#canon daemon targaryen

[sweetestpopcorn]

The Blacks and the Greens 🐉 by the beyond talented and patient and every compliment imaginable @lupotterdraws featuring (from left to right) Princess Helaena Targaryen, Prince Daeron Targaryen, Prince Aemond “One Eye” Targaryen, Queen Alicent Hightower, Prince Aegon “The Elder” Targaryen, and their graces King Viserys I Targaryen, (his favourite child) the Princess of Dragonstone Rhaenyra Targaryen “The Realm’s Delight” and last but not least her beloved uncle and husband Prince Daemon Targaryen, “The Rogue Prince”

Thank you from here to the moon and back Lu! You are as talented as Balerion’s fires were hot 🐉🔥

PS: asoiaf characters, these can only be found in the books and not in a certain lizard show

[drakaripykiros130ac]

I swear…if they even dare to have Daemon physically abuse Rhaenyra on or off screen (something that NEVER happened in canon), I will officially be 100% done with this shitshow.

The choking scene was bad enough (as confirmed by the actors themselves). There had better be a good explanation for that bandaged hand and the bruise on her cheek in that promo.

Daemon Targaryen was many things. But he was NEVER physically abusive towards any of his wives (not even Rhea Royce, the wife he despised).

The only ones to suffer Daemon’s wrath are his family’s enemies.

For what possible reason would Daemon inflict harm on the love of his life?

It’s pathetic how Condal tries the most despicable things to get the GA to root for his greenies, and it still doesn’t work. What is this guy’s problem?

And I can’t believe GRRM lets him butcher his absolute fave like this. Shame on him.

[eschercaine]

The Daemon Targaryen I know isn’t busy tripping balls and talking to a witch while there’s a war on his doorstep.

And despite his reputation of being a rogue, he wasn’t planning on usurping his wife’s claim to the throne. He’s her #1 supporter. Daemon Targaryen died fighting for Rhaenyra.

[deus-sema]

The subduing of the Riverlands by the Blacks in F&B feels epic to read every time.

Hundreds and then thousands buckled on their swordbelts and

donned their mail, or grabbed a pitchfork or a hoe and a crude wooden

shield, and began to make their way to Harrenhal to fight for Viserys’s

little girl.

Rhaenyra may not be there in person but in spirit her presence is felt throughout. Such a charmer she was that knights and peasants alike had kept her in their memories even though years had passed since her progress. Meanwhile Daemon's military prowess brought the nobles to line.

Even the nobles who once vied for her favour such as Samwell Blackwood and Forrest Frey had not forgotten her. Daemon's capture of Stone Hedge while the Brackens were busy in the Battle of the Burning Mill was a rather clever strategy.

Then there were other loyalists such as the Mallisters, the good old Darrys and, my personal favourite, the Pipers of Pinkmaiden.

“I swore her my sword. I’m older now, but not so old that I’ve forgotten

the words I said, and it happens I still have the sword.”

Petyr Piper, Lord of Pinkmaiden, you were too good for that fictional world.

It is Daemon - Prince Consort and Protector of the Realm - who captures Harrenhal and the wealth within the castle swiftly and without bloodshed and unites all her supporters within that region under one banner but he is there as an extension of Rhaenyra's will. As someone who interprets the two of them both as a romantic and political power couple, they came off as a formidable team even while they were apart from each other.

And, good for Elmo Tully for turning a deaf ear to his old misogynist grandfather's rants.

[ammmyturtle]

In Otto Hightower’s eyes, Daemon would be Maegor 2.0. But in the end, his grandson became the true monster

[roguesdelightful]

Girl dad Viserys: “His daughter was his life's great joy”

Boy dad Daemon: "Prince Daemon had at last a living son of his own blood"

[omnipotent-scient]

The way some people would rather die than admit this, IT WAS THE GREENS THAT STARTED THE WAR, NOT THE BLACKS.

Even if you count usurpation a reclaiming of birthright rather than a declaration of war, it would still be the greens that started the war.

Not the event of Blood & Cheese. Not Daemon. And certainly Rhaenyra.

“Lucerys Velaryon died with his dragon. The prince was thirteen years of age. His body was never found. And with his death, the war of ravens and envoys and marriage pacts came to an end, and the war of fire and blood began in earnest.”

Clearly stated. It was Aemond, a member of the greens that started this war. He killed a CHILD, a envoy to his rival, because his week male ego and pride was hurt.

Both Alicent and Otto are recorded as being of the consequences that will soon follow. The usurper thought this was “a good beginning.” Even throwing Aemond a great feast for killing a child.

The way some broccoli people are so in denial.... Rhaenyra being arrogant and not bending the caused the war? Daemon, Mysaria and Blood & Cheese caused the war? Please stut tf up🙏🤦‍♀️

[thesilverlady]

“Six men or sixty, he is still Daemon Targaryen.”

