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NO MORE ASSOCIATING THINGS WITH FEMMES ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE PINK!HYPERFEM FEMMES ARE GREAT AND I LOVE YOU CAMPY FEMMES WHO EMBODY PINK BUT ALSO JESUS CHRIST CAN YOU GUYS NOT GO MORE THAN ONE DAY W/O TRYING TO SHOEHORN FEMMES INTO BEING ONLY PINK UWU BABIES. I AM FEMME AS IN GRASS AS IN DIRT AS IN TREE BARK AS IN WEEDS SPROUTING THROUGH THE SIDEWALK CEMENT. FEMME AS IN GENDER NONCONFORMITY AS IN FUCK YOU MY FEMININITY IS WHAT *I* SAY IT IS. FEMME AS IN DEPTH AND DARKNESS AND WARMTH AND TERROR. FEMME AS IN CAVES. FEMME AS IN LIGHTNING. FEMME AS IN AN AMALGAMATION OF TRAITS THAT I HAVE DECIDED ARE FEMININE REGARDLESS OF WHAT SOCIETY SAYS. FUCK IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!???
#personal#i am emotional yes#over the years ive had this blog I've made a few posts abt being femme#nd whether they're serious or jokey..... inevitably someone in the tags goes “ohhh yeah bc pink”#or in the case of what inspired this post: someone going “what about the pink ones” on my praying mantis post#and im just.#sick of it. im sick of femme being equated to pink and frilly girlie behaviors.#im sick of femme being equated to skirts and heels. to makeup. to skincare. to pristine nails exactly almond shaped.#im sick of ppl acting like All femmes aspire to this shit. im sick of femms being reduced to this shit.#and i love pink! i love pink! my phone theme is quite literally just black and pink all over.#im just. so tired of any expression of Femme identity being shoehorned into being a Specific type of femininity#especially as someone who DOES get dysphoric wearing skirts. wearing dresses. embodying the femme aesthetic yall are so set on making#if u guys wanna rb this i truly dont care#i just needed to scream#and this is one small thing#but the 2nd largest category of anon hate i have gotten since making this blog is str8 up homophobia from other “queer” folks#saying i cant be femme bc of how i present. calling me slurs (and using them as such) bc they cant understand femme as anything but that#my wife and i have our users in our personal discord server set as 2 different things of anon hate ive gotten#i have had OTHER FEMMES tell me i am not femme. femmes who Know im femme who still call me butch. femmes who ive corrected and been blocked#-by bc of it. the number 1 largest demographic of queerfolk who have me blocked rn is TME femmes who embody pink also#and i dont think its a coincidence at all. (and i know this bc i go to try and follow these ppl bc they get rbed on my dash & i cant)#and ik their blogs arent deleted bc some of them don't block my wife (tall. white. butch) and it cant be politics cause her and i rb#a lot of the same political shit (fuck. i think she rbs More than i do even. this is genuinely mainly a nsft blog)#and usually i don't say anything but im having a bad day so i get to be angry about this and if anyone fucking tries me i will block u#idc if we've been mutuals 4ever. im judt so tired of feeling like i am not Enough as a femme bc i dont embody this shit#im sick of this lameass lip service to he/him gnc femmes etc when the thin white 50s housewife femme is still what is preferred and loved#im sick of this lamesss lip service when y'all feel entitled to theorizing on other femmes genders bc u cant conceptualize a femme who does#wanna be hypetfeminine. im sick of it. im sick of it. im sick of it.#celebrity bun
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You ever just see a Mouthwashing take that makes you want to bang your head into a wall? I literally just saw someone claim Curly couldn't have been emotionally abused by Jimmy before the crash because he was in a higher position of power than Jimmy.
-Shrimp Anon
The mouthwashing fandom has shown me that people genuinely do believe that certain types of abuse are not as detrimental as other types especially when they deem those immune/resistant, ergo, believing one is objectively worse no matter how it affects the person nor the intersections of power, history and dynamics at play.
