#cancel hori's canon

[doodlegirl1998]

You know what's really funny to me? The trope of Bakugou in canon being super talented at everything that he does. In canon it's supposed to be for laughs when he's good at random shit, but I don't understand how it's supposed to be funny when the funnier route would have been that this guy has dedicated himself to nothing else but being extremely good at fighting with his quirk and to be a hero that he's actually super ass at everything else. But I guess having a complex version of Bakugou where he learns that there's more to life than heroics and maybe is way less of a demon isn't something that would have been interesting. ALSO ALSO, genuinely I'm confused as to why people think Bakugou is super smart. Like I get that he was excelling at school and was taking mock UA tests and shit, blah blah blah, but:

A) I can totally see his marks getting doctered by Aldera

B) Passing the UA exam doesn't tell me shit about his intelligence, since people who are "dumber" (Kaminari and Ashido) than him also passed the same exam. Without even knowing the proper format of the test (keeping in mind it's also a standardized test) there's no real way to gauge how "intelligent" someone has to be to do well. Also there's a bunch of General-Ed students who passed that test so again, doesn't tell me much.

C) For all the praise that he receives, there's nothing really like "intelligent" or complex about the plans that Bakugou comes up with when people suck him off for being such a good tactician. He fully somehow thought he could overwhelm fucking ALL-MIGHT with his explosions alone, if he's such a good tactician why would he all of a sudden fuck this up? Also, his "counter" to Uraraka's plan was just do bigger explosions, so again, nothing to do with his actual intellect, it's just his quirk. Which brings me to,

D) Bakugou fully should have been taken out by Uraraka's plan. I get that she was tanking hits and he wasn't, but he suffers no backlash at all from unleashing his quirk all day, and is even able to fire off massive explosions no problem. I don't care what bullshit excuse Horikoshi or the fandom comes up with, unless Bakugou has a second quirk that makes him indestructible or lets him cancel out forces, those massive explosions would have shattered his arms and legs from the recoil. But nooooooo, Todoroki suffers from acute frosbite and Midoriya shatters himself when he uses OfA. But Bakugou? Ah well, sometimes we'll remember that he's running out of sweat or his wrists will hurt a little or sumthin.

E) Why is Bakugou (and I guess Kirishima by extension as well) more ripped and buff then Midoriya when canonically somehow managed to balance a fucking small pick up truck on the last pile of garbage that he stood on when he cleared the beach. Midoriya should be jacked and stacked like Jotaro fucking Kujo in part 3 and be an immovable object, yet some how Bakugou is shown to be physically stronger than him??? Midoriya should be casually lifting couches with the entire class sitting on it so he can vaccum underneath.

PS. I think it would've been exponentially better to have IZUKU be the one who is good and talented at random shit. Like the kid who didn't have the one thing that is required of all heroes (a quirk) and tries to overcompensate for his "uselessness" by being insanely talented and skilled at tons of different hobbies would have been an awesome angle, he's genius enough to pull it off. Not only would it give us more insight on his life before All Might, but it would also make Bakugou less of a Mary Sue (seriously, the narrative bends over backwards for him) and Izuku less of an untalented loser (again, the narrative loves shitting on him, sweet Jesus). Having Bakugou be terrible at everything besides heroics and Izuku being good at everything "besides heroics" might've made for an interesting character parallel that Hori insists on shoving down our throats for 400 chapters straight 😒

Hi @stormiclown 👋

💯. I completely agree with this.

Bakugou being ass at everything that doesn't involve his quirk would have been much funnier, and it would have made more sense narratively for the reasons you listed.

In a good story, that fact would have also forced Bakugou to grow and realise that in UA, he's no longer a big fish in a small pond - he's just one of many talented children.

As you rightfully pointed out, it would have made much more narrative sense for IZUKU to be the ripped one, to be the talented and intelligent one. He would have felt like he would have had to prove he wasn't useless growing up, so it would have made more sense for Izuku to have dozens of hidden (and developed - where did Izuku's quirk analysis go?!) talents.

Then, for Izuku to feel jarred by the amount of praise and appreciation he is getting now, he isn't "useless quirkless Deku" that he felt like he was at Aldera. Then for Izuku to flourish and grow as a result.

[musicfeedsmysoul12]

You know what's really funny to me? The trope of Bakugou in canon being super talented at everything that he does. In canon it's supposed to be for laughs when he's good at random shit, but I don't understand how it's supposed to be funny when the funnier route would have been that this guy has dedicated himself to nothing else but being extremely good at fighting with his quirk and to be a hero that he's actually super ass at everything else. But I guess having a complex version of Bakugou where he learns that there's more to life than heroics and maybe is way less of a demon isn't something that would have been interesting. ALSO ALSO, genuinely I'm confused as to why people think Bakugou is super smart. Like I get that he was excelling at school and was taking mock UA tests and shit, blah blah blah, but:

A) I can totally see his marks getting doctered by Aldera

B) Passing the UA exam doesn't tell me shit about his intelligence, since people who are "dumber" (Kaminari and Ashido) than him also passed the same exam. Without even knowing the proper format of the test (keeping in mind it's also a standardized test) there's no real way to gauge how "intelligent" someone has to be to do well. Also there's a bunch of General-Ed students who passed that test so again, doesn't tell me much.

C) For all the praise that he receives, there's nothing really like "intelligent" or complex about the plans that Bakugou comes up with when people suck him off for being such a good tactician. He fully somehow thought he could overwhelm fucking ALL-MIGHT with his explosions alone, if he's such a good tactician why would he all of a sudden fuck this up? Also, his "counter" to Uraraka's plan was just do bigger explosions, so again, nothing to do with his actual intellect, it's just his quirk. Which brings me to,

D) Bakugou fully should have been taken out by Uraraka's plan. I get that she was tanking hits and he wasn't, but he suffers no backlash at all from unleashing his quirk all day, and is even able to fire off massive explosions no problem. I don't care what bullshit excuse Horikoshi or the fandom comes up with, unless Bakugou has a second quirk that makes him indestructible or lets him cancel out forces, those massive explosions would have shattered his arms and legs from the recoil. But nooooooo, Todoroki suffers from acute frosbite and Midoriya shatters himself when he uses OfA. But Bakugou? Ah well, sometimes we'll remember that he's running out of sweat or his wrists will hurt a little or sumthin.

