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#thoughts on s1 e12#jjk#jujutsu kaisen#itadori yuuji#its funny how much longer ive been apart of the fandom than ive actually seen the source material#like#this is my first time watching e12#but i already know everything that happens#*spoilers* going forward ye be warned!!!!#and honestly thank goodness for that because if i had to watch all of this about junpei?#i would not be okay#cinematically though they did an amazing job with his death#like the pacing was really good#it was so sudden#which is how death is in real life#its like ripping off a bandaid#the blow is actually very quick and clean#its everything that comes after thats messy#which is why: grieving#and i feel like yuuji's entire reaction and journey with junpei's death was really well done#and i feel like this is the first time we really see who yuuji is as a person and the motivations and psyche that runs deepest in him#he really is a bit feral and i love that for him#RIP Junpei though watching that in real time made me so freaking sad#he cries!! đ gosh not the tears poor baby i wanted to bawl#and when nanami wiped the tear of the transfigured human#i hope if i ever experienced such great misfortune that it literally remade me#that someone would have the courage and compassion to wipe my tears too đđđ#look i love gojo but i think a very special new place in my heart was just born for nanamin i cant lie#ughhh i need to reread 'of all the gods who knees to me i worship only you' by accumulations_of_little_despairs to deal with this
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Day 5: Submerged
(Disclaimer: one of the characters in this story belongs to me. For more information on Parker, go here. For my personal headcanons on Murdock, who belongs to the Markiplier Cinematic Universe, go here. And if youâd like to learn more about the mob these guys work for, go here.)
(As usual, I got tons of help with developing the main character of this story from the amazing @sammys-magical-au ! Please go check out their blog and stories!)
(Trigger Warnings: blood/gore, implied murder/death, implied drowning, implied violence, water/the ocean, descriptions of illegal business, descriptions of decay, aquatic insects, strong language. Please let me know if I missed anything.)
Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 6 Day 7
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Parker rolled his shoulders, still not quite adjusted to the straps that connected the tank to his back. They were good and secureâŠwhich, of course, was code for pinching and scratching against his skin.Â
Heâd been swimming ever since childhood; he was more than strong enough to free-dive if he chose. (In fact, if that wasnât the case, then heâd probably have a few more questions about reality than he already did.)Â
Even so, personal skill did nothing to change how the reef he was swimming towardsâhe could never remember its actual name, so he always just called it Oceanâs Nine-And-A-Halfâgrew about a hundred feet below the waves.
Fortunately enough, that also meant the reef was outside of almost every legal jurisdiction. In a technical sense, at least.
As often as he visited those sea-caves clustered by one side of the local beach, he typically never swam deep enough to need professional gear like this.
Hell, he usually made sure to keep his head above the waterâŠunless he was out on a job and happened to see unfamiliar figures in the dark.
Unless he had to duck under and hide, peering up at the surface and feeling the breath he had to hold writhe around in his lungs until he was sure any potential witness had moved on.
Yeah, the salt stung the eyes like a bitch, so sometimes heâd take a mask on his exploits (kinda funny, considering the carmine-colored facemask he always wore on land)âbut then, that was a simple type. One that wasnât designed with inner mechanisms that whirred and hissed in time with his breathing.Â
The stretchy, rubbery material of each flipper clung around his ankles, almost as though theyâd been suctioned to his skin. (And that was the reason he was so grateful that a dive like this didnât technically require an entire wetsuit rather than just his bleach-dyed swim trunks.)Â
Parker shook his head, reminding himself to focus on the water.Â
The water was cold. Not the freezing type that forced its way into your bonesânot to him, at least. To him, it just felt perfectly cool. Maybe just a few degrees cooler than the water inside sensory deprivation chambers.
(Fine, there was a layer of goosebumps prickling along his skin. But he still adjusted quickly, and the collection of colorful tattoos heâd gathered on his arms through the years helped to sort of cover them, so shut up.)Â
The water was dark. Not a gaping, pitch-black abyss that most thlasssophobia-havers probably had intrusive thoughts about whenever they went to a public poolânot to him, at least. More like a deep sapphire. Plus, even as the sun was actively setting, plenty of its rays still filtered down through the surface.
The way it swirled all around his arms, his legs, his torsoâŠit almost reminded him of musical notes. The way music could feel almost tangible if you were feeling angry enough to burrow into the sound.
Sometimes the only way to calm down was to wait and listen and play until you could physically feel each of those notes crawling through your brain.Â
It took a moment or two for Parker to actually enter Oceanâs Nine-And-A-Half, but that didnât mean he stopped swimming. He maneuvered himself around an organ pipe coral and kicked off further, careful to avoid scraping against algae-covered rock formations.
Anemones clung to stone at higher angles, their long, vivid green polyps slowly swaying to and fro.
A small octopus with bulging, pale eyes that honestly made it look like a C- Arts & Crafts project clambered along the sand, staring up at him as he passed by.
A pair of mandarin fish fled from the ripples he sent through the water.Â
A banded krait slithered out of a crevice, its sinuous body waving like a ribbon as it slowly-but-surely made its way for the surface.
(Parker made a mental note to bring that up with Azalea the next time he saw her. Sheâd mentioned her work-collection running a bit low on certain snake venoms during The Pentas Familyâs latest meeting.)
Heâs gotta be somewhere close, he thought. We were just a few miles away from the cityâs buoys when we stopped to drop himâŠ
Although, as he turned a corner in the reef, he was caught in a nearly neck-snapping doubletake when he spotted a cluster of small, sock-shaped creatures clinging to a rock on that very corner.
Sea squirts were basic filter-feeding invertebrates; sure, they came in a variety of colors and shapes, but that was pretty much it.Â
These ones, however, seemed to be more on the overachieving side.
They each boasted a strange stripe pattern underneath their translucent skin. Aforementioned pattern was white, save for a trio of little black dots on the part where a face might have been. This might not have sounded like much at first, but when you realized how the stripes really did resemble a tiny spine flanked by tiny ribs that raced up toward a tiny skull with tiny sharp teeth. . .
Parker found himself unable to help but pauseâwithout the regulator connected to the oxygen tank, his mouth probably wouldâve fallen open.
Despite all the things heâd done in his career so far, somewhere deep inside him was a tiny kernel of something that demanded an occasional dose of whimsy.
And itâd been a hot minute since he'd gotten some whimsy, and there was some fresh whimsy right-fucking-here.Â
So, he had to take a moment to circle around these creepy-yet-cute, strangely skeletal-looking sea squirts.
In fact, aforementioned sea squirts ended up being the key to his little conundrum.Â
Because on his third time circling then, he caught something else out of the corner of his eye: a very odd shape that sat about ten-or-so feet away.Â
âŠWell, sat wasnât the right word. Hovered would be more accurate, considering how a thick, sturdy rope was coiled around the end of it, connecting it to a cinder block that was partially sunken into the sand.Â
Adrenaline reaching a boiling point, Parker surged toward the shape. Even with the supply of oxygen literally strapped to his face, his heart and lungs felt as though they were crystallizing from the inside-out.
As he grew closer and closer, he realized that the shape didnât appear dark or blurry due to the water; no, that honor went to all the creatures that were currently pushing and shoving to nip at it. A few dozen schools of tiny fish all gathered around the mass, truly seeming to move as one, their little scales glinting in the dim light.Â
Thin, misty veils of something drifted out from between all of them, slowly-but-surely drifting upward, only to fade into the water before they had a chance to reach the surface.Â
Of course, once Parker got within potential touching distance, the tiny fish all darted away before he could even blink. Almost like a magic trick.Â
A generous amount of crabs stayed, either not noticing their sudden watcher or not caring about his opinions on their dietary choices. They clambered along what was left of the shapeâs clothingâeven that thick jacket heâd been wearing those three days ago had already been reduced to a pile of shredded rags.Â
Parker tilted his head, feeling an unhinged smile etch its way across his features.Â
He knew from experience that decomposition typically took longer underwater than it did on land, but there simply wasnât much left of his latest target.Â
His rotting flesh was an awful combination of loose and taut, desperately clinging to the bones underneath. Not a single square-inch of tissue was unmarked by jagged wounds that were oh-so-clearly strange little bitemarks. His mouth hung open as if in a silent scream, revealing that his tongue was gone and probably not coming back anytime soon.Â
Both of his cloudy eyes (such a departure from the dark brown shade theyâd been before. Theyâd been so dark that Parker had barely even seen the way his pupils had constricted as he thrashed and howled through the water) still remained in their sockets, but theyâd taken on a definite sag.
Even with his disturbing satisfaction, an icy chill dripped down Parkerâs spine as he watched a sealouse scuttle up the targetâs neck and along his withering jawline before squirming its way through the space between the right eye and its papery-looking lid.Â
Just like before, Parker swam a few circles around the corpse. Only this time, his movements were more relaxed, maybe even a bit lazy, calm. A cacophony from the past tapped its rhythm through his eardrums.Â
Screams laced with threats and profanities that eventually bled into gagging and wretching and pleading, which themselves had bled into unintelligible gurgles after a few long, hard-fought momentsâŠÂ
With that, Parker finally looked up and began wading toward the surface. Toward that dark, rectangular shape that gently bobbed against the water, waiting patiently for him (he wasnât sure the same could be said for its owner, though).
While he didnât look back down, part of his couldnât shake the feeling that the corpse was somehow staring after him as he swam further and further away.Â
Another part of him hoped that the corpse was watching him, because it would only cement the fact (if Caliban was here, he wouldâve gotten a kick out of that) that the dead fucker wasnât going anywhere. He would have to sit at the bottom of that reef and think about what heâd done, about how heâd fucked around with Parker and his peers one too many times.Â
As always, the surface looked like wobbling glass right before Parkerâs head broke through it. The cool air practically slapped him in the face, but that didnât stop him. He paddled his way around to the bow of the houseboat, hissing through clenched teeth as one of his knees collided with the ladder that hung in the water.
Parker hefted himself onto the deck, shrugging off the oxygen tank right after pulling the eye-mask and regulator away from his face. He then sat back on his haunches, leaning against a nearby lower beam. The burning, aching sensation that slithered through him almost made the muscles in his arms and legs seem to be vibrating.Â
Even so, it wasnât a bad kind of ache. That was just how you knew youâd had a good, effective swim-time.Â
Footsteps thudded from down the very short corridor that led into the main reason why this structure was called a houseboat. By the time he looked over in their direction, a purple blur came flying over to crash-land directly into his face. Considering how soft, fuzzy, and obviously harmless this blur turned out to be, Parker didnât immediately fly into a defensive rage.Â
Instead, he simply yelped and fumbled with the towel, pulling it down to see Murdock leaning against the nearby threshold with a patented smirk on his face.Â
âWell?â The hitman asked, his deep baritone oozing up from his lungs and into the air. âHowâs that buddy of ours doing?âÂ
âOh, good,â Parker answered, voice dripping with sarcastic humor. âTotally good. Heâs made a bunch of new friends down there.âÂ
He raised the towel over his head, quickly drying his hair; it wasnât quite as long as Murdockâs, but it seemed an even darker shade of black in the right light.Â
Murdock nodded, chuckling. âAnd do you think thereâll be anything left of him later in the week?â
âProbably. But even if someone comes across him, they won't be able to recognize him. Let alone find any fingerprints.âÂ
Deciding that his face was now dry enough, Parker pulled himself onto the very bench heâd been leaning against. He pushed the towel aside in favor of rummaging through the duffel bag heâd brought onboard an hour ago.Â
Sooner or later, he found his prized facemask, the straps of which soon returned to their place behind his ears, hiding everything below his eyes from the world.Â
âWell, alright then!â Murdock proclaimed, the beautiful mixture of orange and pink and violent on the horizon reflecting in his black-tinted shades. âJobâs officially done.â
He shifted in place, making to turn on his heel and head back to the control-room positioned right beside his bedroomâŠonly to pause, his eyes lingering on his fellow contract-killer.Â
Parker raised an eyebrow. âWhat?âÂ
âNothing, nothing.â Murdock offered a coy shrug. âJust thinking about how youâd drowned that idiot in one of the sea caves before youâd dragged him through the water and onto the same spot youâre sitting now.â
Parker snorted, smirking. âThatâs what we call efficiency, isnât it? I couldnât have just left him to float over by the docks; someone wouldâve found him in the next hour.âÂ
âOh, Iâm not doubting that,â Murdock reassured. Another bout of quiet snickers seeped through his lips as he traipsed down the hall.Â
In just a moment, the houseboatâs engine roared to life.Â
Parker instinctually held onto one of the nearby support bars, admiring the way the sunlight glimmered against the water. It almost felt like the scene was so pretty because the elements themselves were actively trying to hide what he and his accomplice had done.Â
And as the houseboat began to turn in the water, its bow now pointing toward all those glowing buildings that loomed near the Cove Port Inletâs beach, Parked began humming to himself.
He would be dropped off back home in an hour; he wondered if heâd have enough time to sneak over to the studio and polish up that song heâd been struggling with latelyâŠ
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Wowwww. This is amazing stuff!! I go back and forth on theories about the off-ness of the minisodes, but had slowly been coming to support that Crowley might actually be the narrator of those, or at least some of them. It makes sense, the whole cinematic theme of the opening time cards alone for example would very much be something he would imagine, the film buff that he is.
Now Iâm trying to figure out how this explains his odd disappearance from the bookshop during the Job minisode. Was it Aziraphale daydreaming? Or was it Crowley? Because watching that scene, after Aziraphale opens the book and the camera pans to the both of them standing there looking down at it, I didnât think it was my imagination to see that the focus as the camera slowly zooms is more on Crowley, before the scene changes to the flashback.
And though it seems very small (but it bothers me) this would also explain Aziraphaleâs seeming ho-hum attitude to Crowley being dragged to Hell at the end of the Resurrectionists. Crowley couldnât know that Aziraphale was very likely freaking the eff out, so does his narration of it like that show that he is, at the very least, still unsure of how deeply Aziraphale actually does care (ie Hoffmanâs erroneous assumption that Stella doesnât love him) ?
Implications for the zombies minisode? Crowley always seemed more âdimmedâ to me. He was always in the dark (like, more than usual), didnât have a ton of lines, didnât shine like Aziraphale did, which I had assumed was bc Aziraphale was narrating and naturally is the star of his own show. But the idea that thatâs how Crowley sees himâbright, bubbly, sweet and silly⊠đ„șđ„șđ„ș
And the clock change at the end. Wowzers thereâs some implications there. Iâd kind of passed it off as continuity issues bc thatâs what NG said (but would NG lie when asked a direct question about it? Yes Iâm pretty sure he would đ) Need to stew on that more, and maybe rewatch (darn). But the idea is that, if Crowley stopped time during or right before/after the kiss (presumably to discuss a plan?), everything that came before was real, everything that came after was an act? In my heart of hearts I believe the confession was true. Ill-timed but genuine. And I want to believe Aziraphaleâs reaction to the kiss after Crowley leaves is real. So when would the stop have happened I wonder, why did Crowley think to stop time (did he do it himself? Did Aziraphale ask him to? Whennnn?) and what did they say?
Going on all this, the one theory I havenât let go of is that Aziraphale must know itâs a trap, but he also knows he has to go (his whole whole delivery of the offer to Crowley was offfffff) But coffee or death isnât much of a choice. So, when time is stopped, he says they have to separate bc itâs too dangerous for Crowley, and Crowley doesnât want to. He thinks they should work together on this and Aziraphale thinks he can do something in Heaven on his own and also keep Crowley safely away. It would give another explanation as to why Crowley stayed there by the Bentley afterwards (and looks exceedingly more dour than Aziraphale when driving awayâheâs worried, angry and now alone, but maybe not heartbroken like we thought) It would also give another explanation to Aziraphaleâs significant (imo) glance back at him right before getting into the elevator, and his creepy smile right at the end. Heâs come up with his own plan this time.
And also, the idea that Aziraphale played their song on the Bentley for him to comfort him after he left. You can pry that hc out of my cold dead fingers đ
Just mooting some thoughts here. Canât wait for the next post about this!!
Oh my god, season 2 is The Tales of Crowley Hoffmann
I guess this has to be a series now too. Part 1
When Aziraphale wants to perform a show-stopping magic trick in S2E4, he is shown the "Professor's Nightmare," a rope trick, and references "Prof Hoff himself" at the end of the minisode.
Because we love double meanings so much around here, I decided to actually watch the Powell & Pressburger epic opera film "The Tales of Hoffmann," assuming it was the another P&P easter egg and the other Hoffmann (not the magician) that was being referenced.
One, this movie is unhinged. Two, this season IS The Tales of Hoffmann. Allow me to explain...
There are shot for shot quotes literally everywhere throughout the season.
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Automaton Ball) & Good Omens Season 2 "The Ball"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Hoffmann watches Stella perform) & Good Omens Season 2 "The one with the zombies"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Clerk in Automaton Ball) & Good Omens Season 2 "The Ball"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Tale of Antonia, Hoffman & Antonia) & Good Omens Season 2 "The Clue Crowley & Aziraphale"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Prologue) & Good Omens Season 2 "The one with the Zombies"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Tale of Giulietta Banquet scene) & Good Omens Season 2 "The Clue Banquet scene" *By the way Hoffmann wears a goatee for this tale
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Prologue "Dragonfly dance") & Good Omens Season 2 Prologue "Before the Beginning" *This is Stella and un unknown devil drangonfly, NOT Hoffmann
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Tale of Antonia) & Good Omens Season 2 "The Clue"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Tale of Antonia) & Good Omens Season 2 "The one with the Zombies"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (Automaton Ball) & Good Omens Season 2 "The Ball"
P&P The Tales of Hoffmann (End credits through Hoffman's glasses) & Good Omens Season 2 end credit scene.
Stella & Aziraphale. This one makes me laugh.
There are SO MANY MORE, but tumblr has an image limit. Seriously, it's nuts.
2. It seems simple and straightforward, but it's not at all
" Why would ambitious filmmakers simply film an opera? Many admirers of the work of Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger have assumed that their decision to make The Tales of Hoffmann (...) was in some way an admission(...) that they couldnât go on making their edgy, over-the-top melodramas after the rejection and interference theyâd suffered (but) thereâs a case for considering The Tales of Hoffmann as one of the finest and boldest works that Powell and Pressburger produced, so far ahead of its time as a wholly âcomposedâ film, combining visual and musical elements, that it has still not been fully appreciated... Late in his life, Powell himself said that he thought it was one of the best films that he and Pressburger had made. What makes the film so remarkable is a series of paradoxes: the fact that it virtually reinvented the freedom and fantasy of silent cinema while making full use of Technicolor and a stellar cast of dancers and singers..." - Criterion, The lives of marionettes
3. The structure of the story is the same as the show
Here is the story of the Movie** (Not really the Opera that inspired it) In the prologue, we see the dance of the dragonflies onstage at a ballet. Count Lindoff (very bad dude) is spying on both the principal dancer Stella, and the audience member Hoffmann (who's admiring her). Lindoff is behind the scenery. During her dance, Stella passes a love note to her assistant for Hoffmann. The bad dude intercepts it out of jealousy. During the intermission, Hoffmann goes down to the tavern next door, watched by his sort of buddy in red, Nicklaus. People ask him to tell stories to while away the time, and so he tells 3 stories (actually four but we'll get back to that).
We launch into 3 tales/minisodes in other times and places : 1. The Tale of the Ball of the Automaton where he falls in love with a robot. He is humiliated. 2. The tale of Venice (Giulietta) where he falls in love with a courtesan/double agent who crosses him. 3. The tale of Antonia, where he falls in love with a girl who feels trapped by her living dad, her dead mom and a mysterious bad dude (Lindoff). She is murdered in a ring of fire, but becomes a ghost and is resurrected and sent back to earth. At the end, we snap back to the tavern in the real world. Hoffmann reveals that these three women are all metaphors for how he feels about Stella, his true love. He's drunk and depressed now, thinking she never sent for him after the show. Stella arrives in the tavern looking for Hoffmann, ready to run away, but now accompanied by Lindoff (dressed as an angelic figure) who followed her. She looks to Hoffmann to save her, but he's too blinded by the fact that he doesn't think she loves him back to pick up on the signal. He gives up, and she goes back up the stairs guided by Lindoff. Her assistant (who was bribed by Lindoff at the beginning) is given the go ahead by Lindoff to go back to the tavern and taker over. They close the door to the tavern, while she walks up ethereal stairs with the bad dude. THE END.
The one story that doesn't fit into the minisodes and is told in the real world is Kleinzach. We understand by the end of this one that this is Hoffmann's self loathing about never being good enough for Stella, because Stella is perfect and Hoffmann is ugly and deformed. The main love interest attempts to steal Kleinzach's essence through a mirror by the end. 4. Powell & Pressburger recast four actors in new roles In The Tales of Hoffmann, P&P decided to recast four of the principal actors/dancers from the film The Red Shoes in new roles, wanting to recreate the magic that they brought to the first ballet film. Sound familiar?
5. Crowley is Hoffmann
"The Tales of Hoffmann" original 1881 costume concept for Hoffmann & Crowley costume sketch for S2E3 1827 Edinburgh. Glasses are a really important aspect for Hoffmann in both the opera and the movie versions of The Tales of Hoffmann. Hoffmann is gifted metaphorical magic glasses that he wears to be able to perceive his love in a way they aren't really in real life. In the opera, he wears dark glasses to shut out the real world, not just as a metaphor. Check out a modern day version of the opera's Hoffmann costume :
He's french and slamming a beer but you get it. Crowley also canonically loves watching movies. It would make so much sense that his minisode recountings with him and Aziraphale would resemble different styles of movie that he loves. Seeing as we see him drive away at the end as the last character, an argument could be made for him being the ultimate narrator of the story in season 2.