Get ready cause this is a yap session:
Cause like it's heavily implied that Curly and Jimmy's friendship was toxic and abusive, pointedly in the direction of how Jimmy uses Curly's belief/comfort in him. Curly wasn't forced to enable Jimmy but he was emotional and mentally on edge around him in almost every scene in some way. Mental and emotional abuse are not contingent on what positions you have at work. Yeah, he's Jimmy's boss but he was Jimmy's friend first and it's like getting into Psych discussion to talk about how social power tends to overshadow any perceived organizational power in the human mind. People are concerned about their jobs ofc but they tend to hang onto and put more value/investment into their personal relationships, hence why there tends to be laws and restrictions around mixing the two.
I always see the sentiments that "Curly is a grown ass man", "Curly is bigger than Jimmy", "Curly is Jimmy's boss", "He just needed a backbone" as criticisms of Curly and while I do agree that on the surface level all of these to be true and viable ways Curly could've taken more control of the situation, I often look at the parallels of Anya and Curly as victims of Jimmy pre/post crash.
The way Jimmy talks to Anya post crash is how he talked to Curly in the pre-crash segments. It's hard to pin-point mainly because we know he hates and wants nothing to do with Anya compared to his contrary but similarly handled obsessions with Curly. It's a weird sort of "honey-moon" effect of abuse Jimmy does in terms of emotional and mental victimization. He is always horrid to Anya, always talking down or questioning her abilities and thoughts in a situation, this of course includes the harassment and assault. However, he has a moment of attempted gentleness/conditioning when he question her about the mouthwash when she's contemplating drinking it at the table. The key difference is he has no personal investment in Jimmy outside wanting nothing to do with him, meaning there is no sort of romanticized version of him that he can condition her off of. He knows this, hence, why he always reverts to trying to make her to scared to oppose him.
This sort of give and take of "kindness" doesn't work on her because she knows he is just doing it to take more from her than whatever he could possibly give but it reflects even the "softer" scenes between him and Curly where he always rewords or rephrases Curly's sentiments and concerns to sound more shallow. He is feigning a deeper understanding by reworking Curly's emotions into something bad and needing to be hidden. Everything is laced with envy and resentment, an outburst just around the corner, I mean he even slams the table in the birthday party scene, a tactic in emotional manipulation to set the victim on edge and cloud their ability to respond. Even if Curly knows Jimmy won't get physical in that moment, the physical actions is intended to make him back down in the confrontation in case it does. This is something that is just not person specific. It ingrains itself into how you interact with the world and life and it shows in major and minor ways with Curly.
Post-crash, the abusive nature is more in tandem to the physical victimization Anya went through and the stripping of voice and autonomy we see take place. Like the parasite in HFIM, Jimmy speaks for Curly most of the time and puts words in his mouth, similarly to how he takes Anya's plans as his own. He very commonly, with the both of them mind you, supplements the worst aspects of himself into them; pettiness, selfishness, lack of understanding... And tries to cover himself with their best qualities; kindness, planning, initiative, etc...
These parallel are just to say that positional power has little to do with if a person can be abused and how it can even be flipped to further the abuse. There is no doubt that Curly could've picked up on Jimmy's envy of his position hence another reason he never confronted him as a Captain but as a friend as doing so would immediately put Jimmy in a space to be confrontational/combative.
I think the disdain some people have when they talk about the heavily implied if not implicitly stated emotional/mental abuse Curly experienced being Jimmy's friend is when treating it as an excuse to why he didn't do more. I can understand that completely because it is not an excuse to why he didn't do more but is a very real reason people in his position in these scenarios can experience whether in the context of a work or social environment. However, I also think the way people talk about it really does demonstrate a bigger problem when talking about abuse when somehow who is/was abused is either part of the issue or enabled it.
