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[tjeromebaker]

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[imjustanobsessedgal]

For me, it’s being able to express whatever I want to express in the other language. That’s not to say I know every word, but through circumnavigation I can get whatever point that I want to make across.

In my mind, being able to hold a conversation/get around would be labeled “conversational”. But that’s just the definition that I came to for myself through my language learning journey

how well do you need to speak a language in order to call yourself bilingual/trilingual/etc? completely fluently, or does the ability to hold a conversation/get around in a country that speaks it count?

[hungwy]

JLPT N3 is comparable to CEFR B1; JLPT N2 is equivalent to CEFR B2, and JLPT N1 basically requires the same skills as CEFR C1. but consider the fact that to get to JLPT N1, the highest level of fluency for the most popular Japanese proficiency test, you need, on average, starting from no knowledge of Japanese at all (including kanji), 3000–4800 hours. to get to CEFR C2 in German, that being the highest level of the most popular framework for measuring European-language proficiency, you should study around 750 hours, maybe more. mind you this is measured with monolingual native English speaker -> target language perspectives in mind, but still, like, what the hell man. look at the requirements:

CEFR C2 (750-900 hours in German): "[understanding] with ease virtually everything heard or read … [and expressing oneself] spontaneously, very fluently and precisely, differentiating finer shades of meaning even in the most complex situations."

JLPT N1 (3000-4800 hours): "able to read [various and profound] writings with [logical/abstract] complexity … [and] comprehend orally presented materials [in a wide variety of settings] … spoken at natural speed … [and] also able to understand the details … such as the relationships among the people involved, the logical structures, and the essential points."

if you study German well for 3 hours a day, every day, nonstop, until you hit the 750 hours of study for CEFR C2, you're more than fluent in 250 days. okay, the US State Department says you need 900 hours, so the time it takes to become fluent changes to... oh... 300 days.

if you study Japanese well for 3 hours a day, every day, nonstop, until you hit the 3000 hours of study for JLPT N1, you're more-or-less fluent (not even definitively!) in 2.7 years. for 4800 hours it takes 4.3 years.

and studying 3 hours a day every day is basically unreasonable for most people! not to mention "real language heads" study for 10 hours a day. a regular person would probably do about an hour or two a day, right? and probably have weekends where studying doesn't happen. so let's say 2 hours a day, monday-friday; 10 hours a week. with 52.14 weeks in a year, you get about 521.4 hours of studying in per year.

with this regimen you achieve considerable German fluency in about a year and a half of study, and are probably on the same level as university students. the same habits will get you high-school-level Japanese fluency in 8 years.

now obviously all this assumes a lot: consistent learning ability, consistently paced lessons, not skipping any days, not forgetting anything, etc etc etc. but i think these numbers more or less hold

[plumec0rbeau]

Bonjour!

ça va?

(also how do you figure out your cefr level)

Coucou! Ça va bien! Et toi?

(I’d suggest looking it up on Google. A1 is like really beginner and stuff. A2 is like you can have basic conversations. Idk what anything past that is but C1/C2 is fluent)

[totally-sapphic-posts]

Do you have any tips on language learning? I'm currently learning french and spanish by myself, (only know english and portuguese) and find the letter so hard even if it's so close to my mother tongue

Yes! So, it’s really important, if fluency is your goal, to hear/see the language at least once a day. Follow a page in the language (not a language learning one) and read the posts, read the comments. For speaking, you can listen to podcasts. Even if you can’t catch all the words yet, listen to basic/learning podcasts. To start off, listen to A1 or A2 level podcasts. Or watch YouTube videos.

The first time you listen, you’ll probably only understand a few words here and there. That’s okay, don’t be discouraged.

If you’re using duolingo to learn, try download a grammar book for the language, and anytime you get confused, check the book.

If you’re learning from a book, I really liked Duo for vocabulary and just hearing the language being spoken. Duo starts off with the audios being quite slow, so you can build up to the speed native people speak.

Using the CEFR levels, there’s A1/A2 (beginner), B1/B2 (intermediate), C1 (advanced, fairly fluent), C2 (native level fluent).

Once you’re at B1/B2 start watching tv shows in your target language, maybe reading your favourite book in that language (if it’s available), watch videos that aren’t focused on teaching the language. And if possible, make a friend who speaks the language (preferably native).

[thethirdromana]

Because I've seen a few polls going round about how many languages people speak:

Options borrowed from the description of CEFR levels here.

I'm curious to know how this relates to where people are from and the languages that they speak, so do share that in the tags if you'd like.

[vibinwiththefrogs]

January Language Media

This year every month I'm going to update with what media I'm using to learn each language, and I'll try to update & rate when finished. Languages are listed in order of focus, this month I'm focusing on Korean the most. My CEFR levels are guesstimates.

