#catalan names

[bebemoon]

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[useless-catalanfacts]

What are some common Catalan nicknames/do you have any good references for looking up what the nickname for a particular name is? I've been wondering this for a while and your answer about ONA made me realize there were a lot that I still don't know about.

Here are some common nicknames:

For female names:

Eulàlia -> Laia

Meritxell -> Txell

Josefina -> Fina, Fineta

Josepa -> Pepa, Pepeta

Mariona -> Ona. Mariona itself is the diminutive (affectionate form) of Maria.

Elisabet -> Bet

Isabel -> Bel

Concepció or Assumpció -> Ció/Sió

Cecília -> Cília, Cila

Montserrat -> traditionally was Tat, Rat, Rateta (from Montserrateta) or Tona (Montserratona), but nowadays the most common by far is Montse, followed by some distance by Muntsa. This is a recent change (1940s) because it's a direct translation of the Spanish way of shortening names (with the first part of the word, opposite of Catalan which shortens with the last part).

Antònia -> Tona, Toneta

Caterina, Catalina or Carolina -> Lina

Genoveva -> Veva

Francesca -> Cesca, Xesca, Cisca, Xisca, Xeca

Cristina or Agustina -> Tina, Tineta. Nowadays Cristina among young people because of Spanish influence is more commonly shortened to Cris.

Magdalena -> Lena, Malena. Nowadays because of Spanish influence it's most common to hear Magda.

Maria Isabel -> Maribel

Teresa -> Tesa. Nowadays because of Spanish influence you can also hear Tere.

Margarida -> Lida, Guida, Rita. Nowadays because of Spanish influence it's most common to hear Marga, though Rita remains very common.

Anna Maria -> Mia, Ia.

Elionora -> Nora

Misericòrdia -> Coia, Cori

Georgina -> Gina

Carmina (itself a diminutive of Carme) -> Mina

Beatriu -> Triu. Nowadays because of Spanish influence you can also hear Bea, though Triu is still common.

Maria del Claustre -> Tate

For male names:

Joaquim -> Quim, Quimet, Xim, Ximo

Joan -> Jan

Josep -> Pep, Pepet, Jep, Bep, Zep

Antoni -> Toni, Ton, Tonet

Miquel -> Quel

Gabriel -> Biel

Narcís -> Ciset (from the diminutive Narciset)

Francesc -> Cesc, Cesco, Queco, Quico, Xisco, Xesc, Xec

Cristòfol -> Tòfol

Bertomeu -> Tomeu

Hilari -> Lari

Rafael -> Fel, Felet. Nowadays because of Spanish influence it's most common to hear Rafa.

Vicent -> Cento/Sento

Jacint -> Cinto

Jesús -> Xus, and (mostly in the Valencian Country) Xuso and Suso

Alexandre -> Xandre. Nowadays because of Spanish influence it's most common to hear Àlex.

Jordi -> Toti

Pere -> Peric, Perico

Jaume -> Met (from Jaumet)

Isidre -> Sidre, Sidro

Salvador -> Vador, Voro. Nowadays because of Spanish influence it's more common to hear Salva.

To answer your other question, I don't know any place where you can look up the nickname for one specific name, but most of the time you can easily create it yourself. If you need help with any specific name, send me an ask I'll be happy to help.

[wimbledon2008]

okay yes obviously this is rmcf we'll have eight more of these before the season starts but more importantly who the fuck is this they???

[renaissancefailmarriage]

roderich speaks excellent spanish but antonio's german is terrible that's the way it is unfortunately

[eky-funciona]

Ah I think I love her.

[tiramisu-rex]

he wants the chimken

[minglana]

i hateeeeeeeeeeeeeeee linguistically-poor mfs. why are you asking ppl why they speak like that

[lafayettenossie]

// I need a little Lockheed-style dragon as a Famulus / Familiar for one of my OCs!

[clitshit777]

bro's final challenge is turning into a white butifarra

[lunarlicorice]

someday

alt versions:

[0-twentyone]

If the rumors are correct and Vitor’s deal really costed more than 74M then why didn’t they put the money on someone like Zubimendi!

[useless-catalanfacts]

I'm guessing now it's the same as Spanish because of imperialism, but did Catalan names originally follow the First name + Second name + Father's surname + Mother's surname naming system?

Yes, nowadays we use both surnames. We can't be sure of what would have happened, but the two surnames we have now were a Spanish imposition in most cases.

Before the 19th century, most Catalan men used only one surname. Only the upper classes had more surnames, since they often wanted to keep stacking titles (think of those really long names of nobles, if you marry into another powerful family and yours is powerful too you wouldn't want either of the lineages to get lost, the most titles you can "collect" the better!). Women could often use two surnames after getting married (their father's and their husband's).

In 1870, the Spanish law decided that civil register should have 2 surnames (first the father's and secondly the mother's) for each person to identify them better. That's how people started to have two surnames.

The most visible effect of this law, however, is the spelling. When Spanish-speaker state officers had to write down Catalan surnames, they would write them down according to Spanish spelling rules. That's why many Catalan surnames have a "Spanishified" spelling, like "Peña" instead of Penya, "Calzada" instead of Calçada, "Lladó" instead of Lledó, etc.

(As for first names, usually we only have 1 except you've been baptized, but that's not an official name and how much those 1 or 2 extra names are counted as part of your name depends on each person or family)

More information about the origin of Catalan surnames below the cut.

In the Middle Ages, Catalans had a name and a "nickname", often referred to a characteristic. Many of our surnames come from here. For example, physical attributes like Roig ("red", red-haired), Tort ("hooked"), Petit ("small"), Rossell ("blond"), Calvet ("balding"), etc; or jobs like Ferrer ("blacksmith"), Fuster ("carpenter"), Carnisser ("butcher"), Oller ("potter"), etc.