Harkening back to the sentiments about Curly's inaction regarding Jimmy, I think the exact phrases I used/have seen show how there is an inherent belief that it is easier to overpower the effects of emotional/mental abuse that go in tandem with the perception of Curly as someone who should be able to. There is not an age you suddenly stop being susceptible to abuse nor a set point or low where you realize how it has affected you. You don't suddenly know to stand up or put a face on to face your abuser nor admit that you inadvertently enabled them to subjugate someone else to the same treatment. Maybe it's my psych brain but their is this growing belief that direct action is somehow easy or always the best method with the game shows you instances where it is not always the case. In real life that rings true too. He should have done more, but it's not impossible to see why he struggled to find a way or didn't even if it makes us mad.
It's not easy to suddenly gain a "back-bone". You don't immediately want to resort to aggression, especially if it mirrors the type you were a victim to. You don't want to believe you allowed yourself to be treated this bad, let it get that bad or allowed something bad to happen to someone else. It is easy to be in denial, to retreat to your thoughts or make excuses to avoid the painful truth. It's frustrating but in a way we know is relatable. It why we both hate and love Curly for it. We know we'd be better, we think we'd be better, we like to think we wouldn't falter in the same ways but it's always easier to say that from the outside looking in. It's easy to see what he was doing wrong because we are seeing it, not him, but the game really does make you picture what you would do if this was your raw reality and it's why this debate about Curly seems so never ending/contradictory. We can all say what we'd do but bottom line is that's much different when you're in the moment with all the emotions and human feelings attached.
I personally think Mouthwashing tackles the themes of rape culture, enabling, toxic masculinity, types of abuse and patriarchy in ways that are meant to deconstruct the typical straightforward views we mostly have of these concepts and how little subtilities of them are just as, if not more, detrimental than the overt/obvious parts. The game deals with the idea of little details and bigger picture in a way to show that sometimes the bigger picture is not the issue but the little details that make it up. It's why I have a personal dislike of depictions of Jimmy as the typical horrible person who would of course do something like this because the game is about noticing the little warning signs, the foreshadowing and foresight.
It's why I dislike the typical discussion of "bro code" and "boys will be boys" for the game because the game makes a point to avoid the standard depictions of such. It is about the type of men who still enable despite not condoning, agreeing or even perpetuating harmful beliefs because they can't see the little details or the ways it seeps into their everyday. The severity is not obvious to them as it was not obvious to Curly, Swansea or even Daisuke the way it was to a woman like Anya. There are little details about Jimmy that should ring alarms but if you are too naive like Daisuke, too distant like Swansea or too conditioned like Curly, they are just off markers.
There is 100% more constructive/concise ways to say "Curly was a victim of Jimmy's abuse on an emotional and mental aspect that clouded his judgements and perceptions in the scenario" while also critiquing on the side of "Curly still had a responsibility to protect Anya as a crew mate and Captain that he failed to do due to biases and stigma's he failed to surpass" without the weird condemnation people give him about should've knowing better than to let himself be manipulated by a person he considered a close, if not family/best-friend and had his own reasons to trust initially. Also stop being weird about victims of abuse in general with this fandom, like sorry not everyone has a like social epiphany the moment someone's nasty to them. People are treating it like you immediately know when you are in a toxic relationship immediately or comprehend when a person is actively dangerous and either it's your fault for not knowing how to leave/cut them off or you deserve it. Like the hypocrisy of people believing how certain fans treat the story reflect their irl views but not their own is crazy.
End statement is: I honestly don't even know man, I've been writing this too long and just like no man on that ship was perfect or really helped Anya when it mattered and I feel like pitting them against each other in discussion on who did the least or most or how it was justified sucks cause in the end Anya always did the most and best thing for herself.