6. The original American release of The Tales of Hoffman had 14ish minutes cut out of it by the studio. So we all know by now that whole debacle about having the clocks jump 14-15ish minutes during the kiss?
"The Tales of Hoffmann found an audience far wider than expected, despite Kordaâs misgivings about the movieâs running time and his decision to cut 14 minutes out of the film for its American release." - Criterion, The Tales of Hoffman
I have been unable to unearth what the difference between the American & British versions of the P&P Tales of Hoffmann is, if you know let ME know. I want to know! _____________________________________
And I HAVE SO MUCH MORE. This is long enough already so I'll save the more detailed stuff for a new post.
**The opera is a whole other beast. You can read about it here, but basically there's a lot more going on in the opera because the composer died before finishing it, and multiple versions exist after the original uncompleted score got lost IN A FIRE. Anyway.
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Jon Renish (Foundation Technical Director @ BioWare, working on DA4) recently did a Twitch stream where he played through some DAO. Although he works on DA, this is his first time playing through DAO. Heâs playing through it looking at random details from a dev perspective as heâs currently working on DA4 and therefore wants to know more about the previous games.
On the stream he mentioned some tidbits on the development of DA4. There were also some insights and anecdotes about the development of DAO and similar. Itâs a 3 hour stream so I collected them here in case thatâs of use to anyone (for example not everyone can watch streams which donât have subtitles/captions). The stream is a fun/interesting watch though, so if youâre curious or able to watch I recc doing so. đ The rest of this post is under a cut for length.
Please note that thereâs some paraphrasing on my part, this is not a transcript. There are also some additions from another dev who featured on the stream to give some commentary. The stream also contains more snippets that at times I couldnât make out (I tried my best!).
(There is a mention of Cullenâs VA in the text below.)
DA4
Jon said he can talk about things about DA4 that arenât âconsumer-facingâ, but he canât say anything about the game that would be consumer-facing but which isnât already publicly available. There are several reasons for this. One, thatâs not his job, there are people whose job this is and they let each other do their respective roles. Two, BW are a publicly-traded company, so if he said something that could affect that that would be insider trading. Three, theyâre not done making DA4 yet, so if he said that they have added [x] to the game and people got all excited about that or pre-ordered on that basis, but [x] ended up being cut, people would be like âBioWare lied to usâ, when itâs just that things changed during the course of development, as is often the case
Heâs glad that fans are excited for the game but notes that fan expectations are always double-edged. It can be really tough as some people started âplayingâ the game in their heads as soon as they heard of it. Thatâs fine, he loves that, but he hopes that peoplesâ expectations donât turn into requirements. Clearly BW have alluded to certain characters, like Solas, being in the game, but some fans say things like âIf [say] Morrigan isnât in the game, then, rahhh!â Yâknow, thereâs a lot of talk about how certain characters have to be in the game, and yeah.
On characters which are quantum (i.e. characters which can die or which can have similar end-states as death in previous games): their being quantum makes it really hard for the devs to work with those characters in subsequent games. The devs naturally arenât going to put as much effort into characters which could have died previously. A character can have had an amazing appearance throughout/role in a previous game, but if there is a risk of something happening to them and of them being removed [effectively] from the plot, it just doesnât make sense to have them as a major character in a subsequent game. If a character can, say, sacrifice themselves in some glorious ending, the devs have to make sure that if they use them again, in worldstates where the character didnât do that, the character is kind of âmutedâ, as the devs donât want to disrespect the players who made a different choice
A comment in chat expressed a wish for Shale in DA4. Jonâs response is that he has no idea on that front
Bugs donât come out of crunch, they come out of development in general. Crunch does impact on the quality of a game though. In recent years BW are always really trying to reduce crunch, theyâre currently working really hard to bring it down. The best way of doing that is by controlling scope. As creatives itâs tough to balance wanting to make great stuff and be industry-leading with the desire to constantly do extra passes over things theyâve created like the audio, art etc. Their biggest enemy is time, other ways of reducing crunch or time spent in general include iterating tools to make often-repeated processes as time-efficient as possible
I think the following was an observation on the industry in general as opposed to a BW-specific/-exclusive comment: he thinks that as a result of this sort of thing [working to reduce crunch], a lot of games are going to have to be smaller and a lot more focused in scope i.e. the devs will have to focus on hitting the key selling points of that particular game/series as hard as they can, and cut down on branching out sideways/wide on a bunch of random other stuff
Jon doesnât personally engage in character creators in games, but he knows that for some players that expression is worth a lot of time and focus. BW want to be industry-leading in this kind of stuff as itâs something which is interesting/key/integral to their games
In a way BW have made their own nest of problems what with every DA game being so different to the previous one. Still, he notes that each game has a staunch fanbase that says that their particular favorite game is the best one in the series
He doesnât want people who think that DA4 isnât what they want to buy it and be upset - there are so many other great games out there! BW are going to make the game theyâre going to make - if some people like it, thatâs great, and if some people donât, thatâs cool. Sometimes waiting until reviews are out and/or really seeing beforehand if a game is something that you want [has things/features in it that you want] prior to getting it - as opposed to jumping right in or pre-ordering - is a good idea. Fans donât always know what they want, but they do know what they like - these are 2 different things
He hopes that whatever they ship for DA4, people go âI enjoyed this experienceâ, and that then, if thereâs additional content for it down the road, people can decide, âdo I want this further content?â
On hair: BW are using the new hair technology in the latest version of the Frostbite engine, so theyâll see what they can do! This was said in response to a comment about the hair in the latest FIFA games (as EA make FIFA)
A comment in chat asked about a flying mechanic (griffons). Jonâs response is that flying is such a heavy gameplay mechanic that you canât put it in a game without everything in the game being built about it (see Anthem)
Relating to the above comment, in DA4 mounted combat would be cool but then theyâd have to make the game âaroundâ mounted combat and make the mounted combat feature meaningful
On the underwater concept art: it should not be interpreted as a promise of gameplay. BW have amazing artists who sit down for a couple weeks while theyâre in early production and just draw loads and loads of all kinds of stuff. Concept art is like a moodboard or Pinterest board. Elsewhere in the stream he advised, take all the concept art together like a mosaic and ask, âwhat is the overall theme[s] here?â, and to zoom out from individual details. [This stuff echoes PWâs word on concept art]
BW donât generally write things or the choices as bleak as the choices in DAO were anymore. This is a conscious choice on their part, they want their game to be fun [note: this was said when the side quest in Orzammar where the Warden has the option of convincing a dwarven mother to abandon her young baby to die was being played through. It seems to refer to intensively grimdark choices/beats of this kind]
I think this was more of a general comment on games: SSDs (solid state drives) mean that players will see shorter elevator rides (Mass Effect - was this a reference to the remaster?) and fewer switchback corridors (those are actually loading zones). Generally, these are going to change mechanically the time it takes to do stuff in games
The devs have lots of features on their backlog that theyâd like to offer players but each will ofc involve implementation and subsequent maintenance, and each one that is chosen to add is being chosen over something else. And sometimes, itâs hard for them to tell if [x] feature or [y] feature would be better to add to the game
Theyâre about to work on a giant feature (a pure tooling feature, something that isnât consumer-facing) that is probably going to take ~2 staff years of effort [I think âstaff effortâ includes multiple staff working concurrently, so 2 years of staff effort doesnât = 2 years of time chronologically] to get done in the next few months. Theyâre investing all this effort across the people working on it because they donât want their artists and designers etc to have to deal with the problem that itâs going to solve anymore. Iâm not sure what this feature is but elsewhere in the stream they referred to tooling and automation and gave the example of, the better your tooling is, the fewer times you have to manually set the camera for a human vs elf vs dwarf position, for dynamically-generated [cinematic?] content and for the first pass to be automated (if this is the case, less time is spent/wasted on redoing it and manually touching it up) [see last bullet point in this section]
He doesnât know how big DA4 is going to be but said âletâs ballpark and say like most games itâll be somewhere between 70 and 100 GBâ
If we kept our Wardens as the PC throughout all 3 games, at the end they would be so powerful that itâd be a bit like âLetâs just do [thing], Iâve killed gods before, whateverâ. He thinks itâs good that they have fresh characters each time in DA in order to reset that power level. Some people want more Commander Shepard in the next Mass Effect and he feels like, âwhat else could you possibly want / what else could that character possibly do after 3 games?â
When asked how much freedom he/they have now to focus on next gen, he said that thereâs actually almost no difference on that front. The problems never change. They now have better renderers, better ray-tracing, better graphics cards etc, but they have always made DA games for high- and low-spec PCs, so itâs actually about gameplay systems. The freedom isnât power-based and them getting access to more cores and more RAM generally isnât going to change how the games are played. The games still have to be made for hard drives on PC. Dev creativity matters more than power here. The challenge of building a BW game is more about/from managing loads of different plotstates, loads of different art pieces, etc
On the title situation (two): names are the last thing they worry about because names have to go through legal before being approved. Every name, including character names, has to be checked in case itâs a famous person, or associated with something bad, or offensive in a different language due to localization etc
They donât do face scans of people with big beards
There was also a bit about changes/developments to/in the cinematic design process and associated tooling [?] but I found it too hard to follow sorry >< This bit of commentary begins at timestamp ~ 1:52:45 and continues til ~ 2:00:05 [keep listening through the bit where they pause for a cutscene]
General BW
Thereâs currently ~350 staff in Edmonton, ~200 in Austin and more elsewhere
He notes that DA games sell pretty well, but relative to EA games in general, theyâre a drop in the bucket compared to FIFA
DAI
5% of players of DAI never created a character [Q: does this refer to people who just used the default appearances/presets with no editing, or people who only played multiplayer?]
The mounts donât actually go faster than running, this is an illusion
I think they said it has 55,000 lines of dialogue. [Iâm pretty sure I remember devs elsewhere saying it has 80,000 lines of dialogue]
One of the companions had to have their name changed during development because of legal/translation reasons. It sounds like the original name sounded too close to something offensive
DA2
Back when DA2 was internally code-named âNug Stormâ: this was at the beginning when it was pitched to the team on a set of slides. The image on the slide for that pitch had devil horns, a metal hand and no flesh, it was just made out of fire and flames
DAO
The engine DAO is made on is the third engine that they tried for it during development. [David Gaider has gone into the DAO engine stuff some on Summerfallâs series of DAO playthrough streams]
The cracks on the cracked eluvian asset are modelled after the crack on the Tardis in Doctor Who from around that time, as at the time some devs had been talking about Doctor Who a lot. A dev actually added this factoid to DAOâs entry on TV Tropes but someone else (evidently not a DA dev) came by and deleted it saying that it was too much of a stretch x)
Before the game had its name there was an HTML script that randomly generated possible titles for consideration, it adds verbs and nouns together e.g. âGrim Darkâ. One of the craziest possibilities that it once generated that the devs always remember is "Bone Windâ
One of the portraits thatâs used for decoration around the world in-game (itâs of a bearded human man) is actually of a specific BW staff member
He played through Stone Prisoner, where Wilhelmâs son Matthias gives exposition in the cellar. Matthias is voiced by GE and this had been pointed out to Jon earlier on. Jon:Â âI donât think that characterâs voice acting was super strong thereâ
On the in-game area towards the end of Stone Prisoner: Outdoor areas in games are large and one of the things needed for them is streaming, so different chunks can be âstreamed inâ. Thereâs a tower [?], and technically the top of the tower was made an outdoor level so that sky stuff could be there, though it didnât really need to be. The person that made it an outdoor level chose the very smallest chunk size for the terrain mesh, which determines how fine of a streaming they do. So when playing, every time you moved like 4 meters, the game would stream out 50-100 chunks behind you and the same in front of you (this is the bubble around the player of what actually exists). Because it was so small, it was constantly thrashing the CPU and disc to do all the loading. The devs were like âthis isnât going to workâ, but they barely had any time. The solution: they made a new level that was outdoor and copied all the sunlight and other settings, but with the largest chunk size. They copy-pasted the entire level from one to the other. The problem with that many chunks then is that there was a giant expanse of flat terrain sticking out of the middle of the tower. They didnât know if the story was going to involve shots of the outside of the tower for this sequence or not, so they took the terrain deformation tool and bundled all the terrain vertices at the bottom of the tower in a giant clump. So to this day thereâs a mess of vertices and twisted terrain at the bottom of the final level that probably no-one has ever seen [not sure though if this anecdote is in reference to a place in that DLC or somewhere elsewhere in the game?]
There were also some tidbits on Anthem, however I didnât note them down (sorry).
If you think I misheard or misunderstood anything from this stream please let me know and I will edit/fix it. :)Â
(Thankyou to some of my friends who explained a tech detail from this to me.)
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What's Going On? (Doctor Strange x Reader Part 11)
Fandom: Marvel Cinematic Universe Pairing: Doctor Strange x fem! Reader Series: Itâs all a Little Strange, Chapter 11 (Final) Masterlist â(f/n).â âStephen?â you opened your eyes to see said man in front of you, and the world moving in reverse. âWhatâs going on?â âReversing everything. Weâve got a second chance.â He told you eagerly. Beside you, Wong was jumping up to his feet. Stephen summoned the spell in front of Wong and Wong blinked in confusion as he noticed the world around him. âIâm breaking the laws of nature, I know.â âWell, donât stop now.â Wong nodded as the damage around you returned to a fixed state. He then noticed you, âoh thank goodness youâre okay.â You looked at Wong in confusion, you didnât recall anything harmful happening to you during the battle. âWhat? What happened?â
âSorry to interrupt,â Stephen interjected, âwhen the Sanctum is restored, they will attack again. We have to defend it.â âCome on!â Mordo called and the four of you ran towards the Sanctum. There was the sound of magic behind you and the four of you turned to see Kaecilius with his hands above him in the middle of a spell. âNo!â you shouted and shot a fiery whip at him. It did nothing to help as he dropped to the ground and sent a shockwave out. The four of you yelled as you held your hands up to your face to block the dust but it was futile as you were thrown off your feet. There was the sound of magic again and the world stopped moving. Stephen fell on his hand and the spell stopped working. âUgh.â You groaned. âGet up, Strange.â Mordo grunted as he struggled to his feet. You followed suit but had more trouble than either Mordo or Wong. âGet up and fight!â Your side was starting to hurt again, you assumed it was from getting thrown back, or from the battle. Mordo settled into a fighting stance while you and Wong wielded your relics, âwe will finish this.â âIsnât it beautiful?â Kaecilius murmured, âa world beyond time. Beyond death.â âBeyond timeâŠâ Stephen murmured and froze from getting up. âStephen?â you looked at him in confusion, âStephen!â he had a faraway look that made you suspect he had a crazy plan forming in his mind. âListen, whatever youâre thinking, thereâs another way. Weâll find it.â âSorry (f/n).â He shook his head and flew up into the air towards Dormammu. âStephen!â you screamed after him. At the same time, Mordo yelled âStrange!â âHeâs gone.â Kaecilius taunted and you suddenly remembered that he was still here, âStephen Strange has left to surrender to his power.â âNo.â You shook your head, âhe may be a bit arrogant and rude, but he wouldnât do something like this.â He then descended behind Kaecilius in all his majestic glory. You gaped at this and turned to Wong and Mordo who looked just as confused. Kaecilius took notice of this and looked behind him to see Stephen. âWhat have you done?â he demanded. âI made a bargain.â Stephen replied simply. âWhat is this?â Kaecilius demanded as his hand started to warp and turn black. âWell, itâs, uh...itâs everything you ever wanted.â Kaecilius and his zealots screamed as they were taken up into the air to join Dormammu. âEternal life as part of the One. Youâre not going to like it.â Stephen chuckled. You, Wong, and Mordo walked to Stephen as you watched the three bodies writhe in the air. Stephen then summoned the spell and the green circle appeared in his hand again, with a look of deep concentration, he reversed time. The rest of you watched in awe as everything fixed itself. The building was rebuilt, the eerie blue and red light disappeared into the ground, everything became right again. Time started its passage again and the entire city became alive again. Everyone continued as if nothing had ever happened. Which, in their minds, nothing weird ever did happened. âI think he really should have stolen the whole book, because the warnings...the warnings come after the spells.â Stephen muttered. Wong suddenly burst into peals of gleeful laughter, and you, Mordo, and Stephen looked at him in concern, âoh, thatâs funny.â âOh my gosh you made him laugh,â you pulled Stephenâs
shoulder down to your height so you could whisper into his ear, âgood job.â âWe did it.â Stephen announced. âIt was mostly you,â you pointed out. âYes, we did it. By also violating the natural laws.â Mordo stalked away from your group angrily. âLook around you,â Stephen gestured to the surrounding area, âitâs over.â âYou still think there will be no consequences, Strange?â Mordo turned to Stephen, âno price to pay?â he demanded, âwe broke our rules, just like her.â He angrily pointed at Stephen, âthe bill comes due. Always.â The three of you watched Mordo, âI will follow this path no longer.â He declared and stomped away through the streets full of life. âYeah, itâs okay.â Stephen nodded and Mordoâs form disappeared in the sea of people. âYou did it Stephen!â you cheered and wrapped your arms around him in a hug, âyou truly are an amazing man.â âI thought you were angry at me.â He laughed as he returned the hug. âI think saving the world helps to make me not angry at you.â You cheekily replied. The two of you looked into each otherâs eyes and time seemed to slow down as Stephen closed his eyes and leaned his head down. You stood up on your tiptoes to meet his half way and your lips crashed together into a kiss. âWhat was that about me being an egotistical arrogant prick?â he smiled. You gasped, âwho told you that!â your conversation was interrupted by a cough and the two of you jumped apart as Wong awkwardly stood to the side. âI think we should be heading back to Kamar-Taj.â âAh, right.â Both you and Stephen agreed. âŻâŻâŻ âMordo was talking about a âherâ?â you questioned Stephen as the two of you walked through the halls of Kamar-Taj, âsaid something about her breaking the rules?â âItâs nothing.â Stephen waved a hand in the air as if doing that would dismiss the topic. âStephen.â You stopped walking and glared at him, âI want to know.â âHe was talking about the Ancient One.â He sighed and returned to you, âshe was using Dormammuâs power to live for centuries.â âOh.â You didnât know how to take in this information. It had occurred to you at one point that it was strange how old the Ancient One was, but you never really thought about it. âYouâre not angry at her?â he asked in surprise. âIâm sure she had a reason to do what she did, plus, she never tried to destroy the world.â You laughed. âThatâs true.â He agreed. You looked up at him and he looked like he had something more to say, âwhat is it?â âWong was talking to me.â âHey! You donât have the Eye of Agamotto anymore!â you interrupted in surprise as you realized the gold pendant wasnât hanging off his neck anymore. âOh, sorry.â âYeah, Wong was saying something about how Iâll be able to wear the Eye of Agamotto at some point, but until then I shouldn't walk the streets wearing an infinity stone? Iâm not entirely sure what he means by that. Do you know anything about that?â âIâve heard rumors, nothing concrete though.â âAnyways, uh, I mightâve accepted the role of the Master of the New York Sanctum.â He continued sheepishly. âWow, thatâs awesome.â âWhat I really wanted to ask you though, is do you want to be the Master with me? I know itâs not orthodox nor custom and such-â Stephen started to ramble but you gently cut him off. âStephen,â you interrupted and he shut his mouth, âI have a job.â âCanât you quit?â he asked, âstay with me, in this world. I know you love this world more than the normal world.â You laughed, âIâm not going to leave you. You know that. How long have I been a doctor and your mentor?â âI just, Iâd feel better knowing you were in the Sanctum with me.â You pondered over it, âokay.â âWhat?â he looked surprised at how quickly you had taken up his idea. âOkay.â You repeated. âAwesome.â He smiled, âIâve started compiling a watchlist of individuals and beings from other realms that may be a threat to this world.â âPlease tell me Loki is on that list.â âHowâd you know?â Stephen looked at you in confusion. âI watch the news silly.â You tapped his forehead teasingly, âlet me settle my normal life first, then we can go tracking down Loki.â âI already have a
lead on him, his brother Thor, is here in New York. We could talk to him, and figure out-â You cut him off with a swift kiss on the lips, âlet me get settled first, then you can tell me all of your crazy plans. Okay?â Stephen smiled, âalright. You wonât leave me?â âNot for the world,â you promised. @panhoeofmanyfandoms @daydreamer-in-training @marine-captain-deku @turkisherlockian @calsjack
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MCU: Is Loki a serial betrayal or not?
So one of the things I see often discussed in the MCU is the long, long history of deceit and betrayal that goes on between Thor and Loki that got mentioned in âThor â Ragnarokâ.
As various MCU movies and comics get mentioned, I made a list of the sources referenced so youâll know if they might end up spoiling you. Consider yourself warned (or feel free to skip the list if it bores you).
