2 as-is.

I really enjoy that dynamic with Helia and Coralie, and all that Helia's gone through with Coralie now. This really might end up being one of my favorite story arcs, up there along with the SSHC arc, Arc City, Thunders Over Nagazora, etc.

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Felt like doing a breakdown of my headcanon of Wriothesley's age range when he first entered the Fortress of Meropide

In the CN and JP ver of Wriothesley's Story Quest, he said he was in the age range of "10-19 years old" (十几岁 in CN ver/十代 in JP ver) when he killed his foster parents before getting sent to the Fortress of Meropide. This is slightly different from EN ver where he just stated he was a "teenager" when he carried out that act.

Next, let's look at Caterpillar, a NPC who appeared in the World Quest named Game of the Rich in Unfinished Comedy Series, indicated that minors/kids shouldn't have been in Meropide unless they were born there because their parents are inmates, citing a little girl named Lanoire as an example, as her mother gave birth to her there.

In Wriothesley Character Story 4 and 5, there are indications of him escaping his foster home and having to pick up odd jobs and do apprenticeships on the streets in order to gain and learn various skills. He thrived to become stronger and better-equipped, which I think took him years, just so he then was able to return to the foster home to finally carry out the murder plan that he strategised carefully, with a prototype gauntlet that could shoot out iron nails as his assisting weapon.

There are also indications of a struggle between him and his foster parents which resulted in him getting injured and passing out from the blood loss. It's safe to say that his foster parents were very much wide awake and wielding weapons when fighting him off.

Hence, with all these information that I gathered, I see Wriothesley was in the age range of 18-19 when he returned to his foster home and killed his foster parents, before getting sent to Meropide. I also can understand why some people think he was 16-17 (minimum age that I personally accept) at that time as his physique and maturity within the age range of 16-19 made him capable of taking down 2 grown ass adults who have particular skills for their downright despicable business as child traffickers. Mind you, during the murder act, he did NOT have a vision, he only received it when he first arrived at Meropide as explicitly stated in his Vision Story. It would be a whole different case if he already was wielding a vision at that time, and he would've taken down 2 visionless adults regardless of age.

I highly doubt he was 12-13 when he killed them (looking at some people on twt who claimed this is official and some wriolette antis who used this as a poor "gotcha" attempt to spite wriolette shippers) unless you want to disregard realism in media like Genshin and see Wriothesley as a highly capable and strong small kid with OP anime/fictional powers while murdering his foster parents lol (Example [as seen in pic above]: Zack from Angels of Death was shown as a mere kid when he murdered his sleeping abusive caretakers by repeatedly stabbing them with a knife and mutilating their bodies, but at least the adults were sleeping at that time which allowed Zack to have the advantage despite being much smaller than them)