#i also think it is because mouthwashing is first and foremost a game about rape culture and the patriarchy especially in work spaces#regarding women and centering conversation around Curly a man rubs people wrong because it does overshadow that commentary#but it still mixes other topics into its initial theming and message on how abuse conditions you to accept certain things that are harmful#and how getting used to a culture/enviornment does not mean you are happy healthy or most importantly safe in it. I personally like to#explore those aspects where it mixes all the themes so we can discuss the ways you have to watch out for things because there is a differen#in the idea Curly enabled Jimmy just because they were bros and because he was an example of another man afraid to step out from what#is a still oppressive system that does try to punish those who act against it even if they fall in the category of those who would benefit#from it as Jimmy and PE 100% represent that sort of misogynistic system where men that would be “good” are altered until they follow line#in a way both on the personal and professional level as PE is the corporate lock out and Jimmy represents the social and its just the issue#that the discussion of it sounds like “in defense of men” when I am more so trying to discuss how it is much deeper than men being scared t#upset other men but complacency is rewarded by not becoming another person subjugated hence as all the moments Curly does try to do#something we can tie it back to how Jimmy reacts and a possible penality from PE where we now need to address the ways to combat those#two concepts so we dont get cases like Curly or Daisuke or Swansea where male avoidance of the issue is considered neutral or even good.#i think most of this boils down the perfect victim mentality to where if someone who underwent or is being abused is not a perfect example#or accpetible type than their abuse can not be considered a valid or substantial reason for effects on their behavior compounded with the#fact that Anya's abuse at the hands of Jimmy is a systematic issue that Curly is a part of even if unwillingly and was more physically#violating and topical cause sometimes i have to remind myself that all media is still critiqued through the lens of the culture it came out#in cause i do think about what if this game came out inlike 2014 like the conversations would be sooooooo different could you imagine it?#but back the before statement Curly isn't perfect but I feel like boiling it down if hes a good person or man is not the point of the game#but more so good people can still be part of the problem and the idea of condemning a person for one act creates a false sense of#rightouesness and justice that does not aid the victim and in fact aids the abusers in escaping blame for their mulitple behaviors as we se#how the men on the ship tend to blame Jimmy for just one act against them including himself while there is a plethora of things Anya is#concerned about with Jimmy#and its not that Curly just made one mistake with Jimmy but more so we consider his actions more damning because he didn't stop Jimmy#instead of focusing on the fact Jimmy did what he did regardless of Curly and the consequence because we already know he's bad n maladjuste#which is problem in the conversation where the individuals are blamed but the system and perputrator are overlooked in a sense of acceptiab#complacency as we know how they are and the lack of tangibility to personally affect them on a larger scale like I should just make a post#on like cutting out the face when it comes it confronting systems of oppression rather than tag talking but just ask me to clarify if#you want that like im jus trying to say we avoid talking about Jimmy and PE so much cause it is obvious what they do wrong that we make#the initial and inherent problem out to be one aspect someone in this case Curly does and the the constraints they use to force actions
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yes i know feixiao is a fox but thematically. thematically she would make an excellent borzoi like imagine being a wolf and you come across this snowy white creature and she looks a little like you and a little not, and she sounds a little like you and a little not, and you know she is something but you don’t know what until her teeth are around your neck and in the end you realise she is the predator and for once you are the prey. or something. does anyone see the vision
#sev.screams#feixiao#lowkey have hybrids on the brain. hybrid au perhaps#was once more sorting my blorbos into arbitrary categories and had a long hard think abt feixiao#a descendant of wolves born to hunt wolves. please tell me the vision is visioning#shes still ofc fox to me but the themes guys THE THEMES
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Sometimes I just love the irony in HOTD:
True legitimate heir Rhaenys is bypassed for a male heir to the throne and her grandfather Jaehaerys goes along with it, only for Viserys to succeed him two years later and reverse the order and name Rhaenyra his heir despite desperately wanting a son and even though she is a woman (like Rhaenys was), and who as it might turn out, might actually be a bastard, who then goes on to have three bastards of her own with Harwin, and since Laenor does not die and simply vanishes when she is still married to him, that automatically makes her children with Daemon bastards as well.
