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zosandaily · 1 year ago
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kookoofufu · 2 years ago
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Chopper and Zoro bro moments :)
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sunflowercider · 1 year ago
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javier learning about the ending spoiler at all is how the fourth spoiler could even happen in the first place. theres no goddamn way otherwise javier would agree to such a desperate plan
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lloydfrontera · 1 year ago
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Chapter 364 is finally on yonder. Now i wonder... how long would it take javier to finally accept lloyd's request? What would javier do after what he had done with his young master? The fourth ending is such heartbroken ending... especially if we analyze it...
surprisingly... not that long. especially when considering just what exactly lloyd is asking of him.
because. i think lloyd only decided to use the ending spoiler when his parents were murdered. terrible as everything else had been, despite the fact that the country was in ruins, that alicia herself was dead, he didn't really,,, consider the story completely ruined yet. he wanted to see things play out.
but then arcos and marbella are killed and... "That is when I learned that a person's life can be destroyed at lightning speed."
he buried his parents one day and the next he made javier kill him. at most it would've taken him a couple days to prepare everything for the funeral so i think he wouldn't have had more than just that time to convince him.
so. canonically. less than week.
as for what javier would do after killing his best friend, right after losing his family too,,, i really don't know.
the point of the fate restoration is to make javier take up the protagonist role once again and embark in his journey as the main character. and with every other spoiler yes i can see it. tragic as they were, i do see javier picking up the pieces of his heart and going off to help others like he did in the original novel.
but this spoiler?? i don't know if he could. it's one thing to lose everything by circumstances out of his control, horrible as it was, terrible as being incapable of saving them would've been, he would still have the knowledge that it wasn't on him, it wasn't his fault beyond not being good enough to protect them. but in this one, it's his hand that cuts down the last member of his family. it's him killing his best friend and the person he cares the most about. and if he continues on living after killing lloyd, then he will never know if it was worth it. he will never know if worked or if he just murdered his young master for no reason.
and i don't know if he could go on after doing that.
but. javier is doomed to survive. to be the last one standing. if nothing else, fate will make sure of that. however it achieves that doesn't really matter as long as it gets what it wants.
so. yeah :)
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booty-uprooter · 4 months ago
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hes just like me fr
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yayakoishii · 7 months ago
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the abandonment issues are bad with this one 😭
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and I'm weak for characters like that lawrd, I love Mephisto,,,
I'm very happy for him finally feeling wanted and needed– it is a wonderful feeling and the fact that Iruma sincerely wants everyone by his side makes it so much better because I know that it will end well.
Iruma makes greed feel like not a bad thing
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every-monkey-d-luffy · 7 months ago
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every-chopper · 9 months ago
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everysuigetsu · 8 months ago
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20001541 · 1 year ago
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scene takes on a whole new meaning when you realize sharing an umbrella is a common romantic trope in japan
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geoviki · 9 months ago
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Mo Guan Shan’s Big Feelings
Mo Guan Shan, resident tsundere of 19 Days, pretends to be tough and hard-hearted.  But he’s easily and frequently reduced to tears, as we soon realize.  In fact, he cries so often in the story that this post is pretty massive.
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MGS cries as a child, of course.  He’s in a clinic in his mom’s arms when She Li first becomes obsessed with him (ch 294).
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MGS has a bad dream about the day his dad told little Guan Shan he couldn’t come to the school’s robot fair (ch 392).
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MGS cries in other dreams too.  Soon after meeting He Tian, he has a sensual dream of being comforted in He Tian’s arms after being bullied.  Look closely – there are little tears falling as He Tian assures him he’s the “most invincible badass.” (ch 250)
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True to form, he cries in the Santa fantasy extra when his house is destroyed (ch 345).
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MGS cries when he’s frustrated, like in this episode after the play when he can’t untie himself to pee (ch 359).
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MGS is a weepy drunk as well.  After accidentally destroying Brother Qiu’s bike (ch 427), he drunkenly sobs in bed as he vows to somehow repay him. 
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Later, while MGS is still drunk, He Tian slips and falls while carrying him, ripping Mo’s pants in front of He Cheng (ch 429).  MGS cries from embarrassment.