[unadulteratedbarbarianlady]

Elys Arryn raised a lady to a queen, raised Aemma to great things. She would have been more.

It wasn't until those stupid Jaehaerys Alysanne Viserys Baelon that the entire Targaryen house ruined it that they made it nothing.

And she and her father had done nothing to save her, her poor little sister her sweet Aemma hers, bleeding to death on the birthing bed of another baby she would not live, her eyes swollen her nightgown full of blood and her voice. She haunted her to this day.

"Promise me please Elys"

And she would do it, she would make Aemma's child a lady, a politician a queen.

A queen that Aemma and the entire Vale are proud of. Rhaenyra will be the queen that Aemma this should have been

[sweetestpopcorn]

Biblically Accurate (canon) Daemyra

Daemon Targaryen and a younger Princess Rhaenyra.

Daemon spent long hours in her company, enthralling her with tales of his journeys and battles. He gave her pearls and silks and books and a jade tiara said once to have belonged to the Empress of Leng… He praised her beauty, declaring her to be the fairest maid in all the Seven Kingdoms.

Princess Rhaenyra was also enamoured of her uncle, for Daemon was ever attentive to her. Whenever he crossed the Narrow Sea upon his dragon, he brought her some exotic gift on his return.

[sweetestpopcorn]

How Would The Dead Targaryens React To Robert's Rebellion?

Aegon:

Visenya:

Rhaenys:

Maegor:

Jaehaerys: F:cking Baratheons

Also Jaehaerys: Everyone on this family that doesn't have silver hair can F_CK right off 😡! Not you Baelor 🤗❤️

Prince Baelor:

Princess Rhaenys (TQWNW):

Daemon:

Also Daemon: I am fine. I am fine.

Also also Daemon: I am not fine! Not f_cking fine! This is NOT what Laenor was killed for! This was NOT what Harwin was killed for! This was NOT why I was putting up with Rhaenyra for! I am DONE! DONE! I can't anymore! None of you deserve what I have right here! NONE!

Laenor: Will no one DO anything about what he just said?! 😡

Jaehaerys: You are technically not a Targaryen.

Baelon:

[drakaripykiros130ac]

The main difference between the great Rogue Prince and the One-Eye:

Caraxes was Daemon’s accessory.

Aemond was Vhagar’s accessory.

[eschercaine]

Is this the canon Daemon Targaryen? 👀

[sweetestpopcorn]

Biblically accurate Daemon Targaryen, a God 😏

“Let it not be forgotten: in his youth, Daemon Targaryen had been the “Prince of the City,” his face and laugh familiar to every cutpurse, whore, and gambler in Fleabottom.”

This was just an excuse to draw a pinup of my man, but let’s just say he’s frequenting his favorite brothel here 😂

[omnipotent-scient]

Rhaenyra wasn't usurped because she was a woman, she was usurped because she was a stupid woman. If she had kept her leg closed and didn't have BASTARDS she wouldn't have been so opposed throughout the Realm

Saying she wasn't usurped because of misogyny while spewing misogyny is quite funny.

It was never abt her having bastards to begin with. It is and was always abt her being a woman and not having a sausage between her legs.

In the many many drafts of the dance, in one she married a lannister and had no children, but still got usurped. In an other, rhaenyra was married to a lyonel strong, and she still got usurped.

The problem is not her children, or whether she kept her legs close, but that she is a woman.

And let us say it was about bastards, do you really think Daemon would let them live? Let his sons that he has waited for years get passed down. Daemon did love Rhaenyra, but he had his own ambitions and motives. I don't think he would do it publicly simply because of his love for Rhaenyra. But a simple fall, accidental drowning, an assassin, it's all very possible.

It was abt the Hightowers and Alicent's ambitions.

Hope this helps🙂

[sweetestpopcorn]

Hello popcorn! Could you send me the link to the source that says that Daemon didn't exist in Martin's drafts? please

Hi there,

A very special thank you to @xenonwitch who helped me to answer this ask and retrieved most of the screenshots used here :) you rock lady!