Do you see the point? With every generation, the Targaryen claim to the Iron Throne is weakening instead of getting stronger.
They literally went from having two legitimate heirs to the Iron Throne to choose from, to completely destroying their entire line. The weak choices a generation made created a domino effect that affected the generations after it.
Oh yeah. Of course the only thing that could tear down the house of the dragon was itself, it just had to be.
#the irony is strong in this one#this family should be studied under the category “what to avoid when ruling a kingdom”#they totally messed it up#team black#team green#the blacks#the greens#the targaryens#house targaryen#house of the dragon#hotd critical#hotd themes#hotd meta#hotd thoughts#hotd#greenqueenrants#greenqueenhightower#jaehaerys targaryen#rhaenys targaryen#viserys i targaryen#rhaenyra targaryen#harwin strong#laenor velaryon#daemon targaryen#jacaerys velaryon#lucaerys velaryon#joffrey velaryon#viserys ii targaryen#aegon iii targaryen#aemma arryn
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★ MAPS.
personal / navigation. pay-what-you-can. preview + download.
maps is a simple, sleek and easy to use about and navigation carrd template. it's pretty straight-forward and customizable, so go wild! this template has no special requirements and is base account friendly ... please read my terms + conditions in my pinned post before downloading.
#carrd template#free carrd template#personal carrd template#about theme#about page#rp carrd template#TEMPLATES.#CATEGORY: PERSONAL.#CATEGORY: NAVIGATION.#CATEGORY: ABOUT PAGE.
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Laios "My Dream is to be Devoured by Monsters" Touden
cropped preview of the latest thing I posted on my nsfw twitter account, major gore warning lmao --- slightly less cropped version under the cut, but the full is linked in the description here
#my art#dungeon meshi#gore#gore tw#delicious in dungeon#laios touden#laios#horror#blood#guts#etc.#not quite dead dove don't eat category but also if gore bothers you do not look under the cut or at the link lmao#mans got like all of his organs out#this ones less of a “wow this is hot” piece and more of a like analysis of the themes of the story#but told through gay p0rn0gr4phy#because i can do that
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My current version, of my ever-evolving theory, on what constitutes "aromantic stories" is that first off, there's absolutely a wide spectrum between 1, "this is explicitly undeniably about aromanticism," and 2, "there sure is a noteworthy amount of aro subtext, but representing aros clearly wasn't the author's intent." But the spectrum is best completed not as a straight line, but as a triangle, where the 3rd point is "the story probably wasn't created with aromanticism at the forefront of anyone's mind, but was created with subverting particular expectations related to romantic relationships in mind." And in my experience, a lot of juicy aromanticism-related experiences that are underrepresented in their own right can lie in that third option, regardless of whether the characters are aro-spec or allo or kind of whatever you headcanon.
So, what does make a story on this spectrum "aromantic?" IDK, I wouldn't necessarily include all or most of the firm 2s (unintentional subtext) under the aromantic story mantle. But when you get into the gray areas that inch a little closer to 1 and 3, let alone the gray area between 1 and 3 where intent is ambiguous but ultimately may not matter, it makes sense that different people will have different takes.
#2 doesn't necessarily have to be in a malicious “villain can't feel love” kind of way although it can be#it can also just be the author genuinely never looking at it from that angle or realizing the angle exists#aromantic#if you want some potentially hot takes of mine as examples...#gfalls is pretty close to a midpoint between 2 and 3. maybe a little bit more towards 2#(ford being confused about romance isn't intentional rep as much as i personally like/relate to it#but mabel not winding up in a relationship at the end of the summer is a deliberate expectation-subverting choice)#and meanwhile tazb is very deep in the 3 corner IMO#i've only written thousands of words of meta & fic about magnus (and lup's) relevance to that category lol#ultimately i wouldn't call either an aro story despite my very aromantic hyperfixations on each#but i also wouldn't consider my aromanticism-themed hyperfixations on them to be even remotely a coincidence#anyways this is all because i saw a poll about this recently and this was too long for me to consider adding in the notes lol
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And in "Random GV Quotes That Live Rent Free In My Head" for 400, we've got:
"Don't lick the wyvil."