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Unsurprisingly, MGS cries over his dad.  After He Tian unknowingly brings him to dinner at what is probably his father’s former restaurant, we see a young MGS in flashback crying in fear at the chaos around him.  Present-day MGS flees and He Tian finds him crying in the parking lot (ch 217)
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One of the more moving chapters shows MGS breaking down as he visits his father in prison for the first time (ch 240).
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MGS cries from sheer anger in several chapters.  The earliest is when He Tian forces an unwanted kiss on him as a misplayed joke (ch 174-175).  He Tian is taken aback by Mo’s strong, tearful reaction.  It’s probably the first time someone doesn’t try to placate He Tian when he’s being a jerk, and he begins to take MGS more seriously after this.
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MGS tries to end his friendship with He Tian after the school play that indirectly causes him to lose his meager job.  He Tian doesn’t help matters by waving money at him as they quarrel.  MGS weeps with anger and says, “Standing with you makes me feel like a failure.”  (ch 364)
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He cries in anger once more as he watches incredulously as She Li incinerates his backpack (ch 368).  (She Li seems to walk around carrying gasoline like it’s no big deal – what’s up with that?)
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MGS cries when he’s worried.  When he digs frantically through the mudslide during their ill-fated mountain hike, he thinks He Tian has been buried alive.  When He Tian calls out, MGS throws his teary self into He Tian’s arms (ch 329).
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MGS’s worry is clear when the last violent fight with She Li is finally over and He Tian has won (ch 408).  The battle was so fierce that by the end He Tian is crying too, and soon they’re embracing (I sense a pattern here!)
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MGS often cries when his emotions overwhelm him.  Early on, after MGS is rescued from the fiasco of agreeing to take the blame for a serious crime, He Tian tells him, “Don’t try to shoulder everything yourself.” (ch 188).  MGS tears up at the thought that someone like He Tian has his back.
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MGS ends up full-on sobbing in He Tian’s arms (again) when he finally admits why She Li has a hold over him: because of the homeless man who tried to kill him (ch 319).
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In one of the most traumatic scenes (and a personal favorite), both guys shed a lot of tears when He Tian finds him after She Li has tortured and burned him (ch 369-370).  These chapters mark a turning point in their relationship from friends to more.
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MGS is shown when he’s happy only once, and that memorable event will happen in their future: that Christmas night when He Tian returns and proposes with matching rings (ch 412).  Cue the waterworks!
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Thanks to all of the translators who provide the English versions of the story!
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lynn-tged-posting · 2 months ago
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TGED WEBTOON EP 182 SPOILERS AND THOUGHTS AND OH MY GOD TGED IS ON HIATUS IT WONT BE BACK FOR LIKE. SO MANY WEEKS WHAT. WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT. and more below the cut
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at the end of the ep it's revealed that THIS EP WAS THE LAST OF THE SEASON and that they're going on hiatus and the FINAL SEASON (FINAL???) will be returning may 30th (may 29th for those of us in the west),,,, THAT IS SO MANY WEEKS AWAY. 12 WEEKS AWAY I CANT TAKE IT. here's a part of the spread that . was promoing kinda. IM SO.
AAAHHHH WHAT AM I GONNA DO FOR THE NEXT- okay well i know what im gonna do. tged thursdays arent going away
ill say at the top while im here lol im gonna be reading the novel up to the point where the manhwa is at until the manhwa comes back!! so my liveblogs will continue as normal hehe - that'll start next thursday, and i will be reading to ch 364 over the course of,,, 12 weeks,,,,,,,, thats still so crazy long to me,,, THREE MONTHS,,,,
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frontera vs hell,,, frontera you better win or i will bawl and cry and sob and weep . IM SO HYPED THO,,, AAHHH!!