E) Why is Bakugou (and I guess Kirishima by extension as well) more ripped and buff then Midoriya when canonically somehow managed to balance a fucking small pick up truck on the last pile of garbage that he stood on when he cleared the beach. Midoriya should be jacked and stacked like Jotaro fucking Kujo in part 3 and be an immovable object, yet some how Bakugou is shown to be physically stronger than him??? Midoriya should be casually lifting couches with the entire class sitting on it so he can vaccum underneath.

PS. I think it would've been exponentially better to have IZUKU be the one who is good and talented at random shit. Like the kid who didn't have the one thing that is required of all heroes (a quirk) and tries to overcompensate for his "uselessness" by being insanely talented and skilled at tons of different hobbies would have been an awesome angle, he's genius enough to pull it off. Not only would it give us more insight on his life before All Might, but it would also make Bakugou less of a Mary Sue (seriously, the narrative bends over backwards for him) and Izuku less of an untalented loser (again, the narrative loves shitting on him, sweet Jesus). Having Bakugou be terrible at everything besides heroics and Izuku being good at everything "besides heroics" might've made for an interesting character parallel that Hori insists on shoving down our throats for 400 chapters straight 😒

Honestly I think Bakugou is competitive enough he does excel in multiple areas. But it's cause he worked at it, and has no natural talent with them. And he doesn't talk about what he's bad at.

Like- I headcanon he sucks at sewing and doesn't talk about it. At all.

I also headcanon while he's a good cook, none of his food is safe for ANYONE but himself to eat thanks to his Quirk.

As for the rest: Bakugou is shown to take studying seriously, and I think he is a good test taker. I just also think that he's probably not as far ahead as others. Someone sent an ask pointing out how high end UA is, so Kaminari and Ashido are probably much smarter then we think they are, they just don't show it. Like- Kaminari has shown he's good with literature and I always picture him as good with languages. (He's also a nerd who thinks he should read things in their original language) Ashido I see as being really into stuff like sociology and social studies due to her introverted nature.

Just because they're the lowest in class doesn't mean they're complete idiots. Someone has to be bottom of the class.

For Bakugou- as I said I picture him as a good test taker. Some people completely flub tests but rock other forms of learning, but the opposite is true and that's how I picture Bakugou. He doesn't talk about how his essays aren't as good as some of the rest of the class, or does he brag about his other classwork. But tests? He rocks them.

I do like the idea of Izuku as being much better then Bakugou in multiple things, he just doesn't talk about it cause Bakugou would pitch a fit and/or society enforced that he's worthless.

I firmly think the sports festival was a dumbass plotline with Bakugou and Uraraka should have won, I agree. I think it would have been very humbling, and would have actually been a good start of a redemption arc for Bakugou. But then, I think he should have also been in the bottom five of the class because UA has different standards vs other schools.

Bakugou is such wasted potential as a character who introduces how society sets kids like him up to fail, but it's ruined. 'He is a top hero' oh come on, he should have been ranked lower and be completely fine with it because he realizes ranks are bullshit and being a hero means saving people.

Or he should have been tossed out of school because of his actions but it's a shonen manga, gotta cut some slack. It's just... so much potential. Wasted.

As for the buff stuff: some people just don't put on muscle well. I'm pretty damn strong for someone in my shape, but I don't have the genes for a muscle body. None of my family does, despite most of us being pretty damn strong. Izuku, we've seen, is pretty damn buff under his clothing. He just doesn't have the right genes to be like Bakugou or Kirishima.

It happens.

[anti-katsuki-lounge]

You know what's really funny to me? The trope of Bakugou in canon being super talented at everything that he does. In canon it's supposed to be for laughs when he's good at random shit, but I don't understand how it's supposed to be funny when the funnier route would have been that this guy has dedicated himself to nothing else but being extremely good at fighting with his quirk and to be a hero that he's actually super ass at everything else. But I guess having a complex version of Bakugou where he learns that there's more to life than heroics and maybe is way less of a demon isn't something that would have been interesting. ALSO ALSO, genuinely I'm confused as to why people think Bakugou is super smart. Like I get that he was excelling at school and was taking mock UA tests and shit, blah blah blah, but: A) I can totally see his marks getting doctered by Aldera B) Passing the UA exam doesn't tell me shit about his intelligence, since people who are "dumber" than him also passed the same exam. Without even knowing the proper format of the test (keeping in mind it's also a standardized test) there's no real way to gauge how "intelligent" someone has to be to do well. Also there's a bunch of General-Ed students who passed that test so again, doesn't tell me much. C) For all the praise that he receives, there's nothing really like "intelligent" or complex about the plans that Bakugou comes up with when people suck him off for being such a good tactician. He fully somehow thought he could overwhelm fucking ALL-MIGHT with his explosions alone, if he's such a good tactician why would he all of a sudden fuck this up? Also, his "counter" to Uraraka's plan was just do bigger explosions, so again, nothing to do with his actual intellect, it's just his quirk. Which brings me to, D) Bakugou fully should have been taken out by Uraraka's plan. I get that she was tanking hits and he wasn't, but he suffers no backlash at all from unleashing his quirk all day, and is even able to fire off massive explosions no problem. I don't care what bullshit excuse Horikoshi or the fandom comes up with, unless Bakugou has a second quirk that makes him indestructible or lets him cancel out forces, those massive explosions would have shattered his arms and legs from the recoil. But nooooooo, Todoroki suffers from acute frosbite and Midoriya shatters himself when he uses OfA. But Bakugou? Ah well, sometimes we'll remember that he's running out of sweat or his wrists will hurt a little or sumthin.