SOURCES MENTIONED:
Movies: âThorâ (2011), âThe Avengersâ (2012), âThor â The Dark Worldâ (2013), âAvengers: Age of Ultronâ (2015), âThor â Ragnarkâ (2017), âThe Avengers â Infinity Warâ (2018), âThe Avengers â Endgameâ (2019), âWandaVisionâ (2021)
Comics: âThor: Son of Asgardâ (2004) âMarvel's The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Weekâ (2012)
Direct-to-video animated film: âThor - Tales of Asgardâ (2011)
Motion comics: None mentioned
Books: âThor: heroes and villainsâ (2011), âMarvel Studios The first 10 yearsâ (2018)
Novels: âMarvel Cinematic Universe Phase One: Thorâ by Alex Irvine (2015), âThor: The Dark World Junior Novelizationâ by Michael Siglain (2013), âLoki â Where mischief liesâ by Mackenzi Lee (2019), âThe pirate angel, the talking tree and captain rabbitâ by Steve Behling (2019)
Webs: None mentioned
Others: Interview âA Talk With THOR: RAGNAROKâs Eric Pearsonâ, interview âJoss Whedon told Comic-Con the question he doesnât want us to ask ever againâ, Interview âChris Hemsworth (Thor: The Dark World)â, Interview âTom Hiddleston Talks the Love-Hate of Loki and âThorââ, Interview âChris Hemsworth Talks Expanding Beyond Asgard, Interview âBuilding to THE AVENGERS 2, and More on the Set of THOR: THE DARK WORLDâ, Interview âChris Hemsworth âThor: Ragnarokâ, Embracing the Comedy, the Thor/Loki Relationship and Moreâ, Interview âAvengers 4 Endgame: Is Loki ALIVE? Chris Hemsworth gave a massive hint at London fan eventâ, Interview âAvengers stars reveal one big downside to the jobâ, âHow Taika Waititi Made Thor: Ragnarok So Damn Funnyâ, Interview âHow 'Thor: Ragnarok' Honors & Deviates from Its Comics Foundationâ, Interview âEmpire Podcast Spoiler Special: Thor: Ragnarok with Taika Waititiâ, interview âKevin Fiege Talks Iron Man 2, The Avengers and Moreâ
So now, letâs start with a quote from Eric Pearson, one of the guys responsible for the script of âThor - Ragnarokâ.
âThor and Loki have had so many interactions, and alliances, and betrayals. Theyâve been each othersâ nemesis for so long that even theyâre a little exhausted by themselves. Itâs almost like the fatigue of dealing with each other allows this terminator like force of Hela to just walk in. Theyâre divided so she conquers.â [A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROKâs Eric Pearson]
So, since math is an awesome thing and âMarvel Studios The first 10 yearsâ gave us an official timeline letâs do some math.
For start the official timeline.
965: Odin adopts Loki
2011: Thor
2012: The Avengers
2013: Thor: The Dark World
2015: Avengers: Age of Ultron
2017: Thor: Ragnarok, Avengers: Infinity War
2022: Avengers: Endgame (actually not mentioned in the timeline but it takes place 5 years after âAvengers: Infinity Warâ)
Loki is adopted in 965 so he and Thor are adopted brothers by 1052 years in âThor - Ragnarokâ.
So⊠âThorâ takes place in 2011 and overall covers three days and, in 2 of them, Thor and Loki are on opposing sides. At the end of âThorâ Loki is believed to be dead.
In 2012 Loki shows up again in âAvengersâ. Thor arrives on Earth by night and spend there what, a day? before going back to Asgard with Loki, who then spends a year in jail with Thor never visiting him before he is freed in âThor: The Dark Worldâ, which takes place in 2013.
Itâs worth to mention in âThor: The Dark Worldâ Thor and Loki are allied against Malekit before Loki is believed dead again and instead rules Asgard up until 2017, when âThor â Ragnarokâ takes place.
Anyway this means that in those 1052 years they spent together Loki and Thor had been on opposing sides for 6 years⊠during which only 1 year was spent with Thor knowing Loki was alive and only 4 days were spent with them actively fighting each other.
But maybe those days were days of intense betrayal⊠so letâs sum them up.
For start letâs remember everyone that betrayal is a deliberate break of trust, of faith.
âThorâ is the one which contain most betrayal, even though some things werenât meant to be as such at the time in which it was filmed but whatever, letâs be strict.
- Loki ruined Thorâs coronation
- Loki had Odin warned they were going to Jotunheim so that Odin came saving their lives
- Loki lied about Odin being dead and Frigga not wanting Thor back.
- After making clear he was Thorâs enemy (I mean he sent the Destroyer to âEnsure his brother does not returnâ, could he have been more explicit?) he tricked him into helping him making him believe he was dangling on the edge of the Bifrost and needed his help.
Okay, thatâs a total of 4, one of which done to save everyoneâs live (and it saved everyoneâs life but, as I said, Iâll be strict and still count 4).
âThe Avengersâ despite painting Loki as the villain, has no betrayal. Loki doesnât make any attempt to paint himself as Thorâs friend, he doesnât even call Thor âbrotherâ, he makes clear he wants Earthâs crown and he has made clear in âThorâ he wouldnât hesitate to kill him. Yes, he lies to him about sending the Tesseract away, uses an illusion to trick Thor into ending up in the cage and drop the cage on the ground and stabs Thor on surprise as theyâre fighting. He however never let Thor believe theyâre on the same side, Iâll say with dropping the cage he remarked how he wasnât on Thorâs side since he wondered if the fall could kill Thor. If Thor didnât want to get the message, this was not Loki betraying him, this was Thor refusing to listen. As for Loki surviving to a fall into the void and not warning Thor about it, thatâs not betrayal either. When Loki let himself fall in the void it was a suicide attempt. His survival is a plot hole for whom Whedon didnât really bother making up an explanation.
âWell, I canât tell you exactly what went on because itâs this dark, dark secret that I didnât make up yet. But, the other day, I had trouble with that because he had this very passionate Shakespearean tragedy thing going on in Thor and then I needed a villain whoâs not only capable, but ready and willing and anxious to take on all these heroes. For me, he just basically went on some horrible walkabout⊠That was pretty much as far as I got.â [Joss Whedon told Comic-Con the question he doesnât want us to ask ever again ]
âAvengers: Infinity Warâ suggested Thanos resurrected him, how is up to speculation. I wonder if it has to do with the mind stone, which somehow resurrected his mind in a way similar to how Wanda resurrected Vision. But Iâm not sure Marvel really tried to figure this out beyond âit just happenedâ. Anyway Loki didnât plan to fake his death, his survival/resurrection was accidental and he didnât own to his family to send them a note saying âIâm aliveâ.
So weâve a total of 0.
âThor: The Dark Worldâ has merely the fact that Loki again didnât die when he was supposed to. Mind you, he was supposed to die (or if he were to survive this was meant to be a secret as the movieâs ending was meant to be very different), but then they decided to keep him alive and on the throne of Asgard for âThor: Ragnarokâ. So, he clearly was stabbed and let Thor believe the wound was fatal, then went back to Asgard, took Odinâs place, offered Thor the throne and when the latter refused, took it for himself. We canât count the fact he told Kurse âYou might want to take the stairs to the leftâ as betrayal because, again, being jailed, heâs clearly not on Thorâs same side nor trusted. Betrayal is a break of trust from someone you believed on your side. An enemy doesnât betray you, a friend does, and Thor stated he doesnât view anymore Loki as his brother. We also know the action was a miscalculation on his part, he thought Kurse was merely a Marauder, a pirate, not a Dark Elf part of a Dark Elvesâ invasion, and he didnât think it would end up causing Friggaâs death, just some troubles for his father and brother who cast him in that cell and, according to the novelization, he was meant to end up regretting it short after doing it.
âThe east stairs lead to the barraks. Youâll find them mostly unguarded.â Loki said and Kurse nodded, then continued on, glad for the inside information. Loki wanted revenge against Thor and Odin â he just hoped that he wasnât getting more than he hoped for. [âThor: The Dark World Junior Novelizationâ]
More explosions occurred aboveground and Loki glanced upward. âDonât you think you ought to look into that?â he said. Thor scowled at his brother, then strode off toward the stairs. Loki watched his brother leave, a hint of guilt in his eyes. What had he done? [âThor: The Dark World Junior Novelizationâ]
So okay, if we count the fact he let Thor believe him he died, and that he was Odin, weâve a total of 2.
Which leads us to the amazing number of 6.
Now okay, betraying 1 time is 1 time too much but this is not a pattern that pervaded his whole life, this is 2 days in which Loki was not in his right mind due to pain (âThorâ) and a day in which he wanted to avoid being jailed for life as Thor has promised him he would be once they were to get back (âThor: The Dark Worldâ).
But, but, but, didnât Loki betrayed and attempted to murder Thor PRIOR to âThorâ? And why arenât I considering âThor: Ragnarokâ at all?
I mean, in addition to Loki betraying Thor for money, thereâs this bit in âThor: Ragnarokâ:
Banner: Okay, can I just... A quick FYI, I was just talking to him just a couple minutes ago and he was totally ready to kill any of us.
Valkyrie: He did try to kill me.
Thor: Yes, me too. On many, many occasions. There was one time when we were children, he transformed himself into a snake, and he knows that I love snakes. So, I went to pick up the snake to admire it and he transformed back into himself and he was like, "Yeah, it's me!" And he stabbed me. We were eight at the time. [âThor â Ragnarokâ]
But the problem is to quote Wanda inâWandaVisionâ when her âbrotherâ talks about their shared childhood, this sort of relationship, well, âThatâs not exactly how I remember it.â From the previous movies, interviews, books, novels and extra material, I mean.
But letâs start with order.
So âThor: Ragnarokâ.
Remember Eric Pearson, the guy whose quote I used to start all this?
For start this guy never worked on a script with Thor and Loki previously.
The most he did was to be involved in the âMarvel's The Avengers Prelude: Fury's Big Weekâ in which Thor and Loki have some cameo appearances.
So letâs hear what he has to say about Thor and Lokiâs relation.
âFor introductions, working on Thorâs voice was really great just because Hemsworth is great with the script. He actually pulled me aside one morning to talk to me about the Thor and Loki scenes. He pointed out, correctly so, that what I had was retreading a bit of what had already happened in Thor, Thor: The Dark World and The Avengers. We needed to have their relationship exhibit the amount of awareness that it should have after the audience spent so much time with them on screen. So, the Thor and Loki stuff is also some of my favorite.â [A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROKâs Eric Pearson]
So Hemsworth informed his opinion and which opinion has Chris Hemsworth of the whole matter?
Well, his opinion on Thorâs relationship with Loki evolved as time went by⊠but FIRST letâs focus on how he believed it was their relationship during or prior the âThorâ movie.
âIn the very first film Loki and Thor as brothers had a friendship where there was less hatred involved.â [Chris Hemsworth (Thor: The Dark World)]
Itâs not terribly explicative but letâs say that they were more or less friends? So his brother wasnât trying to murder him from childhood? He wasnât betraying him from childhood?
According to Thom Hiddleston definitely not.
âI think Loki grows up with an older brother who he loves and respects. They play, they banter and they bash each other about, but there is a latent jealousy. Craig Kyle â one of our producers â always used to talk about the analogy of the quarterback and the artist. Thor is the quarterback. Heâs a chip off the old block and heâs just like his dad. Lokiâs problem is, maybe not his problem, but [that] heâs more drawn to the powers of intellect, magic, and the dark arts. Heâs not going to be out in the fields throwing a hammer around. Thatâs just not where his passion lies. Thereâs a disconnect with Odin and thereâs a disconnect with Thor. He loves them very much, but heâs not just made of the same stalk. In the course of the film thereâs a big reveal both for Loki and the audience about the truth of Lokiâs true lineage and who his real parents are. I think that begets any jealous that was within him towards Thor develops into a dark, cancerous rage that then becomes a destructive rage.â [âTom Hiddleston Talks the Love-Hate of Loki and âThorââ]
And the ruining of the coronation? As the movie itself said it was done because he didnât believe his brother was ready to rule⊠but letâs also read this bit always from Tom Hiddleston.
âHeâs certainly not an anarchist who wants to burn the house down. I think he has an inner conviction. He loves a practical joke, he loves mischief and he loves playing around. He loves starting a bonfire in the next room and hearing people scream, but nobody would be killed.â [âTom Hiddleston Talks the Love-Hate of Loki and âThorââ]
In short it wasnât meant to cause any serious harm... same as warning his father was meant to save them. Of the 4 times in âThorâ in which Loki betrays Thor, 2 are not done with evil intentions in mind.
But maybe itâs just Tom Hiddleston?
Nope, weâve the booklet âThor: heroes and villainsâ agree with this.
âLoki is often the voice of reason to Thorâs impulsiveness and is usually relied on to talk his older brother out of sticky situation.â [âThor: heroes and villainsâ]
âAs Odinâs younger son, Loki has always known the throne of Asgard will never belong to him. He has, however, tried his best to be a good brother to Thor and a son Odin could be proud of.â [âThor: heroes and villainsâ]
Then weâve this in the âThorâ movie:
Sif: He may speak of the good of Asgard, but he's always been jealous of Thor.
Volstagg: We should be grateful to him, he saved our lives.
Hogun: Laufey said there were traitors in the House of Odin. A master of magic could bring three Jotuns into Asgard.
Fandral: Loki's always been one for mischief, but you're talking about something else entirely. [âThorâ]
The group suspects Loki wants to hand Asgard to the Jotuns, but up till the end of the movie Loki will have Asgardâs best interests in mind. His way to pursue them though, by destroying the Jotuns, is beyond ruthless but itâs not traitorous toward Asgard.
Also theyâve nothing against him beyond the fact he was jealous of Thor. They mention no stabbing episode, no murdering attempt no previous betrayal. Loki was jealous and they fear this had caused him to do something extreme. NOW. Theyâve nothing they can use against him from the past, their suspects are based on Lokiâs jealousy, the fact heâs a wizard and Laufeyâs words.
Even the âThorâ novelization, which discusses their relation, doesnât mention murder attempts prior to the Destroyer thing.
From Thorâs point of view:
âHis younger brother has always been something of a mystery to him. While Thor had been eager to spread his wings, fight in battles, and go off on grand adventures, Loki had always been more hesitant. True, he had Thorâs back, but it was often only out of necessity.â [âMarvel Cinematic Universe Phase One: Thorâ]
From Lokiâs point of view:
âWhy did he always seem to get into trouble because of his older brother? Wasnât he supposed to be the wiser one? Odin has expressly forbidden that they enter Jotunheim. Yet it wasnât the first time Thor had done something reckless. And it wouldnât be the first time Loki was powerless to stop him.â [âMarvel Cinematic Universe Phase One: Thorâ]
Loki had Thorâs back, albeit he wasnât happy about it, Thor is the one who causes troubles, everyone knows and in the novel Loki is regularly sent by Sif and the Warriors Three to calm Thor down and make him think.
Long story short Thor and Loki seemed to be originally planned to have a relationship similar to the one they had in âThor - Tales of Asgardâ direct-to-video animated superhero film which came out in the same year as âThorâ.
So, why somehow in âThor: Ragnarokâ it morphed into the one they have in the comics âThor: Son of Asgardâ (2004) if not worse?
Well, somehow Hemsworthâs feelings shifted along the way between âThor: The Dark Worldâ and âThor: Ragnarokâ. He was aware of how Loki and Thorâs relationship was portrayed in the comics and this bits fits with how in âThor: Ragnarokâ he just wants to tell Loki he didnât care anymore.
I mean I canât say too much but I think in the comic books, you kind of roll your eyes sometimes at the amount of times that theyâre back to being best friends so we wanted to keep in mind that he did just try to kill you for the seventh time, and Earth and millions of people and what have you, so⊠[Chris Hemsworth Talks Expanding Beyond Asgard, Building to THE AVENGERS 2, and More on the Set of THOR: THE DARK WORLD]
Without giving too much away, I didn't want to repeat that relationship either. And Tom felt the same. All of us were like, âWhat can we do again here?â Thereâs a bit of reversal as far as... In the first films, a lot of the time youâre seeing Thor going, 'Come back Loki, and da-da-da-da.' [But now] thereâs a feeling from Thor thatâs just like, 'You know what, kid? Do what you want. Youâre a screw up. So whatever. Do your thing.' [Chris Hemsworth âThor: Ragnarokâ, Embracing the Comedy, the Thor/Loki Relationship and More]
"Ahhh, he's like the girlfriend you break up with and they don't get the message. Like, 'You're dead, sorry, it's over,' and they're coming round to hang the new drapes. "The most poignant moments (of Thor's movies) have been with Loki." [Avengers 4 Endgame: Is Loki ALIVE? Chris Hemsworth gave a massive hint at London fan event]
Until we get to âAvengers: Infinity Warâ in which he makes clear he believes Loki fooled him time and time again so that he doesnât want him backâŠ
While the cast share an obvious camaraderie, a void remains after Tom Hiddlestonâs Loki died in Infinity War. Would Hemsworth bring back his troublesome onscreen brother if he could? âNo. Why would I do that?â he answers, blankly. âHe fooled me time and time again. But on the personal side, I was with Tom since the beginning of this journey and I learned a lot from him.â Hemsworth pauses. âIf youâre asking if Thor would bring him back, I think if he could have done he would have. But for me, I donât know.â [Avengers stars reveal one big downside to the job]
âŠeven if Thor would have (and of course he would have if weâve to believe Thorâs tears in âAvengers: Infinity Warâ and his depression in âAvengers: Endgameâ are due to Lokiâs death and itâs not merely due to how âfunâ it is to have a depressed Thor who ends up neglecting his health by drinking too much and getting fat⊠because being a source of amusement isnât really a reason why you should introduce a depressed character in a story).
So yes, maybe Pearson didnât go to the right source of info for Thor and Lokiâs relationship.
However, credits when itâs due, the scene about Loki wanting to kill Thor from childhood is not so much due to Pearson or Hemsworth but due to Waititi.
Hewitt: You know, thereâs another moment I love, when they have the little huddle about Loki, and he tells the story about how Loki turned into a snake.
Waititi: Yeah, yeah.
Hewitt: And that felt improvâd.
Waititi: Yeah, there was basically- what we did about six different versions of that story, and that was just us standing around, while the cameras are rolling, while I would just feed them lines, and feed Chris ideas for some stories. I was, âOh, do one, this one, um, say, âI was walking through a field, and I saw a lovely Turkish rug in the middle of the grass, and I love Turkish rugs, so I went to stand on it, and it was Loki, and he turned back into Loki, and it was a hole, and I fell through the hole, and was impaled in the hole, full of spikesâ.â
Hewitt: *laughs*
Waititi: As I did all versions of that and I just kept going with- Yeah, the one with the snake just turned out to be the one we used. [Taika Waititi On Screenwriting: An Empire 30th Anniversary Special]
And so how did Waititi envisioned the Thor-Loki dynamics? This is how Waititi describes Thorâs live:
âTo be perfectly honest, heâs a rich kid who lives in a castle in outer space. I donât know any of those people, but I do know people who come from dysfunctional families. He barely talks to his parents â well, his momâs dead now â his brother is trying to kill him his entire life, and heâs supposed to be king, and he doesnât want to be a king. A lot of it is also this father-son relationship stuff of him trying to prove himself, or trying to find his own identity, and I really relate to that. My dad was a very big personality in New Zealand and in our area, and Iâve always been trying to do my own thing to separate from him, while at the same time trying to impress him. Which is the story of pretty much all guys, and probably most girls, who are choosing a parent to impress. That was my way in with him.â [âHow Taika Waititi Made Thor: Ragnarok So Damn Funnyâ]
Why Waititi came up with such an idea for their dynamics is up to everyoneâs speculation because in itself itâs not important if he actually got told about it by Hemsworth, Pearson or by Brad Winderbaum, who admitted taking inspiration from the comics for âThor â RagnarokââŠ
âI'll tell you the three things we looked at the most. We're pulling a lot stylistically from Kirby [but] we're also looking at the Walt Simonson Ragnarok arc [and]⊠God of Thunder, the Jason Aaron book.â [How 'Thor: Ragnarok' Honors & Deviates from Its Comics Foundation]
⊠if this is the result of that 1 short comic he readâŠ
âThatâs a thing about me, guys, I did not do my research.â ⊠âI read one issue of Thor as my research. Not even a graphic novel, it was one of the thin-thin ones.â ⊠âAnd by the end of it, âHm, well, weâre not doing thatâ. [Empire Podcast Spoiler Special: Thor: Ragnarok with Taika Waititi]
Waititi wanted to do his own story, not a continuation of the previous movies.
âI was lucky enough they didnât force me to acknowledge things- there were certain things in the film, like the play, which makes fun of the scene in The Dark World where Loki dies, but thereâs a point to that play, sort of to recap what happened, but also to tell the audience, âThis is not what you think itâs going to be, this film is not going to be a continuation of that. Itâs its own thing, and what you think you expect from this film ends at this play.ââ [Empire Podcast Spoiler Special: Thor: Ragnarok with Taika Waititi]
This is not the point where I discuss what I think of this idea of stepping all over the previous movies to create a ânew Thorâ that the Russo brothers proceeded to dismantle in the next movie.
In 2010 Feige was already on board with the idea âthe movie comes firstâ and the âconnective tissueâ is fun and very important if you want it to be.