ok now to the thoughts on the ending spoiler ,,, hehe
the moment i got to this panel . i knew. famous last words lloyd. the even more fucked up part was that i was feeling the same way. like i knew that he would be in for a ride, but i was like "we've seen a good number of ending spoilers now,,, i am prepared for what we will face" especially since ending spoiler 3 was so ominous . BOY WAS I WRONG
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THE IMMEDIATE CUT INTO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ESTATE IS INSANE. right into it oh GOD AND LLOYDS EXPRESSIONS genuinely i loved all the expressions in this ep they were very good ,,,
and like the hell monsters too. actually fucking terrifying they look so otherworldly. THIS SHIT IS TERRIFYING,,, THEY LOOK HUGE
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i really really love the creature designs in the manhwa, as sparse as they are,,, they aren't terribly complex but they fit well,,,, and the designs of these guys here are . SCARY SCARY SCARY its like a fucking apocalypse. jesus. the design of these monsters made me think oh god theyre hell creatures esp w the focus on helkaros recently and i ended up being right on that these r all creatures from hell . SCARY
ALSO JAVIER GETTING FUCKING BLASTED DOWN INTO THE GROUND FROM THE SKY HOLY SHIT NOOOOO JAVIER!!! GET UP GET UP!!!! AHHHHH
i like that lloyd reacted so viscerally to seeing javier getting hurt like that. he knows that these are visions he knows that these things havent happened and yet he yells his name and races to him anyway,,,,,,
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AND THERE HE IS HELKAROS. honestly i didn't expect a full frontal assault like this, i figured helkaros would have tried to find a more efficient / hands free method,,, it could be that this attack takes place shortly after worthroad's attempt on the queen's life/sanity, but they managed to stop worthroad so helkaros decided "fuck it we ball" and went full firepower,,, the only reason i can see helkaros showing up personally like this is if lloyd Continues stopping helkaros' attempts to take lloyd, so i personally feel like we still have a lot of time before this happens (not a terrible amount tho,,, lloyd and javier still look to be the same age)
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helkaros only having a SINGLE scratch on him is. a terrifying implication. NONE of javiers other attacks worked,,, only one, and it was probably the one with the demon king's blessing considering the color of the would is similar to the demon king power color. javier at his strongest and he can only land a single strike,,, TERRIFYINGGGG
and heres javier,,, christ,,, the most battered and bruised ive ever seen him tbh,,, HE LOST HIS HAIR SPROUT IN THE WARRR NOOO
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javiers words indicate that helkaros did indeed come for lloyd,,, but that does make me wonder why the full frontal assault is necessary (especially since we see lloyd unscathed later). i think,,, helkaros is doing this to try and prove a point or something. and i think part of taking lloyd away is destroying what he holds dear so that he has nothing left,,, so that he gives up. ghhh,,,,
AND LLOYD'S REACTION TO THAT,,, AND TO HELKAROS ATTACKING JAVIER,,, AND HIM FINALLY REALIZING WHO THAT -1 IS REFERRING TO OH MY GODDD. HE LOOKS TERRIFIED. HE LOOKS FUCKING TERRIFIED
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i figured that the -1 would refer to javier (it has to refer to someone who isn't supposed to die, and as far as we know, tkobai javier is destined to be left last alive and alone as he loses all his loved ones and drifts off) but seeing the realization/confirmation that it Has to be javier that is the -1 is haunting,,, god he looks so fucking scared, and worried,,,,
the worry still sitting on his face too as the future version of himself rushes in, ohhh lloyd,,,
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here's the other part of why i think helkaros is specifically trying to force lloyd to give up ,,, bc helkaros succeeds. WAAAAHHHH TEARS CRYING SOBBING SNIFFLING
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kim suho,,, the most tenacious, hardworking, dedicated man we have ever seen,,, the person who always finds a way, the person who has saved everyone on this estate,,, IS GIVING UP. THAT'S. INSANE. HE'S SURRENDERING???
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"please forgive me" WHAT IS THERE TO FORGIVE? what has lloyd done? what does helkaros want from lloyd? we know the surface motivation of "oh, i want lloyd to work for me" but is there something more? okay, we know helkaros wants lloyd to Fully Give Up. he wants him to lose everything all over again. but is that all? why is lloyd giving up and begging for forgiveness?? pleading, begging, crying for mercy,,, oh my god. this is HAUNTING THIS IS HAUNTING. especially since he appears uninjured. i think helkaros put lloyd in a situation similar to the epic musical's Ruthlessness, where poseidon forces odysseus to watch almost his entire fleet fall. what conversation do they have,,, what lead to this? oh GODDD
EDIT - SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS THAT I FORGOT TO ADD ABOUT HIM CRYING/SURRENDERING!! a mutual of mine, when we had read the episode, was wondering if he was truly crying or if he was fake crying, and that got me thinking, so i'll paste what i said here:
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and the text in these msgs here, for readability:
the thing about the crying in front of the mermaid queen and raphael vs the crying in front of helkaros is the level of depth and severity; for the mermaid queen and raphael, there were only tears and words, and he never outright BOWED (for mermaid queen he was already "bowing" but jsut out of formality). nor did he plead to the extent that he did with helkaros, as when he asked raphael to stop he didnt offer surrender nor did he say he was in the wrong for opposing raphael. the thing about THIS cryin scene with helkaros is that he is begging, on his knees, bowing DEEPLY, apologizing, saying he'll give up he's done just please don't hurt the people i love,,,, we've never seen him do that before. we've seen him cry, we've never seen him surrender.