Among Catalan people, the use of surnames started being generalized in the 9th century.

In legal documents of the time, we see people are referred by who their father is. If the text was in Latin (even though people already spoke Catalan, Latin was still the most used language in writing), the first name would be in nominative case and the father's name in genitive case; if the text was in Catalan, it would be after the preposition "de", meaning "of" (same meaning as the cases in Latin). For example, Berenguer son of Ramon was Berengarius Raimundi in Latin and Berenguer de Ramon in Catalan.

Genitive case often ends in -is, that's why in Spanish and Aragonese you can find lots of surnames that come from a name+ez. For example: Sánchez would be the son of Sancho, Hernández of Hernán, López of Lope, González of Gonzalo, Rodríguez of Rodrigo, Martínez of Martín... Even nowadays, in Spain, 14 out of the 17 most common surnames are a name+ez! (Source)

This is not the case in Catalan. This Latin-derived surnames didn't become used. We only have 3 surnames with this origin (Peris, Sanxís, and Llopis) and they arrived to us from influence of Aragon, Castile and Navarre. Besides, neither of them is very common, unlike their Spanish equivalents. There was an exception in the Valencian Country, because some areas had a lot of Aragonese people as well as Catalan people or at least a strong Aragonese influence, so there existed more surnames related to the Aragonese ones.

From the 11th century on, the nobles started using the name of their lands as a surname, either after "de" (de Barcelona, d'Empúries...) or in adjective form (Barceló, Tarragó, Giró, Tàrrec). This started in the nobility to know who inherited what territories, but it was soon followed by the lower classes as well.

Lower class people often didn't have a territory to refer to and so they would use a name that made reference to their farmhouse, where they live, or other geographical terms. From here we get many of the most common Catalan surnames such as Riera ("stream"), Torrent ("watercourse"), Puig ("hill"), Pujol ("hill"), Vall ("valley") or Valls ("valleys"), Coma ("mountain pass"), Pomar ("apple orchard"), Vinyes ("vineyards"), Rovira ("oak tree forest"), Ribes ("shores") or simply the names of towns or areas like Solsona, Bages, Segarra, Agramunt, Vila, Canet, Cardona, Cabrera, Güell, Barberà, Cerdà...

All of this applies to men, but it worked differently for women because they weren't considered carriers of lineage in the same right as men, and were seen as under the property of a man (father or husband). In the Middle Ages, Catalan women usually had a feminine version of the father's surname (for example, if the father is Ferrer, she would be Ferrera). After getting married, women sometimes had both the father's and husband's surnames or only the husband's.

Source: Janer Torrens, Antoni (2014), "L'origen dels noms i cognoms catalans. Les arrels antroponímiques que marquen una identitat", II Congrés de la Societat d'Onomàstica i la XXVII Jornada d'Antroponímia i Toponímia de la UB. PDF.

[spacespheal]

Inktober day 8: Dip

Dip is an evil vampiric dog, who works as an emissary for the Devil. Dips, are described as being black shaggy dogs with a lame paw. They prey on cattle as well as drunk men who wander around after a night of drinking at the town's taverns. It is believed that this legend was made to scare drunkards so they became more careful when going out drinking.

In Baix Camp, there's a town called Pratdip (literally translates to "Dip's meadow"). There's a Dip in the town's crest and there's also a pair reredos inside the church of Santa Marina de Pratdip where Dips are represented (one is from 1602 and the other is from 1730).

[error404vnotfound]

why not name your kid as a Catalan count, we have:

Berenguer Ramon I (his wife did most of the work)

Ramon Berenguer I (made Barcelona more important) (mixed reviews on this one)

Ramon Berenguer II (had great hair apparently) and his brother Berenguer Ramon II (killed his brother)

Ramon Berenguer III son of Ramon Berenguer II

[meowmeowmessi]

Please say you're joking about some new barça fans being anti Messi??? (I've never seen them so far but that's probably bc I don't really interact with other football fans) Like for the love of god do they don't know about the time he had to carry that team (may his back heal from that)

I swear the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me (also going for pique over Leo?? Pls bffr there's no way you choose this brain dead manchild over leo)

Sorry for ranting like this but this actually shocked me...anyways hope your day's going well

i wish i was joking anon but there are a crop of true coolers (mostly the prepubescent reactionary types and the racist catalans) who genuinely slander messi and act like he wasn't literally holding up the absolutely shambolic club on his shoulders in the last few years on his barça tenure. they accuse him of being selfish and draining barça funds like he didn't take a pay cut during covid and his very presence wasn't bringing in barça a fuck ton of cash. and the pique dickride my goddd this man cheated on his wife with his teammate's mother ffs and these incels think he deserves a medal for that 🤡 people with messi as their avi on twitter calling him "my president <33" like bro be serious 😭😭 even after retirement he was leaching off barça funds 😭😭 i have no love left for barça tbh im messi fc first and foremost, the way these catalans act like messi would be nothing without barça is so ridiculous- clubs like real madrid and inter were gunning for messi to the point where they had to draw up a contract on a fucking napkin on the spot just so they could sign him up with barça asap. like i respect xaviball but without messi you're playing in europa league and 8 points clear of madrid only when they're in their most shittest form; have some shame instead of sucking off a politician and making laporta fancams

[minglana]

its so shocking to go to a wikipedia page in aragonese and looking up an aragonese person on there, and it tells you what house theyre from..... like for me house names are sooooo personal literally why would you have that on the internet