âIt's never been done before and that's kind of the spirit everybody's taking it in. The other filmmakers aren't used to getting actors from other movies that other filmmakers have cast, certain plot lines that are connected or certain locations that are connected but I think for the most part, in fact, entirely everyone was on board for it and thinks that its fun. Primarily because we've always remained consistent saying that the movie that we are making comes first. All of the connective tissue, all of that stuff is fun and is going to be very important if you want it to be. If the fans want to look further and find connections than they're there. There are a few big ones obviously, that hopefully the mainstream audience will able to follow as well. But the most important thing and I think the reason that all the filmmakers are on board is that their movies need to stand on their own. They need to have a fresh vision, a unique tone and the fact that they can interconnect if you want to follow those breadcrumbs is a bonus.â [Kevin Fiege Talks Iron Man 2, The Avengers and More]
âThor â Ragnarokâ merely took it to an extreme, retconning a lot from the original to the point some feel âThor â Ragnarokâ is a parallel universe compared to the previous 4 movies, with its own canon.
So when they needed a joke they didnât bother checking the previous canon, they just needed a joke and so they added that scene, and it somehow got so popular it got referenced in two novels, sorta, even if in both gets âadaptedâ.
Once he was in the room, the servant girl would likely go unnoticed enough to eavesdrop â certainly less noticed than a snake, which had been his initial plan, and which was easier to imitate than an Asgardian. But snakes tended to gather attention â Thor would pick up any serpent to admire it. [âLoki- Where mischief liesâ]
In âLoki â Where mischief liesâ by Mackenzi Lee the stabbing isnât included, the book only keep Thorâs fascination for snakes and his habit to pick them up⊠but the scene couldnât have happened when they were children as Loki is a teen in the book and has learnt only recently to use shapeshifting magic.
In âThe pirate angel, the talking tree and captain rabbitâ by Steve Behling the scene is partially retconned as well.
Where in the movie is played as a clear murder attempt in the book weâve the same story but in a different contest.
âHey, what did I tell you about insulting our guest?â Rocket scolded, shaking his head. âIf anyoneâs gonna do any insulting around here, itâs gonna be me.â
Groot looked at Rocket, and enacted an impressive-albeit obnoxious-imitation of the same sneet that Rocket used on Thor just few second earlier.
âI am-â
âDonât finish that sentence,â Rocket warned.
âGr-â
âI mean it! You wanna have tablet privileges revocked for a week, you go right ahead and finish that though.â
If Groot had pockets, he would have showed his limbs stubbornly into them, turned around grumbling, and walked away. As it was, he didnât, so after a momentâs stare-off with Rocket he simply muttered, âI am Groot,â then ambled away.
âHeâs in an awkward phase,â Rocket said to Thor by way of explanation, turning his attention to the master control panel.
âAdolescence is never easy,â Thor said looking over Rocketâs shoulder. âI remember when Loki and I were children. Loki transformed himself into a snake, and because I really, really love snake, I went to pick it up. But the moment I did, the snake transformed back into Loki, and then he stabbed me.â
It was at least ten second before Rocket spoke. And when he finally did, he sighed and said, âWhy do I have the feeling you tell this story a lot? Like, A LOT.â
Thor smiled wanly. âMaybe a few times,â he acknowledged.
âI bet this Loki gets a big kick out of it every time you tell it,â Rocket said, chuckling.
The thin smile on Thorâs face quickly fell.
âNot anymore,â were the only words Thor could manage before he turned away. [âThe pirate angel, the talking tree and captain rabbitâ]
While in âThor: Ragnarokâ this story seems to be a proof Loki is an homicidal maniac because itâs compared to him wanting to kill Banner and Valkyrie and therefore, despite the idea this is a joke, make the whole matter a serious business, here Lokiâs actions are compared to the ones of a teenager tree wanting to insult someone else and being told not to. It seems one of those stupid things little kids do in anger, or thinking itâs just a game, without really understanding the consequences they could have (=killing someone). Thor seems to almost brag about it, as if it was a funny childhood tale about the idiotic things they did as kids, not a cautious tale against his brother and the risks of trusting him.
Itâs still a story thatâs clearly out of character for how Loki was meant to be PRIOR to âThorâ, but at least now itâs better inserted in the contest and can fit vaguely more with the previous canon.
But whatever, thatâs it.
So, in a way, weâve two universes, one is the Pre-Ragnarok one, in which Loki prior to Thor loved his brother and had a good relation with him, and the other is the Ragnarok one, in which Loki wanted him dead from childhood.
Both exist.
Itâs something a part of the fandom is well aware of, but also something another part of the fandom is ABSOLUTELY unaware of.
Iâm not going to tell you which universe youâve to favour, if the one in which Loki loved Thor or the one in which he wanted him dead, thatâs up to your personal preference.
But if youâre among the many whoâre still confused about why the fandom has split opinions about the relationship between the brothers⊠well, thatâs a summary of the history behind it all.
Honestly, with the incoming âThor â Love and Thunderâ and âLokiâ series, Iâve no idea what will be the future of it all. Waititi will probably want to go back to his âThor â Ragnarokâ continuity⊠unless he wants to reinvent Thor all over again so weâll get another additional universe for Strange to enjoy in his upcoming âDoctor Strange in the multiverse of madnessâ⊠in addition to the universes created in âAvengers â Endgameâ when the characters changed the past and the ones Loki will be creating in âLokiâ.
Sorry, Doctor Strange, I guess youâll have your hands full.
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SnK Episode 61 Poll Results (for Manga Readers)
The poll closed with 359 responses. Thank you to everyone who participated!
Please note that these are the results for the Manga Readersâ poll. If you wish to see the results for the Anime Only Watchersâ poll, click here.Â
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RATE THE EPISODE 347 Responses
While this episode wasnât as big of a hit as episode 60, overall most viewers still enjoyed the content and are looking forward to more next week!
amazing amazing! I'm so delighted with this season so far!
Im so beyond pumped i love everything
Dissapointing but acceptable.
Iâm like angry I loved it so much.
I just wish we didn't have to wait a week
It was amazing. We all gotta apologize to MAPPA for ever doubting them.
It's a huge stepdown from episode 1. At times the animation was straight up painful to watch. My expectations were low and yet I'm still disappointed :/
WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING WAS YOUR FAVORITE SCENE/MOMENT? 349 Responses
Reiner-centric scenes were the highest on peopleâs radar, with 24.9% of respondents enjoying his reunion with the warrior cadets, and not far behind, 22.9% enjoyed Reiner bringing up the 104th at the dinner table. In third, with only 13.5%, was Pieck and Porcoâs formal introduction to the audience.Â
Hearing Zeke greet his grandparents with such happiness warmed my heart. I do believe that he loves them.Â
They just had to add one last image of Ymir's broken face before she died, huh? :(
WE FORGOT TO ASK LAST WEEK D: WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING SCENES/MOMENTS FROM EPISODE 60 WAS YOUR FAVORITE? 348 Responses
Last week we forgot to include what your favorite scenes were. The scene from episode 60 that got the most favor was Reinerâs, âIâm sick and tired⊠of wallsâ with 33.6% of the vote. 16.7% most enjoyed Zekeâs titan transforming scream. 14.9% were hyped about Reiner and Porco wrecking Fort Slava.
MAPPA WENT ALL OUT WITH THE CINEMATOGRAPHY IN THIS EPISODE. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF THE CINEMATIC PANS AND ROTOSCOPE ANIMATION? 349 Responses
Overall, a total of 74.5% respondents have positive feelings about MAPPAâs use of rotoscope animation and camera panning. Some felt like it was akin to watching a movie, while others are just happy to have the dynamic movement. A smaller amount of respondents didnât have feelings one way or another, and a minority (about 10.3%) really are not a fan of this type of animation style for the series.
It felt odd sometimes as they used it for long scenes (like Udo talking or Gabi telling the story to her family) but overall it was pretty great and I prefer it to WIT's stale animation during season 3
I liked the more dynamic movement during dialogue, but my roommate found it super awkward and off-model. So a fifty-fifty split in a sample size of two lol
It could have been animated better, but I like the extra dimension it gives to scenes
Enjoyed it a lot! However, there were a few scenes that felt a bit off, like some frames were missing. Specifically, when Udo was doing all those gestures while talking with the rest of the Warrior Candidates.
It felt dynamic to the point of looking unnatural - some gestures and expressions just moved wrong
i'm split, in some scenes it was great (like reiner waking up), but in the dialogue scenes the constant movement seemed kinda unnatural and distracting
It was amazing but at the same time I'd didn't look fluid enough, especially at Udo's mouvements which made the character look kind of...video game-ish in constant moving.Â
I thought it looked great the rotoscoping,the movements all looked amazing
The animation during Urduâs scene is so cool! I was caught of guard at first though lol. Itâs so realistic!
NOW THAT WEâVE GOTTEN TO HEAR A LITTLE MORE OF THE NEW OST TRACKS, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SOUNDTRACK SO FAR THIS SEASON? 344 Responses
So far, reception to the newer music is overall positive. 31.1% are really enjoying the music and think the songs are being used immaculately, and 40.4% really feel that the song choice compliments the scenes theyâve been used in. 13.1% think the songs are good, but miss having that sole Sawano feel to them. 10.8% just feel the music is âokâ and 2.6% arenât a fan of the new OST tracks so far.Â
I mean it sounds good, but we haven't gotten to important moments that require a memorable track, so we'll see!
First episode slapped because it really complemented the scene but it's more... generic. I didn't like how it was used in this episode, there wasn't enough of it and again, generic. I miss Sawano's unreal scores.
the animation absolutely blew me away, and i love the intense music that played during Reiners monologueÂ
The music is fine.
I've heard both new and old songs from the previous seasons. Still too soon to make an opinion as we need to hear more.
I am deaf, I can't hear no damn soundtracksÂ
That music guys when they came back to Liberio and reuniting with they parents, made me tear up but also because the scouts never had the chance to go back home with victory in the arms of their family, I wish I could have seen EMA like this.. It kinda felt unfair X) but I was happy for them nevertheless.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CLOSEUP OF ZEKEâS MOUTH? 346 Responses
Our first of probably too many crack questions in this poll, 32.7% thought the closeup of Zeke lighting his cigarette was cool looking. 21.4% are concerned about Zekeâs lung health. 19.1% are probably annoyed with us and simply donât care (lol). 13.3% wouldnât mind smooching Zeke, and 11% were just plain grossed out.
Does smoke even affect a titan shifter? Surely his lungs just heal themselves
ASMR for the eyes, right there. Aww yiss
It was awesome! Zeke is shown as relaxed person with a big drop of mystery.Â
Smoking Bad but he is gonna die in a year anyway
Suuuuuuucc
It might've just been an artistic choice to include it in there, but i gotta say I'm oddly fascinated and idk why
I donât remember it lol
I didn't even notice.
Zeke looks hotter than he has ever looked
WHATâS YOUR OPINION ABOUT ELDIAN ASSES? 341 Responses
Most of the responses seemed to feel rather positively about Eldian asses, with almost 40% seeking out Zekeâs ass wiping technique. About 17% simply stated their appreciation for them, while almost 13% are just thirsty. In contrast, a little over 17% seemed confused to the questionâs inclusion and about 10% were confused outright.Â
MAPPA WHERE IS PIECK'S ASS
More into Eldian thighs, really
I bet Leviâs is nice
If only Eren had one
zeke has the energy of a straight man who doesn't wash his ass
Only Shadis' ass
GIVE IT TO ME đđ
They are like normal, human asses. Do not turn them into some magical, special snowflakes, just because they belong to Eldians.Â
Seek help
Enough
DO YOU WANT REINER TO GIVE YOU A HEAD PAT? 343 Responses
A definitive majority, almost 59 percent, openly expressed enthusiasm for the prospect of a head pat from Reiner. However, a near 30% fraction of responders didnât seem too happy about this recent chain of less than serious questions. Weâre sorry about that. đ
. The rest either didnât seem interested in said prospect or noted they wouldnât care either way.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE DECISION FROM MAPPA TO CONDENSE REINERâS FLASHBACK INTO (PRESUMABLY) A SINGLE EPISODE? 346 Responses
It would appear that the majority of those who took our poll express cautious optimism at the prospect of seeing all (or the vast majority) of Reinerâs backstory being adapted into a single episode, with a near 47% supporting the move, thinking it could make the narrative âmore coherentâ. Almost 20% argue it would work better pacing wise. On the flipside, just over 17% state that they would rather have a more accurate adaptation to the manga. 11.6% simply say they have no opinion. There were also more than a few write-ins.
I do wish everything could be animated to full detail, but pacing and structure will benefit here
They've done a good job so far, so I'll reserve judgement until I actually watch it.
It will be difficult as they're chapters with loads of dialogue, but they can pull it off if unnecessary stuff gets cut out or changed in some type of way (like watching Marcel's death for the sixth time, them breaking through the wall or even Jean and Eren fighting)Â
If they get the pacing right, then the rearrangement will be for the better.
Reiner flashbacks + Reiner suicide attempt + Falco meeting "Kruger" (more than 2,5 chapters) in a single episode? HELL NO! WTF MAPPA! Â
Worried and cautiously optimistic.
At least it looks like they're going to stick to just one episode for the RBA flashback. It was mostly just filler anyway, so there was never any need to stretch it out and waste precious time getting back to the Paradis side of the story
I doubt that that's exactly how it is, but if so, then I don't think that that's a wise idea
Itâs gonna be rushed as hell
Reiner flashback is very long and there is tons of dialogue, so I dont know how its going fit in only one episode, but if they can make it work then its fine for me
WHICH CHARACTER DESIGN DID YOU LIKE BEST IN COMPARISON TO THE MANGA? 346 Responses
This question gave us a somewhat evenly split pie chart, but Porco nonetheless managed to gain the bigger piece with just over 55%. Surely due to that bomber jacket and haircut. Nearly 45% picked Pieck (gottem) instead. Must have been the somewhat inconsistent nose.Â
WHOâS SEIYUU DID YOU LIKE BEST? 335 Responses
On the flip side, 68.4% seemed to prefer Pieckâs soft voice. Porco with his (how the hell does Porco sound like⊠how can you describe his voice) managed to win the hearts of 31.6% of responses.
Pieck voice wtf? I imagined Pieck with a more Hanji-ish voice, not this sweet and high pitched.
DID MAPPA DO PIECKâS NOSE JUSTICE? 345 Responses
The debacle over Pieckâs POWERFUL nose gave us quite a colorful pie chart. Almost 39% of responses noted that Mappa was on point with Pieckâs nose for most of the episode. Afterwards, 26.7% stated that they thought that Mappa got it right only in some points of the episode. On the flip side, another 26.7% thought that Mappa was generally quite on point throughout the entire episode. A small minority (7.8%) thought that Mappa simply did a poor job.Â
The animation is good, and while I don't want to complain, I have a small problem with the drawings themselves. I feel like they lack precision (like Pieck's nose, idk if that's clear).
I'm grateful for Pieck's nose. I always respected Isayama for drawing imperfect characters, because this way he has made them to look more realistic. Even though Pieck has so-called imperfect nose, she is still absolutely gorgeous. Her imperfections are part of what makes her beautiful and unique.
PORCOâS HAIR - WERE YOU TEAM RED HAIR OR BLOND HAIR? AND ARE YOU HAPPY WITH HIS ANIME COLOR SCHEME? 345 Responses
A far less controversial debacle concerned Porcoâs hair scheme. The folks supporting a Blond color scheme were universally content with his hair color (all 57.4% of team Blond). On the flip side, an almost universal approval was also present from team Redhead (13.6% of those supported his blond hair color). 27.5% of the responses seemed to care not about this issue at all, however.
NOW THAT WE KNOW PORCO BETTER IN THE MANGA, DO YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE *ACTUALLY* DONE A BETTER JOB THAN REINER IF HE HAD INHERITED THE ARMOR AND WENT TO PARADIS? 348 Responses
Porco inheriting the Armored Titan is a rather interesting what-if scenario. Perhaps of the most interesting as a whole, so itâs no surprise to see a rather divided opinion of those who took our poll. A little over 36% believe that Porco doing a better job than Reiner on Paradis is a definite possibility. Just over 24% believe itâs not likely Porco would have done better than Reiner. On the flip side, 21.6% think that is is likely Porco *would* have a more successful conduct on the island. 9.2% believe that Porcoâs success is a given and in opposition to that, 8.9% think that Porcoâs success would have been basically impossible.
HOW ABOUT IF PIECK HAD GONE TO PARADIS WITH THE WARRIORS? 346 Responses
Much less division here, however. 70.5% of responders believe that Pieckâs possible trip to Paradis (in the initial attack) would have not have resulted in a given âmission successâ for the Warriors, although she would have been a rather useful ally. Nearly a quarter, on the other hand, think that Pieckâs inclusion would have ended the story right then and there. The rather small minority of the other responders think that Pieck would not have been useful had she participated in the mission.
GABI HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONTROVERSIAL CHARACTER. HAS MAPPA BRINGING HER TO LIFE CHANGED YOUR FEELINGS TOWARD HER? 342 Responses
64.6% of respondents overall have positive feelings toward Gabi as of right now, with 39.5% having already been enjoying her character throughout the manga. 25.1% now view her more positively with her being brought to life. 20.2% donât really care about Gabi either way, and 11.7% feel very negatively toward Gabi, without the anime swaying their opinions.Â
Gabi still sucks
Sakura ayane as gabi is probably the best thing to happen to me all year
WITH SUCH A DIALOGUE-HEAVY ARC, CUTS WERE INEVITABLE. WHICH CUTS WERE YOU DISAPPOINTED IN, AND WHICH CUTS CAN YOU LIVE WITH?
Overwhelmingly, the scenes that were most missed by manga readers were âPieck walking on all fours/scaring Porcoâ, âZeke mentioning the Ackerman Clanâ, âReinerâs smirk when his family talks about âIsland Devilsââ, and âThe imagery of Eren and Armin wrecking shipsâ. Smaller character details, such as Reiner mentioning how he acted like Marcel on Paradis, Gabi wishing to understand Reinerâs feelings, Falco pointing out how Reiner almost had the Armor taken from him, were also very missed by manga readers, although just less so.Â
General Calvi talking about Zekeâs loyalty, Gabi getting praise from her parents when they reunite, and Magath trashing the Marleyan navy, were moments that many respondents didnât feel strongly about one way or another, or felt that these were details that werenât really needed anyway.Â
Cutting the scene where Falcon talks about why Reiner kept the AT was really bad. Also the table scene could have been better. Some imagery when Reiner was describing the 104th and his smirk.
The cuts the anime has done made the spectators less informed about some story background stuff. This is in order to direct attention to the marley's eldians planning how to overcome the world's disparagement towards the power of the titans.Â
I'm sad they cut the gate guards. They humanize the marleyans a bit. Hope they add their scenes next episode and do them justice.
I hope we will get the Gabi/Reiner talk about understanding each other through PATHS when she eats him next episode
Gimme crawling best giiiirl
MAPPA cut Pieck's ass so this episode wouldn't be so ass centered with Zeke's ass wiping technique. This is my theory lol
Great episode but U was so looking forward to the Reiner scene talking about Paradis âdevilsâ. In the mange it was a powerful scene really adding to the duality of Reiner and the pain he has, and the animation did not do it justice. Plus some parts of his speech were probably hard to understand for a non mange reader without the flashback. (Like which one is referring to Jean for example). I really wish it had been better delivered
IS THERE ANY CHANCE WEâLL SEE SOME OF THESE CUTS ANIMATED IN A LATER EPISODE? 342 Responses
them into different scenes. Overall, the majority answered a big, fat, âmaybe.â 15.8% are confident that whatâs done has been done, and 12.6% are more optimistic that MAPPA will find a way.
Overall I was a bit disappointed. I feel like the amount of material cut from every conversation included really added up overall and gave it a very rushed feel to me. I really hope they add it all in later.
ON THE FLIP-SIDE, WHICH ADDITIONS/CHANGES DID YOU LIKE/DISLIKE?
The changes and additions that MAPPA made were overall viewed very favorably, with the scene of Porco and Pieck interacting with the warrior cadets being the most liked addition. This is followed closely by the overall character movement during dialogue scenes, the small detail about Pieckâs father being unwell, and Gabi shouting âWatashi!â on the train.
I loved the additional details made it very emotional
IT WAS A GREAT TIME TO BE GALLIPIECK TRASH
Sneakier Eren's a nice addition too
Porco my boiii I'm so happy he's here đđđđ if mappa is adding some extra scenes then gimme more of gallirei đ
WHICH SCENE FROM THE PREVIEW ARE YOU MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO? 338 Responses
Unsurprisingly, 42% of respondents are hyped about Kennyâs brief return and Annieâs unlikely encounter with him in the Underground. 22.2% are eager to get that sweet Reiner angst as he is rejected by his Marleyan father. 17.8% are looking forward to Reinerâs training days.
ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THE EPISODE?
great! it was inevitable they would cut stuff but it hasn't changed any major plot point or thing i would want to see desperatelyÂ
It was just really great to see the scenes animated, it adds another level of depth and understanding to the story I believe.Â
Loved anime-onlies missing Eren completely. Some even thought it was him but then noticed the leg and thought against it
I think it was very well done. Just need a little getting used to with MAPPA on the reins now. I think MAPPA added some scenes to show how those Eldians over there are still just human after all and they have their own problems to deal with. 8/10 episode.
I feel like they took a lot of emotion way from reiner. made him seemed stoic and determined to go to the island even though in the make he looked scared about having to return.Â
I thought the rotoscoping was really well done! Iâm happy with the pacing, the fact that the episode felt like it went by fast is good considering it was dialogue based.
Incredible. The direction, the cinematic quality, we are feasting. MAPPA is elevating the story beyond anything I could have imagined! I'm beyond hyped for the rest!! But where is asshole Marley guards/Hobo!Eren's appearance as a favorite moment?!