not once, not ONCE has suho ever given something up. when he wants to accomplish something, he goes for it with whatever means necessary. but now we see him at his wits end, pleading and begging. the most hardworking, relentless, tenacious man we know just gave up. THAT'S TERRIFYING
LIKE. KIM SUHO? GIVING UP? AT THAT POINT IT'S LIKE TRULY JOEVER.
ok end edit sorry HAHA i forgot to yap about this
AND THEN JAVIER REACHING FOR LLOYD STOP STOP STOPPPP AAAHHHH AAAHH I CANT TAKE THIS
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even when he's this fucking beaten up he's reaching out to lloyd im so. WHAT THE HELL!!! WHAT THE HELL. i saw this and fucking gasped oh my god. AND IDK ABT U GUYS BUT I FEEL LIKE ITS SIMILAR TO THIS PANEL OF LLOYD AFTER THE JEWEL OF TRUTH LIKE
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME. ARE YOU KIDDING ME the hand reaching out the claustrophobically close shot IM DONE FOR YOUVE KILLED ME
and then helkaros,,, kills lloyd,,,,,,,, i think this is bc helkaros wants to directly be there to grab lloyd's soul (aka suho). god this spread shot is so. OMINOUS AND SCARY the glow of the glasses and in the distance his HEAD IM SO??? WHAT THE SHIT
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it was pointed out too by one of my mutuals (saakokw on twitter) that lloyd's death is the exact same as lupellans, way back at the beginning; they both got beheaded,,, WHAT THE FUCK!!! INSANE INSANE INSANE CALLBACK jesus christ jesus christ
AND THE STORY RESETS? IT. AAHHH??? though i suppose it makes sense that, if we treat the story/lorasia as a program, it constantly running into bugs prevents the story from finishing,,, but fixing the bug means okay yay let's recompile and start from the top,,, something like that. idk,,,
but even though it resets suho doesn't get to "reset" with it . that's so fucked up. this panel and the closeup on his soul (RIPPED IN HALF???) is so fucking haunting holy fucking shit.
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this, genuinely, is probably suho's worst fucking nightmare. losing everything, AGAIN, and forced to work without a single shred of hope in sight, AGAIN. THIS IS NIGHTMARISH
my mind is stuck too on how he's just. in HALF. like okay we've seen full souls before (the og lloyd frontera) and while he didn't have legs either it wasn't like,,, this,,, it was just wispy and like, it was more at his waist than at the middle of the torso. however,, suho is genuinely just fucking torn at the middle there. oh my god.
my other mutual Sprout (javierscowlick on twitter) pointed out that this probably implies he tried to escape, and wasn't successful,,, ofc he would try to escape this is his personal hell for him,,,
that's his SOUL too, keep that in mind. his literal EXISTENCE is ripped in half. is he even conscious? does he remember anything? what did he lose from this? this is actually fucking terrifying . this isn't just losing parts of ur body, but probably parts of ur fucking MIND oh my god. brutal,,, so fucking brutal. HELKAROS EAT SHIT AND EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
something i am very happy to see (in the midst of all these scary terrifying implications) is that lloyd's first response after reaching the end of the vision,,, is anger. visceral anger.
