#cartmel masterplan

[rassilon-imprimatur]

I rather like that this is much less the vague "Cartmel Masterplan" "the Doctor has always been something ancient and mysterious," (Remembrance of the Daleks et al) and is a more sinister "the Doctor is turning/evolving/mutating into/WILL BE something mysterious"

[basiltheta]

the way the doctors naming day is Otherstide when otherstide is the celebration of rassilon kicking out the Other. and cartmel masterplan implies the doctor actually is the other. thinking about how the doctor always felt like an outcast on gallifrey and chose to embrace that by running away on otherstideeve

[wanderingmadscientist]

Just watched remembrance of the daleks, and it's so crazy, I love it.

[red-of-raxacoricofallapatorious]

sometimes I remember the looms exist then i really fucking hate my life

[arcalian]

Me being fed by rtd once again alluding to the other one and really emphasizing how similar the doctor and toymaker are

[makiruz]

(Oh my god, the Cartmel Masterplan has a Wikipedia page)

[narvin]

[timelxrd-victorious]

So, uh, with the mention of the Flux in "Wild Blue Yonder" and the brief allusion to the Timeless Child and how the Doctor doesn't know xir own species anymore...

I'm just going to post these snippets from the Eighth Doctor Adventures novel Unnatural History, published in 1999. (Snippet sources.)

[makiruz]

But I hate that too, it's just that it's easier to pretend that didn't happen than the Timeless Child

Still thinking about how the original intent with regeneration was (as written by David Whitaker) “oh, he just does that sometimes, it’s part of the TARDIS, don’t worry about it, it happens all the time.”

And then, a few years later, Terrence Dicks and Robert Holmes put in a throwaway reference to those previous “renewals” that became one of the biggest fights in the fandom ever since, and it’s only ever gotten worse.

But no, it’s Chris Chibnall who’s “breaking canon” and “spitting on William Hartnell’s good name”, not any of those guys mentioned above. Just saying, if he’s spitting on One, so we’re they. And let’s not get started on various EU writers…

[genderqueerpond]

guys guys guys the short story qualia. this could be my new religion.

[macbethz]

My controversial doctor who opinion is I actually like the doctor being the Other reincarnated but only if it’s just kind of implied and means absolutely nothing. Like ok this space god-king threw themself into a baby machine but just got remade into Some Guy who occasionally gets angsty visions and uses the name for clout

[codenamesailordarillium]

Okay also .. is this ep the one where we've decided we're gonna cram in a whole load of character development we'd previously been neglecting for the "fam"?

[call-me-corvid]

Hot take: I ADORE the Timeless Child lore

[makiruz]

Oh, can we say the Doctor is absorbing memories of the actual Timeless Child?

Help me out here, I want anything other than "she's a reincarnation" because that's the Cartmel Masterplan and we hate the Cartmel Masterplan

[thenotoriousscuttlecliff]

I've seen this argument made a few times and it really doesn't hold much water because pretty much everything Chibnall did during his era was just a rehash or remix of something that had been done before like the War Doctor, Season 6B, the Cartmel Masterplan, the Celestial Intervention Agency, etc. The whole Timeless Child arc feels like Chibnall desperately trying to get those with Big Finish subscriptions on his side by creating new lore that exist mainly to explain old lore (like the Mobius Doctors) while trying to set the Doctor's origins back to a 1963 status quo. The Chibnall era was just not some great leap forward in terms of storytelling potential, if anything it was the exact opposite, weighing the show down with new forms of its already extensive lore that even the Chibnall himself quickly lost interest in.

[companion-showdown]

Whostory - Andrew Cartmel

Andrew Cartmel was Classic Who's final script editor, working on the show for the entirety of the McCoy era. While it never came to fruition on TV, Cartmel came up with what is known as the Cartmel Masterplan, a new more mysterious backstory for the Doctor, these ideas were later used by the Virgin New Adventures.

Cartmel would continue to write for Doctor Who in the form of novels and comics during the wilderness years and beyond, most recently for the twelfth Doctor comics in 2016.