PS. Why is Bakugou (and I guess Kirishima by extension as well) more ripped and buff then Midoriya when canonically somehow managed to balance a fucking small pick up truck on the last pile of garbage that he stood on when he cleared the beach. Midoriya should be jacked and stacked like Jotaro fucking Kujo in part 3 and be an immovable object, yet some how Bakugou is shown to be physically stronger than him??? Midoriya should be casually lifting couches with the entire class sitting on it so he can vaccum underneath.

Honestly, agree with all of this. Katsuki being talented in nearly everything I feel was just a result of Hori rubbing his BakuBoner and trying to push the "genius prodigy" angle but it makes him into such a Gary Stu.

As for why Katsuki and Ejiro are more ripped, I'm just going to chalk that up to Hori wanting him to look "plain".

[barid-bel-medar]

tropes- how do you feel about Trope soup, where a fic has multiple tropes that combine a lot of different stuff into either making a good or bad story?

Like for example, a dead Inko would lead for Izuku to temporarily angst then recover from it with the support of his friends and teachers, forcing the latter to step in and be a responsible authority instead of doing nothing. Conversely, a dead Inko with Izuku experiencing OOC moments, OOCness and bashing from characters who don’t deserve it, unjustified Dadzawa, the Bakusquad are better friends than the Dekusquad etc.

I feel like the moment you start writing to many what ifs, you lose sight of the original idea of what mha is and the scope of the story you’re writing. Your stories are based off of one change of a nail and how it results in butterfly effects that justify stuff like Bakugo receives Consequences(usually this isn’t used enough in general), but you keep the original idea of who these characters are and what they represent. Stories like Suspected Traitor Izuku lose sight of the original idea just for the wangst and add in so much tropes in the form of bashing the characters that Izuku gets along with.

Part of the issue with trope soup in general is writers missing the difference between tropes and themes. You overdose on tropes and it can drag down a work since it's just flat out doing too much. Say if you do do dead Inko! Actually look very in depth on how this would effect Izuku. Don't use it as a lazy means of having someone adopt him. Hell, even if the focus is to be on adoption, look at the why the person decided to do so, how Izuku is handling both that and Inko's death, and how things would ripple from there.

Yes I use specific tropes. Yes I literally have multiple TV Tropes pages. However, after the Nail I generally also am trying to look at themes and the ripple effects. A lot of the Sticks and Stones verse in reality is why, you well, have to think before you speak. Why you *can't* be careless (there's a reason part of the summary of WMH is 'loose lips sink ships and carelessness will drown you') or assume just because you think something, doesn't mean people will agree with you (Tensei, Bakugou, Aizawa). Sticks and Stones is going to look at the value of PR in heroics, and also the idea of breaking and making new legacies. And well, actions have consequences. I think Hori really does drop the ball there in canon. Why if you do all of this, how it'll ripple. Characters may get involved sooner. Groups may get involved sooner (like here with the HPSC; they're arguably the best group to actually look at UA's issues as a school which are very much there).

I will be blunt. Certain major arcs? Gonna be very different as a result of the events of TBYS. We may still see 'In Spite of a Nail' situations (like Shigaraki basically clocking in on Bakugou like he does in canon, but in this case for a much more logical reason), but not as much as you may think.

I really fucking hate it when you do a For Want of a Nail and then closely follow stations of canon. Don't do that. A lot of times it doesn't even make sense. It's honestly just lazy writing. Do I get why authors do it? Yes. Do I think they necessarily should? No.

In Words May Hurt I did still have the LOV attempt to attack at USJ. However the actually USJ incident doesn't happen because as a result of the events of TBYS the class is canceled. Shigaraki does still have an interest in Bakugou, as I've noted, but he doesn't actually know which student he is right now. He just knows one of the heroics students used basically lethal force and views that as a good potential recruit. As is very clear, Stain is still going to attack Tensei, however his *reasoning* is very different (and tbh avoids being whatever weird troll logic he used in canon).

I will confess certain stages of canon aren't avoidable. The Sports Festival literally has to happen, it's part of the scheduled school year events. USJ can be skipped however since class cancellations happen for various reasons including a sick teacher. Training camp can be canceled if UA decides the potential risk is too high. I'd argue Kamino or an equivalent can't be avoided (All Might does need to go out in some form of blaze of glory/we do need AFO out of the way for a while for LOV progression). You don't however need to have the same reason for Kamino to happen.

So. Um. Yeah not terribly fond of trope soup since a lot of time it's more authors wanting to shove as many tropes as they can in a fic and not necessarily thinking it through, or realizing there's a difference between trope and theme.

[mikeellee]

So I don’t usually talk about the king aka Shigaraki in my rants...so I want to reticify that.

Before I move on...just to be clear. I do love Shiggy. This is not me being a hater and if you have a different opinion about Shiggy...ok. That’s valid.

My main grip about Shiggy... is how he has no real end goal. I know people here on tumblr have analyses, essays and whatnot about how Shiggy must be the Messiah that will get rid of bad heroes or capitalism or anything like that.

I like this idea. I would read a fic like that.

The problem is when people really think in Hori’s canon...Shiggy is indeed a messiah who will set all the fair people free from the unjust system.

Like, dont we all live in a shit society? I can’t speak for all but in my country we rather revult about Superman’s son kissing a man than...a genocide president who mock the victims of covid.

And yeah in moments like this....is nice going to escapism. People facing na evil ruler/regime and bringing real changes for the kingdom and everyone is happy.

I get it. I like those stories.

But on Shiggy’s part. On Hori’s canon part...we dont know what HE wants.

Duh he wants destruction. One may say.

Ok...he wants to destroy the heroes....ok then I ask

Does he want a literal destruction? Are we rooting for a villain who wants to commit genocide?

(In the war arc he did many bad thinga and yes we can say “AFO controlled him” sure but he still had some control over his action to a certain point and he shows no remorse)

Does he wants a metaphorical destruction?

Does he plans in making something anew?