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the reason im happy to see this reaction is bc it's not the reaction of someone who has truly given up on everything. he's angry and dissatisfied and upset about what he's seen,,, he's not even close to giving up! he's rightfully mad,,, helkaros has no right to take the things he's worked so hard to protect, to take the people he's come to love,,, he worked so hard for this he's not gonna lose it all again to an entitled hell god. GET HIS ASS!!!
this does make me wonder how they're gonna go about it,,, it has been mentioned that the other great powers of lorasia include the dragon king and the archangels,,, and he already has verkis on his side! technically. kinda,,, maybe that's the angle they need to go for? or maybe they need to find a way to appease / stop helkaros before he gets impatient enough to commit to a frontal attack,,, it's hard to say. there's not a lot of hints,,,
ok well actually there's a couple little things i wanna point out,,, the panel i put at the top of this liveblog is actually part of a really long spread that shows many of the character's we've met so far (plus javier and alicia) fighting against hell's monsters! it looks really cool (i really recommend looking at the full thing its pretty sick)
the monsters themselves look incredibly scary, almost alienlike or xenomorphic. it's completely opposed to the style of monster that would fit in the medieval fantasy europe type setting that lorasia is established to be,,, i think that works well with setting them apart from what they've faced before (like these are HELL monsters).
and at the top of the spread, we actually see something really big, and probably really significant: an eclipse!
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it could be that the eclipse is their deadline, or something like that. or maybe the eclipse is caused by whatever helkaros is doing,,, either way the emphasis on this is really important i think, a chekhov's gun imo - the adapter and artist likely wouldn't have put it there if it wasn't important. im so curious as to the significance of it,,,
,,, but we wont know til may 29th. AAAAAAAAAHHHHH AAAAAAA
what a cliffhanger right. insane . THIS IS THE FINAL SEASON TOO THATS CRAZY,,, we really are in the endgame now guys. HOLY SHIT.
i was told too that this ending spoiler was done completely differently from the novel,,, makes me excited to read the novel,,, and also i am curious as to whether they will change even more beyond this point. either way,,, exciting,,,
i think that's all,,, it's been a really fun journey reading tged and i am super happy i decided to write my thoughts out on it as i read! i've never done liveblogs like this before but i am having a great time!!! and i hope everyone who has read them had fun too hehe
i will see u guys next week (or maybe this weekend, depends on how my work goes) with a post abt my thoughts on chs 1-30 of the novel (im starting from the top again since its been a while lol)!!! see y'all then!!!
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kookoofufu · 2 years ago
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Oda's comment from One Piece Color Walk 4 Eagle: It's King Sea Hippo! Looks like we know what's for dinner tonight! Everybody get ready to fight! Chopper and Robin are keeping their distance; they're just here to watch. On the distant shore, Usopp's brand new "Usopp Glidecycle" takes flight!
Nami: "To the left!" Whap! Usopp: "Look out, Luffy! Outta the waaay!!" So, what do you suppose tonight's dinner turned out to be?
Gotta love how Oda paints a scene! The right side of the frame is ready for action while the left side is just trying to make it out alive. Chopper and Robin are surprisingly calm; Robin looks annoyed that her nap was interrupted while Chopper is happily steering their little boat towards the sea king. Nami and Usopp are losing their minds and getting in the way, and the monster trio are having too much fun.
Fun little details: Usopp's Glidecycle has a second seat but Nami refuses to use it. Sanji is sitting on a green cushion and his sandals have a flower design. The hippo has crosses on its crown and Luffy's pants have a chain (usually Sanji's thing)
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sunflowercider · 1 year ago
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ch 364
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lloydfrontera · 1 year ago
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wait i thought the 3rd ending spoiler was the last 1, you mean there's gonna be 1 more and it's tragic? ackk what chapter is this gonna be
chapter 364
have fun :)
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zaenaris · 1 year ago
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I think that Akane died when she was 16, she didn't look a lot older than that.
Since she is 6 years older than Koko and Inupi, it mean that they would have been 11 for Koko and still 10 for Inupi, at the moment of the fire, few days before Inupi's 11th birthday.
Because if Koko was 12 and Inupi 11 (or already 12), Akane would have been 18. So almost adult. And she doesn't look like a adult.
So i bet that she was 16/17, second or last year of high school, and that the boys were 11 for Koko, et almost 11 for Inupi. And they had still a year to do in elementary school.
Akane stayed in coma for few weeks, months. Inupi had already his short hair that he had in Shinichiro's ship when Izana visited him, Inupi and Koko had already grow up to look more like teen than that children. I think that they had already started their last years in school for some weeks when Akane died.