Korean (~B2)

전지적 독자시점 (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint) webtoon: On chapter 7, no particular goals

커피 프린스 (Coffee Prince): On episode 11, goal to finish by Jan. 9

날씨가 좋으면 찾아가겠어요 (When the Weather is Fine): Not started, planning to get to page 46 (ch. 5) by Jan. 9

German (~A2)

Die Heiland: On episode 2, no particular goals

Boyfriends (webtoon): On chapter 48, goal to finish by the end of the month

Vocabulary: I'd like to try to consistently review vocabulary from these two resources. One has very casual language and the other has more professional language. I have a good basis in German for grammar/syntax, but poor vocabulary.

Japanese (~C1)

One Piece (manga): On chapter 54, goal to get to chapter 150 by the end of January

No Activity: On episode 2, idk if I really like it but its only 6 episodes. Goal to finish by Jan. 9

[mehilaiselokuva]

Okay, I need this info to make relevant content for you guys! You can answer even if you don't follow me or anything (why aren't you following me yet🤨) , as long as your native language isn't Finnish!

[salvadorbonaparte]

hey what are those letter-number combinations next to the languages in your profile?

i gather that they're proficiency levels or evaluations of some sort but i've never learned what they are or mean, and I don't even know what they're called

Hey thanks for reaching out!

These are part of the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages (CEFR).

The levels go from beginner over intermediate to proficient in the steps A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2.

Sometimes you will also see people add a plus to indicate they're on a threshold between levels (e.g. A2+ being someone between high beginner and low intermediate).

Sometimes you also see A0 to indicate a language someone doesn't speak or just started learning, i.e. a language where they're working towards A1. Honestly, it's not always entirely clear if someone means they already reached a certain level or they're working towards one.

For language courses I've also occasionally seen things like A1.2 or B2.3 to indicate that their courses are split into different units for each level.

If you Google the CEFR you can find some slightly different definitions and milestones for each level.

I hope this was helpful!

[alteratlas]

Where are we going with this?

Looking ahead to the summer season, I'm struggling to figure out what is reasonable to expect of myself goal-wise. Let's start off with how comfortable I feel with each language in general. I currently have self estimates on what my CEFR would be for each which I plan to break down later. (I'm not particularly a fan of how CEFR works but it's what I've seen the most on here.) I think I want my overall goals to be focused on the meaning behind those scores, particularly in reaching higher levels of comfort/ease when using said languages. Here they are in order of importance to me:

Arabic:  Currently - Between A2 and B1, closer to B1 Want to reach - Higher B1 or B2

Here I am counting Arabic mostly as FusHaa, Shammi, and Masri which make up most of the contexts I'm in. I'll probably do a focus on Yemni and Iraqi Arabic further in the future... Inshallah I'm feeling relatively confident in this since it is my highest priority. I want to reach the point where it feels easier to grasp new words from context and just soak the language in.

Spanish:  Currently - A1 Want to reach - Between A2 and B1, closer to B1

This one might be the most ambitious considering I have never studied Spanish before. I do think I have a leg up here vocab and speech wise compared because I already speak a Romance language, but the grammar portion is going to be interesting.

ASL:  Currently - A1 Want to reach - ?

ASL here is bit odd for me. I'm not sure if I should be learning American sign language or another signing language because I don't really know what region of the world I will settle in. Either way, I think it's a good introduction to HOH and Deaf culture for now that I hope to expand upon continuously.

Romanian: 

Currently - B2

Want to reach - Between C1 and C2

I feel relatively confident in this one despite it being so low on my priority list. I think the real challenge will be making sure to maintain practice with it rather than the difficulty of reaching the nuances of the higher levels.

------ I hope to return to this post at the start of September with joy. See you then future Atlas... Make yourself proud!

[therealvinelle]

do you prefer to write in english or norwegian? (((((also, what's ur level in english on european evaluation scale, if that's ok to ask?)))))

Really depends on what I'm writing, though overall I'd say Norwegian. There are some things that are better or easier said in English though, so sometimes I code-switch.

As for European evaluation scale, I'm assuming you mean the CEFR? My level is C2. I am able to express myself spontaneously and precisely, differentiate nuances, summarise complex information and understand virtually everything I read or hear.

Je vous ferai une example - j'ai passé mon DALF C1 en français, tant que je suis loin de courant. Si je serais moins qu'un C2 en anglais, je serais au même niveau qu'en français, c'est-à-dire, je ne serais pas capable d'écrire ni des fanfics ni des metas. J'écris cette partie en français pour démontrer que je peux m'exprimer en français (tellement que les gens me comprennent) mais personne ne me considérait courant.

(The above: a blurb in French demonstrating what a C1 level speaker looks like, since I'm a C1 in French.)