Incredible, it adapts the source material very well while adding some touches that make it unique in it's own way. As a manga reader, I'm really glad that they're doing this because it feels like a completly different experience from reading it and makes me excited on what changes or directing choices they're going to make during the course of the season, great job so far MAPPA!
Such an amazing episode. Made 20mins feel like 5. MAPPA is doing fantastic. The characters have never felt more alive and the animation style is something I never knew I wanted until now.Â
I can't believe they didn't cast Mads Mikkelsen to voice Mads Mikkelsen
The episode was good but the dinner scene didn't do justice to the manga. It didn't have the same feeling to it. I saw a lot of anime onlys thinking Reiner was just trying to talk shit about the 104th. I feel like the flashbacks during that part in the manga gave it a nostalgic feeling that helped convey what he truly felt about his time on the island. His facial expressions were not quite there either. Specially sad because it was the moment I was expecting the most this episode and because it's a big part of Reiner's character, maybe next episode can kind of fix this.
I haven't seen the anime only poll results, but given personal conversations with them I imagine quite a few could care less about the Warriors and are looking forward to the 104th showing up to stir shit up. Boy are those folks in for a treat :)
I knew I'd feel more attached to all of them once they got animated. I didn't expect getting real thirsty for Lainah.
I was so happy with how much detail MAPPA put into the background scenery. Also, I think that an underrated moment during this episode was the Marlian douchebag triggering the Eldian soldierâs PTSD. You could really feel their terror, and THEY KEPT THE HOBO EREN PART IM SO HAPPY!
Its consistently very pretty and well animated which is great of course, but I worry the team wonât be able to maintain this quality for some of the meatier scenes in the later episodes. The fast pace of the episode (compared to the manga) as well as the many cuts make it a bit harder for scenes to stick, I wish there was a bit more breathing room at times. This also makes the fancy animation and frequent rotoscoping cuts feel less impactful for meâwith every scene being cut down to its core ingredients, and every scene having at least one cut with more motion and energy than weâre used to, I canât help but feel it all kind of mashes together without sticking out as much, leaving less of an impact. (I feel really really weird actually complaining about good camerawork/animation, what the hell lol) Also hobo <3
Plenty of questions about ass but no questions about the full ED? Or how we thought the episode did at hiding Eren in plain sight?
rip Reiner's chocolate abs :'(
The episode wasn't as interesting as the first one. I was yawning from time to time. Yet, I think that Mappa did a great job, because it's hard to animate full of dialogues chapters. I was disappointed of the fact that flashbacks from Paradis have been cut. I hoped to see Sasha, Connie, Ymir and Marco while Reiner was speaking about them. Without the flashbacks we just got the dry speech and this way hard to say what Reiner is really thinking about people he met on Paradis. We - as manga readers - already are aware of his feelings, but anime onlies may not know and see Reiner as cold hearted person. I'm not complaining over animations or the OST tracks because no studio is perfect and some small mistakes here and there won't destroy my fun. I just sit and enjoy the episode.Â
Very good, with the exception of the dinner scene, in which the director missed the mark completely with the tone.
WHERE DO YOU PRIMARILY DISCUSS THE SERIES? 328 Responses
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The Lore of Folklore:
The Real Story Behind the Characters of Taylor Swiftâs Folklore
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We are all familiar with Taylor Swiftâs record breaking, surprise quarantine love child, Folklore. Even more so in the Swiftie fanbase, we are familiar with the proverbial âlove triangleâ established in âCardiganâ, âAugustâ, and âBettyâ. What if I told you that I believe the entire album is centered around just these characters at different stages in life with Taylorâs story woven in? Also, what if I said that Taylor/Rebecca were an allegory? Not to mention the complexity of âHoaxâ being a combination of all the characters in one? Of course, you would probably ask me for clarification, and that is the intention of the next few paragraphs. These characters reveal certain patterns of behavior, call and responses, and self-referential phrases that map out a much bigger story to tell. The trio of songs mentioned above were just the starting point.
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To give you an overview of where we will be going, I want to give you the songs as they relate to each character. These will then be fleshed out to connect them in the way I hear and see Folklore play out. The songs and respective characters are as follows:
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Betty- Cardigan, Mirrorball, and Exile (featuring James)
James- Betty, This Is Me Trying, and Exile (featuring Betty)
Augustine- August, The 1, and Illicit Affairs
Taylor- Seven, Invisible String, Mad Woman, Epiphany
Taylor/Rebecca- The Last Great American Dynasty, My Tears Ricochet, Peace
All Characters- Hoax
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The genius of this album is that the struggles and identifiers of these characters can sometimes be interchangeable. That is what creates the magic, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. There is more than one perspective to these stories, but this is all what I heard from Inez.
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The 1 (Augustine)-
I have been sitting with this song for a while. I began to wonder why, for lyrics that for all intents and purposes were sad, did I not get sad listening to this song. Sure, itâs about loss and what could have been, but itâs mere conjecture. Almost like a love that never really existed outside of the storytellerâs imagination. A film that was never made, if you will. Then it hit me, âyou werenât mine to loseâ. Augustine simply imagined what it would have been like if the man she did not end up with could have been the one. Betty and James DID have a relationship and the theme of this âfilmâ is repeated in the stories told throughout this album. She would have not gotten the chance to have the movie kind of romance if he had not chosen to be with her. Rose flowing with his chosen family.
 If one thing had been different, could everything be different today? Had he not already been in love with another woman, could we have been the greatest love story ever told? Something also struck me as odd. She called out him meeting some woman on the internet and taking her home. Knowing he has a tendency to stray, there could be a superficial level of jealousy. Imagining that heâs cheating on Betty, but disappointed that it isnât with her. Not because sheâs necessarily a bad person, but I think that as we will see later on in this breakdown, Augustine struggles with conventional relationship types and ties herself to sinking ships for the tragedy of it all.
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Cardigan (Betty)-
So, not to rehash lore we are already incredibly familiar with, but this song is clearly Betty knowing that James is going to run back to her after straying the path. Cool, amazing, fierce. However, there is language here that suggests this is not the same instance as him showing up to the party. I believe that James has a very toxic pattern resulting from his wondering eye and Betty just has a bad case of loving him. At least, for a while. Betty likes the fact that she is able to show James who he really is when all is said and done, and being someone who has struggled with confidence, she doesnât want to let this love go too soon. Even if she should. More on that in a bit.
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Betty says, âChase two girls, lose The 1â. We all assumed that she was referring to herself, but knowing that she was almost waiting for his return, itâs very possible that she intended to forgive him even before he asked. She had scars from years of not being enough and she may have even been bullied as indicated by this and him seeing in her what others could not when he was present in the relationship. That feeling of âwhat ifâ made sure she would not completely walk away. When you are young they assume you know nothing. Well, knowing something does not mean you know everything and I think she stayed long enough to find that out the hard way. Peter does lose Wendy because he cannot grow up.
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The Last Great American Dynasty (Taylor/Rebecca)-
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Taylor owns the previous home of Rebecca Harkness in Rhode Island. This beachside mansion has all the salt air and cliffsides to scream off of that anyone would want. Rebecca has a big reputation as a maneater who just isnât ladylike and mild mannered enough. Sound familiar? Taylor Swift has been demonized, ridiculed, and made infamous based solely off of complete speculation. Rebecca faced the same fate as a middle-class divorcee who was cast as a gold digger after the Standard Oil estate. Truth is, both of these women were just in search of love that could last. Under circumstances far beyond their control these things ended so loudly that there was no right to privacy while they grieved or attempted to make sense of it all. Worse? They were blamed in a blameless situation.
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Taylor makes her identity known to mirror Rebeccaâs at the end of the story. So, whatâs the connection to the album as a whole? Bill grew up in the area that the rest of them would eventually be in later on. Cliffside and salt air, the characters revisit these scenes and similar ones several times throughout the story. They lived at a different time here, years later. In fact, in terms of the house itself, it sat quietly for 50 years until Taylor would acquire it. She then marks her entrance to the rest of these stories as she then will later touch on points of her life leading up to Holiday House.
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Exile (Betty and James)-
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Communication is key. However, Betty and James eventually resented the back-and-forth nature of their relationship. He believed that she would always forgive him as she had always set that precedent each time before in their relationship. Although they always knew they walked a very thin line, they always felt like the other person would become better to them if they loved hard enough. Each had their demons, though. Between James cheating nature and drinking problem, he could become withdrawn and combative. Betty loved James so much that she gave him second, third and hundredth chances and even excused his more aggressive behaviors in a Streetcar Named Desire type loyalty. Until the branch broke that they were balancing on.
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For someone like James, being left as a result of bad behavior can often be skewed as a betrayal in and of itself. Her leaving could have only been a result of her not telling him how to be a better partner. On the flip side, Betty was not clear in her signals of being fed up with his actions, but allowing him back time and again. The blame game ensues and each call out each otherâs faults too little, too late. They have, in fact, seen this âfilmâ before. They kept the hope that the cinematic love they were both obsessed with would eventually play out if they wanted it enough, but did not put in the work or self-reflect enough to make it so.
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My Tears Ricochet (Taylor/Rebecca)-
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Of course, itâs about a certain sellout record executive of her previous label who did not even have the decency to let her own her masters. I will not be bringing his name into it because he does not deserve to even be thought about. However, I think Taylor does an expert job of exploring the anger stage of grief and death that Rebecca and Bill would have had to face in his untimely death as well. The allegory dips in and out of this song to further establish the mirror effect of these two women and their fears/perception. Taylor calls out her own inability to leave with grace. Rebecca was left to burn at the stake after Bill died with no one to defend her either. While it is not his choice to have died, grieving does bring about emotions of abandonment when still panning out. Much like Taylor felt when the label she trusted acted like they had never met and that she had not given them her all to gift them any kind of notoriety.
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Gathering stones is beachside activity, but when, so is collecting jewelry. This in a metaphorical sense could allude to also gathering dirt and receipts when it all falls down. This line has quite an impact in the context of a business transaction and the marriage of a rich couple. Toward the end, each woman speaks as though they have gone to the cliffside and screamed into the open air. Rebecca challenges the masses to go for her heart in same way the public felt she had gone for Billâs, but knows that she would be missed all the same. Each woman is directly calling out their naysayers and bullies telling them they know theyâre drunk on pain and negating the good they had done before tragedy. These fake people have both built them up and torn them down in times it benefitted them the most.
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Mirrorball (Betty)-
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As I previously mentioned, Betty struggles with self-confidence (relatable content). This song takes a deeper dive into Bettyâs desire to be noticed by James in the way she needs him to and to show him that she knows him better than anyone else does. When he does not pay attention, she breaks into a million pieces. Although her friends consistently tell her that the end is imminent, she has committed herself to changing the narrative. Sheâs walking the tightrope, another call out to the thin line they feel they have always walked in regards to one another.
The insecurity is palpable in the self-deprecating âIâve never been a natural, all I do is try, try, tryâ. Remembering from their teenage years, Augustine, a natural beauty, is able to draw men in with a sense of sensuality and a carefree demeanor. She doesnât have to get too invested in relationships because she only chooses men that are in high risk, low reward circumstances. On the outside, it seems like she has all the confidence in the world and that is intimidating to someone like Betty who does not exude the same assuredness and has been burned by trusting unnecessarily before. In spite of this, Betty is still a believer in true love even if James has given her no indication there is reason to believe.
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Seven (Taylor)-
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Little Tay on her Pennsylvania farm just discovering her own voice and the meaning of friendship. Making her own tales of time gone by and recounting the origin story of a girl who makes âtoo muchâ noise any time she wants. Also, quite possibly the REAL queer-canon of the album. Taylor was close to someone who she has not seen for a while, a girl. She remembers the feeling more than anything and a certain protectiveness that she felt for this person who was having to hide in the closet. Labels did not matter and love was love in this scenario. She wants them to know their story and the care she felt for them is not forgotten and still a source of inspiration for her life in present day. Think âhope ur okâ by Olivia Rodrigo.
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This song explores Taylorâs fierce feminism and activism into adulthood. The unwavering support she gives to the underdogs and why Rebeccaâs story resonates with her so much. She was the wild child the world tried to tame with constant expectation. The subject of Seven that she befriended reminded her that there are beautiful things out there and grounded her in a way to keep looking for meaningful connections and to respect the stories of each person she meets to gain perspective.
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August (Augustine)-
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Somewhere on the beaches just outside this small Rhode Island town, Augustine was manifesting a relationship that she knew had a slim to none chance with James. Despite her hopes and efforts, August came and went. James dreamed of Betty with Augustine in his arms, but wanted is cake and to eat it too as a seventeen-year-old boy. The thrill of it all enticed him to give his summer to Augustine instead. Particularly because she was willing to pursue him in the way she did. However, much like the surface level pining found in The 1, she just wished she could write her name on his back in a performative ownership move as if to say finders keepers.
This superficial relationship was hallmarked in sex and lust by being spent tipsy and wrapped and in bedsheets. It wasnât shameful or tawdry to two kids, but would show itâs truth one single time before becoming a feeling both would continue to chase. The shaky and electrifying experience of sharing firsts and secrets though âNever Have I Everâ and the charged nature of âAre you sure?â feeling like a pact. Until guilt set in for James, there was only excitement and both were forever changed. One by the hope of it all, and the other by the excitement.
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This Is Me Trying (James)-
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Years after the first thrill and eventual heartbreak, James has never found direction. He fell behind the classmates that moved on with their lives and ended up here. Still in their same hometown, he is a shell of a man grappling with depression and alcoholism. Heâs in Bettyâs doorway once again in her front porch light begging for forgiveness. He even matched Bettyâs previous speech pattern in âMirrorballâ by saying âI just wanted you to knowâŠâ as if to respond to her finally because he sees her after itâs all been said and done. He pulled the rusted, vintage car that once made him so cool off the road to the same cliffside that they once made out in front of. This represents the edge that they all seem to stand at one point or another to contemplate their mistakes. He calls out his own substance abuse and aggression (which we talked about in Exile as well).
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He wants to continue his same party lifestyle, but feels like an open wound because his bad behavior has finally caught up to him. All he thinks about are his own shortcomings, especially now that he is left alone with them. Betty once again gets compared to a film in a reel on the one screen they have in this small town. Now, only a memory instead of a reality. The defensiveness from being what he perceived as betrayal has subsided and he is left to face the cages he mentally put himself into and the fear that he was not as good of a man as he tried to project to others around him. Betty being the product of his transgressions since she is left broken and resentful toward him now.
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Illicit Affairs (Augustine)-
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Augustine finally pulls back the layers on why she continues to try to recapture the feeling that James gave her at a mere sixteen years old. Someone displaying all the confidence in the world may have had less than Betty in actuality. It was all a misconception. Instead, Augustine feels that her looks and sex are what she has to offer and by giving herself away, she hopes to capture lightning in a bottle one of these times. She recreates the same structure of what she had with James only to meet the same disappointment.
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The beautiful setting of the beach house gives way to the parking lot behind the mall in a way. In some twisted way, James brokenness recognized Augustineâs and she had never been seen in real way before that and then not again after. James thought Bettyâs level headedness would fix him and did not want to have to face himself via Augustine since they understood each other in the worst way. Like I said, that first taste left her living for the hope of it all and it was simply a dwindling mercurial high. A drug, though, that could work a hundred times over.
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Invisible String (Taylor)-
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Taylorâs stories are often on this album the only ones with direct references to actual places. This one references Centennial Park and Los Angeles. This is the story of Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn (William Bowery to some). This in and of itself is a modern day, currently in the making folktale. The idea of an invisible force bringing the two together to tell a great love story just like Taylor had always imagined. Here she self-references her own part in contributing to the media circus surrounding breakups and dating and owning her growth in those situations.
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Allowing herself to live in the moment, she talks about the colors and touches of humanity this relationship has brought her. A deeper appreciation of the present and making memories that will one day make beautiful stories to tell for both themselves and for others that once tried to taint her narratives on hearsay. This is her story in her words and an expression of gratitude. Hell was the journey, but it brought her heaven.
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Mad Woman (Taylor)-
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This one is about the other one and his soon to be ex-wife. The one the masters were sold to. Shares a name with a two wheeled ankle destroyer and will also not be mentioned by me. This is a slight reference to her Rebecca allegory in the sense that character assassination played a big part in that story, but not enough to say itâs a direct correlation. Although, it is interesting to note that they are hunting all of the witches even if you arenât one.
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Taylor gets raw about the cheating nature of the man in question whether it is in business or in relationships and how he should be called out for it. Thereâs a hardship in feminism, though. She watches as a woman who knows she is in the wrong defend the thief instead of the robbed. It explores the right to be mad when lied to or stolen from, particularly when youâre willing to go on record with false statements if they serve a certain narrative. Undeniably, this moment will go down in infamy for generations to come. In a word, folklore.
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Epiphany (Taylor)-
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Paying homage to her grandfather, Taylor sets a scene as a war rages on. Keeping your helmet to keep your life is a good direct correlation to mask mandates that swept the country as COVID-19 developed. The horrors of watching someone die for things that may have arguably been avoided sets the anguish apart in this song to any other she has done. This is the world in a life and death lens and nothing else. Trying to make sense of what she and the rest of us are seeing when it did not have to be this way.
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The most hard hitting look at medical staff and the precarious position they stood in for both instances is found in the bridge. They watch to make sure someone is breathing. They stand in the face of danger and are contained to one place while a threat is posed but serve unselfishly and risk falling like the people around them in the hopes of reaching a breaking point or a point of clarity in the chaos. On a metaphorical level, this song establishes a very important piece of perspective for us to hold onto long after this virus is contained lest we forget.
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Betty (James)-
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The first injustice and a look into the dramatics of young love. We now at least get to know why James loves Betty so much and humanize him a little more for the things heâs been dealing with internally since a young age. He comes off a lot more charming here even if unsure. Possibly a reason why he leans on liquid courage later on, James is actually a bit shy in group interactions. This also causes him to avoid confrontation if it can be helped or talking about his feelings. He also has a tendency to fear loneliness as a result so heâs easily convinced to go along for the ride even if it isnât the right decision.
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However, here, he nervously plans for weeks to gather up the courage to ask for a second chance. From what we can gather, he was likely forgiven in this instance which made him more comfortable than before to do so again and again. The cycle started here with this grand gesture, but post-cheating, the damage was likely already done since he had gotten a taste of the thrill. Betty would serve as a constant, but she would not stand alone.
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Peace (Taylor/Rebecca)-
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Taylor knows she will likely always be speculated on, but she loves intensely even if no one else believes. Here, you can see her sympathy and understanding of someone like Rebecca who no one ever even considered that she may actually love her late husband. All she can ever hope for is that the person she dedicates herself to can recognize how invested she really is and can handle the storm that comes with that. She talks with her own pack of friends being wild and rowdy much like Rebecca, but hopes he never sees that as a sign of disrespect. Itâs just who she is.
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Everyone DID think the love was for show, but they knew nothing of what happened behind closed doors. Does a woman pace rocks staring out at the midnight sea who isnât missing someone? I donât think so. Painting dreamscapes on the wall referring to the home they share together. The very same place that tied Rebecca and Taylorâs stories together in the first place. I think Taylor learned to embrace the madness before the rest of Rebeccaâs story became hers and stopped apologizing for being so loud but remembered to continue to let love in.
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Every time I listen to this song, I hear a different character speaking to me. Then I realized each one was just taking turns. This one is a bit different so Iâm going to break it down by character:
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Betty- He had drawn stars around her scars, but the way he made her feel was just as bad as the pain they caused. She believed him each time he said never again. She let him back in time and again to be hurt in the same way, but nobody else would have done for her if he could just be the things he promised to be. She was bound to him even though he never came through.
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James- He knows exactly what heâs done and that he cannot fix it now. He knows that she possesses a love for him that will never die, but that is unrealistic after a certain point. He resigns himself to having to miss her forever. The hero has effectively died, so the movie has lost a purpose in plot. He tried, but did not succeed.
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Augustine- She had a plan for them. No matter the means in which to get it, she wanted him to love her the way he did Betty. She used slight of hand and a little convincing to lead him to her. It left her aching for more when she knew that would never come back. August slipped away and there was no winning. Winter came and the ground was frozen.
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Rebecca- She stood out there screaming for a reason why she had to be left alone in the life that was supposed to be theirs. I donât think she ever quite got past that feeling of abandonment and just needed anything to believe in. This beautiful mansion had become a kingdom come undone. Billâs heart had given out like a broken drum.
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Taylor- When you sign a record deal at such a young age and a man who has always taken care of you in that time suddenly becomes your biggest enemy, it can certainly feel like a total heartbreak. The hoax was making her believe that even if all was said and done he would at least have her back. He most certainly did not. She screams at the sun (now eclipsed) on the cliffside while he listens to her stolen lullabies. The part of herself that remains in New York being her lifeâs work.
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Please let me know if you have anything to add! Any new perspectives I may have missed? I would love to further this conversation and find new ways to explore the Folklorian Wilderness!
