#cass and duke are the Exact same height

[mammutblog]

here is my very urgently drawn headcanon batsiblings height chart

[batmanisagatewaydrug]

out of curiosity, do you have any preferred headcanons for how tall the members of the Batfam are? who's the tallest to shortest?

listen I don't have exact measurements but I do have vibes. I'm going to say right out of the gate that I simply do not hold with DC artists and their habit of Russian nesting dolling the Robins so they're each a little bit shorter with age, it's a useful visual shorthand but it's also not my truth even if I sometimes agree with portions.

for instance: I do have to concede that Bruce needs to be the tallest of the Batboys in order to enable a lot of his whole schtick, especially your modern era Batmans who are built to be tanks as opposed to the sleeker, more acrobatically-oriented Batman of earlier ages. Batfleck honestly had a great build for it, 6'4 and built to loom.

on the other hand, I Know what male gymnasts look like and Dick came from a whole family of them; he doesn't need to be SHORT short but brother he is not the tallest Robin by any stretch. he's 5'8 if he's Lucky, likely shorter. and he's fine with it! he isn't insecure about being a compact king!

I strongly dislike the recent development towards drawing adult Jason as a brute, but I have long enjoyed the headcanon that he would have had a hard growth spurt after Bruce took him in and he didn't have to worry about food insecurity. he is absolutely taller than Dick but, HOT TAKE, I don't think he's a Lot taller. as Red Hood he's definitely exaggerating the difference with chunky boots + his stupid full-face mask for extra height, + his jacket and all his gear make him look taller and broader than Nightwing in his little skintight getup. out of costume they physically look much more similar.

I also super hate when Tim is drawn as a skinny short little waif, genuinely there's no reason for that. that's a little American rich boy who grew up on milk and white bread, there's no reason for him to look like he has Victorian urchin wasting disease. fuck this, Tim is taller than both Dick and Jason. same energy as the improv kid I went to high school with who was 5'11 but cool about it.

completing the circle and fully reversing the Robins, I know that other fans have pointed out that Damian's Asian heritage conspires against him being hugelarge as an adult, but genetics are a grab bag and I think he deserves to be Bruce-sized. adult Damian can pick Dick up and put him in the fridge if he wants. at present though his growth spurt is really taking its sweet time and he's hovering around Cass-height (see below).

Duke is hovering in a zone right between Jason and Tim but everyone forgets that and imagines him being taller because the little bat ears on his helmet give him a couple extra inches.

a lot of older comics, especially the Dixon run, frequently have Selina drawn like she's tall as all hell, and I honestly love that for her. 5'11, Megan Thee Stallion kind of build for her.

Cass is frequently drawn as tiny to an extent that is, frankly, implausible and borderline upsetting (if memory serves she literally got folded up and carried in a backpack once?) but listen: she's certainly not tall. I'm willing to offer her 5'3 as an absolute maximum. also literally no one asked but Michelle Yeoh is the Lady Shiva of my heart and shes 5'4, so that's canon To Me.

however tall Dick is in your head I want you to add one (1) inch and that's Barbara. this is so crucial to me.

Steph is like a deeply average 5'4 and a half, and I realize this Does mean that I've Russian nesting dolled the Batgirls (at least in order of appearance in comics, not the actual order they Batgirls) and I am Fine with that. throw Harper Row in here too, she and Steph are just chilling being average height gal pals.

Helena is freakishly tall by Italian woman standards, by which I mean like 5'7.

this is vile and I'm sorry to the Robins but unfortunately Jean Paul is a genetically engineered freak bred to kill so he's probably taller than all of them save for an adult Damian. 6'2 to my miserable boy. beginning to think I was lying when I said I didn't have exact numbers.

so I think in descending order the lineup I've created is Bruce, JP, Selina and Tim, Duke, Jason and Babs, Dick, Helena, Steph and Harper, Damian, Cass.

did I skip anyone vital you want to know about?

[zorilleerrant]

my batfam height headcanons:

Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are all the exact same height. that’s why they group together in team photos.

Alfred is the exact same height as Bruce, too, in order to look him in the eye and scold him when necessary, but he’s slight, so he looks shorter. or taller, from a distance.