What Shiggy wants? ( aside a fine 🥦)

We dont know...we will never know as AFO is treating Shiggy as his flesh puppet for reasons unknown for us.

I know there are many posts saying “shiggy will end the corruption” and I have to say...NO HE WONT. Not on Hori’s canon.

Shiggy’s motivation/goals arent totally his. His father hated heroes. AFO increased that to 11.

Shiggy is not speaking about the flaws of the hero society to everyone but more about how the society failed him. How no one saved him.

(He wanted to be saved by Zuzu but...headed by Hori...look if Hori had made them inferact and had a relationship that would have been amazing but, again, headed by Hori 🙄)

Shiggy speaks about his pain and trauma and I notice how the victims in the story need to be shut and accept their abuser ( case point, look at how hori treats Izu)

Shiggy is vilanize and abused by the narrative for daring to want revenge on his pain.

And again, headed by hori, its a bit hard to forgetten Shiggy’s action and LoV’s (Says the person who likes the idea of them winning with Zuzu)

This make me think of MCU Loki...and how he killed many people in the first avanger’s movie.

Sure. He killed of screen and all are faceless and nameless but here the thing...if we are to accept Loki was brainwashed by Thanos...even so, he indirectly killed those people....does he feel remorse?

Bc LoV and Shiggy show no remorse. Asad backstory is not free card for a character to do whatever.

Also for the togaocha out there....in hori’s canon THIS IS HORSE SHIT. Look ship what you want, I BET YOU CAN BE BETTER THAN HORI HERE.

But Toga trying to kill Ochako, mentioned how she used her quirk to kill and then is surprised that Ochako is grossed out by her....IS NOT TRACING A ANTAGONIST RELATIONSHIP

That is Hori being stupid.

And again. If shiggy -zuzu and Toga – Ochako are to the “same coin, different sides” god he failed that a lot.

I cant ship them.

And I’m not expecting a good ending for this manga.

Headed by hori ...is forebonding now

[theloganator101]

Thinking about the whole "zuzu is quirkless and poor him" and how some angst ficwriters make the quirkless have to deal with:

*death squad after him

*human traffic

*s**** in mass

And shit like that, but in canon ONLY ZUZU get mistreatment, not like I mentioned. Only Zuzu had to endure a bk and feel worthless.

Melissa is quirkless and she is not worhtless.

"Ah bc she is rich"

"Ah bc she is from a famous dad"

She is UA and even if she is rich adn from a famous dad IF quirkless were hated to such point ...she would harassed too.

Nope, she is fine.

Only Zuzu suffers.

Hori fuck you!

Annnnd this is the main problem I have with the world-building.

We don't ever get to see how other quirkless people are treated compared to Izuku except for the one exception.

To where it does feel like Hori has something against Izuku since he can’t seem to have anything nice.

Friends? Sided with his bully to force him back and doesn’t try to get the full story when he was under house arrest.

Doing hero work? Gets scolded for it when he prevented the school festival from getting cancelled.

A teacher that actually gives a shit about him? Nah HE’S the one being called the problem child because... how dare he doesn’t have his quirk under control after having it for almost a few days?

It just feels like misery for the sake of misery and begging for our sympathy.

Izuku deserves much better...

[ofmermaidstories]

Not me crying in the club over your tags. Honestly I too am so grateful for the fact that we’re both sharing this pocket of the universe and vibing together over fiction and drama. It’s great, and you’re an absolute gem of a being that I’m blessed to know even if it’s in this small way 💖💖💖

But Mer—Mer, you can’t keep drawing cute lil pics of the grape, it’s Confusing and Upsetting and I Don’t Wike It. ((lol, jk, all of your doodles are lovely~✨️))

Mmm, thanks for the good meta food (and also entertaining my ramblings/foolishness lol).

You raise some excellent points, esp. about the fallout of the 1-A boys and Aizawa ignoring Mineta’s behavior, like… Given their characterization it never made sense to me, so I always just kinda waved it away as bad writing, yanno? (I mean Hori’s made several, ahem, questionable decisions concerning his female characters and the way they’re portrayed/treated so that seemed plausible enough). Mineta’s there to be a little perv/comic relief (v. derogatory) which is why he is able to get away with so much. Were things more realistic he’d definitely have been booted from the school for harassment probably on the first day, if he even made it through the entrance exams.

But honestly I admire you for undertaking the Herculean task of making this tiny disaster boy palpable. Most would just write him off completely, but your deciding to give him the same grace as a more beloved character gives me the warm ‘n’ fuzzies, ngl lol.

((Also the thought of Deku leaving him on a skyscraper somewhere has me weak, send help—for me, not the grape lol))

((Also, also—what if Mineta does a reverse Gran Torino?? Like he gets taller/hotter as he gets older, a straight up Brad Pitt al la Benjamin Button glow up. Fuckin’… I hate that I had that thought, I’m cancelling myself lmfao.))

I genuinely struggled with the question of whether or not it was possible for Mineta to do a reverse Gran Torino LMAOOO. and honestly i decided that…………… he would 👀 PLEASE DONT SHUN ME GUYS 😭

kinda wanna write a snarky, leery mineta getting the shit kicked out of him in a battle and ending up at Reader’s, now………. 👀 im not gonna. IM NOT. but like……… the thought is there. 👀

I adore Horikoshi’s work, but like… yeah, he’s proven he can’t be trusted with his female characters LMAO. i’m gonna be honest though, i’ve been enjoying seeing how much Mineta cares for Deku, in the latest chapters??? I know the fandom had a meltdown over “bi-mineta”, but like…. idk, i thought that added another layer to Mineta beyond the poor comedic “relief” of him being a little shit, and i really appreciate that! at the same time, i can’t help but think — men only respect other men. LOL. and the way Mineta is currently written in canon sort of just… enforces that??? i mean, that’s not a version of Mineta i want to write (so i’m not gonna LOL) but it’s definitely in the back of my mind. if i thought i could get away with it, without losing people to the distaste, i’d like…. try to write him from that angle LMAOOO dsflkjsdklfjsdklfj because!!! BECAUSE,,, i find it interesting. I do. i also don’t think we need people to be perfect or good in fiction; i think we need them to be people, good and bad. and i happen to enjoy this kinda thing butttttttt…. i guess i’ll stay away from it, LOL, in my little silly superhero romance :’)))) besides, i do like the idea of a Mineta proving that he’s worthy of his friends. He’s capable of being worthy of them!!! probably. maybe??? yes. yes he is, because i say he is.

thank-you for entertaining my gibberish, Puck. 😭

[tokusashi]

V!Deku is actually a great idea

So... I’m rarely here, I really don’t enjoy the comment or post war on tumblr, especially since bnha fandom is ALWAYS pissed (like, you know, some people are literally furious with every damn chapter, I don’t even know why they’re reading this manga if they hate it so much?), but I have to say, the newest chapter made ya'll crazy.

