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A lot of the show fans have come to the conclusion that Adam's soul went to heaven when he was molotov'd, like how Jimmy died after Cas' first death. But-- then we get Death telling Dean to choose between removing Sam OR Adam's soul from the cage. Meaning he's still probably down there. What do you think? Is he in heaven, or is he still down in the cage with a mentally unstable powerful archangel.
I don’t mean to sound dismissive here, but I get asked this question every few months, and I’ve answered it so many times that I kinda have an insta-groan reaction to it. I can only link you to everything I’ve said on the subject before:
http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/130962811400/they-remembered
Oh, here’s a post from 2014 responding to that:
http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/104837064620/cinnamonsentry-roguishfeathers
I kinda allude to Death’s repeated “testing” of Dean here:
http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/144380034745/the-empty-and-amaras-offer but the post really isn’t about that.
I think we touch on it here:
http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/153534420375/floatingaboveclouds-spearywritesstuff
I know I absolutely have answered this ask multiple times, but I either neglected to tag those replies properly, or tumblr’s search function is just... not very functional... (not to mention that it has now been like 2 hours since I started trying to reply, and my internet has gone down like 9 times, and I am at a point where I would rather fling the router out into the thunderstorm to meet its deserved fate with a direct damn lightning strike than continue to rage-search my own blog for stuff in between thunder booms... sorry :P)
But the primary arguments for this are based on Death’s ~limitations~. Yes he’s a massively powerful being who isn’t sure if he’s older than god or not because it all happened so long ago it’s gone blurry... but he can’t really interfere too much with Creation or else he could inadvertently set off a rolling series of cosmic consequences, you know. And that was one of Deaths very first lessons to Dean.
6.11 is still in my top 5 favorite episodes of this entire show, and it clearly lays out how those consequences play out if the balance isn’t restored. There is a natural order, and Death must remain an impartial witness, or the entire system breaks down. It would be chaos.
He began his “bargain” with Dean by essentially proving his point-- that Dean didn’t care about the cosmic consequences, he only cared about Sam. He did this by giving Dean that choice, KNOWING that Dean would always choose Sam. It wasn’t about altruism on Dean’s part. Because Dean had thrown Adam’s soul into the bargain FIRST. DEAN initiated that. Which meant that Death already KNEW that Dean believed Adam’s soul was there, whether or not it were literally true. It gave Death some leverage, already putting Dean on the spot, making him understand how wrong and selfish what he was asking for really was.
But Death held up his end of the bargain anyway, even after Dean failed the “test.” Because it was never really a test, it was a lesson. A lesson about the consequences of messing with the natural order. That Dean honestly did understand. Instead of just essentially quoting the entire first act of 6.11 here, please just go read the section marked Act 1 on the Superwiki transcript. I’ll sum it up here:
Dean goes in full of false bravado, trying to use Death’s ring as leverage to secure Death’s help in retrieving Sam’s soul. Death swats that idea down, points out Dean’s hubris, and tells him to get on with it.
It doesn’t really come through in the transcript but Dean’s basically bs’ing his way through this whole conversation, and he sort of throws Adam in as an afterthought, because if Death is gonna be down there saving Sam anyway, why not ask for Adam too.
Death appears to consider this request, and then asks Dean to pick. I don’t see it as Death “considering the request and then forcing Dean to choose one or the other.” Death KNEW who Dean would pick if given a choice. Even if it was a FALSE CHOICE, because it never really was a choice at all. But making it seem like Dean actually DID have a choice... well, it serves SO MANY narrative purposes.
It leaves the reality of Adam’s location vague and up for interpretation
It puts ALL of Deaths motivations and actions up for further consideration
it makes it obvious that Dean’s first choice will always be Sam. he didn’t even hesitate.
it showed us that regardless of the truth, Dean still believed that Adam might be in the cage, giving Death even MORE leverage over Dean
and letting Dean experience the full weight of the guilt that he HAD made that choice
But the original story of An Appointment in Samarra is all about fate. It’s about the fact that you can’t really outrun death once it’s your time to go. It boils down to the equivalent of, “No matter what choice you make, we’ll always end up here.” Death always wins.