Lucius is taller than Bruce, on account of he needs to tower over him slightly to be properly mentoring and cautioning.

Luke is not as tall as his dad, which annoys him, because Jace is taller than Lucius so much taller than Luke, but he is taller than Bruce and a little smug about it.

Dick is just slightly shorter than Bruce. in the right shoes, they look the same height; when he wears boots, sometimes Dick looks taller, but it’s not on purpose.

Jason is the exact same height as Dick, which makes him endlessly mad, especially since Dick hasn’t noticed yet.

Duke isn’t fully grown yet, so he’s quite a bit shorter than the rest of his family, but he’s going to be taller than Bruce, barely.

Cass is already the same height as Bruce. however, she also is not fully grown yet, and will be the tallest of the batfam.

Kate is a few inches shorter than Bruce, which makes her very short in the batfam, but not in real life. Beth is almost as tall.

Damian, likewise, will grow to be quite tall for human height averages, but not enough to compete with the rest of his family.

Helena is just shorter than Dick. it’s not enough to be noticeable compared to him, but it is compared to Bruce.

Babs would be taller than Bruce if not for her wheelchair. this is significantly taller than Jim, who is just taller than Kate.

Steph will grow a little more, but only to be average height.

Tim’s just short.

anyway if you take Bruce being 6′3″ then Gothamites are fucking tall

[setsailslash]

30 Days of Writing: 1/30

16. a game of confidence. (DC: batboys and girls, leverage/con artist!au, for @fantagore​ and day 4: AU of the batfamweek 2018)

Gotham belongs to one man. His name is B.

He mostly runs long cons and he mostly runs with the same crew. B stands for boss, it also stands for Bruce, and nobody gets a cut of this city without his say (he says no).

But word on the street is this: The B man is out of town and the kids are left all on their own.

Dick likes to play this game with all the newbies that join the crew.

He calls it: “Trust fall!”

And then he is hurtling himself at the newbie from a height of way too fucking high.

Duke catches him, only barely. Gets the two of them tangled in his line, Duke’s hand a death grip on Dick’s ankle and nothing else. It looks like some kind of miracle that they are both alive. It isn't. It is calculated risk banking on Dick’s ability to read Duke’s every last tell.

Upside down, Dick is grinning right at Duke.

“I knew you had it in you.” Dick says even if he doesn’t, not in any measurable quantity at least. But the trick to a good lie is that there is always a part of the truth in it.

Everything else that comes after can be a little blurry.

-

Duke is just getting to know this, but here is the know for those in the know.

(Not for those that knows a guy that knows a girl from losing a game of three card monte on a bench in Robinson Park who says she knows B in some vague sense of the letter while she whistles a little rhyme about finding the queen.)

B runs a tight crew.

Dick came first, he is a grifter in any other name but he calls himself an actor. Jason came next, and Jason is a thief turned, well, better thief. Then it is Tim who takes right after B, a mastermind behind what has to be some very elaborate cons even without the years to his name.

Somewhere along the way, there is Barbara then Cass, and Barbara is a hacker as much as Cass is a hitter. In some short brisk words: They are good. In a few more words: They are damn near too good.

After that, it is Stephanie and Damian and now, Duke who has just passed some kind of audition to join B’s crew without the B.

(It's an R, they do not say.)

-

It takes both Cass and Jason to untangle Duke from Dick from the line the two of them were suspended from and if Duke is not crazy about heights, he is not about to let that show now.

From the solid albeit rocky ground he is now standing on, Duke asks. “So, what’re we supposed to be? A bunch of modern day robin hoods?”

“We usually just call ourselves Robin for short.” Steph says, glancing up from where Tim and her are mapping their way further into this cave they are in, “but yeah, that’s the point.”

Hearing the echo that follows each step they tread while they head deeper within, Duke tries again. “So, what’re we really doing here?”

The cave looks dark, looks vast, looks like it could become something of a diamond mine if they dress it up a little.

Tim grins as he stops at the front of their little excursion, looking forward at a nice dead end. Turns back to them and answers.

“Would you believe me if I said we’re going spelunking?”

Mind you, they are not.