Koko was just a kid, he didn't manage to have enough money to help Akane in a so short period of time but he had enough time to get a reputation and having still a lot of money
But It couldn't have been only few weeks. It must have lasted for few months, maybe 6 months. Inupi has just a shirt when he call Koko to tell him, so it was warmer outside. Maybe it was summer or end of spring.
After that, Inupi was in 8th Black Dragon, then in 9th Black Dragon, then send in juivie.
Inupi is older than Mikey for a year. He was 13 when Mikey was 12. When Mikey beats the Black Dragon, it was almost his 13th birthday. And Inupi was in juivie at this moment. We don't know the date of his liberation but it was after Shinichiro's death, so after Mikey's birthday. He was 14 at this point. 16 in the BD Arc. and 18 in Mabu Arc.
So he must have been almost 11 when the fire happened, had spent his birthday at the hospital and Akane "survived" for at least 6 months, while Inupi was in his last elementary school year. Inupi has been send in juivie during his first year of middle scool and got released during his second year. But it must been less of a year in reform school.
Koko is few months older than Inupi, since he's born in April. But they are in the same year. So Koko was already 11 when the fire happened.
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Yeah, I agree that Akane could have been 16/17 when she died, for sure she was still in high school given her uniform, but she's 5 years older than Inupi (ch.158)
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also Inupi is older than Koko!
Inupi is born on October 18 1989, while Koko on April 1, 1990, but they're in the same year at school because of how the Japanese scholastic system works (there was a typo in the first character book, the official twitter made a post to confirm that). Inupi, Koko and Taiju are all in the same scholastic year. If Koko were born on April 2, then he would have been a year younger! (school years start on April 1 and ends in March and kids has to be 6 already to start school, they cannot be, let's say 5 and 364 days old lol, at least, this is what I understand, this system is a little tricky for me, it's very different from the one used where i live lol)
We don't know exactly when the fire happens, but since they have long sleeves with no coat it's probably autumn or spring. And unfortunately we don't even know how long she stayed in coma, but i agree some months could have passed. Here Koko says 1 month was passed since the fire (ch.159)
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so either she dies after 1 month of coma (and in the meanwhile Inupi also gets out of the hospital), or some generic amount of time passed, no more than a few months tho. I agree with you, I feel some months should have had passed in order for Koko to start making some money
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(lol Inupi is calling from a public phone, how does Koko knows it's him??)
In chapter 81 Chifuyu says that 2 years before (so in 2003 since in ch.81 it's the end of 2005) there was the new born Toman (that was created to help Kazutora) vs Black Dragon 9th generation, that was lead by Madarame Shion, but there was no Inupi around in the extra chapter from the DVDs, later reunited in the full color volume "Stay Gold"
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Inupi is older than Mikey for a year. He was 13 when Mikey was 12. When Mikey beats the Black Dragon, it was almost his 13th birthday. And Inupi was in juivie at this moment. We don't know the date of his liberation but it was after Shinichiro's death, so after Mikey's birthday. He was 14 at this point. 16 in the BD Arc. and 18 in Mabu Arc.
Yes, Mikey is born on August 20, 1990, so since Inupi is not around when Toman vs 9th gen BD happens, we can assume he was in juvie at the time, in 2003, and it is heavily implied he was in juvie, since he asks for confirmation here (I mean, he could be just Wakui giving us some context + inupi finding a way like another to introduce the "i want to recreate the gang" topic, because i doubt Inupi would have waited to get out of juvie to get info about his beloved gang)
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I agree that Inupi probably didn't spent more than a year in reform school (i mean, Tora didn't stay long in juvie the first time, when he killed Shin) But when Inupi is released from juvie he's in his 3rd year of middle school -but we don't know what time of the year was, the only hint is that Koko's uniform was not the summer one- and 9th BD was no more(ch.105)
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I mean, depending on when the fire happened, Inupi could have spent his birthday at the hospital, it's a possibility. Unfortunately, Wakui has been quite vague with the dates, so we are sure Inupi and Koko were in elementary school when the fire happens, that Koko is younger than Inupi, the year of release from juvie of Inupi, but the rest is up to our imagination I guess
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