Billie even mentions Death’s fascination with Sam and Dean, how he’d had this soft spot for them, and found them mildly entertaining, clearly favoring the two of them for having brought them back (or allowed them to be brought back) over and over again in seeming violation of the natural order.
The other main argument against Adam actually being in the cage is the fact that Sam has never ONCE mentioned the fact. His soul was trapped in the cage with Michael and Lucifer for nearly two centuries (a year and a half in hell time, based on Dean’s 4 months equaling 40 years, would be about 180 years, give or take, presuming Cage Time was the same as Hell Time). We’ve seen him have flashbacks to the cage in s6, in s7, and again in s11. And never once did they ever have anything to do with Adam. Or even with Michael. But you’d think after all this time it would weigh on Sam just a little to know that his brother was still trapped in the cage.
It was never brought up during s11 when Sam was negotiating with Lucifer. It was never brought up by Lucifer himself throughout s11 or s12 to torment Sam and Dean with. Because it would torment them.
Again, apologies if any of this is less-than-lucid, but I’ve had it up to HERE with the internet going kerplonk every four minutes. I’m just grateful I never lost the entirety of this post at any point during the storm. :P
Also, I’m seriously considering creating an Asked And Answered FAQ sort of page for commonly posed questions such as this one. That would be SUPER convenient for me! Okay, Imma tag it Stuff I Get Asked A Lot for the time being. :P
#spn 6.11#spn 5.22#adam milligan#spn 5.18#the cage#but really i like death#i texted my friend 'i like death' but it looked so disconcerting#Death and his backup dancers doin the old razzle dazzle#i have a lot of tags for death and reapers sue me#stuff i get asked a lot#Anonymous
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by AlGhoul
For tumblr users gadreel-the-angel, cinnamonsentry (I don't know what their current names are, the fic is old), and other people who seem to dig blind!Gadreel idea. I saw a couple of quite sad ones, so I decided to go with an idea of G being totally comfortable with his blindness. That was my first ever fic written in english, so I'm sorry in advance.
Words: 593, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English
Fandoms: Supernatural
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: Gen
Characters: Gadreel (Supernatural), Castiel (Supernatural), Sam Winchester, Dean Winchester
Additional Tags: Blindness, Character Study, Angels
Read it on AO3 at https://ift.tt/2GNxRcT
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read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/2GNxRcT
by AlGhoul
For tumblr users gadreel-the-angel, cinnamonsentry (I don't know what their current names are, the fic is old), and other people who seem to dig blind!Gadreel idea. I saw a couple of quite sad ones, so I decided to go with an idea of G being totally comfortable with his blindness. That was my first ever fic written in english, so I'm sorry in advance.
Words: 593, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English
Fandoms: Supernatural
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: Gen
Characters: Gadreel (Supernatural), Castiel (Supernatural), Sam Winchester, Dean Winchester
Additional Tags: Blindness, Character Study, Angels
read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/2GNxRcT
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so i tried to talk with my mom about me being agender and i told her how it makes me feel and how i feel when shes upset with me when i correct her and i told her to stop and i tried to tell her everything "you're my daughter." no im your child. "yes and you're also my daughter." "your name is maryhanna" my name is gabriel "would you like me to show you your birth certificate?" im neither a boy or a girl "you have a vagina" itd be different if i were female to male wouldnt it youd call me my name then wouldnt you? "no id still call you maryhanna" "how about we just shop in the boys section then?" "ill think about it."
#im actually crying right now#i tried so hard not to break down and cry#but she never listens#cinnamonsentry
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I think a DLC added the face crafter in Riften who can do that. Also pfft yes, I had all the classic bugs but the most memorable one was the backwards flying dragons. Loved it.
Oh yes, Dawnguard apparently does have the face crafter. I didn't know that before. Wow, I'm learning things. I hadn't really looked into them before. Haven't gotten the backwards flying dragon, hopefully someday.
I'm currently dragging Lydia with me, aaaaand thinking of abandoning her somewhere in the middle of nowhere. She keeps dying while carrying half of my stuff... i dunno why i bother taking her as a follower.