No matter how much Dick is looking like he is more than a little bit eager to throw himself off another deep end, safety net seemingly a non-existent concept to the man. Duke simply resigns himself to picking up one of the axe pick to start.

As they work, Jason grumbles the entire time why marks can't just be happy with being handed a fake diamond these days, oh no, it is a whole diamond mine or nothing. Barbara laughs from the comm in his ear while Steph just laughs in his face.

Cass isn't laughing but she might as well be.

-

It isn’t an exact formula but a good con comes together all the same.

It always starts with a bad man, usually he is in a position of power and wealth. They each play a part. Sometimes it takes a week to hook the mark in, sometimes it takes a month. But the rule of the con stays the same: You can't con an honest man.

It is a good thing there is a whole lot of greed in this city alone to keep them all busy.

When the job is done, and the mine literally goes crumbling down around that very bad man (Dick calls it poetic justice, Jason tells him to read a book), B comes home and doesn’t ask them to get rid of their faux collapsed diamond mine.

And, Robin as a collective whole might even call the man proud.

[dalishious]

i know it's up to personal interpretation, but do you have any idea how old any of the origins and inquisition protagonists would roughly be?.

(Here is my post on deducting DA:O companion ages)

(Here is my post for DA:2)

A lot of this is just examining the timeline and matching things up. Remember that the majority of events in DA:I take place in 9:41 Dragon.

DA:I Companion/Advisor Ages:

Cassandra - Cass was 12 when her brother was murdered, which WoTv2 says was in 9:16 Dragon. Thus she was born in 9:04, making her 37 years old.

Solas - Oh man… So, the closest we can get to a time in which Solas would have been born, is likely in the -4600s Ancient; this is amidst the height of Arlathan, and when the elves and dwarves first make contact. So he is about 2000 years old, give or take a few hundreds. (But as far as like, appearances go, according to Weekes he is in his early to mid 40s.)

Varric - House Tethras was exiled from Orzammar in 8:98 Blessed. Varic’s father died five years later, in 9:03 Dragon. Varric was two at the time, thus his birth year is 9:01, making him 40 years old.

Sera - Sera remembers being just a child during the 5th Blight, which was only eleven years ago. WoTv2 also says that she joined the Friends of Red Jenny “at a very young age.” I would estimate her to be between 20-23 years old. (She and Cole are the bbs.)

Vivienne - Vivienne was transferred to the Montsimmard Circle at age 19. She met Duke Bastien shortly after at the Wintersend Ball, which was in 9:16 Dragon. This would put her birth year between 8:96-8:97 Blessed, making her 44-45 years old.

Blackwall - There are no exact dates for anything in Blackwall’s background, other than that he ran into the real Blackwall in 9:37 Dragon. This was after spending a good number of years in the Orlesian army, then as a mercenary. In the same tweet Weekes wrote about Solas, he insinuates he and Blackwall are similar ages. Put this together and I’d estimate him to also be in his early 40s.

Iron Bull - Like Blackwall, there are no exact dates for anything in Bull’s background, only that according to WoTv2 he spent 8 years in Seheron, 7 years as part of “Fisher’s Bleeders,” and then I’d estimate a 2-3 with his own company. With all this taken into consideration, I’d estimate his age to be between 35-40.

Dorian - Confirmed birth year to be 9:11 Dragon in WoTv2, making him 30 years old.

Cole - Cole’s codex entry says he’s no more than 20 years old. This matches up with what he’s observed to be in Asunder.

Leliana - As discussed in here, by 9:41 Dragon she’d be 36-38 years old.

Josephine - There’s next to zero information about Josephine’s age in the lore, and no dates of her life’s events to even map out some ranges. The only thing we know is that according to her codex, she finished school “at a surprisingly young age.” She then spent an undisclosed amount of time as the Antivan-Orlesian diplomat, but it was enough for her to build a good reputation. However the game files mention she is in her late 20′s.EDIT: Sylvia Feketekuty said Josie is between 27-29 on Twitter.

Cullen - WoTv2 says Cullen became a templar and was stationed at Kinloch Hold “ten years after his childhood declaration,” which he made at age 8. A year later the Fifth Blight began, making him 19 in 9:30 Dragon, and therefore 30 years old in DA:I.