So, there is multiple evidence highlighting that Daemon was not created until around 2012, which would mean his character was born only after the release of "A Dance with Dragons", more specifically around the time "The World of Ice and Fire" was being written by Elio and Linda with George's help. It was around this time that George wrote the Dance and created I would say most of the information and characters we know of today. He actually gave Elio and Linda so much material that they couldn't use it all and afterwards George published much of it in the short stories "The Princess and the Queen" and "The Rogue Prince", even later (around 2017) using it when he compiled his fake history in "Fire and Blood". If you go to the original link of the screenshot below here you can the sources listed in the text for yourself

It is no secret that since he began writing A Game of Thrones, that George has changed several aspects of the Targaryens. For instance, Rhaenyra was originally only one year older than Aegon II, though as confirmed by Elio that they were never meant to be fully-blooded siblings and from the first family tree in 1999 George meant for Rhaenyra to have an Arryn mom and Aegon a Hightower mom originally named Lysa (hehe). I think Alicent has a much better ring to it personally. Later he actually changed their age difference from 1 year to 9 years, and later still to a decade's difference. I do remember a time when it was 9 years actually instead of the 10. But with Rhaenyra being born in 97 AC and Aegon in 107 AC that would make it 10 years.

Aegon III and Viserys II have existed since the original family tree, but of the two originally only Aegon III was Rhaenyra's son. Viserys was meant to Aegon III's fourth son. George changed this when he realised timeline wise it wouldn't work.

I do own an edition in which this is shown in the appendix but currently I don't have it with me. However, if someone else has it feel free to add it to this thread.

There were other changes to the story being made throughout the years, including some confusion regarding who Alysanne's father was, and while doing the research for this I actually saw that it was never Maegor unlike I know many of us thought.

Critically, a number of changes were done to the character of Rhaenyra. First she had been given a Lannister husband with whom she had no children. This was no earlier than 1999. Later, that was changed for him to become Lyonel Strong, Hand of the King, with whom she would have three (legitimate) children that would all perish during the Dance.

Below you can see the information regarding House Strong while Lyonel was her husband and this is from “A Song of Ice and Fire Campaign Guide” published July 2010:

There was a male Targaryen she was known to have married after husband#1 who would father Aegon III and in this moment of time Viserys III. But no other information was known about him. This was Rhaenyra's wiki page from 2013. Once again, no Daemon.

In fact, around this time people were speculating what was her relationship with Targaryen Husband with suggestions ranging from brother to cousin.

Also note what Elio says regarding "A really notable figure or two are completely missing."

Discussion goes on, and yes, it does seem he only came to be as a character in 2012. There was evidence of some foundation being lain for him, but nothing concrete - i.e., no name, no specific relationship to her, no details whatsoever, just a male Targaryen figure who would be the father of Aegon III and Viserys II

And even more importantly and related to my point that Daemon did NOT exist in the first version of George's family tree has noted by Elio himself below:

Other evidence of him not existing comes from the main books themselves where although many characters are mentioned, including a Hand named Otto Hightower - you can look for this yourself, sorry I don't have the electronic copies and this was already a lot of work for me and xenonwitch so this is your homework hehe - there is no mention whatsoever of Daemon Targaryen.

This is particularly compelling since many other Targaryens are mentioned either when they are specifically talking about them remembering them, OR when something they created appears - e.g., the Sept that Baelor erected, the Red Keep Maegor had build etc. Yet there is no mention of Daemon anywhere with relation to the Gold Cloaks, something that would be mandatory given his established importance to them, critically the fact that he gave the City Watch their gold cloaks, which yes is a thing in the main books, but the same cannot be said of Daemon Targaryen. This would have been another great opportunity to mention him, as notable members of the City Watch, just like Prince Aemon the Dragonknight is mentioned as a notable member of the Kingsguard. But once again, no mention of Daemon is given.

Yet another opportunity would be in relation to Daemon Blackfyre who existed and who we are told in "The World of Ice and Fire" to have been named after Daena's grandfather who she admired. Yet once again, this does not happen. Related to this please see the point made by Elio above regarding him not existing when Daemon Blackfyre was created. That was added AD - After Daemon, whose earliest mention was, as far as evidence shows, at around 2012-2013.

Lesson of the day, like much the rest of what George writes, Targaryen history was a garden that he shaped along the way. Crucial aspects of the story were missing from "A Game of Thrones" all the way to the last book "A Dance with Dragons".

If one wants to talk about the books one needs to use and refer to "Fire and Blood" (Conquest to Dance) and "The World of Ice and Fire" (post-Dance) which holds up until now the most accurate and true information about the pre-asoiaf characters. Referring to books like "A Feast for Crows" is pointless and shows a lack of understanding of how the Targaryen history and pre-asoiaf history was written, and can only result in statements and information that used to be true and canon, but no longer are true or canon, and characterization of certain character becoming non-canon.

If a butterfly can change the course of history, try to imagine what you get when you base your Rhaenyra on an account where there was no Daemon.

In sum, no, George was not even close to having all of his history and pre-asoiaf characters during his writing of the main books. Yes, he changed a lot and we need to update content published before "The World of Ice and Fire". Daemon Targaryen remains a fairly new character in his universe, and one you will only get to fully enjoy and understand the genius of if you consider the ASOIAF version of his character.