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love is enough!!! also quarantine au
(for the ask game where yalls send me TAU sub-AUâs and I give you some headcanons)
Love Is Enough AUÂ (link)
Mark (who is a computer programmer) teaches Dipper how to code! Omniscience means that theoretically Dipper already knows how, but itâs a knowledge vs execution kind of thing so itâs nice for someone to actually teach him. And itâs a fun bonding thing the two of them can do together. Mark was, at first, the most frightened when it came to what happened to Dipper, but now when he thinks about his son he canât stop seeing the amazed look on Dipperâs face the first time he made a simple Pong-like game. After that is where the omniscience really comes in handy: as a software developer IRL I can tell you that programming is 50% just looking at documentation, and Dipper can bypass that entirely, making him leagues more efficient than a human could be. When he writes Al-V a few hundred years later, he puts a comment in the code dedicating the program to his dad.
Anna accidentally ends up on a cultbashing mission with Dipper. Like, it wasnât supposed to be a mission, they were just on a hike in the forest, but one thing lead to another and now the two of them are facing off against a bunch of cultists. I HC that Anna is the strict parent but I feel like she goes completely feral when she feels like her children are in danger, and as of such she actually... is good at cultbashing. Which is not something she ever expected to participate in.
Mabel really appreciates having her parents around to help her out with schoolwork. Stanâs very knowledgable but only in certain -- mostly criminal -- things. Dipper has the whole omniscience thing going on, but he doesnât always know how to use it and heâs often not the best at explaining things. But Mabel can go to her parents -- who actually went to and completed high school -- for help and theyâre so happy to do so, because this is something they know, this is something they can handle.
Mark and Anna stay in the twinsâ lives even when Mabel gets married, and they end up having one great big family all under one roof. The Mystery Shack definitely has to grow a few more rooms akin to how it grew a room for Mabel and Henry. The triplets have at this point 6 parental figures living with them which makes growing up very interesting.
Despite living in Gravity Falls for years and getting acquainted with all the weirdness both in their family and just going on around them, Anna and Mark still feel kind of othered by it. They love their family and theyâre all for preter rights and such, but theyâre reserved and feel kind of awkward. Thatâs why they really get along with Henry, because finally thereâs someone living in the house that gets how they feel. When things get to be too much, like if Dipper shows up in the house still in his void form and covered in blood and they love him haha they do they just need a minute thank you sorry, they know they can talk to Henry about it. (After all, they never want to burden Mabel and Dipper with their discomfort again. They know how much the Piedmont years hurt for their kids. Theyâre allowed to struggle with some of the stuff thatâs happened, but they know itâs Not their kidsâ job to fix that.)
Quarantine AUÂ (link)
Birthmark headcanons! In Light Quarantine, Ford convinced Dipper that heâs not really Dipper. Which means the latter thinks the birthmark is only there because heâs pretending to be Dipper, and he feels ashamed of it. So he hides it with magic just like in main TAU, and whenever he slips up and lets it show (itâs been suggested that this happens in main TAU when he does powerful spells) he feels really awful and guilty (at least, in the years before rejoining the family).
Meanwhile, in Heavy Quarantine, Dipper does not hide his birthmark. Heâs not aware enough at first of why that would be important. Later, it becomes a grounding thing. That mark on his head tells him who he is, what he used to be. Even after heâs recovered enough that heâs fairly stable, he doesnât hide it with magic (heâll still hide it under his fringe like he did when he was human though) because itâs just so grounding for him.
Finally, in Darker Quarantine, he also doesnât hide his birthmark, but for a very different reason. In this variant, he enjoys manipulating Mabel, and furthermore loves watching her squirm. He knows that the birthmark reminds her of who he used to be and that while she refuses to give up on him, it pains her how different he is now. So, when heâs really acting up, he makes sure the birthmark is on full display, just to make her feel a little worse.
(Hi Iâm Starlight and I really like that birthmark, who WOULDNâT want a bunch of stars on their forehead?)
Heavy variant Dipper canât handle feeling constrained or trapped at all. Small rooms are bad. Basements are unfriendly. When heâs triggered, he canât even handle Mabel hugging him or wearing one of her sweaters with love in every stitch, which is heartbreaking to her. And if youâre a cult, donât even think about trying to bind him. Being bound really makes him go feral -- it brings out the demon in him because when he was trapped in Fordâs cage thatâs all he was. These are awful setbacks for him, and he always gets better but. Itâs hard.
Darker variant Dipper, despite how confidently he may act, also canât handle feeling trapped (yes in that scene there are other reasons heâs upset too but donât let him trick you, a big part of it is how bad he feels not having control). It hurts enough that heâd rather be free than have a delicious snack that heâs spent years preparing.
I looked up the lifespan of a pig, and it said 15-20 years, so Waddles is probably still alive when Mabel discovers Dipper in Heavy variant. HC that Dipper likes Waddles a lot more in Heavy variant than he does in the show, because Waddles isnât a person and gives good snuggles without feeling constricting and in general just feels safe. This makes Mabel really happy! (Cinematic parallels to Waddles helping Stan recover his memory in the show yasssss). By the time Waddles dies, Dipper is probably feeling a lot better, but they get another pet anyway. Pets are good.
In Light variant, when Mabel is in high school, she has a number of dreams involving a shadowy figure who saves her from certain death. These dreams always stick around in her memory when she wakes up. Curious, she decides to learn how to lucid dream because thereâs something so very familiar about that figure. When sheâs finally lucid enough to have a conversation with him, he answers some of her questions but doesnât tell her who he is. He doesnât show up in her dreams again after that -- he feels too guilty.
#gravity falls#transcendence au#dipper pines#alcor the dreambender#love is enough au#quarantine au#mabel pines#birthmark#asks#Anonymous#long post#mark pines#anna pines
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Justice league Snydercut review
Wow talk about a long movie. Remember Mass Effect's 3 shit endings that were later improved (sorta) with DLCs. Well that is kinda how this movie is.
Before we start this, I just wanna say that I was very impartial throughout the whole snydercut movement. I wasn't part of it but I do see the good that they did in regards to some of their charities and with how the fandom itself has been painted in a negative light. So its good that they got what they have been demanding for quite some time. Snyder as director for me, I really am not the biggest fan of. His movies have some great cinematic moments that look amazing but the context around it is what muddles it for me.
Is it better than Whedon's JL? YES. To start I'll look at some of the things that I do like.
I do like how it was split into parts. Â Gives it that miniseries/Comic book feel
Thank god they removed that stupid cringy flash landing on top of Diana's chest scene.
Darkseid looks good. I know some people have issues with it but I liked it. I mean looking at it first glance has me convinced its Darkseid. His voice isn't too bad either. Reminds me a bit of Injustice 2.
As much as I have issues with Darkseid being introduced so early I do like that he had a brief confrontation/glaredown with the League, foreshadowing a possible in person encounter and that the League needs to expand if they are going to fight against Darkseid. Â
Steppenwolf's design has greatly improved and looks better than before.
Loved the scenes between Alfred and Diana. Â Wish there was more of that.
I loved how the movie added Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash attempting to stop Superman from getting to Batman. I also liked how in this version, Â Batman pleading to Clark's humanity telling him that world needs him and he needs to snap out of it. Â Also bonus for taking out that scene of Batman on the ground groaning about how old he is getting.
Okay seeing Clark get the black suit and having the voiceovers of both his father's merge together works in terms of Clark's arc into becoming the person he was meant to be. Also like the use of Zimmerman's Ideal of Hope score wished they let it play out a little longer. Â Probably my favourite moment in the film is where Superman just takes Steppenwolf's Axe like its nothing and freezes it.
Now to go into some of the more critical stuff that bugged me when watching.
For a movie that is 4 hours long, pacing issues were bound to happen. I think the first example of this can be found in the opening with the Superman scream wave (which started to get a bit hilarious when his screams could be heard every now and then) hitting all three mother boxes. they are shown individually reacting to it and it takes time, where it could have just showed them together or an compilation of each of the motherboxes waking up. I know it Snyder's thing but tone down on the slow mo. Like some instances its fine (like with bullet time or Flash's scenes) but other instances I'm just like alright I get it.
The scene involving Cyborg transferring money into that single mother's bank account. Is he gonna do this for all the people suffering just like her? or just for that one person? I mean if you can hack into the world monetary system, you can solve a lot of financial issues affecting  the majoirty and not just one person. Did I miss the scene but why did Cyborg go from helping one poor person, suggesting the potential good he can do to change the world for the better  to "Fuck the world". Seems a bit inconsistent in character. Especially since he knows who Diana is (from what he says)  and that Parademons are after the motherbox. Maybe her offering help, you should take it? idk Vic. Also the whole Auto defense system malfunction, would it not be better if this was established beforehand where we see Vic struggling to maintain his body's autonomy leading up to the Superman confrontation? Prior to that it seemed he had it under control and his biggest conflict throughout the movie seemed more to be with him coming to terms with his new body. With that being said, Cyborg's character here is much more interesting and better than it was originally. I can see why Ray Fisher is so pissed (well that and the abuse he faced).  I am glad this was improved and gave the character a lot more to do.
The movie still has the same issue as before in regards to the whole motherbox plot and how convenient it was that all three are located on earth. You would think that with the involvement of Darkseid/Steppenwolf that separating them to distinct locations across space would make it more difficult to collect them. I mean we know that the Green Lanterns exist (we saw one get chomped), you'd think that they or the guardians would take one and secure it on Oa. The pushback to this would be "well there was only one green lantern and he died, so how could they retrieve the box?" which begs my question, why send only one? I mean it has been established that Darkseid is a known conqueror of worlds, you'd think the Guardians would be smart enough to send more than one Lantern to aid Earth in their fight. Â Did they not think it would be a good idea to have the corps be more involved/keep an eye on earth since it is the only planet that was able to repel Darkseid's forces?
Why is it that the best idea of security when it comes to humans is to bury it? Would it not be better in optics to look over it and know its location instead of dropping it somewhere on the off chance that someone might find it due to being  curious or the land changing/altering  making the box more easy to attain? A situation as dire/serious as this, you would think that the Amazons/Atlanteans would have been better prepped with armor/weapons for such an event. I mean you have the arrow of Artemis that shoots quite a distance to give Diana a message but not some kind of weapon that hurts/cripples Steppenwolf? Or better yet, how about the moment that the boxes started acting up after Superman's death, that Atlantis/Themiscarya would put aside any differences they had with one another and to the outside world to come together to secure the boxes?  How could Darkseid forget the name of the only planet that was able to force him to retreat? nor does he know that it harbors the anti life?
Did this movie break Aquaman's continuity? because from the dialogue between Mera and Arthur, its implied that Atlanna abandoned/left Arthur at Tom's doorsteps whereas in the movie,  we see Atlanna spend a couple of years with Tom and raising baby Arthur before she was forced to come back. You'd think Zack being a producer for the Aquaman  movie would have edited that line or made it more clear. Well that or James Wan F'ed up when making the movie.
"I've never seen a being as strong as Steppenwolf" Did Diana just forget Ares aka the god of war who killed the Greek Pantheon/Old gods and orchestrated the first World War? Hell from the looks of the flashback it seemed Ares (I'm assuming its Ares, if its Hades, my bad) was getting some good hits in on Darkseid, who is superior to Steppenwolf.  While we are on the topic of Diana, it's a bit odd that Snyder who  was a producer on WW84 where one of the biggest focuses on the movie that Patty Jenkins talked about was how Diana doesn't solve her problems with violence (even though her primary weapons in this movie are a sword and shield but okay. Then again New 52 hasn't done a good job in disproving that), yet in this movie we see her using her gauntlet smash to fucking kill the one remaining terorrist. Like sure you can argue that they were terrorists and deserve to die, but given how easy and quick it was for her to take out the previous guys, why do something that runs the risks of destroying the very building that you are in (with hostages). I mean from the look of the blast and how much debris fell from the building outside, and it was a miracle no one (but the terrorist) got hurt/killed.
Why did Steppenwolf  kidnap  them in the first place? Just use that mind extracting device you used on the Atlantean soldier to see if they know. Seems like a waste of time to collect them in one location only to interrogate them later.
Okay, I'm sorry but even in this cut I still don't like Miller's Barry Allen. He isn't as bad as he was in the theatrical cut but man does it stick out. When he is helping to escort the kidnapped civilians out, why doesn't he just grab them and transfer them to a safe distance? He even makes a comment about how slow they are going. Can I also just say how weird it is for Barry to take time saving Iris to caress her hair and look at her more creepily in slow mo? Like yeah its in slow mo but still I think your priority should be to get everyone to safety as quick as possible and check if anyone else could get hurt. Â I will admit that Barry's speech as he is running so fast to reverse time at the end was really good. Tho the more I think about all the slow mo Flash scenes are good.
They still kept the "Let's use the mother box to bring back Superman plot". Why? This is a piece of tech that you don't fully understand how it works and you are going on the whims of someone you just met. Especially if they come back as a different person/mindset all together. Â If Superman 's death was the reason that allowed for the Mother box to call to Steppenwolf/Darkseid, what the hell were they doing prior to Superman's arrival on earth? I mean we've seen how easy it was for Steppenwolf to attain the two boxes even if they were guarded, so why the wait ?. I get that Batman is going through an arc and trying to change from the person he was but how does go from "1% chance of absolute certainty" to "let's go on a whim and have faith" when it comes to resurrecting Superman?Â
Its gonna be awkward as to how Clark will explain his sudden return from the grave around the same time Superman came back.
I was wondering when the Knightmare scene will play out. Jared leto's Joker isn't over with me, it seems way too try-hard to be edgy. Other than that yeah, not much I can say about it. Tho do we seriously need another iteration where Superman (or someone with Superman like powers) is evil?
I also love how nonchalant Bruce is about J'onn appearing in front him. However the revelation that J'onn was that army general all the time breaks so much of continuity (and just why now did you decide to show up and help and not idk the time Zod invaded and nearly  terraformed earth, HELL WHY TF DIDN'T SHOW UP TO HELP THE LEAGUE IF YOU KNEW ABOUT DARKSEID, I'M SORRY TO RAG ON BUT REALLY THIS CAMEO JUST OPENS UP SO MANY QUESTIONS, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN "PALPATINE WAS BEHIND THIS ALL ALONG" KIND OF THING ).
In terms of getting a sequel, I am not sure if WB is going to go through with it given that their current vision seems to be a different route than the one Snyder intended so who knows. Despite my criticisms I do believe this is Snyder's best DCEU film to date and probably one of his better films. You could tell that he put in a lot to make this. The movie itself does have issues mostly due to the plot surrounding the motherbox as well as pacing. I would say it's worth the watch at least once, though I think its best to watch it in doses rather than one sitting. Ultimately this is the version that we should have gotten and I can see why so many people who were supportive of Zack wanted or vouched for him to finish it. Regardless, I think the very least I am happy for Snyder. If you like Snyder's previous stuff, you will like this one, if you don't, your perception of the film won't change significantly other than some cool bits here and there. Â
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L'Inferno (1911) Movie Review!
As promised, we're gonna be celebrating this Spooky Season with a Devilman Crybaby headcanon! In order to fully express my HC, I will be reviewing icons of horror cinema and literature that helped contribute to many of the themes and ideas that are prevalent in Go Nagai's original manga. So, without further ado, let us descend into the Blind World. Put all fear and cowardice aside. I will be your guide through this eternal place, where you shall hear the shrieks and see the tormented spirits who all bewail the second death.
And how appropriate? Because our first film is the 1911 adaptation of The Inferno by Dante Alighieri. I suppose it's only right to begin this saga of horror films with one of the first horror films ever made. Okay, "first horror film" is actually debatable, so keep in mind that I said "ONE of the first." In any case, it remains one of the most important landmarks in horror cinema.
"Stopped, in the middle of what we call life,
I looked up and saw no sky, but rather a dense cage of leaf and tree and twig,
For I was lost."
The film opens as the iconic poem does. Dante Alighieri is a middle-aged man who finds himself lost in a dark, gloomy forest. This opening of the story always had a way of making me feel somewhat lonely and isolated. In my interpretation, I always saw this forest as being symbolic of how Dante felt after the death of Beatrice. Allow me to explain...
For those who don't know, Dante met a young girl named Beatrice when they were both nine years old. The young boy immediately fell in love with her, even though they hardly interacted. Despite their lives continuing in separate directions, Beatrice had always and forever held a special place in Dante's heart. When he received word that she had died, Dante was absolutely devastated. He felt that she deserved to be immortalized in what he intended to be his magnum opus; The Divine Comedy.
I believe that this opening to the Inferno is actually Dante going to a journey to find Beatrice so that he could say goodbye to her. Along the way, he got lost, both literally and spiritually. That, in my opinion, is what this forest symbolizes. In many ways, this opening kind of reminds of the opening to Silent Hill 2, just from how dismal it is.
Having said all that, I think the film does a very poor job of conveying those emotions. Sadly, I just don't feel any of the despair that was present in the original poem. He just wanders around for a few seconds, then steps out into a clearing. But don't worry! As soon as Dante steps into the clearing, the film IMMEDIATELY gets better. Upon entering this clearing, Dante finds himself at the base of, what I believe to be, Mount Purgatory. I can only assume that's where he is, because the gates of Hell are at its base, and Dante seems to suggest the gates of heaven are at its summit, just like Purgatory. Unfortunately, his path is blocked by three ravenous beasts: a leopard, a lion, and a she-wolf, all representing different Earthly sins. He runs back the way he came, before being rescued by a strange apparition. It's here that the film begins to remind us all of why the original poem is regarded as a self-insert fanfic...
Upon introducing himself to the apparition, Dante learns that it is the actually the ghost of Virgil, author of the Aeneid. The significance of Virgil being in the story is that he was Dante's favorite poet of all time, and Dante always longed to meet and interact with him. It's literally a self-insert fanfic of Dante meeting and interacting with all of his inspirations. It's honestly a mystery to me why I love The Inferno so much, because it's everything I hate! It's a Catholic's fanfic about why he sees himself and his friends as morally superior and why everyone he ever disagreed with is going to Hell. Somehow, in spite of all that, I still love it.
So why did Virgil even decide to help Dante in the first place? Well, remember when I talked about Beatrice dying? It turns out, she descended from Heaven into Hell to ask him for help, because she knew how important he was to Dante. She tasked Virgil with being Dante's guide, after seeing that he has gone astray.
This is where the film's innovation starts to take shape. Beatrice has often been drawn as having a halo around her head. The problem is, how do you show that in a film made in 1911? The effect was strikingly realized with, what I assume to be, spinning rods covered in reflective material. I can only guess this is how it was done, but it appears right to me, because that's how a similar effect was created for the lightsabers in the original Star Wars. It looks like the rods were placed behind the actress, so that the rig couldn't be seen, making it appear as if the light was emanating from her head. This scene also displays an early appearance of wire work on film. In those days, that shit wasn't easy. It was even harder to hide the effect, which this film does fairly well.
So, Virgil explains to Dante that he must take him on a pilgrimage through the three different stages of the afterlife. To be perfectly honest, I never understood why. Maybe I'm just an idiot with little to no reading comprehension. It's also a factor that I haven't read parts II and III of the Divine Comedy, so maybe it's elaborated better in there. From what I gathered, since Dante is going on a journey to find the literal Stairway to Heaven (Led Zeppelin intensifies) Virgil needs to take him to Hell and Purgatory, so he can face his sins and better appreciate Paradise. And thus, Virgil's pilgrimage to lead Dante through the Afterlife begins!
"Through me, the way to the City of Woe
Through me, the way to everlasting pain
Through me, the way among the people lost
Divine Power made me
Eternal I endure
Abandon Hope, all ye who enter here"
That is the inscription above the Gates of Hell. It is here, that Dante is already planning on turning back. Virgil literally tells him to stop being a pussy, and I was satisfied. Once they enter the gates, it becomes apparent to the viewer, if it hasn't already, that this isn't just an adaptation of Dante's work. This film is actually a cinematic translation of the ICONIC illustrations by Gustave Dore that were created in the middle of the 19th century. So much care and detail was put into recreating his AMAZING artwork, that many consider to be his magnum opus. This film was basically the Zack Snyder's Watchmen of its day!
Those familiar with the story will recognize this iconic scene that is being recreated onscreen. Dante and Virgil have come to the shores of Acharon, where the souls of the damned board Charon's vessel to be taken before Judge Minos, who lives in Limbo.
Speaking of Limbo, that is the first spiral of Hell Dante visits. This is where good people who weren't Christians come to face eternity. Their punishment is meant to be the denial of Paradise, but if you ask me, it doesn't seem so bad. Apparently Dante felt the same way, because this is where he meets his other great inspirations, such as Homer and Ovid! The poets all enjoy their visit together before Virgil must take Dante on his way. This is honestly the part that makes me cringe the most. Nothing reeks of self-insert fanfic more than meeting your idols and being greatly respected by all them. This is exactly why I abandoned my Silent Hill fanfic.
Anyway, Minos's throne lies at the lower boarder of Limbo. The king himself appears as a giant naked bearded man with a snake tail. The tail is used to determine the punishment of sinners by wrapping around Minos's own neck multiple times. However many times the tail coils determines which spiral the sinner is sent to.
And here we get to my favorite scene in the whole film: Lust! This spiral perfectly displays the true innovation of special effects. In this spiral, sinners are punished by being caught in a tumultuous whirlwind. The wind symbolizes the tumultuous feelings that arise between lustful lovers. It's one of Dore's best illustrations, and it blows my mind that the filmmakers were able to recreate it so well!
Our two pilgrims move onward to the Spiral of Gluttony, where we come across Cerberus. He guards this spiral, but Virgil subdues him by throwing a clump of dirt in his face (still more respectful than Lore Olympus). Honestly, Gluttony is nothing to write home about. It's just a raining landscape with people laying in the mud. Still, I have to give credit for the meticulous recreation of Dore's art!