Which, don’t get me wrong, is uderstandable- our sun that shines is on the run, and he doesn’t look sunny or shiny at all. We hoped for something lighter for once, and we wanted to see him smile.

But considering what have happened LATELY in the manga, I don’t think it would be possible. It would be totally unnatural, If you ask me.

But now, I think that Deku’s decision is not a bad one, when you think about the situation he’s in right now.

The society now is watching heroes and those who want to be heroes more closely than ever. Their (heroes) field is limited right now, their actions are closely watched as well. So do you think that they would allow teenagers, heroes in training to actually jump into action like that once more, or unsupervised?

Edeavor, Hawks and Best Jeanist decided to protect Izuku and knowledge about about One for All, and if Izuku would stay, while manifesting newer quirks in a short period of time, people would add 2+2, he had to do something, and he had to do it fast.

That’s why Deku is not safe in UA at all right now, not only because All for One, but also because of society.

And now some wild thoughts:

1) I don’t believe, that he left without a word from All Might- I think he might know what Izuku’s doing, or he sent him there where he’s now (if it’s America it is even more likely), hell maybe Aizawa knows too, and to be honest, do you think that Inko wouldn't kill All Might without 0 knowledge about her babys well-being? Since, you know, she asked him (AM) to take care of Izuku?

2) I believe that Katsuki and Shoto went after Deku. Because, you know, not only we haven’t seen them in the chapter, there will be whole movie about the three musketeers, which are Izuku, Katsuki and Shoto, so for now I believe they’ll be on a run together- which makes me think that maybe Endeavor might know about the situation as well (since you know, Shoto is now in this whole plan about Touya, I don’t believe that family would have no knowledge about where he[Shoto] is in the first place).

3) I think it’s actually interesting, and I don’t feel like it’s rushed or anything like that- it’s only something we didn’t expected at all, and as we are used to predicting what will happen next, we’re now in huge “wtf”. 

4) And I want to say it loud, I’m not an anti-shipper at all. But I’ve seen that many people lately had this... Idk how to name it, this huge urge to make some ships canon and they expected some things out of fanfiction, since Hori-sensei have feeded us with some top tier bakudeku things, and that made people want this manga to take a bigger focus on the pair or some other pairs. But it’s not what bnha is about. Sure, relationships here are hella important, and if somehow they’ve chained Bakugo into the bed and didn’t let him go after Izuku, then I believe that our pomeranian will literaly explode out of anger, but focusing on One for All is more important at this moment. And I never said it’s impossible to work on relationships while doing this (as I’ve said above, I still believe that our trio is together right now) but... Let just Hori draw a few more chapters, ok? It’s kinda tiresome how some of you want to cancel this manga because something went differently than you wanted.

5) I strongly believe there will be BNHA 2 (without, you know, academia in the title), because it’s impossible to do everything in one volume or one chapter right now. And it’s not something that don’t happen in the manga. For example Psycho-Pass is divided into series under other titles, but it is a one whole story.

And the last one:

If you really hate this title, If you really don’t enjoy reading this manga, then why are you doing that? It’s not healthy for you. And I’m not asking those who just don’t like this chapter or only a few, but there are people who actually hate everry chapter since a year, and still are posting about it. It’s now like I’m order you to leave, I don’t have power like that I don’t want to have it, I’m just saying that there are houndreds of other mangas to read, and I believe that you can find one that you will love.

I wish you all a good day~

[grizztheexplorer]

Now that Horimiya is more mainstream people wanna reach to call shit problematic??? Ajdjdjdj and in doing that they slut shame Hori????

The comedy issue with Hori no wanting Miyamura to have a boyfriend is a reflection of the author and the culture there. THATS problematic. They write it as a joke through her character. THATS problematic. Hori as a character herself, apart from those “jokes” doesn’t actually have a problem with the queer canon characters. She loves Sawada and doesn’t dislike Watami (was that his name?? I forget) and she doesn’t dislike Shindo either. Every time the subject of her being jealous its as a punchline for a joke, and it even honestly feels out of character. Its a direct reflection on the writer not being as progressive. Is alright if people dislike horimiya bc of that, but pretending to be woke by being upset at that and then calling the female character a whore is like.... how do i say this.... not as woke as the internet makes it look like.

Im just annoyed bc i have loved these characters for years now and now that the characters are becoming mainstream, as it always is the case with the internet, people are being nitpicky and finding things to cancel it. This anime is not a romance, nor an inspiring story. Is literally a comedy and all the characters do dumb things and then grow from it.