#what did Jesper say after learning that Wylan's chemical weevil could eat through just about anything?#<- Jeopardy joke#same category for 100 we've got: 'Who's Mark?'#for 500: 'This is a salaried position.'#I'm too tired to come up with the rest of the answers#...I should make a GV themed Jeopardy game#just for fun#grishaverse#the grishaverse#six of crows#soc
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i find things out that i wish i'd known years ago and the first thing i think is someone should have told me this. why did no one tell me you make categories based on what you want to do with the information you're storing in it. i've literally never understood how to make categories before this.
#talking#i was making them based on individual themes of each item#and my categories are a mess because of it
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911 Hiatus Rewatch and Parallels:
3x05 "Rage" -> 3x05 "Rage"
Bonus:
#911#911edit#911hiatus2023#911 abc#911 fox#flashing tw#my edit#911hiatusparallels#buddie#buddieedit#911 on fox#eddiediazedit#evanbuckleyedit#otp: you don't need to pretend with me#buddie divorced era my beloved#usercam#of course i was gonna make something about buddie soon lska09sokaoskaoskaoksaoksa#i find this scene fascinating actually#one day i write about her in my very insane meta way sokaoskaoskaoskas#i know im just pointing out the theme of the episode okay#but honestly im not creating another category i cant barely remember my tags as it is soaksokasokasokasokas#911verse#evan buckley#eddie diaz
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I need the world to understand that I'm not a general fantasy artist dabbling in robots, I'm closer to a secret robot artist who pretended for years to be into general fantasy finally revealing the truth-
I spent most of my early RP days playing artificial characters, to which someone in a forum had a very succinct message: "[Syg], have you ever played a character that has come out of a vagina?"
and now. now i'm finally coming back to my roots, a decade later.
#one internet cookie if someone can guess what was the race of the character I played first in a forum#it was of an artificial race from a videogame (that is part of a big franchise)#(the forum was themed after said franchise)#not exactly a robot in that case but still in the “manufactured being” category
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꒰ ⛧ ꒱ — mafuyu’s f/o ask game !!
⛧ — these can be answered either as s/i talking about f/o or vice versa, even though they’re written as f/o-centric! when asking them you can just clarify whose POV you want in your ask to the person :3c
anyone can participate, but this was made by a proselfshipper, so follow your own dni !!
꒰ ⛧ ꒱ — section one ;; stars 💫
🎸 — does f/o play any instrument/s? how long have they been playing, and how good are they?
🎹 — when f/o gets sick or tired, are they obvious about it? how easily can s/i tell?
🥁 — does f/o have a specific food everyone associates them with? if not, what’s their favorite food?
🍜 — for stoic f/os, what’s their soft spot? how did s/i discover it? is the soft spot s/i themself?
꒰ ⛧ ꒱ — section two ;; clovers ☘️
🍀 — does f/o have an idol they look up to? if so, why?
🐧 — is f/o famous in canon? if so, when did they become famous, and what for? do they like being well-known? if they aren’t, would they desire fame?
🍑 — would f/o get into a fight to defend s/i? how much would they risk for it, and is there anything that especially sets them off?
💧 — what’s the silliest mistake f/o makes? how often do they make it — is it practically daily, or has it only happened once or twice?
꒰ ⛧ ꒱ — section three ;; song 🎤
🐹 — is f/o commonly associated with an animal by others? if not, what animal does s/i see in them?
🎧 — how obvious was f/o during the crushing/pining stage? did s/i catch on quick, or was it a mystery until the confession?
🥞 — if f/o has any siblings, how similar are they? does f/o talk about their sibling/s fondly, with disdain, or in some other way?