[xiangqiankua]

So I’m filling out a job application which has both English and Chinese, and in the section for language abilities the options to rank oneself are 基本 Basic  流利 Fluent  精通 Proficient and at first I automatically listed myself as Fluent in English and Proficient in my other languages before I realised it was a little strange for 流利 to be in the middle if it was the highest level. For comparison, the CEFR labels language stages as A Basic User (A1 Breakthrough, A2 Waystage), B Independent User (B1 Threshold, B2 Vantage), and C Proficient User (C1 Advanced, C2 Mastery), and the TOCFL equivalents are 「入門基礎級」（1級、2級）for A,「進階高階級」（3級、4級）for B, and「流利精通級」（5級、6級 ）for C. I know “fluency“ is often a murky concept, but I need remember that for bureaucratic purposes, “proficiency” is actually the final destination.

[morgenlich]

can i ask what resources you used for info on moving to europe? its something im considering and i have been doing research myself, but a lot of good advice was on reddit and im not really sure if reddit is still usable.

well, first i'll say that most of reddit is still usable to me so don't lose hope on that front!

there's not a lot of advice i can give in general, only wrt moving to germany because that's where i'm going specifically so i've been doing So Much reading the past few months from official govt sites more than anything else--tho regardless of what country you want to move to, govt sites with info on immigration are a good starting point.

tldr, more details under the cut:

-you're gonna need housing and health insurance

-you're gonna need to look into visas/residency permits (visas are for entry into the country, if you're from the US or Canada you probably won't need one) and their specific requirements

-ur nearest consulate is going to be a good source of info and point of contact

the first things, imo, that you need to know are:

1 do you need a visa to get in (if so, what kind, what are the requirements, etc)

2 steps for establishing a residency permit once you're there

and getting all your ducks in a row on those fronts (often the visa and residency permit will have the same requirements as each other from what i've noticed, though as a US citizen i haven't paid much attention because i don't require a visa to enter the vast majority of european countries). this is all info that will be available on official websites, including consulate/embassy sites. it may be helpful to start out looking for info on the site of the relevant consulate website, they will often include links to further resources, or just shoot them an email with questions you have if you can't find answers there.

but important questions for these:

-is there a language requirement? for example, in germany, to be able to work you need to be at a B1 level of german on the CEFR scale. C1 is required for university admissions. etc.

--is there a possibility of a language learner's visa/permit if you're not at that level? what are the requirements for that? (again with germany as an example: you will not be allowed to have a job while you have this residency permit and therefore must prove to the govt that you can financially support yourself for a year through a locked bank account with a minimum of around 11k euro in it).

-what additional documentation is required, besides just your passport? how do you acquire it?

--you will probably have to get passport photos taken again after you've moved because (i'm assuming anon is from the US but i'm sure this applies to other countries too) required biometric photo sizes vary by country and you will almost certainly need one for any residency permit or other documentation.

the other important thing will be securing housing, which gets to be a massive fucking pain when you live on the other side of the ocean. doomspiral and i lucked out massively finding a prefurnished place in berlin (which is an especially hard city to find housing in in general). you are just going to have to keep trying to contact places until someone actually responds to you, unfortunately. and, realistically, you're going to have to trust that the listing is actually accurate to what you saw on the website.

also, i know that in both germany and austria, once you've actually moved, you will have to register your address with the local government (like within a matter of days, this is not something you can put off literally at all), so look into if you need to do that and what forms are required if you do (i forget the reqs in austria, but in germany it's your passport and a specific form you and the landlord fill out)

european countries are going to require that you have health insurance. there are companies that cater specifically to immigrants and/or students (if you happen to be doing uni there--look into the student insurance it'll be much cheaper lol). try to familiarize yourself with the way the insurance system works; for example, in germany it's not unheard of for you to have a deductible (this is still going to be Much Cheaper than a deductible from an american company lmao). also in general it doesn't hurt to be aware of things like abortion and birth control access (fun fact! abortion is totally illegal in germany and has been since the 1930s and yes you are doing that math correctly about who put those laws in place).

i highly highly recommend putting together checklists of documents you need for each major thing mentioned here. also learn how to use excel to create budgets because it's a lifesaver lol

[adamsvanrhijn]

I'm the high school/college question anon. Thank you very much for the reply, that's really interesting to me! We don't have those kinds of separate tests here afaik, so I think you must go to high school and graduate both for college and to get into trade schools, too.