And i wanna add as much as some people find things to be upset over, Hori and Miyamura have better communication than 90% of romance couples in anime💀

[kkoccult]

i think it’s so funny that anons are coming at me saying that i should die because i hate kirishima and that mina should be dead in the next chapter or how kirishima should be the main protagonist instead of deku. people talk about how much they hate deku all the damn time but it’s the end of the world when i talk about how much i hate kirishima & how much this fandom has turned him into this fanon nonsense (tbh how they turned this entire series into fanon nonsense) like the fandom is so far up their asses with fanon bullshit that when you tell them something is canon in the actual series, they’ll send you death threats & then send threats to horikoshi. y’all realize that your actions will have consequences right? keep making a mockery of this fandom & horikoshi will probably be like “i’m fucking done.” and never finish the series.

the fandom on here, twitter and tiktok is fucking disgusting. writing petitions to have kiribaku as canon, trying to cancel hori for having mineta existing (all act like mineta with the bnha boys btw especially the minors), don’t get me started with yagami yato. y’all need to grow the fuck up, this is horikoshi’s story not yours. quit trying to shove your fanon shit in his face, quit trying to shove ships into his face, and for the sake of the fucking gods, don’t send death threats to people. they are illegal and you can go to jail for that.

[bbq-hawks-wings]

After the DabiHawks shippers took on the “he’d hate Endeavor if he found out his past then ttly became a villain!” I’ve had this rage about the subject lol. Endeavor is not Enji. That’s been stated by even Natsuo and a lot by Shouto. Hawks is a fan of Endeavor the hero and he’s shown to be great at compartmentalizing so I don’t think it’d matter much to him. (Like how Deku was.) Especially since Endeavor became self aware and is changing. Really what we need is more background. HORI! 😡

"That last ask reminded me how much I dislike fanfics' portrayal of Hawks' reaction to Endeavor's past, lol. I guess that's more to do w/ people hating Endeavor but they forget that these two have a good relationship that goes beyond hero worship by now. Endeavor cares for Hawks and Hawks got to see his change, to support and trust him. That's why the reveal will be extra painful and Hawks' reaction cannot be predicted, it's very complicated." -Another Anon (We'll call you A2)

All this interaction and just from something I plunked down in my blog without major tags? I really do have a significant amount of people who read my stuff, thanks everyone!

Tw: Abuse of various kinds

Before responding I'd like to take a step back and frame this is real-world terms for a second: abuse is rampant in our local communities even if you may not realize it. Both my parents came from backgrounds with abusive parents/step-parents - some of which was on par with what the Todoroki's went through. That scratches the tip of the iceberg of people I personally know who have suffered some sort of domestic abuse, including myself, let alone the people I know of who have experienced it.

We really need to be sensitive to the fact that some respond to Enji the way they do because they don't see a fictional character with a story and message to tell in the larger scheme of the series - they see their own abuser, that person who on whatever level ground them down and made them feel like something less than human for however long and may even still be doing so. Have compassion for these folks. Not every Enji-anti is a cancel culture party planning purist ambassador.

Hawks is a comfort character for a lot of people, and many have used his ambiguous/mysterious personality as a blank canvas to project their woes onto and triumph over them vicariously through him. I've even done so. When his canon past came to light, a lot of them doubled-down on it, believing their victory was near. For those with open wounds, vehemently rejecting that abuser is a common cathartic release dream - especially if they've only recently come to terms with the fact that they aren't the ones at fault for what they went/are going through. Anger is a normal reaction.

For many of these people, the idea that someone who had it in them to do THAT to a human being could EVER, ACTUALLY want to change and CAN change is, frankly, actual insanity.

On the other side of the coin are people who believe that while those individuals need to have consequences of some kind for what they've done, they are allowed to make strides to improve who they are moving forward. They can never erase the evil they've inflicted on others, and it's up to their victims to decide if they forgive them individually; but never letting a genuinely remorseful person try to be better one day at a time leaves the world at least as ugly as we left it.

You had a good word for it, A2 - it's complicated.

Part of forfeiting your right to forgiveness as a former abuser includes not only giving up your right to be forgiven by your victims but by anyone you lied to as you commited and hid the abuse.

To A1's point, Enji and Endeavor until recently have not been the same person. He's Enji Todoroki first, and he lied to everyone to maintain his image as Endeavor the hero. In fact, he sacrificed the integrity of Enji to exist as Endeavor, so Endeavor the hero is not free of the crimes of Enji Todoroki.

For someone like Hawks who may have looked up to Endeavor, after coming to the conclusion that Papa Takami was a garbage human being, and thought "That's what a good man looks like! He would be a good dad to me if I was his kid," he would be justified in not forgiving Endeavor/Enji for implicitly lying to him for years, enforcing a false version of reality that lead to him selling his freedom as a child and not fighting back harder when he was older because to Hawks they are the same person - if you're this good to the public, you're this good in private. If Endeavor did all this, lied to Keigo and the public, with the HPSC's blessing, Hawks has the right to spit pure venom because in his mind you can't separate the hero from the person. Recognize that there isn't anything of Keigo Takami that isn't Hawks, and Hawks exists at the cost of Keigo Takami. If Hawks goes down, so does Keigo.

"If it means getting my hands dirty to put the minds of others at ease, I'll gladly take on this task."

The series is trying to tell us that, too. Have you noticed that none of the "big three" have real hero names atm? They're Shouto, Bakugo, and Deku. Even Izuku's choice to be called Deku is symbolic in this sense. Deku isn't a hero-proper, he's just Deku doing what Deku does because that's who Deku is. Call him by any other name, that's who he is at his core, it's who he was before he ever got a quirk, and it would be that way if he was recognized as a proper hero or not.

The HPSC has tried to strip Hawks of Keigo Takami unsuccessfully because they can't - if anything, by choking out Keigo Takami's ability to exist outside of Hawks they've reinforced a sense of personal identity and responsibility over his own actions that they can't undo. All Might only exists because Yagi Toshinori wanted to create a paragon, and in feeding All Might's existence Yagi Toshinori withered away. And on the same note, when Jin Bubaigawara reached the end of his rope and had nowhere to go and no one left to turn to, he became Twice and found a place that wanted him.

Now, Jin felt like his own most ideal version of himself as Twice, and even despite his laundry list of crimes up to and including murder Hawks still felt he was worthy of redemption - even just the chance for it. Will Endeavor, whose list of crimes also stack up in similar fashion also be worthy? Does it matter what you call yourself or what you've done that matters, or does it come down to what you want to do and who you want to be that counts?