#like very late reply#i've been playing#usually i play like a month all day every day and then forget the game for a while#cinnamonsentry#replies#emma says things
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YES. Yes. Definitely. Plus, role reversal. I think Sam also needs someone TO protectively cuddle, and Gadreel needs someone who'll watch his fucking back for once, so this'd be a perfect arrangement. Sam's so overprotected and he needs to feel he has control, and what could possibly be more providing than being able to provide shelter for an honest to God guardian angel and see him trust you enough to sleep?
But the angst potential. Like they've more or less gotten past the whole possession thing but Sam doesn't feel safe enough to sleep until Gadreel is asleep. And Gadreel just thinks Sam takes forever to fall asleep because of everything else and has no idea Sam still views at least partially as a threat
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"get to know me" masterpost :D :D
as usual, all tag games will be under the cut and those who i tag are free to do whichever one (or ones) they'd like!! and even if i don't tag you, please feel free to play if you want :) this is open to anyone and everyone!
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Tumblr Crushes Tagging Game
tagged by: the lovelies honeysweetsam and androbeaurepaire ^_^ thank you, both!!! 1. Why did you choose your url ? Oh gosh, a trip down memory lane, lol. Well, when I first made my tumblr, I think I was in a much, uh...different state of mind than I am in now, so things had to be very atmospheric and kind of dark for me. When I first made my tumblr, I intended it to be primarily a writing blog haha...yeah, okay past!cindy with a lot of original poetry and short stories, and if you were to look at the posts within the first month or two of my blog, you'd kind of get an idea of where my head was at. All that being said, "we fell as angels" was a way for me to encompass the idea of the flawed human being - a person that may have, at one point, been whole, healthy, pure, etc. and was now, more or less, broken and tainted. It was also inspired by the Supernatural season 8 finale, when all the angels were cast out of Heaven. I've had the same url since I first joined tumblr and still love it like crazy ^_^ (and even more so since it was available the first time I tried it, lol).
And as an unsolicited added bonus, here is the poem I wrote as a kind of insight to my url - I'm pretty sure this was my very first post :D
2. What is your middle name. Hmm...for now, I won't say :) It's not that I hate it or it's a super secret or anything...I just don't particularly feel like sharing it, is all. Hope you guys don't mind ^_^ 3. If you could own a fairytale/fictional pet, what would it be ? Having a dragon would be super badass....but also having a threstral (did i spell is right) would be kinda cool (is that okay to say??? because of the whole death thing??) Idk, man... a phoenix would be pretty awesome too....
4. Favourite color ?
Silver/grey :D :D (i especially like the silver/blue combo, it's just so pretty) 5. Favorite song. Now by Paramore ^_^ it's my war song when things get kinda rough for me 6. What are your top 3 fandoms ? Supernatural, Harry Potter, and Sherlock :D :D :D 7. Why do you enjoy Tumblr ? I joined tumblr to get more Supernatural, so first and foremost that is why I'm here, lol - and i have not been disappointed ^_^
But I think the thing I love most are the people behind the posts on my dashboard - the artists, the writers (both meta and fan fic), the editors: just everyone. You are all so, so, so gifted and for you to share your talents with the world is the most amazing thing. Every day, I scroll through my dash and there is always something that leaves me breathless, so I keep coming back. That's what I enjoy about tumblr - the creativity it fosters and a platform for people to showcase the product of their creativity <333 8. Tag 9 of your Tumblr crushes (they can do the 8 questions as well)
feistymeg ; flusteredjensen ; cinnamonsentry ; t-rexcorcist ; samwincxster ; deanncastiel ; ilovethemoose ; supernaturalomens
(lol, i only have 8 here since Nishka (honeysweetsam) also happens to be one of my tumblr crushes, so yeah :p)
so...these are my current tumblr crushes uwu - if any of you would like to do another tag game, that's fine as well - it's up to you ^_^ and like i mentioned earlier: if anyone who would like to answer these questions (above) is free to do so!!!