Down in Greed, who else do we find guarding this spiral, other than Plutus?
SIDE NOTE: I've read a very strange "translation" of his dialogue. The original line reads, "Pape Satan, Pape Satan, allepe!" Strangely, no one seems to agree on what exactly this means, so most translations are different. Particularly, in the case of Douglas Neff, he translates "Pape" to "Papa," which is strange because "Pape" means "Pope" in Itialian. Then, he changes "allepe" to "you are my king." Let's also not forget that Plutus was also occasionally used as an epithet for Hades and/or Pluto. This means Douglas Neff literally wrote Hades to say, "Daddy Satan, I worship you" (still more respectful than Lore Olympus)!
In the Spiral of Greed, the sinners are forced push heavy sacks of gold around for eternity. Once again, this scene is nothing special, but still an admirable recreation of the illustrations that inspired it.
The next scene, however, shows off more of the innovative talent that makes this film so amazing! Virgil and Dante move on to the Spiral of Anger, where the sinners are punished by being submerged in the black sludge of the River Styx. The only way across is by boat. This is where Phlegyas comes in. The two poets stand by a giant tower which they use to signal for passage to the City of Dis. Along the way, the boat is stopped by Dante's political and intellectual rival, Philipo Argenti. It's here that one realizes just how petty Dante truly was. "Oh, I disagree with you politically. Therefore, you deserve to drown in sludge for all eternity!" He sounds like people I used to know. Hell, he sounds like me in high school!
All while this is going on, we see an amazing special effect of a double exposure of Dis in the background. It's an amazing miniature of the city's outer wall, optically printed to take up the entire top half of the screen.
Finally, they make it to the other side of the river, where we actually get a cameo by Hades' and Persephone's children! No, not Zagareus, Makaria, and Melinoe. None of those people were Hades' and Persephone's children. I'm actually referring to the Erinyes (also known as, the Furies). They block Dante's entrance to the city's gates, so Virgil calls upon the aid of an Archangel to rid them of the Furies. It is here that Dante asserts the superiority of Christianity over the Hellenistic faith (still more respectful than Lore Olympus).
Within the City of Dis, Hell begins to look more like how we always imagined, with fire and brimstone. In the Spiral of Heresy, sinners are stuffed into eternally burning ovens embedded in the ground.
Beyond that is the only omitted sequence from the poem. In the original Divine Comedy, the Spiral of Violence is originally guarded by the Minotaur! Beyond that are sinners, stewed in a boiling river of blood (The Phlegethon). On the banks, we see a heard of Centaurs practicing their archery on them. These are the individuals who were violent towards other people. In order to cross the river of blood, Dante and Virgil must ride on the back of one of the centaurs. You know, having heard of centaurs' notorious reputation for being horrible rapists, it makes me concerned for the sake of our Pilgrims. Maybe they didn't include this in the film because they couldn't figure out how to make a centaur?
On the other side of the Phlegethon, Violence continues into the suicide forest (*Logan Paul reference here*). Here is where sinners, who were violent against themselves, are punished. Once judged to this spiral, they grow into trees. The symbolism being that trees are a symbol of life, of which these sinners have deprived themselves. I'm surprised this scene isn't more controversial. After all, seeing as how seriously mental health has been taken recently, it's fucking awful to tell someone they're going to Hell for committing suicide! As a peice of horrific imagery, I love this scene, but knowing that Dante actually believed this makes me despise it.
In addition to being a horrifying concept, this scene also includes one of the first instances of bloodshed in a horror film. Virgil explains to Dante that he can speak with the sinners if he breaks one of their branches. When he does, blood sprays out of the tree like a drinking fountain!
After a brief conversation with the sinners, Dante moves on to the final section of violence, where people were violent against God. Here the sinners are punished in a desert that perpetually rains fire.
Now, not every special effect in this film is good. Because when Dante rides down to the eighth spiral on Geryon's back, it is such a stiff, unnatural, badly puppeteered marrianet that they couldn't even keep stable for the shot!
"There is a place in Hell called the Malebolge..."
Now, we get to my favorite part of the whole poem: The Spiral of Fraud. Here the deceivers are punished in a myriad of ways, depending on how they lied to others.
In the first Spiral of the Malebolge, those who pander towards others are mercilessly whipped for all eternity. This marks the first appearance of the classic image of the winged demons that we all know and love.
In the second spiral, the flattererers bathe in a stagnant pond of their own feces and vomit. This symbolizes the value of the words that they spew at other people. I think this might be where the expression, "You're full of shit," came from. Think about it; you say that to people whom you think are lying to you, and this is in the Spiral of Fraud.
Incidentally, this punishment was referenced in a Turkish horror film called Baskin -- a film about a small group of off-duty police officers who crash their car and wake up in Hell. In that film, the main characters realize they're in Hell when they find demon raping someone, while shoving her face in a bowl of her own face and vomit. Baskin is not a part of this HC, so I'll have to talk about it later. For now, I'll just say it's one of the best horror films I've ever seen!
In the third spiral, those who joined the Catholic Church for their own personal gain are buried head first, with their feet sticking out in the air.
In the fourth spiral, fortune tellers have their heads turned backwards. This prevents them from looking forward, symbolizing their attempts to see into the future.
In the fifth spiral, the sinners are repeatedly dipped in boiling tar. This scene is especially interesting because it shows that the demons we see aren't actually monsters. They're just creatures doing their jobs, punishing sinners. In fact one of the demons named Malecoda assigns a group of demons to help escort Dante and Virgil through the rest of the Malebolge. That, unfortunately, doesn't work out, however, because the demons are distracted by a sinner trying to escape, so Dante and Virgil move on alone. What's also unfortunate, is that other demons, who assume that Virgil and Dante are also sinners trying to escape, chase them into the next spiral. Luckily, each demon is confined to their own spiral, so they can't keep chasing them.
In the sixth spiral, the hypocrites are forced to wear robes made of solid gold. They also find Caiaphas nailed to the ground. As someone who has Jesus Christ Superstar on his top three list of favorite albums, I was happy to see Caiaphas get referenced.
In the seventh spiral, the thieves are bound by snakes, whose venom causes them to burn to ashes. One thief in particular gets attacked by a giant lizard that makes him into a lizardman (someone tell Alex Jones).
In the eighth spiral, the false advisors are eternally engulfed in flames.
In the ninth spiral, the sowers of discord are viciously mutilated. My favorite part about this scene is that it's one of the first instances of gore in a horror movie. The prophet Muhammad has been cloven from his belly to his throat with his guts spilling out all over the place. That's right! Muhammad is depicted in the Inferno. Not only that, but Gustave Dore drew him. Damn. Dante has no chill. Hey, the founder of the most homophobic religion in the world rots in eternal Hell? I'm not complaining! This kinda makes up for the portrayal of suicide victims.
In the tenth spiral, the falsifiers are punished with enternal leprosy.
At last, we make it to the Spiral of Treachery, at the center of the earth. Here, the traitors are frozen within the Lake Cocytus.
"Lo! Dis Himself!
Emperor of the Kingdom of Woe"
Finally, at the climax of this horrific epic, we see Satan, and it's not what you're expecting! He is in the very center of the lake, frozen up to his waist in ice, and forced to eat the three greatest traitors of all. His body is covered in course fur, and he has three heads and six wings. Satan's appearance in this story is disarming and almost pathetic in a way. You'd imagine Satan to be this fearsome king, but he's just shown to be suffering like everyone else. It's kind of sad, really.
The film ends with Dante and Virgil climbing down Satan's leg fur and ending up at the base of Mount Purgatory.
L'Inferno is one of the first true masterpieces of horror! It's hard to believe that this movie is almost 110 years old! Just think of how it would have been to see it in theaters for the first time when it was new. We owe it to this film for proving the language of Cinema could be used to tell the most epic stories possibly conceived.
You can watch the film for yourself here:https://youtu.be/cMUPbPOGPdM
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Now, you're probably thinking, "What the Sam Fuck does any of this have to do with Devilman Crybaby?" Well, for starters, in Go Nagai's original manga, the character Asuka Ryo implies that Dante's Divine Comedy might have been based on a true story. This is futher validated when the demon Xenon appears and bears a strong resemblance to Dante's description of Satan. But beyond the surface-level details, let's discuss some of the deeper implications of what Hell actually is. Within this headcanon, the Afterlife is an entirely separate dimension, occupying the same space as our Earth, but invisible to our eyes. There is a way, however, to see and explore this separate dimension. You see, when different dimensions intersect at certain angles, they sometimes leave gaps through which we can come through and cross over to the other dimension. It was through one of these gaps that Virgil was able to find Dante. These angles and gaps between dimensions will be further explored in a later film.
#dante's inferno#dante's divine comedy#l'inferno#devilman crybaby#devilman crybaby headcanon#Youtube
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fre ns.... BUDDIES........ hi
Here it is: Ham Time.Â
The Lost Light crew is big on movie night, we all know this. But when Jackie Chan and Spy Kids are no longer enough, itâs time for the squad to come together and make their Own Movie.
Presenting:
THE ZOMBONI: A LOST LIGHT PRODUCTION
A determined private investigator (Nightbeat) follows someone he suspects of being a zombie murderer onboard the cruise ship Lightanic. His suspicions are confirmed as passengers are discovered dead.
He teams up with the shipâs chief of security (Ultra Magnus), a helpful bartender (Swerve), a cheerful janitor (Rodimus), and an angry cowboy (Whirl) in order to find the culprit before itâs too late. But it soon becomes apparent that not everyone can be trusted.
CREDITS
Written by: Drift and Frend
Directed by: Drift and Frend
Special Effects: Brainstorm
Whirl Voiceover: Rung
Private Investigator: Nightbeat
Chief Security Officer: Ultra Magnus
Janitor: Rodimus
Cowboy: Whirl
Bartender: Swerve
Victim #1: Tailgate
Security Officer/Victim #2: Drift
Victim #3: Brainstorm
No: Cyclonus
REACTIONS
Movie nights can be pretty crazy. In this particular instance, you all are watching a Lost Light Original production. A lot of work has been put into making it, and itâs very exciting!
Rodimus: Kinda smug because he's the star. 10/10 Rodimus stars, would watch again.
 Ultra Magnus: Sighs and fidgets uncomfortably in his seat because it's kind of a trainwreck and he has Regretsâą. Â
 Drift: He thinks itâs a great testament to how hardworking the Lost Light crew can be, but sighs when everyone laughs at what was supposed to be a serious scene. (He co-wrote the script, after all. It kinda hurts. Friend pats his hand.)
 Whirl: Gets increasingly agitated because most of his lines were cut out and redubbed. You didnât see them redubbing Nightbeat, did you? (This mostly being because Nightbeat actually stayed pretty close to the original plot and Whirl decidedly Did Not). Complains Very Loud. 1/10 stars. Let him speak, you cowards.
 Swerve: Nonstop commentary and very loud laughter. This right here? Cinematic masterpiece and he Will recommend it to everyone, and he Will demand that it be played at all movie nights for the foreseeable future. Just look, heâs on TV! (probably makes a themed drink based off the movie as well. maybe even shirts!)
 Nightbeat: outright refused to read the script and just did his own thing; he was gonna solve the mystery All By Himself. He points out plot holes (both in-character and as he sits watching the finished product).
 Megatron: He just. Doesn't understand what the point of the movie is but he can't stop watching. what is this. the decepticons were never like thisÂ
 Rung: He did the voiceover for Whirl when he went off-script, and is pleasantly surprised that his name is spelled right in the credits (courtesy of human buddy!). He's one of those people that stays for the credits.
 Brainstorm: Proud of the special effects; he did very good. Good job, Brainstorm. (Did you see that explosion? Amazing! It wasn't part of the script, but still)
 Tailgate: Heâs having a lot of fun with watching. He played his role of Victim #1 very well, it's just so sad he cry. (And that moment where the movie cuts to Cyclonus saying ânoâ... what a mood)
 Rewind: If you sit next to him, he'll quietly tell you behind-the-scenes facts every now and then.
 Cyclonus: Perplexed and a little miffed because he had made it clear he wanted no part of the movie and heâs there for a scene anyway???Â
 Getaway: Seems stoked about the whole thing, telling everyone what a great job they did, even if he's secretly salty they didn't invite him to be a part of the movie making process. Why not? He would've been a great lead.
7 THINGS YOU NEVER KNEW ABOUT ZOMBONI
Article by Max Well
- In the film, the masterfully executed plot twist is that the janitor (Rodimus) was the Zomboni all along. This was almost not the case, though, since cowboy actor Whirlâs adlibbing turned into a massive fingerpointing and scapegoating session (âMaybe weâre ALL the Zomboni! Maybe the Zomboni is the FRIENDS we made along the way, huh?!â to which Rodimus completely skipped over all the foreshadowing and retorted âSHUT UP WHIRL IâM THE ZOMBONIâ) that would have ended in a real duel âcowboy styleâ if Magnus hadnât broken character and intervened
 - In a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of Tailgate dying in the hallway, there is a point where all of the garish fake energon he is covered in suddenly vanishes. This is because the real janitor of the Lost Light came and cleaned up the mess in the middle of the take, and it was removed in the final cut.
- Budding actor Cyclonus stole the show with his iconic one-liner in response to Tailgateâs death, âNo.â When inquired about his inspiration for the emotionally-charged line, actor Cyclonus stated that he had never agreed to participate in the filmâs production in the first place, and that it had just been his response to the question, âDo you want to be in our movie?â edited in without his consent.Â
- Actor Swerve was known for halting production mid-take to ask questions about his characterâs motivations. (âSo in the interest of believability, why am I running down this corridor again?â âBecause youâre getting chased by a murderer? Is that incentive enough?â âYes, but why this corridor?â)Â
- Observant viewers will notice that throughout the film, not a single informal slang word is used. This is because Ultra Magnus took it upon himself to proofread the script once it was complete and ensure that it was professional.
- Whirlâs character underwent the most growth from the filmâs conception to release, going from âangry cowboyâ to âtender and compassionate cowboy.â This change is owed to Rung dubbing over the original name calling and heckling with much kinder lines. Â
- Special effects coordinator Brainstorm doubled as one of the victims of the Zomboni - a kindly and ethical doctor who seems to know that the janitor may not be what he seems. All of his lines directed at Rodimusâ character - such as, âyouâre looking a little under the weather, friendâ - were ad-libbed, âjust to add a little pizzazz.â
#transformers headcanons#tf headcanons#maccadam#mtmte rodimus#mtmte nightbeat#mtmte rung#mtmte tailgate#mtmte cyclonus#mtmte whirl#mtmte swerve#mtmte brainstorm#mtmte rewind#oh dear hello!#mtmte ultra magnus#mtmte drift#mtmte megatron
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Furutod vs Sebastyun
Dear @gisellehexen89,
First of all, I am very happy you seem to be enjoying my blog! And thank you for the interesting ask.
I think the best way to find out what âElisabethâ is is to read up on it, or watch it yourself; it is impossible to explain everything in a post. After having learned what the musical is about, and youâre interested in how TOHO staged it in 2019, I recommend reading my full art reports:ăACT 1ă and ăACT 2ă. These two reports also show my general thoughts on Sissi (^Ï^)
Now instead, I shall dedicate this post to making a comparison between Furutod and Sebastyun.
Furutod vs Sebastyun
When Furukawaâs role as Der Tod was initially announced, most people believed he would be very similar to Sebastian. It is an easy trap: both characters are non-human, have very little scruples, are fiercely attractive, and the theme of obsession is omnipresent.
But honestly, thatâs it. Thatâs all the similarities these two share.
1. Status
The biggest difference between Furutod and Sebastyun is their status. Furutod is the Lord of the Underworld (é»æłăźćžç), and absolute authority over life and death of all that is alive. Sebastian meanwhile, is bound to servitude who cannot even wield full autonomy of his own. Needless to say, their difference in power status decides everything in their respective behaviours.
1.1. Sebastian
Let us look at Sebastyun first. All three Kuromyus from the Furukawa era show very clearly that Sebastian is very limited in many fields, but the difference between the âmask of the butlerâ vs âthe raving demonâ is clearest in âTango on the Campaniaâ.
In the scene with Edward, we see the boy pulling rank on âa mere butlerâ. Edward was basically threatening O!Ciel using Sebastian, while hiding behind the face of âa loving brotherâ. There was nothing Sebastian could do as a mere servant, so he very explicitly checks first whether Edward had left, before he could show his true reaction: âwhatever.â
In the cinematic record too, Sebastyun clearly disagreed with what his master demanded of him, and he only showed his BIG ATTITUDE after the boy had left.
Likewise, as explained in this post, because Sebastian is always bound to servitude, his autonomy (or whatever little he has) is something he treasures a lot. His only outlet of freedom is being pedantic and obtuse. Sebastyun takes it a step further by being passive-aggressive on top, a trait Furukawa has made his Sebastian famous for.
Obviously Sebastyun sees fun in doing so, but this is undeniably the result of a long history of getting his autonomy denied. He is the servant in the shadows who needs to wield power within other peopleâs boundaries.
1.2. Der Tod
As I mentioned above, Der Tod is the Lord of the Underworld, and as Furukawa himself interprets, represents the authority over both life and death. He never has to ask for a âyesâ, other peopleâs consent or opinions are non-consequential to him. He takes lives because he can, and nobody can punish him for it.
Being an existence who never needs to learn accepting a ânoâ, he does not need to put up a face, because he never needs to make compromises. Der Tod is SO used to getting his way, that teasing the possibility of ânot getting his wayâ is even a game to him.
1.3. Comparison
Sure, Sebastian also teases and pushes his limits sometimes, but unlike Der Tod, Sebastian does have to consider having to reap what he sows. If Sebastian fails and breaks his contract, surely something terrible awaits him. But Der Tod? Nah... his Death Angels will clean up his mess.
Der Tod can afford to make mistakes in playing with his prey, unlike Sebastian. In The Last Danceâ, we see Furutod make the biggest miscalculation; scaring Elisabeth. Had he not scared her, then Elisabeth might have been quicker in agreeing to die for him.
Unlike Der Tod who has minions to clean up his mess, Sebastyun does need to make careful calculations.
2. Understanding and Interest
Another major difference between Der Tod and Sebastian is their understanding of and interest in human beings.
2.1. Sebastian
The thing Sebastian keeps saying is how interesting humans are; Sebastyun is the scientist always hungry for more knowledge, and humans fascinate him to no end. In âTango on the Campaniaâ even with debilitating pain, he was smiling with the excitement at human behaviour.
He also makes use of whatever knowledge he has acquired throughout his centuries on earth to get what he wants or needs. Like I said above, at some point in history Sebastyun learned that fear would cause a human to shut down, so he was careful in not scaring Beast, lest she might not open up to him.
Had Sebas been a bit of a dumb-dumb and scared Beast the way he did in the manga, or the way Der Tod scared Elisabeth, then he would have failed his mission logically speaking.
2.2 Der Tod
Der Tod in contrast, always gets his way, so he does not need to understand humans to achieve anything. But more importantly, he is superbly uninterested in understanding humans. The only reason he shows interest in humans is for himself; he wants to bend humans to flatter his own ego. âIf Elisabeth finally begs to die, then I AM the victor. If Rudolf commits suicide, then I manipulated him.â Der Todâs satisfaction is the goal of his actions.
As such, when Rudolf âHAD THE AUDACITY to bore LORD DEATHâ, he bitchslapped him before taking his life. When in the end Furutod did get Elisabeth, but not in a satisfactory way that assured his baby ego that heâs the winner, he was disappointed and lost all vitality.
To Sebastyun however, the satisfaction is a bonus: itâs nice to have, but itâs more important to get a job done.
3. Mannerism
Another point of difference is their mannerisms. Sebastian is a mere servant, and therefore needs to keep to the shadows. He usually tries (though fails) to adhere to the Victorian code of âservants should be like furniture, speak only when spoken toâ. (In truth, Sebastian talks way too much for a proper Victorian servant, but he tries! He tries. Give the butler some cookies for trying.)
Der Tod meanwhile, is the supreme overlord of all and everything, so he does not need to care about anything. Plus, he can turn invisible as he likes. Unlike Sebastyun who needs to suppress his laughter or any other commentaries, Furutod can get away with laughing like a f*cking hyena on crack during an Imperial wedding.
4. Ego
Lastly, another stark difference between Sebastian and Der Tod is their ego and their presentation of themselves.
4.1. Sebastian
In this post I explained how Sebastian is very willing to humble himself, to come in second place, or take whatever disadvantage voluntarily for the sake of achieving something he wants or needs to.
This is because Sebastian is very secure about himself, and the recognition of humans (cattle) means nothing to him. He does not need anybody to know how powerful he is, instead he takes greater pleasure in silently manipulating others, using humansâ own actions against themselves.
Yes, Sebastian does love to flex, but he does not do any of those things to increase his reputation. We can tell from Sebastian never lingering to check peopleâs oohs and aahs. Itâs like how when we impress a toddler with something easy, we usually wonât indulge in the kidâs praise because we donât feel an increase of social regard. Instead, the fact that the toddler is impressed with something so easy is more interesting to us.
Sebastianâs flexing seems more like an outlet because O!Ciel forbade him from showing his true potential, and it is frustrating to him. It is just like how we as (young) adults we are capable of understanding deep analyses, but get constantly told to read picture books, on top of also having be content with hearing: âhow amazing, you can read a picture book! You are astonishing!!đ±â
4.2. Der Tod
If Der Tod was not explicitly âdeathâ personified, I would say that Furutod is âhuge ego and diva complexâ personified.