It's hard to tell. It's complicated. We'll just have to wait and see.

[anti-katsuki-lounge]

idk if you've already gotten this question, but what's your opinion on nezu? imo, he's got GREAT potential that is completely WASTED. i mean, come on- we're told in canon that he is literally not human, that he was literally created through quirk-animal experimentation, and that the only reason he's alive today is bc he escaped from the lab where he was being experimented on and forced a corrupt society to not only acknowledge him as alive but intelligent, to the point that he got a hero license and (presumably) citizenship and a fucking job as president of one of the most prestigious institutes in the country??? that's such an amazing concept, and MHA does NOTHING with it!! this character with a background that is literally perfect for a delicious hurt/comfort rags to riches storyline is relegated to 'eccentric principal' and nothing more?? i really thought he was gonna be more involved in midoriya's education when he was first introduced, bc theyre both shown to be smart and good at planning (do not even get me started on how midoriya basically stopped fighting intelligently after the sports festival, or how nezu keeps getting pushed aside so the audience doesnt go 'hey, why dont they just ask that genius rat they have in their back pocket for help?' whenever theres a problem....) and i thought that while midoriya was shown doing a lot of physical training, surely theyd want to show him doing some mental training too bc his smarts were made out to be a big part of his character, right?

anyways, sorry for the rant, back to the original question- thoughts on nezu? does anyone care about this as much as i do?? lol

I think I made a post on him before but to summarize: the foundation of his character is extremely solid and it would’ve been interesting to expand on it, but due to Hori’s writing, he displays the most amount of selective intelligence I’ve seen in MHA. Someone of his caliber should, for instance, know how dumb the entrance exams and Sports Festivals are design wise and should’ve canceled the USJ after realizing the schedules were stolen. Nezu as a character is someone who should’ve gotten more exploration, but has kinda been shoved to the sideline despite being the third most intelligent character in the series (behind AFO and Garaki)

[chillinathomehuh]

i already KNEW (bc c'mon is hori) that dabi's backstory wouldn't happen this chapter (not, like, 10% of it) but daaammmnn hori really have the NERVE to make us wait a bit more, huh?

also !!! dabi mentions the ice guy like a "man" so fuyumi and rei's theory is canceled (ice guys natsuo intensifies?????) poor shouto, two of his bros is a villain (if-the-ice-guy'is-natsuo-is-canon) but !! his reasons for becoming a villain is???bc of endeavor too??bc of dabi??? or?????? he pretty much declares that he was off of college like natsuo (more 1 point theory) and knows that dabi have a limit to use his powers???that he was almost perfect???? damn i live for this family drama sm i'll go insane waiting for real

[mikeellee]

You know I'm.seeing too much hate against Zuzu bc he wants to save Shiggy- he saw a little boy crying and decided to help aparently in the minds of some is BAD- and what I can say? Hori refuses to make them interact. Hori IS A BAD WRITER.

But you know what? If people are under the delusion that Zuzu wants to save Shiggy for some nefarious reasons....like money (yep that is Zuzu...he does anything for money 🙃 note the sacarsm)

Then please, write your own fic where you make your oc. The sexiest,smartest and powerful person ever will save shiggy bc YOU have a deep connection with.

And then YOU and Shiggy will have sex and be the king and queen/consort or whatever pronoun or titled you want.

See?! That easy. No need to clown on Izuku to fulfil your fantasy.

[khattikeri]

Do you think KiriBaku has a chance of heppening? In terms of representation it’d be amazing. Also in terms of story and development it just makes sense. And with the movie it just seems like it’s set up as a romantic thing. But the target demographic for BNHA is still mainly straight men. And anime has a history of being very homophobic. I’ve seen way to many men drop the series after they found out just Tiger and Magne were Trans. And that Toga may be bi/pan. Even if Hori wanted to, could he?

Oh, boy. Long post ahead, because I’m gonna be talking a lot. 

Before I start, though, here’s a similar ask answered by @red-riot-kirishima-eijirou, and another detailed ask with statistics on LGBT in Japanese society over here answered by @unbreakable-red-riot and @aitaikimochi.

Short answer: Yes, I do think it’s possible, but probably in the final few chapters of the series when it’s 100% certain that BNHA can’t get the backlash needed from homophobic readers for Weekly Shounen Jump to axe it (logic: even if people complain, it’s stupid to cancel or condemn an insanely popular series that’s about to end in five or less chapters anyway). 

Everything you said in terms of story and development for their relationship is true. KiriBaku has a chance. If it does become canon, it certainly won’t be via a kiss or a wedding scene– most shounen don’t even show those between their main het pairings. But it could be subtle, like the two of them wearing rings, or living together, working together, blushing/smiling softly in a Knowing Way when they look at each other, etc. 

Long answer: All of the above, but with these things in mind.

The thing about LGBT in shounen manga is that it rarely happens, and most of the times it does happen, it’s not in a positive light. Even with BNHA’s LGBT characters, half of them are serial killers (Magne (trans) and Toga (bi/pan), as opposed to Tiger (trans) and Thirteen (nb), who are heroes.) 

Kirishima’s gay-coding is absolutely present, as seen in @blackdeku‘s amazing and detailed slideshow with pertinent evidence, but since he’s never said anything explicit about it on screen, people brush it off and assume he’s straight so they can ship him with girls (especially Ashido, which… irks me, to say the least).

The only shounen manga I’ve seen that has positive LGBT representation is  Hunter x Hunter– positive trans rep with Alluka. However… even Hunter x Hunter has it’s bad side when it comes to LGBT. You know Hisoka? He’s a p*dophilic serial killer who preys on young boys and once nonchalantly asked if he could r*pe one of the 12-year-old protagonists as a joke.

Yikes.

So clearly, the shounen genre is really not the best place for wholesome all-around LGBT rep, even amongst the best manga that truly does aim to provide good representation. Horikoshi has tried and managed to deliver on some (small) level, but as for a healthy relationship between two boys or two girls where neither are psychotic stalker-y murderous villains, I really don’t know. 