Can I ask what you majored (and minored) in when you went to college? Did you change your major/minor when you changed colleges or did you stick with the same?

yeah i think the usa is pretty unique in its test options you can take outside of going to school!

i ended up in linguistics and before that was across the board, like every semester i had a different major :'-) i was gonna do a French double major at one point because i only needed like 3 more classes but i opted not to because i just wanted to graduate. i also was only one class away from a dance minor but it required anatomy and physiology and that class always filled up so i didn't bother. instead of the french major i went to france after i graduated to get a CEFR C1 cert but this was spring 2020 so that did not happen unfortunately :'-)

[logogreffe]

How does the langblr community feel about the Common European Framework of References for Languages (CEFR) , the levels A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2 ?

Do you guys hate it ? Like it ? Find it helpful sometimes ? Think it is outdated ?

[nordic-language-love]

2023 Goals

2023 is going to be an exciting year of change for me. I’ll have a new job in a new country and I don’t really know what the future holds. So I don’t really know how much language studying I’ll be able to realistically do. I don’t know how much time I’ll have, I don’t know how time zones will affect my studying (Norwegian italki lessons may not be possible anymore). But I’m going to set a few goals anyway!

Japanese Goals

1) Reach a pre-intermediate level in Japanese

This is my primary goal for 2023. I’m going to be in Japan and I don’t intend to waste the opportunity to use as much Japanese as possible! I want to focus mostly on speaking and listening comprehension rather than studying kanji/reading for now, as I’ll need those more. Maybe in the latter half of the year of next year I’ll shift my focus to reading comprehension/writing.

Intermediate level would be awesome, but I don’t want to set my hopes too high. N4 (CEFR A2) is all I really expect to get to even with full immersion, but maybe I could get close to N3 if I really push myself. We’ll see! I’m currently around N5 (just about) I’d say.

2) Finish Japanese Short Stories For Beginners

I’ve read I think 7/20? It’d be great to finish all of them by the end of the year! Who knows, maybe by that point I won’t need to English translation at all (I can dream lmao)

3) Have a Japanese conversation class on italki without using English at all

This is a bit of an ambitious goal, but I’m setting it anyway. At the moment I frequently have to ask my tutors to break down sentences and explain certain words in English. But I’m so determined to get good at Japanese, especially seeing as I’ll be living in Japan!

Norwegian Goals

1) Maintain my B2/C1 level in Norwegian

Given I’ll be in Japan, I won’t be focusing so much on Norwegian the way I have in previous years. However, I’m not planning on throwing away all the progress I made! So I’m hoping to engage with the language a little every day, be it writing a journal or watching the news or reading an article. I’m planning to download some Norwegian ebooks onto my Kobo before I head off too.

2) Learn more idioms and natural ways of speaking

At the moment I still feel like my language is quite clunky. I can say more or less what I want to express, but I’d love to learn to speak in a more colourful way.

3) Write 10,000 words of fiction

In 2020 I nearly hit 15K. In 2021 it was around 7.5K. In 2022 it was 0. It was such a great way to learn and practise new vocabulary and I had fun doing it, so I’d love to try doing it again!

4) Finish reading 5 books in Norwegian

At the moment I’m reading Tante Ulrikkes Vei, so that’ll be book #1. The others I have lined up are:

Gode Varsler - Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman (Good Omens)

Hver Gang Du Forlater Meg - Linnéa Myhre

Flaggermusmannen - Jo Nesbø

Rødstrupe - Jo Nesbø

If it goes well, I’ll increase this goal.

Non-language goals

1) Improve my overall flexibility

I used to be super bendy and I really miss it! Given I’ll actually have a semi-regular schedule when I’m in Japan and I won’t be able to pole, I should be able to build a stretching habit. I’ll write more about some specific goals over on my sideblog @jo-jenova

2) Read 15 books

I’ve read disappointingly little this year. I’ve got into the habit of starting books, getting 50-ish pages in and then abandoning them. I’m not entirely sure what’s blocking me, but I feel like if I set myself a goal of finishing books, that might encourage me to push beyond that initial sticking point and build a habit of reading. I also have a new ereader, so hopefully that’ll motivate me to actually read!

3) Journal regularly

I used to journal more or less daily, but since I reached about A2 in Norwegian I’ve not really journalled in English because it felt like a waste of time. Why journal in a language I can already speak when I could be practising my target language? But I feel like it really helped me with writing, and I miss being able to write! So I’d like to get back into journalling in English, not just my target languages.

4) Learn new fans techniques (?)

I’ve not decided yet if I’ll take my fans with me to Japan or not (depends on how much space I have in my luggage!), but if I do, I’d like to spend some time building my techniques repertoire. Last year I set myself the goal of learning the following techniques:

Perfect antispin flowers

Simple body tracing patterns

Reels and weaves

Let’s see what happens this year!

~*~

That’s a lot of goals! But hopefully they’ll keep me focused. I’m feeling positive - I’m so ready to get back on track with my self-improvement journey! Let’s make 2023 a great year :D