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Tag Game
tagged by: obnoxiousamanda :D :D thank you, thank you, sweetie!!
name: cindy ^_^
time and date of current moment: 2:03am (*nervous laughter*) Feb 13, 2015
last thing I googled: i...huh, i don't remember. the last thing i remember googling was 'wells fargo'...idk if that was actually the last thing i googled
nicknames: none :/ but if anyone has one for me, i'd love to know what it is, lol
Birthday: March 13 (it's exactly 4 weeks away :D :D :D)
gender: female sexual orientation: pansexual
height: 5’1” favorite color: silver/grey place that makes you happy: my room for sure
how many blankets do you sleep under: currently three (but they're all throw blankets, so does that count?)
favourite movie: i'm trying to think if i really have one right now...inception is pretty awesome, and so is now you see me
what are you wearing right now: college t-shirt and weird pj capris with little monkeys on them, lol
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Rule #1 always post the rules
Rule #2 answer the questions the person who tagged you asked, then write 11 new ones
Rule #3 tag 11 people then link them in the post
Rule #4 tell them you tagged them
Rule #5 tell the person that tagged you that you’ve answered the questions
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tagged by: de4nmon :D thank you, love!
Questions to Answer:
1. What’s your favorite song atm?
Now (Paramore) is my all time fav song; but if i had to choose a secondary one...probably a toss up between Centuries and Take Me To Church
2. Who is your favorite fictional female character?
I really loved Kali in Supernatural...such a strong character
3. What was the last book you read?
The Trial by Kafka, I think
4. What’s your favorite tv show?
Supernatural :)
5. If you could go anywhere right now, where would you go?
I'm so tired, I'd probably just stay right here in my bed, lol
6. Tell me something about your first kiss
Well, I mean there's not much to tell...I haven't had it yet, lol
7. Do you have any pets?
Yes ^_^ my little dog
8. Where are you from?
I'm not sure if this met generally, specifically, or originally, but uh...I live in the US
9. Have you met any celebrities? Who?
I haven't...but I went to a Paramore concert last year and was in the very front row and I was so close to the stage, dude, like I could see Haley so freakin well, like if she sneezed i would have been hit :D (i mean, it's gross, but that's to tell you how close i was to her when she was on our side of the stage) and during one of the songs, she came over to our side of the stage and pointed right...at....the person next to me :O i was kinda bummed, but happy for the girl next to me and it was still awesome...i was so close dude *happy memories*
10. If you could invite 5 people to dinner at your house, who would they be?
Misha, Jared, Jensen (because that would be a comedy waiting to happen), Daniel Radcliffe (oh dear god, that would be AMAZING), and....a friend who i could share looks of disbelief during the event and talk about the dinner with later on ^_^
My Questions:
Do you sing along to the music in the car or do you just enjoy listening?
Do you ever switch end of the bed you sleep on?
What is your favorite outfit (it can be something that you own or maybe an outfit that you've seen and just really like)?
Do you prefer hugs or handshakes?
Early bird or night owl?
Your favorite character catchphrase (it doesn't necessarily have to be from your favorite character).
When you buy ear/headphones, is there a particular color you always get them in? If so, which color?
A playlist for when you're feeling like a badass (as many or as little songs as you'd like).
Since the last one is a list-type thing, I'm just gonna stop at 8 questions ^_^
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okie dokie ^_^ i think i got all the ones i've recently been tagged in :D
now i tag:
indigomadron ; downtheroadsofar ; differentdoesnotmeanwrong ; nerdyninjanarwhal ; arinae ; alice-in-tardis-land ; nightangelxo ; obsydious ; inspiredcastiel ; flickercas ; my-dreams-know-no-limit ; karazak12 ; smilingbecausefanfics ; winchesterdeansam ; bored-teenagerr ; capbbarness ; hellboundsoul ; zeppelincas ; starlightoffandoms ; assbutts-idjits
#androbeaurepaire#feistymeg#flusteredjensen#cinnamonsentry#t-rexcorcist#samwinxster#honeysweetsam#deanncastiel#ilovethemoose#supernaturalomens#obnoxiousamanda#de4nmon#indigomadron#downtheroadsofar#differentdoesnotmeanwrong#nerdyninjanarwhal#arinae#alice-in-tardis-wonderland#nightangelxo#obsydious#inspiredcastiel#flickercas#my-dreams-know-no-limit#karazak12#smilingbecausefanfics#winchesterdeansam#bored-teenagerr#capbbarness#hellboundsoul#zepplincas
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Lazy artists of Tumblr
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My Tumblr Crushes:
mishasdestiel
cinnamonsentry
yall-mothafuckas-need-misha
almaasi
supernaturalapocalypse
kittiecas
humanccas
destieldrabblesdaily
yourspecialeyes
These are the chipmunks I love the most! also oops there is a porn blog! #NoShame
#mishasdestiel#cinnamonsentry#yall-mothafuckas-need-misha#almaasi#supernaturalapocalypse#kittiecas#humanccas#destieldrabblesdaily#yourspecialeyes
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Hey guys. Idk if anyone else has posted this link yet, but it's for the kickstarter for the Riftworld Chronicles - the (hopefully) upcoming webseries starring Tahmoh Pennikett. It's only got about 2k of 25k and 29 days left! Please reblog amd donate if you can. If anyone's question ing the legitimacy, fear not. I copied the link straight off of Tahmoh's Twitter.