It feels like it’ll be years before Japanese society will be totally accepting of seeing healthy, non-subtexty LGBT relationships in mainstream media like WSJ manga. (That’s just me being negative, though.)

While I’ve done some research, I’m by no means an expert, so please correct me if anything re LGBT in Japan here is inaccurate. 

I won’t go too far into the past, but once Japan reshaped itself around the Meiji era using certain European countries as a model, it also adopted the homophobic aspects of European society (previously, it was much more lax.). Now, discussion and acceptance of LGBT people are slowly growing once more.

Progress has been made in several different areas over the past few years. School dress codes have been altered in some schools to help LGBT and genderqueer students. 

More LGBT content creators are able to write LGBT manga, such as My Lesbian Experience with Loneliness, My Brother’s Husband, and Shimanami Tasogare, the latter of which is written by Yuhki Kamatani, an agender asexual author who also wrote the shounen manga Nabari no Ou, which features a relationship between the (presumably LGBT) protagonist and an intersex main character.

More people are able to speak out and condemn homophobic behavior, as shown in this extremely insightful and in-depth article by ANN. 

Unfortunately, homophobia and heteronormativity are still things (for example,  (one of?) the Japanese words for “straight” is the English word “normal” written in katakana.).

Now, onto specifics: Weekly Shounen Jump. 

The manga they publish is… a lot of the time pretty sexist. There’s a lot of objectifying women in their series, and this reflects how sexist Japanese society is, too. (reminder of the recent Tokyo Medical University scandal, as well as workplace harassment/discrimination against women for “only working temporarily” because it is assumed they will ditch their jobs once they marry or get pregnant.)

We have Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san, a borderline-hentai that caused a serious controversy earlier into its run. (I skimmed a few chapters once to see if the sexualization in-series was as bad as the color spread that started the controversy– DO NOT read it. It’s basically s0ft//core p/0rn.) There’s Food Wars. Strawberry 100%. To-LOVE-Ru. 

More popular series like Naruto, Bleach, Black Clover, Fairy Tail, even critically acclaimed series like One Piece and Dragon Ball… they aren’t ecchi, but they do have fanservice and a lot of their female characters don’t get much chance to shine the same way male characters do. A lot of them fight, yeah, but a good majority of their purpose can range from having big boobs, acting motherly, and having crushes on/wanting to marry male characters, if not just blatantly existing to scream and have their sexy outfits ripped off in revealing ways.

This plus shounen manga’s generally negative portrayal of LGBT people (see the okama transgender stereotype, p*dophilic villains like Hisoka, and general disgust that most shounen characters show upon the suggestion of romantic same-sex attraction, played for comedy) basically instills aversity to LGBT relationships among readers, especially younger ones.

That being said: WSJ’s target demographic is young boys aged 8-14. These kids are at an impressionable age, and most of the series they read objectify women and vilify LGBT people. (BNHA is no exception to this, no matter how much I love the series.) Most of these boys are straight as well.

So you have young straight boys who are used to seeing women treated like objects both in manga and real life, and are used to seeing LGBT people as disgusting deviants in manga as well.

Taking everything I said into mind, it’s highly likely that if KiriBaku were to become canon now or in a future arc that isn’t the finale of the series, there WILL be controversy, especially because BNHA is a popular manga with an anime that airs on primetime evening television with millions of viewers each week.

Whether or not people would react positively is another thing, but in the absolute worst-case scenario (which is still pretty highly unlikely), it could eventually be run out of WSJ magazine and even get the anime changed if homophobic readers/viewers are persistent enough. Hence why it needs to wait. That’s why I think the only chance BNHA has to get in good LGBT rep with KiriBaku is to play it safe and have it at the end of the series. 

This took a more negative slant, and I’m sure there are things about Japanese society and its relation to the LGBT community that I may have misinterpreted or gotten flat-out wrong. But all of that aside…

There is a chance. It’s a slim one, but it does still exist. 

And if Horikoshi truly does care about LGBT people, he can do it.

[leinbow]

What are your thoughts on the current arc? I feel like it's been too slow as Mirio has done essentially nothing over the coarse of 6 months

Heya!!

Horikoshi has finally done what he wants to do, I feel like.

The first several story arcs were so fast-paced because he was afraid of his manga getting cancelled again, which already happened to him 2 times. So he’s pumping out all this arcs left and right which really helped in getting BNHA to what it is today. Although one of the most common complaints I’ve seen is the fact that BNHA is fast-paced, wouldn’t you believe it.

Anyway, now that his manga is stable, I feel like he’s now slowing down the story to suit his tastes. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if his editor/Jump also told him to slow it down for longevity, since BNHA is now one of their best sellers. You know, business stuff. But mainly because of doing his own pacing.

During interviews, Horikoshi’s regrets with BNHA is the fact he was unable to tell side-stories with all of the characters, or go into detail with the story. So he was making up for that through OVAs, light novels, drama CDs, volume extras etc. These are all canon, Horikoshi has written some of this stuff before anybody asks.

So now that he’s able to go into full detail with the manga itself, he’s doing it! The downside to it is it will feel slow to those who were used to reading the fast-paced storytelling. But honestly, if you compare BNHA’s pace for the current arc, it’s just the same for most shounen manga, if not even a little faster. It just feels slow because we’re comparing it to BNHA’s previous story arcs which are unbelievably fast-paced for a shounen manga.

Aside from that, I think the current arc is one of the big catalysts in the story that’s why Hori is building it up. While the Stain Arc has a huge impact on BNHA’s society/world, this arc will have a huge impact on Izuku specifically. At least, that’s what I believe and hope so!! LUL

Plus, maybe Horikoshi is aiming for a special “Chapter 150″ or something. It’s not unheard of him to celebrate a chapter milestone through storytelling. (He found it funny to celebrate reaching 3-digits chapter count with Chapter 100 by ending it with something mundane and stereotypical of a shounen manga, which is a girl tripping and falling on the MC)