Despite being a more elevated being than Sebastian (the scavenger demon) is as Lord of the Underworld, Furutod does like being praised. Der Tod is and will always be above human beings, and that is as boring a fact as water being wet. As I explained in Art report act 1, Furutod suffers from âlethal apathyâ, and in this sense he needs more than to know âthat mortals are beneath him, that water is wetâ. Furutod wants to know that the mortals fear him, and gets a kink out of mortals being on their knees for him. Der Tod is not just âdeathâ, he is the personification of âhuman regard of deathâ; and the fear of death, is what unifies human kind, after all.
Another point in stark contrast with Sebastian is that Furutod does have kin near him: the Death Angels. The regard of mortals is nice, but he also likes keeping his minions impressed, because his kinâs reverence also means something to him. It is almost like Furutod wants to justify why he should be superiour to the Death Angels (even though his position is never challenged). He just gets a REALLY big kink out of praise, okay? ( ÂŽèžïœ)
Furutodâs enormous ego also shows itself in his diva-ness. When he is courting Elisabeth for example, he is basically behaving like a peacock. He takes Elisabethâs hand and runs it through his silver hair, his ivory silken skin. âLook at me, feel me, human, I am SO drop dead gorgeous.â
Furutod also canât handle being lower than anyone; whenever he has the chance he will literally place himself on higher footing.
Contrast this to Sebastyun who is always very willing to put himself lower than others. This â would be UNTHINKABLE for Furutod.
5. Conclusion
In conclusion, besides the ânon-human character in a dark themeâ aspect, Sebastyun and Furutod really donât have anything in common.
5.1. Sebastian
The fact that Sebastyun is always bound to servitude whenever he is on Earth, and his lack of autonomy, shape his behaviour. His reputation on Earth has no meaning to him; Sebastyun is confident about what kind of Demon he is, and the opinions of âcattleâ are therefore insignificant to him. The only thing one must not challenge is whatever little autonomy he has left, and he will test and find the upper limit to wield it.
5.2. Der Tod
Furutod in contrast, only knows what it is like to be the most superiour being and never getting his authority challenged. He never had to learn to make compromises, nor does he ever have to deal with consequences. As such he is really a foot-stamping-toddler (Foot-stamping Der Toddler? Sorry.) with a toxic superiority complex and too much power.
Furutodâs supremacy is mind-numbingly boring to him, but there is no way to achieve something grander than what is already grandest. He is trapped in his own mind of toxic superiority and boredom, and will live the rest of eternity searching for entertainment. (It is kind of sad if you think about it......wait, Iâm feeling bad for Der Tod? Hmm Furukawa, you really did add a whole new page to the history of âElisabeth - das Musicalâ)
In short: where Furutod is eternally bored and has no prospect of getting sustainable entertainment, Sebastyun will always have something interesting he might run into.
#Furukawa Yuta#Yun#Yunbastian#Sebastyun#Furutod#Yuntod#Elisabeth#musical#Sissi#TOHO#Character analysis#Comparative analysis#Comparison#Kuromyu#Tango on the Campania#Noah's Ark Circus#The lycoris that blazes the earth#Dayum I feel a bit sad for Der Tod now XD wtf?
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Post TROS Meltdown
Disclaimer: these are my personal feelings for the series and may not reflect your opinions. I just need a space to say them. Thank you.
I went into TROS completely blind and with no doubt that Ben would live (due to reading hundreds of fan analyses and predictions based off TLJ and TFA) and I have to say I'm emotionally unsalvagable. Anticipation for this movie got me through the roughest year of my entire life and this heartbreak and loss is what I'm supposed to end off on?
Like the entire movie came out of the left field and body slammed me into the ground.
They did so many fake deaths that I stayed waiting long into the credits for Ben to come back.
I kept hoping for an final scene...
COME ON EVERYONE and I MEAN EVERY mainish or even side character GETS a HAPPY ENDING EXCEPT THE TWO PEOPLE THAT NEEDED IT THE MOST. THE PROTAGONISTS.
What is supposed to be the moral of the story here.
Star wars is a space fairytail about HOPE and LOVE. IT was supposed to be reverse anidala!!! THE BIG THING ABOUT THAT SHIP WAS THAT IT WAS A TRAGEDY.
THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPACTFUL REVERSE IS TO GIVE LOVE AN HAPPY ENDING.
DO YOU SEE THE HOPE IN MY LITTLE EYES. DO YOU?!? *incoherent sobbing*
(Please don't read if you are just going to counter it in the comments. This is solely a personal opinion meltdown and not an attack on anyone or anything. I'm not a words smith and this might come out like senseless rambling but this is a meltdown post hahaha *cries* )
The cinematics and the fighting choreography were incredible. But I went to see the HEART of SW. I went solely to see that happy reylo ending.
Don't even get me started on what they did with Rey (the whole point of her arc was that a nobody can still be stand tall, love, and be a hero)
And Kylo/Ben (can redemption is rewarded with non-death for once?!?) It wasn't even a necessary death! He didn't have to die saving Rey!! They didn't even get like 5 minutes together without fighting?!? Like TLJ set it up perfectly! (Ben defeats Palp with Rey's help and Rey is by his side as he turns back to the light)(How come she called him Ren the entire time until the last scene?! Wasn't she the one who believed most in him?!?). His death had little impact on the audience!! Because there was no previous set up of romance!! There wasn't even happy moments like anidala or hanleia had... There was just...an end in death.
And it wasn't even mourned properly. We only see Rey grieve for all of 2 seconds?
The kiss scene was amazing! The way Ben crawled back to his love was so emotionally powerful! HIS EYES WERE IN SUCH PAIN. Rey grinned! He GRINNED BACK! THEY KISS! HE DIES!! How come no one cared about him afterwards?!? Why is Rey just being like "eh alright thats cool dude".( in the theatre I was so ticked off when someone laughed when he was legit trying to crawl back with broken ribs and a leg) I think it came out so left field for the people who weren't reylo! There was like barely hints that they loved loved each other. (Literally Poe and that girl had more romantic time together!)
Or there were hints on Kylo's side but NOT ENOUGH ON REYs. She juat attacked him and attacked him for the whole movie. (Yes I get that she was "struggling with the dark side" or whatever but Kylo was struggling too and he physically never hurt Rey (beyond unintentionally emotionally)) it made me question if Rey even loved him anymore and that was a huge blow. I couldn't sense this girl at all. Like I thought her tears were for Leia and Not BEN who she Literally Just stabbed. That was how shocked cold I was.
(WHY WAsnt he allowed to "love" rey from the begining of TROS instead of just going back to TFA Style KYlo) (It felt so forced and awkward from how he was in TLJ, I kept feeling like Adam tried to salvage it but he had so few lines it was sooo hard (he did a great job with showing his love and redemption of Ben even with the lack of lines though))
NOW HERE IS WHERE IM TRUELY MAD.
What message am I supposed to take away from their love story?
That broken characters do not deserve love? That trying to change results ultimately in death? That you can only been redeemed in death? That your family is willing to help a random member from their enemies bloodline but not their own kid who still loves them very much he literally dropped his saber when his mom died and gets stabbed and he still turns back because of his dad's last words even though he's been mistreated and neglected by his family and manipulated and abused by palp! What was the point of Leia putting down her lightsaber if not to save her son's life?!? Not end it by letting Rey pick it up?!?
Its 2019! Stop making redeemed villains die because you are too cowardly to give them the hard recovery journey afterwards!
As an abuse victim I related personally to his character and I felt cheated because of how cheap his death was treated. The message I had hoped to take away from this work was that it's not too late to save yourself! You get to decide who you want to be, not destiny, not family, not a skywalker curse! You can change your life! Recover from your abuse and heal your damaged heart. Find your found family in someone who believes in you and loves you even when you are flawed. Your bloodline is irrelevant to how you are. You don't have to pay the price for your family's crimes because you are not an extension of your family's will. You are your own person. Keep your love even in dark times because your heart will save you. (Wasnt that the whole point?! Ben solo had a heart! HE HAD A BIG HEART. That was the cause of the whole internal conflict!?? What does it mean that his love for rey killed him(I dont care that its symbolic or whatever, he still died. Thats not a good ending because he literally wasn't shown with his family or even with Rey, he just disappeared ?!?)
Like okay maybe there is a "tenth movie" or book to revive him. Like the openness of the movie leaves that space. But it was a hurtful move because no one would expect that since the trilogy has ended. Everyone fully expected a happy ending to wrap up NINE MOVIES OF TRAGIC LOVE. I mean I'm all for redeemed Ben solo and I'm so glad they at least gave him that and Rey's kiss. I'm only going to rewatch those parts from now on. For me the movie ended when he smiled.
#the rise of skywalker spoilers#the rise of skywalker#reylo#long post#post tros screaming#tros spoliers#tros#spoilers#rey#kylo ren#ben solo deserved better#rey deserves better#wyv rambles
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Some expanded thoughts on FF7R under the cut [SPOILERS]
So! Overall I freaking LOVED the remake and I canât wait to see the rest! Midgar feels so alive and expanded, you really feel attached to everyone, itâs... muah! Honestly a lot of the points Iâm gonna make are more nitpicks than anything. I wonât make any commentary on the gameplay because I watched a letâs play instead of playing by myself(im broke and cant afford a PS4 and $60 game >_>)
So the designs are GORGEOUS... no, the entire GAME is gorgeous. Midgar looks so good and detailed, thereâs so much great implementation of color theory! Cloud is sooooo good looking!!! Barret and Aerith and Sephiroth are all GORGEOUS! Reno Rude Tseng and Rufus.. AAAA!!! The only slight complain I have is that- okay so Tifa looks AWESOME, but I honestly wish she wasnât so skinny. Like sheâs a melee fighter, but her waist and arms are so thin! I wish they gave her a bit more tone and muscle, but, oh well. I honestly canât stop staring at the character models they look SO good
Plot-wise, I really like most of the changes/additions they made! Especially with Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie. Theyâre wonderful and I love them and did I mention that I love them because theyâre just so dorky!!! And good!!!
Honestly, I like that Aerith is actually written to be likeable. I know that doesnât seem like much but a lot of games fall into the trap of telling you that youâre supposed to like the female protag(looking at you, Breath of the Wild) or tell you that sheâs a strong character, but they fail to show that, so the player feels like theyâre just being told to get attached. Aerith, though, is actually really likeable in this game!!! Sheâs cute and down-to-earth, really dorky and even snarky, easily seeing past Cloudâs tough-guy act, and she can fight! Itâs just so nice to see a game that shows a strong female protag instead of just telling you.
Legit everyone is horny for Cloud and Iâm so here for it
Okay so like. I love Roche. I didnât at first but he quickly grew on me. Heâs so awfully chaotic and I just- I love him. Iâm mad that he was just kinda forgotten, though. Like! He couldâve shown up at the ending chase!!!
THEY REALLY WROTE HOJO TO BE AS CREEPY AS POSSIBLE HUH. Like Iâm not complaining because like heâs basically the reason why everything happened, but! Ahhhh he makes me squirm heâs a creep with a gross science fetish and I wanna stab himmmmm
Okay so. President Shinra is a little bit TOO stereotypically evil? Like having a gold statue of himself and not even caring about sabotaging one of his own reactors when one little console gets destroyed??? Like itâs almost comical how evil heâs written to be. Though, I do like the scene where he calls Barret out on his ideals, that was neat!
Nowww, Heidegger Scarlet Palmer and Reeve? MUAH. Heidegger and Scarlet are written so sadistically but like in such a likeable way, especially Heidegger. God I hate them both but you just love to hate them!!! Palmer is HILARIOUS- I love how heâs written to be the spoiled kid whose parents forced the other kids to include him so heâs just there even though he doesnât do anything. And Reeve? Well...
SO REEVE IS MY FAVORITE ATM SINCE WE DONâT HAVE VINCENT YET, AND REEVE IS JUST... <3 <3 <3 Okay so first off, his design is perfect. He doesnât really stand out in the same way that Heidegger Scarlet and Palmer do. He just has a normal build, normal suit, normal hair slicked back- he just looks like a normal employee, totally inconspicuous... which is very fitting considering how he ends up being undercover and needs to look inconspicuous ;)
Though Reeve shows clear signs of overworking himself and being emotionally abused by his coworkers which... sucks. I mean itâs good writing but I feel so awful for him- Like you know itâs bad when someone just has to hold up a hand to get you to shut up and sit down. I like that he tries to do good things but steps down when heâs told to, that heâs empathetic but cowardly. It does a great job at setting up his character arc in future chapters <3
Okay so one thing- I thought the build-up for the plate dropping was amazing, but honestly... the plate itself falling was slightly underwhelming, to be completely honest. Like- I just didnât feel the impact that a plate falling would have! Mainly because, you donât see a single death which is interesting. Like you see people running from falling debris, but legit not a single death is implied. Honestly? I thought the scene would have been far more impactful if they showed:
Seventh Heaven actually being destroyed
The people topside reacting to the ground beneath them collapsing and them falling to their deaths(They only tried to evacuate Sector 7 slums! Not the topside!!!)
More people actually being implied to have been crushed(No, Im not counting Wedge). Like in the original FF7 thereâs a scene where someoneâs watching tv and you see the plate falling from outside the window- and thereâs a reporter just doing his normal shit before he suddenly looks up and things go to static- like- thats an intense scene and I wish the remake did more stuff like that!
They do great showing people REACTING to the plate falling which is why its so appalling to me that they dont show much of the actual devastation DURING plate fall
I LOVE that Cait Sith shows up at the plate falling! It shows that Reeve actually tried to warn people(something he asked to do and was denied earlier), even if he was too late. The only problem I have is that new players who dont know who Cait Sith is will be horribly confused as to who and why heâs there???
Also, when the crew goes back to Sector 7, you donât really... feel the impact right away. Keep in mind, an entire section of city just fell onto another section of city WITH the supports holding it up, there should have been way more rubble. Yet, the area where Seventh Heaven is just... looks like it was hit with a major earthquake. There should be way more rubble, like mountains of it. Itâs weird since the opening cinematic really captures the scope of how huge Midgar is, but the plate falling just doesnât really show the scope of how much devastation there was to losing an entire plate.
The scope of it is done a bit better when climbing up Sector 7, but I still feel like the weight and scope of destruction isnât lived up to its full potential.
Okay so- Wedge and Biggs. ... Yeah, it takes away from the impact of their deaths to have them not die. I mean, I canât make a total opinion on this just yet, because the other parts havenât come out yet, but... if FF7R is gonna keep them alive, they better have a good reason for it tbh.
They might have done a little bit too much foreshadowing with Cloud and Aerith? Like I like Cloud having memory issues, itâs kept pretty vague... but him going âMother?â with Jenova is a little bit too spoiler-y. Like yeah you gotta tease his whole thing but like- donât give it away this soon!!!
I also donât mind Seph showing up as much as he does. Like, in the original, you donât even hear about him until close to the end of the Midgar arc. Obvi since the remake ONLY covers the Midgar arc so far, I totally understand bringing him in sooner. Again, having the clones existing might be a little too spoilery for the big twists later on, but I can let it slide since itâs still treated as very âwtfâ and Iâm sure anyone new to the story hasnât put it together yet.
Did I mention how much I love Seph heâs so creepy and his eyes are gorgeous and heâs so intimidating by just being there
And the Whispers... I honestly didnât like them. I kept forgetting that they existed honestly. They just feel so... detached from the plot. I donât mind adding new content/story, but the Whispers just... didnât feel well-implemented. They also felt really campy towards the end. Like, the fact that they could un-stab Barret and shield Avalanche from car accidents while they were escaping? They were legit like âno you canât die even if you tried because fateâ and takes away any tension of the scene because... well, they know they cant die.
That being said, the ending was interesting. I uh. It was interesting! So they actually defeat fate itself in order to change... who knows what. The future, maybe even the past??? Iâve got many thoughts on this
If the future is changed, that can be exciting since people who know the originalâs plot wonât know whatâs gonna happen next so like- okay!
If the past was changed... yâall know Iâm talking about Zack. Was fate changed so that he could live? Keep in mind, we see Whispers surrounding Midgar before they dissipate and Zackâs like âohey did I get all of em?â, implying that fate would have forbade Zack from ever getting to Midgar. Having the team defeat fate means... Zack may have now reached Midgar.Â
Is alternate reality/timeline stuff going to happen now???
Cloudâs character revolves around Zack dying. Whatâll happen to Cloud now???
I feel so bad for people new to the plot who donât know who Zack is.
Nomura... you madman.
So with the ending... Nomura and Squenix is setting something up. Theyâre going for something huge. I uh. I fear, honestly! Because this could very likely get WAY too ambitious and WAY too confusing(Think Dream Drop Distanceâs bullshit plot), and could totally fall on its face and end up being Squenixâs biggest flop of all time. But... if this succeeds and they actually pull off whatever theyâre trying to pull... holy shit. I would be floored.
I honestly am a bit afraid that the plot will be too confusing for new players. Like- no one would know whats going on with Zack unless they knew the original plot, so like while this would be a great game for FF7 fans, Iâm really worried that it wonât be a good game for people new to the series.
Cloud in a dress is the greatest thing and Iâm so happy they kept that scene I love him so much the entire scene is so queer <3
But overall, despite some nitpicks, it was a SUPER SOLID game and Iâm soooo hype to see where they go with it! I wanna see Cait and Yuffie and Cid and Vincent!!!!!!!!!
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Holy shit. Iâve officially watched every single @therealjacksepticeye video on his channel. I canât believe Iâm finally completely caught up.
Story time, I got into jack when a friend in college showed me one of his videos. We watched an episode from an Outlast series on silent while the teacher was lecturing. By all rights I shouldnât have liked it, far too spooky and too âvulgarâ humour for my taste (at the time). But this boy intrigued my interest and I did what any sane person does when they find a creator they like, I went back and started watching from his very first upload. And I spiralled from there, watching his videos in chronological order. Tbh his early videos werenât that great, but it sure was nice to have the Survival Hunter keeping me company while I hid away from my six unknown roommates in my first year of school. There were some early series that I truly fell in love with, Donât Starve, Ib, Little Inferno. Along with the games that made me laugh super hard like GTA5, Skate 3, and Turbo Dismount.
Then I hit the âbooper dooperâ stage where I enjoyed watching Jack collab with other youtubers and rant over conventions. Channel milestones seemed like there were every third video and his content just kept getting better and better. This was also around the time I watched some of the big series like Undertale and Papers Please. I wasnât even there during the max hype for these games but boy was I hyped none the less. Eventually I couldnât hold myself back from keeping up with relevant games, so I started binging new series along with the old ones. I got to invest in Dream Daddy and Doki Doki Literature Club in real time. I remember being in my new and improved apartment while watching some of my favourite games like God of Boy, Detroit become Conner, and the new Spider-Man! I also kept up to date with watching live streams, especially the charity events. Itâs absolutely incredible all the money this channel has raised! Iâve managed to hold up my end for each charity and have gotten myself that shiny pin collection.
Jack had become such a part of my life that when he went traveling for his How Did We Get Here Live Show Comedy World Tour, do you have 90 minutes?, I just had to go. The show itself was such a fantastic experience!! I hadnât been more giddy for something in so long I was literally vibrating! I got to see the late showing in Toronto and I truly didnât want to see it end, so as a send off I actually got the crowd to start chanting PMA! Who knew it could be so fun to wield the power of 1000+ people?! I stuck around after the show and chatted with a few other fans who stayed late as well. I was over the top excited when Jack himself came outside and said hello to every single one of us who was still at the theatre. Iâm sure he was exhausted from doing two shows that day but I very much appreciated him still giving us some time. I happened to be the first one he talked to as I was on the end of our little circle and since I didnât want to take up to much time I quickly said hi, got a hug and let him move on. I can confirm that he gives fantastic hugs. But when everyone else started telling pieces of their stories and getting pictures I felt like I missed out. I was grateful that once he had spoken to everyone, he agreed to also getting a pic and a signature with me. That night became such a treasured memory.
And then the Jacksepticeye Variety Channel easily became some of my favourite content. Funniest Home Videos and Meme Time are still some of my favourite things to watch. I got so antsy to catch up, the months drew closer and closer to the most recent uploads while I watched that newer content. Resident Evil 2, Minecraft, Death Stranding weâre so much fun! I hooked it all up to my new tv in my third and current apartment. Until finally today, watching the most recent episode to date video, which was a beloved meme time.
What a fucking incredible journey this was. Over the past four years I got to watch Jack grow and experience so many different things along the way. I may have loved the green haired version of Jack, but I love the Gaelic Gladiator more. Itâs amazing to see what heâs done for himself and what heâs been able to accomplish throughout his career. From voice acting in games, to interviewing some of his favourite celebrities, to making quality narrative cinematics with his ego characters. And I myself have grown to! Iâve gone though three years of school, graduated and gotten my second degree. (Big Brain cus Iâve also gone to college, twice) And now Ive got my first job working as an animator in the gaming industry! I cannot express enough how much joy Jack has brought me over the years, he truly does feel like a long distance friend. I cannot wait to see what heâll get up to next and Iâm excited to come along for the ride! But what the fuck and I going to binge watch now?
Ps: This so happened to coincide with Jacks 30th birthday so HAPPY BIRTHDAY JACK!! Hope you have a good one!
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