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#i have a really bad time drawing#im so unhappy with eveything i do#its just crap#i hate it
When i was young i draw a lot and i was so happy with it. Of cuz it was crap because i was a little kid, but that wasnt important. I was just happy doing this stuff. And now?! I have this picture in my head. And i really want my art to look like that. But it totally doesnt.
I know we should just go on and draw a lot. And some day we will be happy.. maybe?! We will get better,- i hope so. But its not easy to get over this bad feeling while looking at your own drawings. When i see really good art from other people, i keep asking myself how do they do this. How did they become so great at drawings. Did they feel the same?! And im sure they did. But they maybe were stronger and just keep drawing?!
We shouldn’t get down because our art isn’t that good at the moment. We should be happy about everytime we create something, because even if its not looking perfect, we did something only we can do. We MADE a piece of art.
But yeah… i can keep telling you this, but i should really believe it myself.
I wish you, all of you, who are struggling right now, that you have the endurance to keep going! Because you love art, thats why you do it. And you shouldnt be angry with something great, thats just not perfect. Nothing really is perfect.
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read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/2GNxRcT
by AlGhoul
For tumblr users gadreel-the-angel, cinnamonsentry (I don't know what their current names are, the fic is old), and other people who seem to dig blind!Gadreel idea. I saw a couple of quite sad ones, so I decided to go with an idea of G being totally comfortable with his blindness. That was my first ever fic written in english, so I'm sorry in advance.
Words: 593, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English
Fandoms: Supernatural
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: Gen
Characters: Gadreel (Supernatural), Castiel (Supernatural), Sam Winchester, Dean Winchester
Additional Tags: Blindness, Character Study, Angels
read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/2GNxRcT
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Abaddon.
Send me a Character and I’ll tell you if I would sleep with them
Not Enough Alcohol in the World || No || Maybe if I were wasted || Maybe || Eh…Sure || Yes || TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF NOW!
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Whoo yeah, high five to you, definitely! Skyrim has the weirdest issues, I swear, haha.
Yup, issues happen. Though I love it when my horse or character is sinking in solid stone hahaha. Another horse thing: once someone was throwing fireballs at me and my horse was in flames for the next 20 minutes. It's too bad that you cannot alter the character later on. I mean even change the damn hair style or something. (i'm gonna get the game on pc one day, i swear)
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Butting in; I don't really hate Hannah, I just don't really like her either. She felt empty to me, like a series of pre-existing expectations put to a character to make them likable. I've tried to look past it but I just... don't see a character beyond the nice angel tropes. Add to it that I unfairly hold her not saving Gadreel, who really did not want to be saved, against her and you have the issue at hand pretty much mapped out.
I definitely see where you're coming from. She really kinda bugged me in season 9, I saw her pretty much the way you did/do, but I feel like the writers improved her in season 10. By her last episode, I loved her.
Unpopular opinion night! (again)
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My Tumblr Crushes:
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cinnamonsentry
crabackles
zest-wincest
quercusrubra
stardustandmelancholy
museaway
da-kapitan
matisschaga
There are some amazing blogs here!)
#rosworms#cinnamonsentry#crabackles#zest-wincest#quercusrubra#stardustandmelancholy#museaway#da-kapitan#matisschaga
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