☕️ — has f/o changed a lot since meeting s/i? who were they like before, compared to how they are now?
꒰ ⛧ ꒱ — section four ;; wonderland ✨
⭐️ — how confident is f/o? are they ever considered arrogant by those who know them, or are they a bit more humble?
🍬 — does f/o look their age, or do they look younger/older? do they ever get mistaken for being a child/an older relative of s/i’s?
🎮 — does f/o like video games? which kinds, and how into video games are they?
🎈 — does f/o have any kind of notoriety? if so, what for? how long have they had it?
꒰ ⛧ ꒱ — section five ;; twilight 🌙
🎼 — what’s f/o’s favorite kind of music? do they prefer composing music or listening to it?
❄️ — does f/o act differently around different people? if so, how obvious is it when f/o uses a different persona?
🎨 — is f/o a morning person or a night owl? when do they usually go to work/class, if they do either? what’s their ideal bedtime?
🎀 — can f/o handle hot food? whether or not they can stand them, do they enjoy spicy foods?
#op is a proshipper#proship#proship safe#yumeship#selfship#self ship#yumeshipper#selfshipper#proselfship#selfship ask game#fictional other#f/o#꒰ ⛧ ꒱ — a song to reach you ;; mine#“did you seriously make an ask game just to theme it around your special interes—“ 🤫🤫🤫#also if i hear some mf asking abt the virtual singer category you’re getting socked /j#some of these were so hard to come up with 💔 I HOPE YALL ENJOY !!! :3c
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Can I ask—what’s the difference between “by coercion” and “unawareness/conditioning”?
Yeah, sometimes I wonder if the wording is a bit confusing. As it's put in the intro post:
Yes, by coercion: they would go through with it, but only if threatened with a loved one's life or something along those lines.
Yes, by unawareness or conditioning: they wouldn't realize until it's too late or would be raised to be an avatar, unaware their way of existence is not normal.
To explain a bit further (spoilers for several character arcs in TMA):
Coercion means the character would be forced or manipulated into it by someone or something. It requires a degree of awareness of what is happening (otherwise they'd go under unawareness).
Robert Montauk being forced to work for The People's Church of the Divine Host to get his wife back could be an example, though I'm not sure he ever achieved full Dark avatar status.
Basira would have ended up in this category if she'd continued to work for the institute long enough to become an Eye avatar, as Elias forced her to sign the contract under threat of Daisy's life.
I'd probably put Martin in the coercion category too, since he was going along with Peter Lukas and The Lonely to potentially save Jon.
Conditioning means that the character was groomed into it by someone from a young age, or born to be an avatar. It should be noted that this only applies to people or beings who under other circumstances could have made a different choice. A being that came into existence as an expression of a Fear would be manifestation instead.
Agnes Montague is kind of the defining example of this category, though members of the Lukas family being raised into it also count.
I think Gerry Keay could be another example of this. Eye avatarhood specifically wasn't a foregone conclusion for him, but he never really had a chance at a normal life. Willingly may be more accurate; he didn't choose to get involved with the Fears, but he did choose The Eye.
Unawareness is pretty self-explanatory, though I would point out this doesn't mean that the character never realises they are transforming. That (strictly speaking) wouldn't actually work, since becoming an avatar does require an active choice at some point. In this case it's more that the character doesn't realise until they're at the point of no return and the choice they are making is between death or becoming an avatar. If they refuse once they realise it'd be "go along but stop before transformation".
Jon is an example. Coercion could also be argued, given that Elias was definitely pushing him to go further and further using the (false) threat of the Unknowing, but I think Jon was too unaware of how he was being manipulated to go in coercion.
I think Michael Shelley would also go into this category. He was manipulated into it by Gertrude, but he had no idea what was going to happen. His case is a bit of a strange one in general though, I'm not sure he even had any affinity for The Distortion to start with.
At the end of the day, these are just my opinions and you can vote however you want, but I hope this helps answer your question! (Sorry for the essay)
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